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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 02, 2008, 09:12:08 PM
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If it's a "safe place", you can't have moderators posting people's personal information. The moderator of a "safe" forum should not be someone who threatens to release all the details of a program survivor's life and family, because they don't like them. Zenagent as a moderator of a forum that is designated safe, is comical.
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I don't think anyone's really worried about this.
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If it's a "safe place", you can't have moderators posting people's personal information. The moderator of a "safe" forum should not be someone who threatens to release all the details of a program survivor's life and family, because they don't like them. Zenagent as a moderator of a forum that is designated safe, is comical.
And you're an idiot. Only Zen's family details were posted, by you probably. Go back to CAFETY.
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If it's a "safe place", you can't have moderators posting people's personal information. The moderator of a "safe" forum should not be someone who threatens to release all the details of a program survivor's life and family, because they don't like them. Zenagent as a moderator of a forum that is designated safe, is comical.
Ban him altogether, since you seem to think you make all the decisions for everyone here. If you can't ban him, then go fuck yourself, that would be comical.
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If it's a "safe place", you can't have moderators posting people's personal information. The moderator of a "safe" forum should not be someone who threatens to release all the details of a program survivor's life and family, because they don't like them. Zenagent as a moderator of a forum that is designated safe, is comical.
It's perfectly safe to have him moderate the PV forum, unless you shill for PV. I think that's your main issue, isn't it.
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Zen is cool, go home and find a "Safe" place where you can post crap and slander someone else, since you are so worried about safety how about NOT HERE.
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Its a very good idea. I approve this message.
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Its a very good idea. I approve this message.
What happened to this guy? This guy has fallen off the Fornits map!
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Didn't psy rig it so mods couldn't see personal info anymore?
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No, but we try to only log in as admin for admin stuff, otherwise use the other usernames.
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Didn't psy rig it so mods couldn't see personal info anymore?
Mods can't see IP info or anything like that. It's been like that since we switched to SMF (@trolls: changed before Zen became a moderator)
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ZenAgent never said he got ccm information from the IP. He said that ccm posted her name on fornits a while back, and that he got her location and other information from myspace. He even told her in a mocking kind of way, "be careful what you post on the internet" and basically laughing at her fear that her info was posted and ZenAgent was threatening to send cops to her house and release a background check. I remember this all very clearly, the discussion went on for several days and pages.
Someone keeps saying that ZenAgent's family was outed, it appears that is true. But ccm didn't do the posting, someone else did. So how are you getting back at the person who posted your family's info by outing a survivor that had nothing to do with it? It doesn't make any sense, but ZenAgent and his wife have been calling ccm names for a while, and think she is teamed up with TheWho or some conspiracy theory like this. I don't think ZenAgent is dangerous in being a moderator, because go look at his forum nobody is posting there. It was more of a character breach, he has showed how he treats survivors who say the wrong thing according to him. ZenAgent is a predator, and most posters here know this by now.
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ZenAgent never said he got ccm information from the IP. He said that ccm posted her name on fornits a while back, and that he got her location and other information from myspace. He even told her in a mocking kind of way, "be careful what you post on the internet" and basically laughing at her fear that her info was posted and ZenAgent was threatening to send cops to her house and release a background check. I remember this all very clearly, the discussion went on for several days and pages.
Someone keeps saying that ZenAgent's family was outed, it appears that is true. But ccm didn't do the posting, someone else did. So how are you getting back at the person who posted your family's info by outing a survivor that had nothing to do with it? It doesn't make any sense, but ZenAgent and his wife have been calling ccm names for a while, and think she is teamed up with TheWho or some conspiracy theory like this. I don't think ZenAgent is dangerous in being a moderator, because go look at his forum nobody is posting there. It was more of a character breach, he has showed how he treats survivors who say the wrong thing according to him. ZenAgent is a predator, and most posters here know this by now.
Thank you for this enlightening post. Yes! Zen does have several hundreds of trolls working for him. He got dem working in SHIFTS!
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ZenAgent never said he got ccm information from the IP. He said that ccm posted her name on fornits a while back, and that he got her location and other information from myspace. He even told her in a mocking kind of way, "be careful what you post on the internet" and basically laughing at her fear that her info was posted and ZenAgent was threatening to send cops to her house and release a background check. I remember this all very clearly, the discussion went on for several days and pages.
Someone keeps saying that ZenAgent's family was outed, it appears that is true. But ccm didn't do the posting, someone else did. So how are you getting back at the person who posted your family's info by outing a survivor that had nothing to do with it? It doesn't make any sense, but ZenAgent and his wife have been calling ccm names for a while, and think she is teamed up with TheWho or some conspiracy theory like this. I don't think ZenAgent is dangerous in being a moderator, because go look at his forum nobody is posting there. It was more of a character breach, he has showed how he treats survivors who say the wrong thing according to him. ZenAgent is a predator, and most posters here know this by now.
mods could see lot's of info. Niles and Zen were always mocking ccm for what they saw in her PM/s. My feeling is zen got it personally, or from some other mod, from these pm/s or her registration.
He really wasn't mod until after mod powers were changed? I think he was mod before the point when the ware was changed.
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ZenAgent never said he got ccm information from the IP. He said that ccm posted her name on fornits a while back, and that he got her location and other information from myspace. He even told her in a mocking kind of way, "be careful what you post on the internet" and basically laughing at her fear that her info was posted and ZenAgent was threatening to send cops to her house and release a background check. I remember this all very clearly, the discussion went on for several days and pages.
Someone keeps saying that ZenAgent's family was outed, it appears that is true. But ccm didn't do the posting, someone else did. So how are you getting back at the person who posted your family's info by outing a survivor that had nothing to do with it? It doesn't make any sense, but ZenAgent and his wife have been calling ccm names for a while, and think she is teamed up with TheWho or some conspiracy theory like this. I don't think ZenAgent is dangerous in being a moderator, because go look at his forum nobody is posting there. It was more of a character breach, he has showed how he treats survivors who say the wrong thing according to him. ZenAgent is a predator, and most posters here know this by now.
Thank you for this enlightening post. Yes! Zen does have several hundreds of trolls working for him. He got dem working in SHIFTS!
You're reversing the burden of proof on Zen. It's not up to him to bring evidence against himself. As it stands, there is no evidence he did anything wrong (and i've looked into it). If you have proof (which nobody has ever been able to present) that:...
A: Zen posted accurate information about CCM
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B: Zen obtained this information through an his position as a moderator (impossible since Zen never had access to IP address info, even if he did it would still require a subpoena. PMs are inaccessable even to admins, and CCM's personal info was available to a google search (her fault))
... something might be done about it (such as removing his mod status).
otherwise
SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP
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Shut the fuck up? Not a very articulate response to several different people presenting identical eye witness testimony. I saw the post in which CCM was outed, and followed closely the discussion. Zen didn't deny posting it then, he offered up a lengthy explanation. It wasn't until recently he took the bill clinton route of indignant denial. Got to hand it to Zen, it worked... if you think about it. He could of admitted it, but then he would be labeled as someone who no one can trust.
He threatened a survivor, unprovoked, and also her family. Instead of admitting this, his denial now has split the forum between people who saw and remember the post, and people who didn't see it. The people who saw it know ZenAgent is a liar and someone who threatens survivors. He knows that if he denies it, blames it on "trolls", that some people will believe him. This is what he chose to do, which creates a stalemate.
The post where he actually posted their names, he later deleted he says. But the posts in which he explains why he deleted it, and the post where he threatens to get the police to go to her house, and post background checks on her, those posts are still there. He knows what he did. Now he has to worry about people who trust him from finding out. I wonder if he is lying to his wife about this? That's a good reason for not admitting the truth.
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Don't mean to butt in here, but there's another group.
I saw the posts too. Followed the whole thing.
and it doesn't matter.
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Shut the fuck up? Not a very articulate response to several different people presenting identical eye witness testimony. I saw the post in which CCM was outed, and followed closely the discussion. Zen didn't deny posting it then, he offered up a lengthy explanation. It wasn't until recently he took the bill clinton route of indignant denial. Got to hand it to Zen, it worked... if you think about it. He could of admitted it, but then he would be labeled as someone who no one can trust.
He threatened a survivor, unprovoked, and also her family. Instead of admitting this, his denial now has split the forum between people who saw and remember the post, and people who didn't see it. The people who saw it know ZenAgent is a liar and someone who threatens survivors. He knows that if he denies it, blames it on "trolls", that some people will believe him. This is what he chose to do, which creates a stalemate.
The post where he actually posted their names, he later deleted he says. But the posts in which he explains why he deleted it, and the post where he threatens to get the police to go to her house, and post background checks on her, those posts are still there. He knows what he did. Now he has to worry about people who trust him from finding out. I wonder if he is lying to his wife about this? That's a good reason for not admitting the truth.
I wonder if he is lying to his wife about this? That's a good reason for not admitting the truth.
You are amazing with your perception and your true understanding of a bon vivant like ZenAgent. He is probably lying to his wife about all this. Heavens! She would certainly be upset if she knew. I heard recently from someone in the know that every night at twilight ZA chloroforms his wife while he gets up to his tomfoolery with his rowdy band of trolls* on Fornits. She wakes up the next morning none the wiser
*some of them have missing or misshapen limbs and there is one untreated acromegalac
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ZenAgent never said he got ccm information from the IP. He said that ccm posted her name on fornits a while back, and that he got her location and other information from myspace. He even told her in a mocking kind of way, "be careful what you post on the internet" and basically laughing at her fear that her info was posted and ZenAgent was threatening to send cops to her house and release a background check. I remember this all very clearly, the discussion went on for several days and pages.
Someone keeps saying that ZenAgent's family was outed, it appears that is true. But ccm didn't do the posting, someone else did. So how are you getting back at the person who posted your family's info by outing a survivor that had nothing to do with it? It doesn't make any sense, but ZenAgent and his wife have been calling ccm names for a while, and think she is teamed up with TheWho or some conspiracy theory like this. I don't think ZenAgent is dangerous in being a moderator, because go look at his forum nobody is posting there. It was more of a character breach, he has showed how he treats survivors who say the wrong thing according to him. ZenAgent is a predator, and most posters here know this by now.
Thank you for this enlightening post. Yes! Zen does have several hundreds of trolls working for him. He got dem working in SHIFTS!
^^^This is his wife, Gretchen. Not the fairest flower in the valley, and she is aware but could care less. She's not a fan of Miranda, and before her personal info got out, loved participating in the harassment. She also accidentally admitted ccm's info was posted but says it can't compare to what was done to Siobhan because ccm's old. That was the justification before the denials started.
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ZenAgent never said he got ccm information from the IP. He said that ccm posted her name on fornits a while back, and that he got her location and other information from myspace. He even told her in a mocking kind of way, "be careful what you post on the internet" and basically laughing at her fear that her info was posted and ZenAgent was threatening to send cops to her house and release a background check. I remember this all very clearly, the discussion went on for several days and pages.
Someone keeps saying that ZenAgent's family was outed, it appears that is true. But ccm didn't do the posting, someone else did. So how are you getting back at the person who posted your family's info by outing a survivor that had nothing to do with it? It doesn't make any sense, but ZenAgent and his wife have been calling ccm names for a while, and think she is teamed up with TheWho or some conspiracy theory like this. I don't think ZenAgent is dangerous in being a moderator, because go look at his forum nobody is posting there. It was more of a character breach, he has showed how he treats survivors who say the wrong thing according to him. ZenAgent is a predator, and most posters here know this by now.
Thank you for this enlightening post. Yes! Zen does have several hundreds of trolls working for him. He got dem working in SHIFTS!
^^^This is his wife, Gretchen. Not the fairest flower in the valley, and she is aware but could care less. She's not a fan of Miranda, and before her personal info got out, loved participating in the harassment. She also accidentally admitted ccm's info was posted but says it can't compare to what was done to Siobhan because ccm's old. That was the justification before the denials started.
You are incorrect. Gretchen is the fairest flower in the valley.
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Post a picture of her. Oh wait...
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Don't post her picture, she’s so nasty her house is quarantined
399 east drive
Oak ridge tn 37830
865 481 3383
100 Broadway ave. apt 119 oak ridge tn 37830
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Don't post her picture, she’s so nasty her house is quarantined
399 east drive
Oak ridge tn 37830
865 481 3383
100 Broadway ave. apt 119 oak ridge tn 37830
is that really their address?
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No, but we try to only log in as admin for admin stuff, otherwise use the other usernames.
so what can mods see now?
p.m/s? registration info? What other messages you post?
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Don't post her picture, she’s so nasty her house is quarantined
399 east drive
Oak ridge tn 37830
865 481 3383
100 Broadway ave. apt 119 oak ridge tn 37830
is that really their address?
Zen's address:
6425 Owens Lane
Knoxville TN. 37820
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These attacks on Zen are all the confirmation I need that he is perfect for the role of moderator. He might not be perfect, but he is deadly earnest in stopping the abuses of PV. That is what counts to me. All the he said, she said, they said, we said, someone else said, the tooth fairy said, about CCM girl and what not merely indicates to me that someone is out to stop Zen from going after PV.
Keep pounding on them Zen. You are obviously getting their attention and now we know how they have responded. Giving out personal information is merely a cheap shot scare tactic. It has happened before on fornits and it will happen again.
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Desperate trolls, desperate measures. They actually do what they can only accuse Zen of.
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Sure. Go to his house. See what happens.
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They've posted this already. I wouldn't hesitate to blow the head off of any programmie who showed up at the house. I'd hang their bodies in the front yard.
Trolls, you've worn this out. You're recycling your attacks. I never posted anyone's address, but you've posted what you believe to be mine. Pathetic.
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First off I just want to say that I've never posted on here. I don't know anyone on here except for my stepfather. I did notice my address here. I don't know why it's on here, but I'm guessing a lot of you have some big beef with me. Since it's already there I thought I'd invite you all over for tea/coffee and you can say whatever it is that you have to say to me.
P.S. Bring goats for me to eat.
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Below is one of my posts that I took from the bury the rotting carcass thread. I know what happened too when all this shit went down, and I know what was said/posted. Is it irritating to me that Zen never took full responsibility? Yes. But, what can you do? Especially when Psy defends him, and continues to do so. Zen has falsely accused me of a good number of posts, that were not mine. Ones that were posted anon. I'm not sure why? I'm assuming because he knew he went too far in posting all my info. It was a shitty thing to do. I really would like to let it go, and I have for the most part. But, when it's brought up again....and I see the same denying, and lying bullshit that I saw before.....it kinda pisses me off! If you want this subject dropped....play fair, and don't comment.
I am so desperate to be noticed that in the last 6 months I have posted maybe a total of 10 times? I love the fact you have access to my PM's too, and are threatening to post them. The things is, I could give 2 shits less, so be my guest. I haven't used that feature in 4 months, and before that rarely. Just do me a favor, and don't alter all my PM's. Because we all now people were altering my posts. Doesn't give you a lot of credibility. BTW, you have some nerve comparing me to Sue Scheff. BTW, The Who, and I exchanged a few P.M.'s about all the crap I was receiving because I didn't agree with the majority here that all programs were bad. But that was over 4 months ago, and very briefly. It's not like we are buddy buddy! Come on re-read my PM's Zen. They are still sitting there, I don't bother to erase those things, because I have nothing to hide. But, keep in mind if you do decide to be a prick, and post them. It just reflects badly on fornits for allowing you to have access to such private information.
Also, it wasn't just 1 WWASP program I went through. I went through a total of 4 different programs. If you don't consider me a survivor having to endure being away from my family for 4 1/2 years going through everything I did, then what is your definition of being a "program survivor"? I'd be real curious to hear that one! Also, you obtained my name from fornits when I signed up. Either that or when I listed myself on classmates.com trying to find some of my long lost friends that met the same unfortunate fate that I did, to catch up on old times. I didn't sign up to have some fucking loser like yourself that likes to talk the talk, then can't walk the walk, then threaten to spread my name all over this board. How truly pathetic you are. Get a life buddy!
BTW, having my name listed, and having my picture put up on here (thanks to Niles, oh well someone posted yours too), at first it kinda pissed me off, I'll be honest, I wasn't real comfortable having that information just hanging out here. But, I figure if there hasn't been anyone murdered by an angry fornits poster yet, and I am talking about all Ed-Con's to Program Owners to random prickish staff that taunted some of us, and made our lives a living hell, then the chances of someone coming after me, are slim, to none.
If someone does decide to, then hey, when it's your time, it's your time! But, don't think for one second I am not aware of my surroundings. I also have a few family members that are in law enforcement, also some detectives that are undercover in the narcotics division, and it really is not a big deal to have my phones tapped, calls traced, or whatever it takes to find out who you are, and press charges. So, if you like stuff like that on your record, enjoy spending time in court, or love being behind bars, then go for it. I just pick up the phone and make one call, and that starts the ball in motion. So, please make sure this is really what you want to do. If you decide to show up at my house, first of all you would have to make it through security. If you did that, then my dogs would alert me, which then I would proceed to grab my husbands gun, and then I would have to blow your brains out all over my pretty house. Sorry, I am not nice like some people who might aim for a leg to disable you. I aim with the intent to kill.
I really like the majority of the people on here even though we have are disagreements. There are just a few of you that no matter what I say, or do, I will always be on their shit list! Oh well, that's the way it goes.
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I didn't post your info - if you had seen your info posted like you claim, you would have gone ballistic. There was never anything posted.
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First off I just want to say that I've never posted on here. I don't know anyone on here except for my stepfather. I did notice my address here. I don't know why it's on here, but I'm guessing a lot of you have some big beef with me. Since it's already there I thought I'd invite you all over for tea/coffee and you can say whatever it is that you have to say to me.
P.S. Bring goats for me to eat.
LOL. Tell 'em.
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Nobody has a beef with you.
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Nobody has a beef with you.
Then why are you posting her address and info, and pics?
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Well, do you still wanna come over for coffee and cake?
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Poison it if they do, child.
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Hmmm.............let me see here, I have never posted their address. I know that's tough for me to prove. But, I haven't. As far as the picture thing goes......I have never posted any pictures here on Fornits. The sad truth is, I don't know how to!!!!! You'll never find a post of mine with a picture/image. Not going to happen. The only time you'll see a picture in a post of mine is if I quoted someone that had it in their post.
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Well, do you still wanna come over for coffee and cake?
I'm more of a tea, and crumpet kind of gal.
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Hmmm.............let me see here, I have never posted their address. I know that's tough for me to prove.
This is Fornits, and apparently you don't need no proof to hang.
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I like this cartoon someone made of me. http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/acb7097448.jpg (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/acb7097448.jpg)
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OK. I think we've established that trespassing at anybody's address here will most likely result in a hole in the head and/or death by poisoning. Can we just drop this now while this pen0r comparison contest is still in it's infancy.
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Yeah. Siobhan, please don't feed the trolls, let 'em starve and eat each other. They're not worth it.. Call me! I'm getting the "no calls" message.
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
I never saw CCM "rage." Also, the person who abused her is a moderator here, a place she visits often to make peace with the past. So the situation is worse for her.
The people posting stoodog's info are not those who have issue with what Zen did for legitimate reasons. Those are trolls--there are always trolls playing around here. But I'm sure you can understand why it's upsetting for a non-troll, a survivor, to see some guy bully some survivor and post her info while mocking her and continue officiating here. I don't know why you deny it...this went on for a long time, during all those ccm is a whore threads.
You're right, ccm can't find the post. Zen can. He edited it not long ago. Ask him to link to it. You won't because then he'd reveal what he did.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
LOL. You're weak, dude. How can Zen link to what doesn't exist? And hey: Your mama don't work here? Find your own links, you lazy bastard. You posted Zen's info, so you know how to search. Find this mythical post or SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE!!!
Again, Zen's kid has to see the shit YOU posted? You're bitching about something you can't even FIND??? Moron!!!!
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Gosh guys!!! This is soooooo old!!! Bag it, already!!! Really!!! Take a break, thewho is?
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
LOL. You're weak, dude. How can Zen link to what doesn't exist? And hey: Your mama don't work here? Find your own links, you lazy bastard. You posted Zen's info, so you know how to search. Find this mythical post or SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE!!!
Again, Zen's kid has to see the shit YOU posted? You're bitching about something you can't even FIND??? Moron!!!!
Um, this has been covered-- the post exists--zen doesn't deny that. He just won't link to it. Why?
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
LOL. You're weak, dude. How can Zen link to what doesn't exist? And hey: Your mama don't work here? Find your own links, you lazy bastard. You posted Zen's info, so you know how to search. Find this mythical post or SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE!!!
Again, Zen's kid has to see the shit YOU posted? You're bitching about something you can't even FIND??? Moron!!!!
by the way, there are quite a # of people who respond to this issue. The person who posted stuff is not me.
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
LOL. You're weak, dude. How can Zen link to what doesn't exist? And hey: Your mama don't work here? Find your own links, you lazy bastard. You posted Zen's info, so you know how to search. Find this mythical post or SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE!!!
Again, Zen's kid has to see the shit YOU posted? You're bitching about something you can't even FIND??? Moron!!!!
Um, this has been covered-- the post exists--zen doesn't deny that. He just won't link to it. Why?
Um - freak - I DO deny it. It does not exist. How can I link to it? Psy verified there was no post. You're a fucking idiot troll who's posting my family's info and demanding shit you know is non-existent.
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, and we know Zen has those WMD...uh..links somewhere..."
Shut up.
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
LOL. You're weak, dude. How can Zen link to what doesn't exist? And hey: Your mama don't work here? Find your own links, you lazy bastard. You posted Zen's info, so you know how to search. Find this mythical post or SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE!!!
Again, Zen's kid has to see the shit YOU posted? You're bitching about something you can't even FIND??? Moron!!!!
by the way, there are quite a # of people who respond to this issue. The person who posted stuff is not me.
PROVE IT! Post the evidence. Otherwise, take the blame anon.
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I am not theWho, either. Do not accuse me. Post the link now Zen. You know where it is. We'll kill you if you don't.
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
LOL. You're weak, dude. How can Zen link to what doesn't exist? And hey: Your mama don't work here? Find your own links, you lazy bastard. You posted Zen's info, so you know how to search. Find this mythical post or SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE!!!
Again, Zen's kid has to see the shit YOU posted? You're bitching about something you can't even FIND??? Moron!!!!
Um, this has been covered-- the post exists--zen doesn't deny that. He just won't link to it. Why?
Um - freak - I DO deny it. It does not exist. How can I link to it? Psy verified there was no post. You're a fucking idiot troll who's posting my family's info and demanding shit you know is non-existent.
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, and we know Zen has those WMD...uh..links somewhere..."
Shut up.
Oh, god, zen. You are something. Here you talk about the post that "doesn't exist":
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.[…]
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
Here you wrote how you edited it “without being asked”:
I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.
You really should pick a story and stick to it.
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Just for the record, I don't own a gun. Or poison...
I just like to cook.
What started all of this? Can somebody fill me in? I know people on here are posting rude things about me, but I don't understand why.
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whenever dealing with zenagent it's best to quote everything he says before he can erase it and deny its existence. JSYK
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Whoever decided to post 6425 Owens Lane had a bad idea.
That is not where Zen lives.
That needs to be taken down before the person that lives there finds out it is up there.
Not a good idea at all.
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THIS SHIT IS TIRED
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
LOL. You're weak, dude. How can Zen link to what doesn't exist? And hey: Your mama don't work here? Find your own links, you lazy bastard. You posted Zen's info, so you know how to search. Find this mythical post or SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE!!!
Again, Zen's kid has to see the shit YOU posted? You're bitching about something you can't even FIND??? Moron!!!!
Um, this has been covered-- the post exists--zen doesn't deny that. He just won't link to it. Why?
Um - freak - I DO deny it. It does not exist. How can I link to it? Psy verified there was no post. You're a fucking idiot troll who's posting my family's info and demanding shit you know is non-existent.
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, and we know Zen has those WMD...uh..links somewhere..."
Shut up.
Over here you weren't claiming it was non existent. You were apologizing
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
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can i come over ? the goat sounds wonderful,ill bring mint jelly and be polite
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LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
LOL. You're weak, dude. How can Zen link to what doesn't exist? And hey: Your mama don't work here? Find your own links, you lazy bastard. You posted Zen's info, so you know how to search. Find this mythical post or SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE!!!
Again, Zen's kid has to see the shit YOU posted? You're bitching about something you can't even FIND??? Moron!!!!
Um, this has been covered-- the post exists--zen doesn't deny that. He just won't link to it. Why?
Um - freak - I DO deny it. It does not exist. How can I link to it? Psy verified there was no post. You're a fucking idiot troll who's posting my family's info and demanding shit you know is non-existent.
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, and we know Zen has those WMD...uh..links somewhere..."
Shut up.
Over here you weren't claiming it was non existent. You were apologizing
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
DAMN! Over and over you post this but: Where in the FUCK does the guy ever admit he posted ANYONE'S info? AND I've run through all of zen's posts around the time this supposedly occurred, and there's NOTHING THERE. If he did edit out whatever it was WHAT IS YOUR FUCKING DAMAGE? And why are you torturing his family?
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Where in the FUCK does the guy ever admit he posted ANYONE'S info?
O.K. my point isthere is an original post. He says so here:
Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post. Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.
Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.
But he just lied, saying there was no post at all
LOL. So Zen's daughter, who is half CCM's age, see the crap CCm and her buddies post about her and takes it with a grain of salt and a little humor. CCM rages six months later about something that never existed, she can't prove existed. or find on the forum.
Grow up, CCM, Gookin and the who.
This whole scene is retarded. Psy, you really should just ask Zen to link to what he wrote and put this to bed.
LOL. You're weak, dude. How can Zen link to what doesn't exist? And hey: Your mama don't work here? Find your own links, you lazy bastard. You posted Zen's info, so you know how to search. Find this mythical post or SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE!!!
Again, Zen's kid has to see the shit YOU posted? You're bitching about something you can't even FIND??? Moron!!!!
Um, this has been covered-- the post exists--zen doesn't deny that. He just won't link to it. Why?
Um - freak - I DO deny it. It does not exist. How can I link to it? Psy verified there was no post. You're a fucking idiot troll who's posting my family's info and demanding shit you know is non-existent.
Shut up.
He won't link to this post because he put up all of ccm's info, and he doesn’t want anyone to find out, which psy could if he got a link to the original post.
This sux because administrators here aren’t responding to what happened because CCM’s the bad-survivor whipping boy around here. It sux 'cause someone who does that shouldn't be a fornits official and 'cause they will do it again. It bothers me because fornits seems to be switching back to a server where mods can get all sorts of info from posts and i.ps.
I don't get why psy just won't ask him to link to the thread, since he obviously knows where it is.
I don't get why he's being allowed to moderate when it's obvious, by his lies, that he got and posted her info, from her p.m.s or god knows.
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Just for the record, I don't own a gun. Or poison...
I just like to cook.
What started all of this? Can somebody fill me in? I know people on here are posting rude things about me, but I don't understand why.
Because your Step-Daddy thought it was ok to out me since he didn't agree with me. Instead of having the typical Fornits kind of disagreement, where insults are just hurled at one another, he decided to make it much more personable by posting my information.
BTW, it changed a lot here. It did for me especially. I don't feel safe posting certain stuff here anymore.
As far as me ever posting your information.....once again, I have never done that about anyone here. The people who keep saying that I did, just say it to say it. Kinda pathetic. Like 2 wrongs make it a right anyway?!!! Not in my eyes. Not ever. For example, no matter how much Zen has pissed me off, I never even address him by his first name. I'm not even going to start. There is a reason we have user names.
Anyway, that's about it. Hope everyone has a nice weekend.
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Whoever decided to post 6425 Owens Lane had a bad idea.
That is not where Zen lives.
That needs to be taken down before the person that lives there finds out it is up there.
Not a good idea at all.
Youre saying that's address of the person described here?--
I've heard the Baldwin tape, and while I consider it beyond horrible, I've heard worse directed at my "new" family. My wife's ex-husband crossed lines that made Baldwin look like Mr. Rogers. We had to "rescue" my step-daughter from her biological father's house a few years ago during a visitation after she discovered his not-too-well concealed stash of drugs. Despite my wife claiming she must have gotten her pick-up time wrong to prevent the lunatic blowing-up , bio-dad pressed the issue until the real reason came out. Then he unleashed a torrent of ear-piercing cursing, at one point screaming into his (then) 14 year-old daughter's face that she was "a lying bitch" and ordering her to get all her "fucking shit" out of his house. He walked out with a handful of her belongings and hurled them into our van, then noticed me sitting in the passenger seat. He glared, but cooled his tone a bit and continued throwing his daughter's things out.
When my step-daughter got in the car, she was a wreck, sobbing, hurt and angry. I'll never forget the look she gave me when she got in the van, it was a teary, pleading, confused look. The first thing she said, straight from the heart:
"I HATE THAT MOTHERFUCKER, I WISH HE WERE DEAD!"
What could anyone say? What adult reacts with anger to a kid who's only "crime" was being utterly scared and confused by the discovery of her father's drugs and paraphernalia?
Later , when I told my wife I had never seen such an unbalanced, irrational outburst, she said "that was nothing, really. He's been far, far worse, ripping doors off, cornering the kids and screaming for ages," Once, he thought his son had ignored him at a soccer game because he didn't wave to him. That set off a three hour cursing rage, demanding an explanation other than "I didn't see you," Bio-dad said that was "BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT!"
My step daughter heard the Baldwin tape, and said it wasn't that bad, she'd heard "a whole lot worse". It's heartbreaking.
At least Baldwin's going to answer for it. My step-daughter refused to see her bio-dad for two years, and when he saw an opportunity to snatch custody through a shady, deceitful court order, he threw her in Peninsula Village. An evaluation done before she was sent to PV made the father-daughter situation clear: the only options available at the time were the father's desire to place her in Peninsula Village, or send her to live with him. The psychiatrist said living with the father was "NOT an option, due to the strained relationship". It's sad to think a professional considered Peninsula Village a safer environment than the father's home. In a private discussion with my wife and I, the psychiatrist asked if we were positive we would win custody back during our court date, which was a week away. We were positive due process would work, since the whole seizure of custody stank of fraud, and that seemed to put the psychiatrist's mind at ease. What a shock that day in court, when the same Judge who granted temporary custody refused to admit he had made a mistake. We "fixed" the custody problem eventually, but 7 months in PV was a terrible vengeance for a father to exact from his own child.
Why can't parents realize their words can sometimes do more damage than fists?
Right?
Peeps, ur trolling skills r weak
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If Zen posted CCM's info, where the fuck is it? CCM has posted Zen's info all over the place. CCM keeps saying she's been "outed", but where is this info? I don't see it, and obviously CCM and the who have been cobbling together Zen's posts, but they don't have their main one.
CCM, you're a fucking lying bitch. Who, you're a cunt, and don't think your absence while this troll is smearing zen's family all over the forum has gone unnoticed.
Fuck them, Zen. Don't let them run you off or intimidate you. This is low, scumbucket behavior, and they look like shit for doing it.
Again, CCM, you're a godawful bitch for supporting whoever is doing it. I hope somebody DOES post your info on the board for real.
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If Zen posted CCM's info, where the fuck is it? CCM has posted Zen's info all over the place. CCM keeps saying she's been "outed", but where is this info? I don't see it, and obviously CCM and the who have been cobbling together Zen's posts, but they don't have their main one.
CCM, you're a fucking lying bitch. Who, you're a cunt, and don't think your absence while this troll is smearing zen's family all over the forum has gone unnoticed.
Fuck them, Zen. Don't let them run you off or intimidate you. This is low, scumbucket behavior, and they look like shit for doing it.
Again, CCM, you're a godawful bitch for supporting whoever is doing it. I hope somebody DOES post your info on the board for real.
I'm not in support of anyone posting personal information of people here. I don't think you'll ever find Psy, or Ginger accusing me of posting information on Zen, or his family. They may have a long list of things they disagree with me on, and they may not like me, but I was never out to win a popularity contest here on Fornits. They have access to Fornits to see where these postings are coming from. Even if people are using proxies, there is a time line, and people have different writing styles. It's pretty obvious it's not me.
In your words, I am a lying fucking bitch who is just god awful! You hope someone posts my information for real?!! That's not very nice. What will that accomplish? I haven't done anything to anyone. What will you do? Write me letters? Show up at my house? Please tell me you have better things to do. If not, give me a call...maybe we can brainstorm on things you could be doing to actually make a difference in this world.
I think it's wrong for people to describe Zen's daughter as having the face of a burn victim, and a body of a gorilla. But, at the same time Zen asking me if CCM in my user name stands for Crack Craving Miranda? How mature is that? Give me a break! While it is totally wrong for people to attack people on a physical level, it's even worse to make fun of me, and my crack habit. Crack is very addictive!
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In your words, I am a lying fucking bitch who is just god awful! You hope someone posts my information for real?!! That's not very nice. What will that accomplish? I haven't done anything to anyone.
Nah, she's a saint. I hate to blow yer martyr charade.
Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
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You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
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When Whootie needs back-up, up pops PMS girl. It would make sense...PMS girll is a vile, pitiless beast, but if she's confronted for gross bitchery, she whines about being a program survivor. I've never known the goblin girl to do anything more than spew negativity and take cheap shots.
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 26#p297026 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=297026#p297026)
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When Whootie needs back-up, up pops PMS girl. It would make sense...PMS girll is a vile, pitiless beast, but if she's confronted for gross bitchery, she whines about being a program survivor. I've never known the goblin girl to do anything more than spew negativity and take cheap shots.
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 26#p297026 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=297026#p297026)
Got any more? CCM wins hands down. Tell me, from the laundry list of "vile, pitiless" comments CCM made, why the above description of her is incorrect? Does she not have a history of spewing negativity and taking cheap shots?
Zen's mean spirited, but it's not unprovoked.
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DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.[…]
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
Here ZenAgent explain his motivation behind outing CCM and her husband. He says TheWho asked for the info. Stay classy, ZenAgent!
I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.
Here is ZenAgent admitting to editing out CCM's name, in a post he now claims never existed.
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
Here is ZenAgent apologizing for the post he now claims never existed.
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I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.
Follow the link. That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked. They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.
Looks like we go the real liars.
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Quote from: ZenAgent on March 04, 2008, 08:07:13 PM
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
If zen can explain what he was apologizing to ccm for ,that will clear things up.
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who gives a shit what zen meant? This is all orchestrated by PV as an excuse to post Zen and family's personal information over and over, and attack with cruel remarks in an attempt to silence them.
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Quote from: ZenAgent on March 04, 2008, 08:07:13 PM
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
If zen can explain what he was apologizing to ccm for ,that will clear things up.
It sounds like he's saying he knew their info but only posted first names? and could have posted the rest, but wouldn't do it? And he was sorry for posting even that?
At least he tried to resolve it, unlike you pigs. maybe all he did was google "CCMgirl1989".
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All this talk about who stated what is a waste of time.
It is exactly why only the identity of only one of we Danes from Secret prisons for teens is known to foreigners. He never leaves Denmark as we do. So if someone wants to come for coffee it can only be on an address in Denmark. We will not tell anyone about who we are.
If someone is up to a conspiracy, then blame a terapist with insight in the paranoia a stay in a program can result in for planting such info just to tear this message board apart. (And he or she succeeded in some way).
If none are up to such a conspiracy theory, then end this thread and the other thread like this one.
Start working on outing the programs instead. They are just thriving while we fight.
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In your words, I am a lying fucking bitch who is just god awful! You hope someone posts my information for real?!! That's not very nice. What will that accomplish? I haven't done anything to anyone.
Nah, she's a saint. I hate to blow yer martyr charade.
Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
:roll:
You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
Zen (or sound alike), as one who comes and goes, the last time I "went" was when ccm was getting abused by you, stoododog, Niles and a bunch of Anons. It was such a grotesque thing to witness, I left.
Among other things: you posted her photo, made fun of her looks, made fun of her family, accessed her personal messages and taunted her about that, eventually you posted her personal info. You didn’t deny what you did back then; you said posting her info was “her fault” for making it traceable. You did this all with a malicious sanctimonious glee. Your excuse for all this was that she wasn’t anti-program enough. But your excuse is not ethically sound.
I don’t think all those quotes are accurate but where they are they are in the context of being abused for no good reason or just being a fallible human being. It would be interesting to assemble your quotes. I doubt you’d stand up as well as ccm. Go to the source, and these quotes are after provocations. And in any event, it’s not your place to “punish” a survivor for failing to please you enough by posting her info, or judge her "lesser" than human and thusly "good" to torment.
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I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.
Follow the link. That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked. They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.
Looks like we go the real liars.
Zen either deleted what he wrote, or it disappeared when Morpheus and his server died.
Zen, are you saying I made these quotes up? You’ll stake your integrity, your word on that I made up the “edited” quote?
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WITHOUT REPLIES THE TROLL DIES
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In your words, I am a lying fucking bitch who is just god awful! You hope someone posts my information for real?!! That's not very nice. What will that accomplish? I haven't done anything to anyone.
Nah, she's a saint. I hate to blow yer martyr charade.
Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
:roll:
You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
Zen (or sound alike), as one who comes and goes, the last time I "went" was when ccm was getting abused by you, stoododog, Niles and a bunch of Anons. It was such a grotesque thing to witness, I left.
Among other things: you posted her photo, made fun of her looks, made fun of her family, accessed her personal messages and taunted her about that, eventually you posted her personal info. You didn’t deny what you did back then; you said posting her info was “her fault” for making it traceable. You did this all with a malicious sanctimonious glee. Your excuse for all this was that she wasn’t anti-program enough. But your excuse is not ethically sound.
I don’t think all those quotes are accurate but where they are they are in the context of being abused for no good reason or just being a fallible human being. It would be interesting to assemble your quotes. I doubt you’d stand up as well as ccm. Go to the source, and these quotes are after provocations. And in any event, it’s not your place to “punish” a survivor for failing to please you enough by posting her info, or judge her "lesser" than human and thusly "good" to torment.
SDD, can you provide links to the text in bold above? I would like to know how zenagent accessed private messages. Also, a link to where he posted photos since there is no link to him posting CCMgirl's info. If you left out of disgust at "such a grotesque thing to witness" happening to CCMgirl, how do you view what has been happening to zenagent's daughter for months? This is acceptable to you? You claim such noble principles, but you're biased against THIS survivor???
it’s not your place to “punish” a survivor for failing to please you enough by posting her info, or judge her "lesser" than human and thusly "good" to torment.
How has zenagent's daughter failed to please these people abusing her? She is certainly being treated like she's less than human and "good" to torment by some phantom vigilante mob who have gone beyond the "grotesque" in their mistreatment, IMO.
If zenagent ever knew CCMgirl's personal information, he would have posted it anonymously in anger by now. If it were only zenagent being hounded, it would be o.k. You're abusing this girl for sport, and there is no justification for it, IMO. I don't agree with posting anyone's information, period. CCMgirl's information isn't on the forum, but zenagent's daughter has hers posted everywhere by people who want her father. It's grotesque to see people abuse zenagent's daughter to get at him. This is like the worst program.
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They're PV staff.
It's all they do.
It's all they know how to do.
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I would like to know how zenagent accessed private messages.
It's not possible. Not even admins can do that. It's as absurd an allegation as any other laid by the troll against Zen.
The troll's strategy is to repeat the same debunked false allegations over and over again in the hope that some will believe it and it will scare others away from Fornits. It's why the troll never presents any evidence of his allegations, instead insisting that Zen produce evidence against himself (that doesn't even exist).
But anyway. I'm breaking my own rules by even addressing this. To echo a guest above: without replies the troll dies (and we can get back to actually addressing the important issues relating to this industry, which the troll desperately does not want)
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In your words, I am a lying fucking bitch who is just god awful! You hope someone posts my information for real?!! That's not very nice. What will that accomplish? I haven't done anything to anyone.
Nah, she's a saint. I hate to blow yer martyr charade.
Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
:roll:
You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
Zen (or sound alike), as one who comes and goes, the last time I "went" was when ccm was getting abused by you, stoododog, Niles and a bunch of Anons. It was such a grotesque thing to witness, I left.
Among other things: you posted her photo, made fun of her looks, made fun of her family, accessed her personal messages and taunted her about that, eventually you posted her personal info. You didn’t deny what you did back then; you said posting her info was “her fault” for making it traceable. You did this all with a malicious sanctimonious glee. Your excuse for all this was that she wasn’t anti-program enough. But your excuse is not ethically sound.
I don’t think all those quotes are accurate but where they are they are in the context of being abused for no good reason or just being a fallible human being. It would be interesting to assemble your quotes. I doubt you’d stand up as well as ccm. Go to the source, and these quotes are after provocations. And in any event, it’s not your place to “punish” a survivor for failing to please you enough by posting her info, or judge her "lesser" than human and thusly "good" to torment.
SDD, can you provide links to the text in bold above? I would like to know how zenagent accessed private messages. Also, a link to where he posted photos since there is no link to him posting CCMgirl's info. If you left out of disgust at "such a grotesque thing to witness" happening to CCMgirl, how do you view what has been happening to zenagent's daughter for months? This is acceptable to you? You claim such noble principles, but you're biased against THIS survivor???
it’s not your place to “punish” a survivor for failing to please you enough by posting her info, or judge her "lesser" than human and thusly "good" to torment.
How has zenagent's daughter failed to please these people abusing her? She is certainly being treated like she's less than human and "good" to torment by some phantom vigilante mob who have gone beyond the "grotesque" in their mistreatment, IMO.
If zenagent ever knew CCMgirl's personal information, he would have posted it anonymously in anger by now. If it were only zenagent being hounded, it would be o.k. You're abusing this girl for sport, and there is no justification for it, IMO. I don't agree with posting anyone's information, period. CCMgirl's information isn't on the forum, but zenagent's daughter has hers posted everywhere by people who want her father. It's grotesque to see people abuse zenagent's daughter to get at him. This is like the worst program.
Did I say I'm in favor of having that person's info posted? Che isn't a moderator here, which is the issue.
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I would like to know how zenagent accessed private messages.
It's not possible. Not even admins can do that. It's as absurd an allegation as any other laid by the troll against Zen.
Um, I don’t know what mods have access to. Maybe people assume Zen boasting and taunting her about getting her p.m s isn't all bs?
Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who. I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.
The troll's strategy is to repeat the same debunked false allegations over and over again in the hope that some will believe it and it will scare others away from Fornits. It's why the troll never presents any evidence of his allegations, instead insisting that Zen produce evidence against himself (that doesn't even exist).
But anyway. I'm breaking my own rules by even addressing this. To echo a guest above: without replies the troll dies (and we can get back to actually addressing the important issues relating to this industry, which the troll desperately does not want)
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Thanks. That's not my "strategy." I'm just saying there is an original post that zen is lying about never having existed
Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post. Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.
Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.
(her first name, blanks..............................)
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
What is he talking about but the "original" post? I don't know where it is. Obviously he does. So ask him to link to it and then you can see what was there originally...if you want to find that out.
Do you any of the above quotes have been altered? They haven't (though some of them aren't on the forum as half this forum disappeared when the server crashed.) If you want me to send you "proof" of that ,or whatever, i will.
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Do you any of the above quotes have been altered?
1. Yes. The highlighted line in red (above post) was never in the original here (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=309736#p309736) (febuary post), which, as you can also see, has not been modified as there is no modificiation tag*.
2. Even if such a line was there (which it wasn't, since the post I linked to above wasn't modified), all it would show is that Zen posted CCM's first name, Miranda, which was public knowledge (something that she published on antiWWASP and on her myspace page, available by googling her username). If the line you inserted (forged) is accurate (which it's not since the post was not modified), all it would show is that zen threatened to out CCM, but did not actually do so (and none of that even shows he even had her info).
3. Even if Zen did out CCM by providing her full name, (which he did not do, and could not have done, as detailed above), there was no harm done, as not even CCM can provide evidence that she was harmed.
I am addressing this now as I did before the server crash and that post was lost (All posts between March 10th and about June 10th). I will not address this again. Rather I will quote this post.
*modifications made within 5 mins of posting are not recorded. However. See point 2.
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Despite the fact that Zen wants to kick my ass, and rightly so, I fully endorse this bloke as a moderator of a PV forum. I can't think of anyone who has put more time trying to expose this slophole than him.
I see this as a total assualt by PV supporters to undermine his and other's efforts. We've seen the same crap against Psy, Ginger, and a few others.
By all means hate me if you will, i sorta enjoy it, but don't lose faith in Zen's dedication to kicking PV in the balls. If anything now is the time to rally behind this dude like some of you are currently doing. Keep doing it.. Keep supporting him.
I'm glad Zen has stopped responding to all of this. Hopefully he gets focused on taking out PV.
Also these massive cut and paste thingies worry me. If you scroll down to fast they could probably induce seizures.
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Despite the fact that Zen wants to kick my ass, and rightly so, I fully endorse this bloke as a moderator of a PV forum. I can't think of anyone who has put more time trying to expose this slophole than him.
I see this as a total assualt by PV supporters to undermine his and other's efforts. We've seen the same crap against Psy, Ginger, and a few others.
By all means hate me if you will, i sorta enjoy it, but don't lose faith in Zen's dedication to kicking PV in the balls. If anything now is the time to rally behind this dude like some of you are currently doing. Keep doing it.. Keep supporting him.
I'm glad Zen has stopped responding to all of this. Hopefully he gets focused on taking out PV.
Also these massive cut and paste thingies worry me. If you scroll down to fast they could probably induce seizures.
No. You see paranoid types pissed and worried about what can be found out about them and you see regular fornits trolls joining in the ruckus. Zen's not responding because he's caught in a lie.
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Despite the fact that Zen wants to kick my ass, and rightly so, I fully endorse this bloke as a moderator of a PV forum. I can't think of anyone who has put more time trying to expose this slophole than him.
I see this as a total assualt by PV supporters to undermine his and other's efforts. We've seen the same crap against Psy, Ginger, and a few others.
By all means hate me if you will, i sorta enjoy it, but don't lose faith in Zen's dedication to kicking PV in the balls. If anything now is the time to rally behind this dude like some of you are currently doing. Keep doing it.. Keep supporting him.
I'm glad Zen has stopped responding to all of this. Hopefully he gets focused on taking out PV.
Also these massive cut and paste thingies worry me. If you scroll down to fast they could probably induce seizures.
No. You see paranoid types pissed and worried about what can be found out about them and you see regular fornits trolls joining in the ruckus. Zen's not responding because he's caught in a lie.
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 26#p312826 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=312826#p312826)
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No.. I'm the one to blame.
I hired a hacker named Neo to alter Zen's post and we dubbed it, "Operation Follow the Rabbit". I also was the man on the mound. I also staged the lunar landings.. they really went down on a beach in north carolina.. and 911 never happened. That was a huge LSD induced hoax.
Also..
Congrats.. fornits is the proud new owner of www.peninsulavillageexposed.com (http://www.peninsulavillageexposed.com)
keep at it trolls. You are only going to make this worst for your little shit hole. The truth about PV can't be contained.
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Do you any of the above quotes have been altered?
1. Yes. The highlighted line in red (above post) was never in the original here (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=309736#p309736) (febuary post), which, as you can also see, has not been modified as there is no modificiation tag*.
2. Even if such a line was there (which it wasn't, since the post I linked to above wasn't modified), all it would show is that Zen posted CCM's first name, Miranda, which was public knowledge (something that she published on antiWWASP and on her myspace page, available by googling her username). If the line you inserted (forged) is accurate (which it's not since the post was not modified), all it would show is that zen threatened to out CCM, but did not actually do so (and none of that even shows he even had her info).
3. Even if Zen did out CCM by providing her full name, (which he did not do, and could not have done, as detailed above), there was no harm done, as not even CCM can provide evidence that she was harmed.
That’s a quote of a quote. Someone apparently was summarizing what they felt was written above it. They are not “forging” the quote as they make it clear they are ADDING their own words by using red and parenthesis.
What was relevant there, anyway, was Zen talking about the post that he says never existed. That part is still up in the carcass thread.
I have a lot of quotes from before the server shut down cuz my machine auto saves shit. Those posts are 100% true to the original I quoted. I can send you "proof" of everything. If you want to tell me how to post images, I’ll post it here.
He also said this. The first is obviously not the a link to the original quote, though.
Yep. I could edit it because I posted under my user name, unlike your cowardly trolling
And this
Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post. Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.
Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.
There is OBVIOUSLY an original post. Zen lies and says never exist. In this post, apparently, he was outted, or (he used to say threatened) to out ccm as a way of making who do something.
I think he completely deleted the original post which is why he’s claiming there never was one now. Can you unearth deleted posts if he tells you where it was?
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Yeah. Here's him lying about it never existing:
The "bury this carcass thread" is where it took place, nowhere else, and whatever you are looking for "exists" there. Read the thread or ask the admin. I haven't admitted to any "original post" somewhere else, because there simply isn't one. Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof". After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to a search for some "other" phantom post. If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it? CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud. THEN the argument scaled down to "posting first names is a sin". A lot of old timers refer to CCM by her given Christian name, she signed her posts with it. Didn't realize it was such a big deal if she used it on the forum. I guess the troll bloc decides on who gets to use posted first names and who does not.
so you know, I'm not makin' this up.
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NOTE TO EXTREMELY REPETITIVE AND EXTREMELY BORING TROLL:
I don't think anyone but you even gives a shit by this point.
Psy, can you just nuke this thread and the dozen others like it as pure chaff? This isn't communication. This isn't even sense. This is just some sad monkey repeating and quoting himself, over and over again.
Sorry Zen, but Ajax has you all beat to hell in the getting trolled competition. His troll at least knows more than one tune.
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What never existed was a post with CCM's full info, he's not denying a post with blanked out info. How can you be so obtuse.
If you dedicated a fraction of all this time you're wasting trolling a six month old issue to addressing abusive programs, you would be more effective. I doubt you have any interest in abusive programs other than working for one. I don't think the GAO hearings got as much attention as "Zengate '08".
The more you call him a "liar", the more you distance yourself from what supposedly motivated you: CCMgirl is no issue for you, just hammering away at Zen, and you're getting sloppy and desperate-looking. You really do look like Peninsula staff with a vendetta.
You're turning Zen into a martyr. PV doesn't want a St. Zen, do they?
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::deadhorse::
Troll. In six months, no one has shown zenagent did anything wrong. You have, however, by posting his family's address and pictures and tormenting another survivor. If you really were concerned about the privacy of program survivors, you'd quit posting the "revenge" stuff about zenagent's kid and stop this. You're starting to conjure sympathy for zenagent after half a year of posting his kid's pictures, address, phone number. Are you Peninsula Village People? PV alumni?
You're not beating a dead horse at this point, you're committing necrophiliac bestiality with the animal. :o You're Mark Sudweeks!
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You're not beating a dead horse at this point, you're committing necrophiliac bestiality with the animal. :o You're Mark Sudweeks!
Holy shit dawg.. You've coined an entirely new insult.
For example:
HOLY shit man you are boning a dead horse! You are pulling a Mark Sudweeks!
Let's see if we can get this posted on urban dictionary aight?
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You're not beating a dead horse at this point, you're committing necrophiliac bestiality with the animal. :o You're Mark Sudweeks!
Holy shit dawg.. You've coined an entirely new insult.
For example:
HOLY shit man you are boning a dead horse! You are pulling a Mark Sudweeks!
Let's see if we can get this posted on urban dictionary aight?
"Oh, dude. You totally Sudweeksed that maggoty nag. Man, I think I'm gonna have a technicolor yawn, that's so disgusting"
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;D
Dawg you win! YOU WIN! I bow to greatness.
Come up with one for Sue Scheff also will you?
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No. He DID deny that an “original post” existed:
The "bury this carcass thread" is where it took place, nowhere else, and whatever you are looking for "exists" there. […]I haven't admitted to any "original post" somewhere else, because there simply isn't one. Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof". After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to a search for some "other" phantom post. If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it? CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.
Lying about it "never existing" implies lying about what was up originally, as does the conflicting stories about what he knows and posted about ccm.
I didn’t post photos I don’t know how to.
Zen posted her info—which he got somehow. Then deleted the post. That’s what happened. Do you want the same done to you?
Are you saying any quote is made up, Zen?
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No. He DID deny that an “original post” existed:
The "bury this carcass thread" is where it took place, nowhere else, and whatever you are looking for "exists" there. […]I haven't admitted to any "original post" somewhere else, because there simply isn't one. Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof". After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to a search for some "other" phantom post. If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it? CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.
Lying about it "never existing" implies lying about what was up originally, as does the conflicting stories about what he knows and posted about ccm.
I didn’t post photos I don’t know how to.
Zen posted her info—which he got somehow. Then deleted the post. That’s what happened. Do you want the same done to you?
Are you saying any quote is made up, Zen?
(also, i don't keep bringing this up, other's do, and I respond to the b.s and lies)
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Lying about it "never existing" implies lying about what was up originally, as does the conflicting stories about what he knows and posted about ccm.
What he knows is none of your damn business. Her name and address was never posted.
I didn’t post photos I don’t know how to.
You and CCMgirl have the same lack of skill, huh? If you know how to play with the links, you know how to post pictures.
Zen posted her info—which he got somehow. Then deleted the post. That’s what happened. Do you want the same done to you?
Well, no harm no foul I guess. Sure. Shit, you don't even know how zenagent got her info? You don't even know if he had her info. I imagine zenagent would like the same done to him, go ahead and delete his kid's personal info.
Are you saying any quote is made up, Zen?
zenagent hasn't been on this thread in a while, although you certainly are all dewy for him. Get over him, sweetpea, he's ignoring you. For all we know, you're zenagent pretending to be a stupid and sloppy troll.
I'm saying you make shit up. Psy says you made shit up. If you don't even trust the admins, you're shitting against the wall here, sunshine.
(also, i don't keep bringing this up, other's do, and I respond to the b.s and lies)
A lil' one man/woman jihad, huh? You create the b.s. and lies, and you're looking dumber by the minute. How's binnis at your program, love nugget?
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Lying about it "never existing" implies lying about what was up originally, as does the conflicting stories about what he knows and posted about ccm.
What he knows is none of your damn business. Her name and address was never posted.
I didn’t post photos I don’t know how to.
You and CCMgirl have the same lack of skill, huh? If you know how to play with the links, you know how to post pictures.
Zen posted her info—which he got somehow. Then deleted the post. That’s what happened. Do you want the same done to you?
Well, no harm no foul I guess. Sure. Shit, you don't even know how zenagent got her info? You don't even know if he had her info. I imagine zenagent would like the same done to him, go ahead and delete his kid's personal info.
Are you saying any quote is made up, Zen?
zenagent hasn't been on this thread in a while, although you certainly are all dewy for him. Get over him, sweetpea, he's ignoring you. For all we know, you're zenagent pretending to be a stupid and sloppy troll.
I'm saying you make shit up. Psy says you made shit up. If you don't even trust the admins, you're shitting against the wall here, sunshine.
(also, i don't keep bringing this up, other's do, and I respond to the b.s and lies)
A lil' one man/woman jihad, huh? You create the b.s. and lies, and you're looking dumber by the minute. How's binnis at your program, love nugget?
zEN ^^^
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Nah it was me.
:moon:
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No. He DID deny that an “original post” existed:
The "bury this carcass thread" is where it took place, nowhere else, and whatever you are looking for "exists" there. […]I haven't admitted to any "original post" somewhere else, because there simply isn't one. Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof". After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to a search for some "other" phantom post. If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it? CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.
Lying about it "never existing" implies lying about what was up originally, as does the conflicting stories about what he knows and posted about ccm.
I didn’t post photos I don’t know how to.
Zen posted her info—which he got somehow. Then deleted the post. That’s what happened. Do you want the same done to you?
Are you saying any quote is made up, Zen?
(also, i don't keep bringing this up, other's do, and I respond to the b.s and lies)
^^^^^^^^^
Aluminum Beanie Wearing FREAK
Are you pining for your man zenagent, sugar? Are you looking to every anon poster to be him? Who are you, sweetpea? Gosh, isn't it cute, you're sputtering and stamping your feet like a three year old. Isn't it adorable?
You're pursuing an issue that everyone is over, and looking a right twat for posting fake shit.
This should have resolved it for you. You can spend the rest of your feeble existence screaming about your paranoid conspiracies, but that style of trolling is not for the long haul.
Do you any of the above quotes have been altered?
1. Yes. The highlighted line in red (above post) was never in the original here (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=309736#p309736) (febuary post), which, as you can also see, has not been modified as there is no modificiation tag*.
2. Even if such a line was there (which it wasn't, since the post I linked to above wasn't modified), all it would show is that Zen posted CCM's first name, Miranda, which was public knowledge (something that she published on antiWWASP and on her myspace page, available by googling her username). If the line you inserted (forged) is accurate (which it's not since the post was not modified), all it would show is that zen threatened to out CCM, but did not actually do so (and none of that even shows he even had her info).
3. Even if Zen did out CCM by providing her full name, (which he did not do, and could not have done, as detailed above), there was no harm done, as not even CCM can provide evidence that she was harmed.
I am addressing this now as I did before the server crash and that post was lost (All posts between March 10th and about June 10th). I will not address this again. Rather I will quote this post.
*modifications made within 5 mins of posting are not recorded. However. See point 2.
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zenagent hasn't been on this thread in a while, although you certainly are all dewy for him. Get over him, sweetpea, he's ignoring you. For all we know, you're zenagent pretending to be a stupid and sloppy troll.
Zen’s not responding while logged in ‘cause he’s been caught lying, and every time he responds he digs himself in deeper.
What he knows is none of your damn business. Her name and address was never posted.
What he knows about ccm’s relevant because his contradictory claims about it indicate he’s lying about what he originally posted.
It’s relevant because how could he have found ccm’s info if not by abusing powers? She’s said she only used her real name in P/Ms and when she registered.
I'm saying you make shit up. Psy says you made shit up. If you don't even trust the admins, you're shitting against the wall here, sunshine.
Psy, you think I faked a quote? As I said, the bit in red was someone (not me) obviously adding their summation of Zen’s quote above it:
Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum. Dont you have any boundaries? Dont give me the crap that it was already public. If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123)
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
Nothing was “forged” because the way it’s written, that it’s in parenthesis, and in red, means the author is ADDING his own ideas. He's not “forging” Zen’s writing
Which quote are you saying is forged, Zen? Pys? The one where Zen claims there never was an “original post”—where he’s lying? The one he contradicts himself about what he posted and what he “knows”? The relevant ones? Want me to email you proof of their validity?
Everything posted is true to the original I quoted… And anyone can be “outted” next. You can have your info pooled and used against you
Zen got her info(abusing powers—my opinion) and posted it. I agree this is old. Maybe make SURE that mods cannot see any identifying info, if you want to keep him on, and that’s just a wiser policy in general. But I don't think anyone who does--even if it's just threaten to post a survivor's info to make them do something-- should be on board here.
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I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.
Follow the link. That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked. They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.
Looks like we go the real liars.
Want me to post evidence of this, Zen?
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Everything posted is true to the original I quoted… And anyone can be “outted” next. You can have your info pooled and used against you
"Corey"? Corky, more likely.
Well, Zen's family might know more about having their info pooled and posted then YOU, Corky. Man, you are trying to spread your paranoia.
Zen got her info(abusing powers—my opinion) and posted it. I agree this is old. Maybe make SURE that mods cannot see any identifying info, if you want to keep him on, and that’s just a wiser policy in general. But I don't think anyone who does--even if it's just threaten to post a survivor's info to make them do something-- should be on board here.
Your opinion so far has been shit. You're just a garden variety Peninsula Village troll. If Zen were the asshole you say he is, and he really had CCM's info, he would have come on anonymously and posted CCM's info every time you posted about his daughter, or his wife, or posted their address and number.
He didn't, and you haven't proven he ever did.
You're the real asshole, Corky and denying you posted zen's info won't do any good, we'll invent shit like you do. Refer to Psy's post again and get somebody to explain it to you.
Go home Corky. Game over.
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I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.
Follow the link. That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked. They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.
Looks like we go the real liars.
Want me to post evidence of this, Zen?
Re: Liar, liar pants on fire!
You are a three year old. Dude, you've posted the same tired shit over and over. If you want to keep talking to people who aren't around, carry on, you're the freak. If you want to address zen, why don't you do it in the PV YLF forum? You'll be sure to have his attention, instead of calling Che zen, or anyone who disagrees with you.
You're making zen look like he's the victim of a nutjob troll working for PV. No one else would keep trying to manufacture drama that isn't there for six months. You're a loser.
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I found it, Corey. Here it is, the link to the post with the survivor's address, phone number. It certainly was posted, now you've got the lying bastard. Punish him for this.
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=312559#p312559)
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I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.
Follow the link. That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked. They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.
Looks like we go the real liars.
Want me to post evidence of this, Zen?
Re: Liar, liar pants on fire!
You are a three year old. Dude, you've posted the same tired shit over and over. If you want to keep talking to people who aren't around, carry on, you're the freak. If you want to address zen, why don't you do it in the PV YLF forum? You'll be sure to have his attention, instead of calling Che zen, or anyone who disagrees with you.
You're making zen look like he's the victim of a nutjob troll working for PV. No one else would keep trying to manufacture drama that isn't there for six months. You're a loser.
Hmm….misdirected rage a little?
A. There are different people posting about this—they’re not all me. I didn’t start this thread, or comment until recently to the bullshit intended to cover up what happened.
B. A mod somehow tracked down someone’s identity, posted it to control them, and deleted the post—that’s wrong and it can happen again
C. if you don’t feel that’s relevant. Then Don’t. Fucking. Respond, troglodyte
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I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.
Follow the link. That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked. They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.
Looks like we go the real liars.
Want me to post evidence of this, Zen?
Re: Liar, liar pants on fire!
You are a three year old. Dude, you've posted the same tired shit over and over. If you want to keep talking to people who aren't around, carry on, you're the freak. If you want to address zen, why don't you do it in the PV YLF forum? You'll be sure to have his attention, instead of calling Che zen, or anyone who disagrees with you.
You're making zen look like he's the victim of a nutjob troll working for PV. No one else would keep trying to manufacture drama that isn't there for six months. You're a loser.
Hmm….misdirected rage a little?
A. There are different people posting about this—they’re not all me. I didn’t start this thread, or comment until recently to the bullshit intended to cover up what happened.
B. A mod somehow tracked down someone’s identity, posted it to control them, and deleted the post—that’s wrong and it can happen again
C. if you don’t feel that’s relevant. Then Don’t. Fucking. Respond, troglodyte
Touchy, touchy, Corky. You only want Zen. You've even quit mentioning who you think was violated, because CCM doesn't matter to you, only zen. Present evidence that Zen did something like this:
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=312559#p312559)
or shut the fuck up. Go find your link yourself, Corky, it'll keep you busy forever, because there's no link with CCM's info.
And you're the only person posting this shit unless you can prove otherwise. You've got a clumsy, boneheaded prose style, and you're a troll, based on:
A. You ignore questions put to you and demand others to address you.
B. No amount of evidence shuts you up.
Some trolls piss people off, and you did that for several months. Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Seriously, if you think there are cover ups going on here, perhaps your paranoid personality is better suited to a moderated forum.
Do you want your own little thread somewhere to do this shit, where you won't bother people with important things to do, precious?
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I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.
Follow the link. That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked. They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.
Looks like we go the real liars.
Want me to post evidence of this, Zen?
Re: Liar, liar pants on fire!
You are a three year old. Dude, you've posted the same tired shit over and over. If you want to keep talking to people who aren't around, carry on, you're the freak. If you want to address zen, why don't you do it in the PV YLF forum? You'll be sure to have his attention, instead of calling Che zen, or anyone who disagrees with you.
You're making zen look like he's the victim of a nutjob troll working for PV. No one else would keep trying to manufacture drama that isn't there for six months. You're a loser.
Hmm….misdirected rage a little?
A. There are different people posting about this—they’re not all me. I didn’t start this thread, or comment until recently to the bullshit intended to cover up what happened.
B. A mod somehow tracked down someone’s identity, posted it to control them, and deleted the post—that’s wrong and it can happen again
C. if you don’t feel that’s relevant. Then Don’t. Fucking. Respond, troglodyte
Touchy, touchy, Corky. You only want Zen. You've even quit mentioning who you think was violated, because CCM doesn't matter to you, only zen. Present evidence that Zen did something like this:
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=312559#p312559)
or shut the fuck up. Go find your link yourself, Corky, it'll keep you busy forever, because there's no link with CCM's info.
And you're the only person posting this shit unless you can prove otherwise. You've got a clumsy, boneheaded prose style, and you're a troll, based on:
A. You ignore questions put to you and demand others to address you.
B. No amount of evidence shuts you up.
Some trolls piss people off, and you did that for several months. Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Seriously, if you think there are cover ups going on here, perhaps your paranoid personality is better suited to a moderated forum.
Do you want your own little thread somewhere to do this shit, where you won't bother people with important things to do, precious?
For someone who thinks it’s embarrassingly wasteful to argue about zen outing ccm ya sure spend your time doing so. What, no important things to do?
Your assumptions are incorrect.
Your anger is amusing.
The one “ignoring” relevant questions is Zen, (when logged in, speaking of idiosyncratic stylings) because answering would showcases ye’ ole' bullshit, contradicting story, darling.
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For someone who thinks it’s embarrassingly wasteful to argue about zen outing ccm ya *sure spend your time doing so. What, no important things to do?
*what the who does when his anger management program misses a meeting.
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Yeah, it is theWho. Syntax and all.
You posted this:
Post a picture of her. Oh wait...
Then this:
Don't post her picture, she’s so nasty her house is quarantined
399 east drive
Oak ridge tn 37830
865 481 3383
100 Broadway ave. apt 119 oak ridge tn 37830
When you couldn't find the pictures of my daughter to post again, you got angry and posted this:
ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
Follow the times.
IMAGE HOSTING IS DOWN. You are a troll. Damn, you've had me on your mind all weekend. I didn't think about you. YOU ARE A TROLL.
How am I lying? You're the one doctoring up posts, trying to put up pictures of survivors, and then you get all sniffy when you're denied the chance to abuse a survivor.
Again:
Do you any of the above quotes have been altered?
1. Yes. The highlighted line in red (above post) was never in the original here (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=309736#p309736) (febuary post), which, as you can also see, has not been modified as there is no modificiation tag*.
2. Even if such a line was there (which it wasn't, since the post I linked to above wasn't modified), all it would show is that Zen posted CCM's first name, Miranda, which was public knowledge (something that she published on antiWWASP and on her myspace page, available by googling her username). If the line you inserted (forged) is accurate (which it's not since the post was not modified), all it would show is that zen threatened to out CCM, but did not actually do so (and none of that even shows he even had her info).
3. Even if Zen did out CCM by providing her full name, (which he did not do, and could not have done, as detailed above), there was no harm done, as not even CCM can provide evidence that she was harmed.
I am addressing this now as I did before the server crash and that post was lost (All posts between March 10th and about June 10th). I will not address this again. Rather I will quote this post.
*modifications made within 5 mins of posting are not recorded. However. See point 2.
And again, the only link to any survivor's personal info on the Fornits Forum:
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=312559#p312559)
Posted by you. Get some therapy.
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Just dropping in one time for some moral support...
Go ZEN GO!!!
might as well since I have been accused on this thread of stalking and harassing people.
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Yeah, it is theWho. Syntax and all.
Sorry, its not me trolling you. I was involved when it all went down but I am just sitting back watching this one. Reminds me of the old "TheWho" thread which hosted many a trolling war in its time, similar to this one.
Check with psy, if he has the time, he knows my IP and I log in through "Proxify" because I cant log in through my own IP. He can verify I am not in this. I only dislike people for a short period of time, then I get over it.
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Yeah, it is theWho. Syntax and all.
Sorry, its not me trolling you. I was involved when it all went down but I am just sitting back watching this one. Reminds me of the old "TheWho" thread which hosted many a trolling war in its time, similar to this one.
Check with psy, if he has the time, he knows my IP and I log in through "Proxify" because I cant log in through my own IP. He can verify I am not in this. I only dislike people for a short period of time, then I get over it.
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Holy shit! No, I can't believe he... :D :D :D :D TheWho's never been known to lie, has he? Since you were forced to proxy up, the anon trolling by this particular freak started. "Ya" know what I mean?
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Yeah, it is theWho. Syntax and all.
Sorry, its not me trolling you. I was involved when it all went down but I am just sitting back watching this one. Reminds me of the old "TheWho" thread which hosted many a trolling war in its time, similar to this one.
Check with psy, if he has the time, he knows my IP and I log in through "Proxify" because I cant log in through my own IP. He can verify I am not in this. I only dislike people for a short period of time, then I get over it.
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Holy shit! No, I can't believe he... :D :D :D :D TheWho's never been known to lie, has he? Since you were forced to proxy up, the anon trolling by this particular freak started. "Ya" know what I mean?
He's lying now. He hasn't been "watching this one" - Who, I've still got the PM PSY sent to you, CCM, and myself telling you to end your shit. He had some vicious quotes from previous PM's you sent him. It was obvious you've had a hand in this. You might want to change your post, but I've already grabbed it for posterity so it can be "quoted for truth". Like you do.
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I try not to stay angry at people for too long either. It's a waste of energy. But, why is it people think it's okay for Zen to treat me the way he does calling me names, and such? Then if I say even the smallest smart ass comment towards him in retaliation they flip out? Now what's up with that?!!!
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He's lying now. He hasn't been "watching this one" - Who, I've still got the PM PSY sent to you, CCM, and myself telling you to end your shit. He had some vicious quotes from previous PM's you sent him. It was obvious you've had a hand in this. You might want to change your post, but I've already grabbed it for posterity so it can be "quoted for truth". Like you do.
All you have to do is check. Ask psy to scan the IP's to see if it is me or point out the posts you think are mine and ask psy to verify if they are the Proxify IP or my base IP, Fairly simple. Psy asked me to drop it in a PM he sent me and I havent been involved since.
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I try not to stay angry at people for too long either. It's a waste of energy. But, why is it people think it's okay for Zen to treat me the way he does calling me names, and such? Then if I say even the smallest smart ass comment towards him in retaliation they flip out? Now what's up with that?!!!
If anyone "flipped out" about comments made by you, it was because you were making them to Zen's kid when she tried to ask you questions. Maybe you can't help yourself, but you come off as a terse, brittle and bitchy. And ya have a history of caustic comments, unprovoked and aimed at survivors who disagreed with you. Do you and theWho work together or what? You always tag team when you hit the forum.
In your words, I am a lying fucking bitch who is just god awful! You hope someone posts my information for real?!! That's not very nice. What will that accomplish? I haven't done anything to anyone.
Nah, she's a saint. I hate to blow yer martyr charade.
Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
:roll:
You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
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I try not to stay angry at people for too long either. It's a waste of energy. But, why is it people think it's okay for Zen to treat me the way he does calling me names, and such? Then if I say even the smallest smart ass comment towards him in retaliation they flip out? Now what's up with that?!!!
No , I can see your point, I would be pissed too if it kept coming up. Zen is trying to pull me back into it. I think he enjoys the attention, but I am going to continue to sit this one out.
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I try not to stay angry at people for too long either. It's a waste of energy. But, why is it people think it's okay for Zen to treat me the way he does calling me names, and such? Then if I say even the smallest smart ass comment towards him in retaliation they flip out? Now what's up with that?!!!
No , I can see your point, I would be pissed too if it kept coming up. Zen is trying to pull me back into it. I think he enjoys the attention, but I am going to continue to sit this one out.
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Two primadonna bitches. Sounds like you've been up to your eyeballs and don't want anyone to know. zen, post the pm with the dickhead's old messages.
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So, Who should just sit on his hands while you are accusing him of trolling? He had actually respected Psy's wishes, and stopped posting on this topic. He has stayed true to his word since he has only really responded to the part that pertains to him. Not any of the other drama. At least not yet!
Also, Zen's daughter could PM me if she wanted, and she hasn't. Someone saying they were her on here invited me over to their house for coffee, and cake out on the open forum?!!!! I simply just replied I was more of a tea, and crumpet kind of gal. Zen was saying something to her about making sure that she used poison in her recipe if, and when I/we came over??? I'm getting the impression that Zen is not the nicest guy in the world if he is telling his step-daughter to poison me/and other guests?!!
BTW, to whomever created that collage of my rudest/meanest posts (I'm still not sure if those are all true, and correct, but whatever!), can you spend some time on Zen? I think it would be interesting for people to see a parent attacking a survivor like me, and all of you on here that are advocates of sorts for program survivors like myself thinking this is just fine, and dandy!!!!
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So, Who should just sit on his hands while you are accusing him of trolling? He had actually respected Psy's wishes, and stopped posting on this topic. He has stayed true to his word since he has only really responded to the part that pertains to him. Not any of the other drama. At least not yet!
You lie. Who lies.
Also, Zen's daughter could PM me if she wanted, and she hasn't.
See above. Why would she?
Someone saying they were her on here invited me over to their house for coffee, and cake out on the open forum?!!!! I simply just replied I was more of a tea, and crumpet kind of gal. Zen was saying something to her about making sure that she used poison in her recipe if, and when I/we came over??? I'm getting the impression that Zen is not the nicest guy in the world if he is telling his step-daughter to poison me/and other guests?!!
You're a narcissistic drama queen and a slag. Considering what you put that kid through, she'd be well within her rights to dust you.
BTW, to whomever created that collage of my rudest/meanest posts (I'm still not sure if those are all true, and correct, but whatever!), can you spend some time on Zen? I think it would be interesting for people to see a parent attacking a survivor like me, and all of you on here that are advocates of sorts for program survivors like myself thinking this is just fine, and dandy!!!!
:D You do hate that list, don't you? "Oh, a survivor like me!" Poor, venomous snake. You give out far worse than you ever get. You call other program survivors liars, and you contradict yourself by acting like a bitch to aenagent's daughter. Ish't she a survivor, or does she not count as human to you? Obviously you view her as fodder for abuse.
Make your own damned collage, you hog-like slag. Your mama don't work here.
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ccmgirl's evil is collected, and she automatically wants one on zen? why him, ccm? you're always saying your a whipping post around here, and what are you doing to zen? I don't see tht he made that collection.
You really are a nasty person, ccm. I did feel sorry for you until you got so melodramatic. You made fun of that girl directly after she's been torn up by this other poster. If it is not you, you do enjoy it. you and who both are sadistic. you're a little over the top, don't you think?
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Lying about it "never existing" implies lying about what was up originally, as does the conflicting stories about what he knows and posted about ccm.
What he knows is none of your damn business. Her name and address was never posted.
I didn’t post photos I don’t know how to.
You and CCMgirl have the same lack of skill, huh? If you know how to play with the links, you know how to post pictures.
Zen posted her info—which he got somehow. Then deleted the post. That’s what happened. Do you want the same done to you?
Well, no harm no foul I guess. Sure. Shit, you don't even know how zenagent got her info? You don't even know if he had her info. I imagine zenagent would like the same done to him, go ahead and delete his kid's personal info.
Are you saying any quote is made up, Zen?
zenagent hasn't been on this thread in a while, although you certainly are all dewy for him. Get over him, sweetpea, he's ignoring you. For all we know, you're zenagent pretending to be a stupid and sloppy troll.
I'm saying you make shit up. Psy says you made shit up. If you don't even trust the admins, you're shitting against the wall here, sunshine.
(also, i don't keep bringing this up, other's do, and I respond to the b.s and lies)
A lil' one man/woman jihad, huh? You create the b.s. and lies, and you're looking dumber by the minute. How's binnis at your program, love nugget?
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Yeah, it is theWho. Syntax and all.
You posted this:
Post a picture of her. Oh wait...
Then this:
Don't post her picture, she’s so nasty her house is quarantined
399 east drive
Oak ridge tn 37830
865 481 3383
100 Broadway ave. apt 119 oak ridge tn 37830
When you couldn't find the pictures of my daughter to post again, you got angry and posted this:
ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
Follow the times.
IMAGE HOSTING IS DOWN. You are a troll. Damn, you've had me on your mind all weekend. I didn't think about you. YOU ARE A TROLL.
How am I lying? You're the one doctoring up posts, trying to put up pictures of survivors, and then you get all sniffy when you're denied the chance to abuse a survivor.
Again:
Do you any of the above quotes have been altered?
1. Yes. The highlighted line in red (above post) was never in the original here (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=309736#p309736) (febuary post), which, as you can also see, has not been modified as there is no modificiation tag*.
2. Even if such a line was there (which it wasn't, since the post I linked to above wasn't modified), all it would show is that Zen posted CCM's first name, Miranda, which was public knowledge (something that she published on antiWWASP and on her myspace page, available by googling her username). If the line you inserted (forged) is accurate (which it's not since the post was not modified), all it would show is that zen threatened to out CCM, but did not actually do so (and none of that even shows he even had her info).
3. Even if Zen did out CCM by providing her full name, (which he did not do, and could not have done, as detailed above), there was no harm done, as not even CCM can provide evidence that she was harmed.
I am addressing this now as I did before the server crash and that post was lost (All posts between March 10th and about June 10th). I will not address this again. Rather I will quote this post.
*modifications made within 5 mins of posting are not recorded. However. See point 2.
And again, the only link to any survivor's personal info on the Fornits Forum:
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=312559#p312559)
Posted by you. Get some therapy.
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LINES ARE BEING DRAWN!!!
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You guys are funny. When you talk about my family like that it's almost like I'm back at the village. I can only do the same thing I did there and just let myself be tickled by such demeaning comments. It's that ridiculous.
I won't be dropping by again any time soon, so I'll just say thanks for your opinions and leave it at that.
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You guys are funny. When you talk about my family like that it's almost like I'm back at the village. I can only do the same thing I did there and just let myself be tickled by such demeaning comments. It's that ridiculous.
I won't be dropping by again any time soon, so I'll just say thanks for your opinions and leave it at that.
For ccm it's likely she feels like she's back in wwasp when zen hunts down her personal info and uses it to humiliate, control and hurt her, abusing his (minor) authority and responsibility. But that doesn't matter, right? The constant disrespect towards survivors and the lack of security is why very few "drop in" here anymore. Yeah, ridiculous
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So, Who should just sit on his hands while you are accusing him of trolling? He had actually respected Psy's wishes, and stopped posting on this topic. He has stayed true to his word since he has only really responded to the part that pertains to him. Not any of the other drama. At least not yet!
You lie. Who lies.
Also, Zen's daughter could PM me if she wanted, and she hasn't.
See above. Why would she?
Someone saying they were her on here invited me over to their house for coffee, and cake out on the open forum?!!!! I simply just replied I was more of a tea, and crumpet kind of gal. Zen was saying something to her about making sure that she used poison in her recipe if, and when I/we came over??? I'm getting the impression that Zen is not the nicest guy in the world if he is telling his step-daughter to poison me/and other guests?!!
You're a narcissistic drama queen and a slag. Considering what you put that kid through, she'd be well within her rights to dust you.
BTW, to whomever created that collage of my rudest/meanest posts (I'm still not sure if those are all true, and correct, but whatever!), can you spend some time on Zen? I think it would be interesting for people to see a parent attacking a survivor like me, and all of you on here that are advocates of sorts for program survivors like myself thinking this is just fine, and dandy!!!!
:D You do hate that list, don't you? "Oh, a survivor like me!" Poor, venomous snake. You give out far worse than you ever get. You call other program survivors liars, and you contradict yourself by acting like a bitch to aenagent's daughter. Ish't she a survivor, or does she not count as human to you? Obviously you view her as fodder for abuse.
Make your own damned collage, you hog-like slag. Your mama don't work here.
Self righteous, unself-aware sociopath ^^
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I don't think anyone really cares all that much about this here drama.
::deadhorse::
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Yeah, it is theWho. Syntax and all.
You posted this:
Post a picture of her. Oh wait...
Then this:
Don't post her picture, she’s so nasty her house is quarantined
399 east drive
Oak ridge tn 37830
865 481 3383
100 Broadway ave. apt 119 oak ridge tn 37830
When you couldn't find the pictures of my daughter to post again, you got angry and posted this:
ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.
Follow the times.
IMAGE HOSTING IS DOWN. You are a troll. Damn, you've had me on your mind all weekend. I didn't think about you. YOU ARE A TROLL.
How am I lying? You're the one doctoring up posts, trying to put up pictures of survivors, and then you get all sniffy when you're denied the chance to abuse a survivor.
Again:
Do you any of the above quotes have been altered?
1. Yes. The highlighted line in red (above post) was never in the original here (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=309736#p309736) (febuary post), which, as you can also see, has not been modified as there is no modificiation tag*.
2. Even if such a line was there (which it wasn't, since the post I linked to above wasn't modified), all it would show is that Zen posted CCM's first name, Miranda, which was public knowledge (something that she published on antiWWASP and on her myspace page, available by googling her username). If the line you inserted (forged) is accurate (which it's not since the post was not modified), all it would show is that zen threatened to out CCM, but did not actually do so (and none of that even shows he even had her info).
3. Even if Zen did out CCM by providing her full name, (which he did not do, and could not have done, as detailed above), there was no harm done, as not even CCM can provide evidence that she was harmed.
I am addressing this now as I did before the server crash and that post was lost (All posts between March 10th and about June 10th). I will not address this again. Rather I will quote this post.
*modifications made within 5 mins of posting are not recorded. However. See point 2.
And again, the only link to any survivor's personal info on the Fornits Forum:
http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559 (http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=312559#p312559)
Posted by you. Get some therapy.
No. Those quotes aren’t mine. No quotes I posted were “doctored.”
Anyway… are you’re saying there was no “original” post, though you detail this post, here (?):
Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum. Dont you have any boundaries? Dont give me the crap that it was already public. If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.
http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123)
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
You didn’t delete that “original” post?
If not, where’s this post in which *according to you,* you posted ccm’s “name,” her “husband’s first name” and “state,” the post which only you “and thewho saw,” that you say you are going to “delete”?
Just curious…
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Just stupid, more likely. Post a link where he admits to putting up full info, or a link to where he actually does. Nowhere does he say he posted anyone's full info. You do. No one knows who you are, and you put WAY too much faith in THE WHO. No one can even follow the BS you're laying down, it's becoming a bit too esoteric and geared toward the tin beanie crowd. You look like a freek. PM this shit to Zen or post it in free for all. This thread is not germane to anything other than personal bullshit. :sue:
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That’s “freak,” wunderkind. Since this is too “esoteric” for you, I’ll explain, simple-like:
The reason Zen won’t link to the “original post” (that he admitted existed, then said never existed) is he DELETED it. For that reason, no one can link to it.
In that post, he put ALL of ccm’s personal info—a cruelty signified by his changing stories about what he posted, and his unwillingness to account for the post’s disappearance and his contradictions..
That’s “germane” if you don’t want people running this forum outing survivors because of “personal bullshit” (by abusing their powers), and if you don’t want to be outed next.
Or show you didn’t delete the post, Zen—the post for which you apologized—and about which you pointed out “notice I left a lot of blanks,” by linking to it
CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above. (http://http)
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too. Not enough info to threaten your privacy. You know I didn't post the pics. Again, I apologize.
Or, hell, Zen, tell Psy where it USED to be located so Psy can see what was REALLY written
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That’s “freak,” wunderkind. Since this is too “esoteric” for you, I’ll explain, simple-like:
The reason Zen won’t link to the “original post” (that he admitted existed, then said never existed) is he DELETED it. For that reason, no one can link to it.
In that post, he put ALL of ccm’s personal info—a cruelty signified by his changing stories about what he posted, and his unwillingness to account for the post’s disappearance and his contradictions..
That’s “germane” if you don’t want people running this forum outing survivors because of “personal bullshit” (by abusing their powers), and if you don’t want to be outed next.
Or show you didn’t delete the post, Zen—the post for which you apologized—and about which you pointed out “notice I left a lot of blanks,” by linking to it
Oh my GOD! Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.
Seriously, everyone is so goddamn sick of this shit. YOU are the only one who's bitching about it. YOU are the only one who cares. Fucking GIVE IT UP!!! Goddamn man. Get a fucking hobby or something. This obsession with Zen is really starting to become unhealthy.
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That’s “freak,” wunderkind. Since this is too “esoteric” for you, I’ll explain, simple-like:
Not if you're a Keller Williams fan, then it is "freek". I know what you're talking about, but the people you're trying to scare away? They're going to think you're a nutter. Nutter, English slang for insane person, and you are indeed out there on the lunatic fringe. WAY the fuck out there. The time has passed for this. You find things well enough, no one's going to go on what amounts to a snipe hunt (that's a wild goose chase, wunderkind) for you. You are the self-appointed prosecutor on Fornits, the burden of proof is on you. Quit begging Zen. If you can't find whatever it is that seems to be your Holy Grail, then don't bother the rest of us. Go bother the Masons, the Rosicrucians, the Scientologists...
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Masons
:- I'm glad I didn't join this bunch like old gramps wanted me to! I'd hate to have this gal after me!
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Oh my GOD! Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.
Seriously, everyone is so goddamn sick of this shit. YOU are the only one who's bitching about it. YOU are the only one who cares. Fucking GIVE IT UP!!! Goddamn man. Get a fucking hobby or something. This obsession with Zen is really starting to become unhealthy.
This’ll be a shock, but you don’t decide about what one can say. Yes, I care that a survivor was outed for sadistic fun by a mod(through abuse of power) who is in a position to do it to another person
Not if you're a Keller Williams fan, then it is "freek". I know what you're talking about, but the people you're trying to scare away? They're going to think you're a nutter. Nutter, English slang for insane person, and you are indeed out there on the lunatic fringe. WAY the fuck out there. The time has passed for this. You find things well enough, no one's going to go on what amounts to a snipe hunt (that's a wild goose chase, wunderkind) for you. You are the self-appointed prosecutor on Fornits, the burden of proof is on you. Quit begging Zen. If you can't find whatever it is that seems to be your Holy Grail, then don't bother the rest of us. Go bother the Masons, the Rosicrucians, the Scientologists...
Freeker
I’m not familiar with “Keller Williams.” “Freek’s” generally used positively; “freak:” negatively, slang-wise. But, since your interest is stopping examinations of topics which make you uncomfortable through verbal abuse, exact meaning is secondary, I’m sure.
In regards to “burden of proof,” this ain’t a court of law, and if the Zen didn’t delete the post he talks about below, why not simply link to it and prove that he doesn’t abuse survivors? Aww, hell, the answer’s obvious.
CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too. Not enough info to threaten your privacy. You know I didn't post the pics. Again, I apologize.
Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post. Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.
Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.
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Oh my GOD! Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.
Seriously, everyone is so goddamn sick of this shit. YOU are the only one who's bitching about it. YOU are the only one who cares. Fucking GIVE IT UP!!! Goddamn man. Get a fucking hobby or something. This obsession with Zen is really starting to become unhealthy.
This’ll be a shock, but you don’t decide about what one can say. Yes, I care that a survivor was outed for sadistic fun by a mod(through abuse of power) who is in a position to do it to another person
Not if you're a Keller Williams fan, then it is "freek". I know what you're talking about, but the people you're trying to scare away? They're going to think you're a nutter. Nutter, English slang for insane person, and you are indeed out there on the lunatic fringe. WAY the fuck out there. The time has passed for this. You find things well enough, no one's going to go on what amounts to a snipe hunt (that's a wild goose chase, wunderkind) for you. You are the self-appointed prosecutor on Fornits, the burden of proof is on you. Quit begging Zen. If you can't find whatever it is that seems to be your Holy Grail, then don't bother the rest of us. Go bother the Masons, the Rosicrucians, the Scientologists...
Freeker
I’m not familiar with “Keller Williams.” “Freek’s” generally used positively; “freak:” negatively, slang-wise. But, since your interest is stopping examinations of topics which make you uncomfortable through verbal abuse, exact meaning is secondary, I’m sure.
In regards to “burden of proof,” this ain’t a court of law, and if the Zen didn’t delete the post he talks about below, why not simply link to it and prove that he doesn’t abuse survivors? Aww, hell, the answer’s obvious.
CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too. Not enough info to threaten your privacy. You know I didn't post the pics. Again, I apologize.
Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post. Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.
Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.
Shut the fuck up!
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CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
I'm the poster who signed in as "moderate" I was only trying to fuck with theWho, not Zen. You trolls ran with it. Zen never posted shit about Cc
No, troll: YOU ALTERED MY POST!!!! Shit, I never expected a joke to be taken so far.
The original I made up:
http://fornits.com/smf/viewtopic.php?f= ... 50#p309739 (http://fornits.com/smf/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25362&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=150#p309739)
CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics. He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted. CCM spent four years locked away in programs - almost her entire adolescence - she has earned her right to an opinion on this industry without threats. Here is yet another fornits moderator resorting to heavy handed tactics and threats to reform the discussion to their liking. Wonder why people feel unsafe posting here?
I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?
See how I provided my actual link?
IDIOT TROLL! Proof once and for all you know that zen never posted shit. I know, because I posted the "name deleted", etc. bullshit.
Zen, I apologize. I only wanted to take the piss out of theWho. Never expected the PV shitheads to troll the livin' bejesus out of it or post your kid's info and your address. Think about it, who else would have your address and phone # at their fingertips?
I'm truly sorry to Siobhan and the family. I can't believe this snowballed. And PV trolls, you can burn in hell, douche bags. Don't try to make up shit to discredit people who are exposing the kid torture camp you run.
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Well that settles that, then. ::poke::
Still, I suspect this asshole will never quit trying. ::deadhorse::
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Everybody who is ever going to read this thread has already read it.
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NO.
the guy's a survior abusin' menace, who makes us look like dishinest nuts
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NO.
the guy's a survior abusin' menace, who makes us look like dishinest nuts
And you're a fucking douche that can't type or spell. Fuck off, eat shit, and DIE. NOW.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25408&p=317257#p317257 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25408&p=317257#p317257)
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the guy's a survior abusin' menace, who makes us look like dishinest nuts
And you're a fucking douche that can't type or spell. Fuck off, eat shit, and DIE. NOW.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25408&p=317257#p317257 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25408&p=317257#p317257)
If you go warm and fuzzy believing each guest posting on this subject is the same, go for it.
However, because you don’t have my personal info, unlike CCM, your no-brow insults and threats aren’t effective behavior modifiers. They serve only to reflect poorly on you. Why are you so angry?
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However, because you don’t have my personal info, unlike CCM, your no-brow insults and threats aren’t effective behavior modifiers.
Hate to piss on your party, but you can be found. You can run, but you can't hide.
But for now--- let's bring on the ABUSE!!!!
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Hate to piss on your party, but you can be found. You can run, but you can't hide.
But for now--- let's bring on the ABUSE!!!!
I'd like to inject some liquidity into the abuse market.
This goes out to all the dipshit program parents who are still, somehow, in the audience:
Your lives are meaningless, your beliefs are trite. You thought that imprisoning your kid in some hellhole (that could get them nominated for President, if only it was in Vietnam) would somehow help them or make them respect you. The result, of course, is that not only does your kid have no more respect for you than a bulldozer does a daffodil, the rest of the nation has recognized your petty brutality for what it is, leaving you alone and friendless, dead to society, another nutcase to pack away in some forgotten corner of some Section 8 housing. (Feel good about taking that second mortgage NOW, cunt? LOL)
Only one option remains for you: Swallow a gun. And when I say swallow I mean SWALLOW, with three full inches of hot, warm barrel blowing a load of .45 down your throat. I'd like to see you spit THAT, bitch.
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I don't know that anyone still cares about this, but in my opinion, no. I that girl's info up.
I'm posting something I wrote in a different thread here, as people are going on about it here.
I also don't think that the other person who outed the other girl should be allowed here. and that people's address's should be left up.
If u want to use a forum that isn't insane, check out cafety , or fica, or antiwwasp
Oh noes. Each time I visit thefornits farm this shit’s still gettin shoveled.
Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......!
I WAS honest.
Read above, CCM - your Jesus friend admitted I used blanks for your info.
To God loves us all - you did admit I used blanks to disguise this woman's identity, and I get the feeling that still upset you. I appreciate your honesty in setting the record straight about CCM's info not being posted in full, as she and Who claimed..
I’ve gotta say: as I saw you out CCM, ZA, I’m offended to see you call her, a survivor, a liar.
You did post CCM & husband’s full name & address: U were squabbling w/who about something. Later, u edited out part of her info, the edit is what “God is all” quoted.
“God is all” does NOT verify that when he quoted you, you “used blanks to hide her identity.” He did NOT verify you just posted her first name, state, and “blanks,” which is what you’ve claimed. (Sometimes claimed, anyway) He verifies that in your post you effectively outed her, and that your quote that you've claimed is doctored, is factual.
“God” verifies this—
Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks, the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd.
I’m not sure why you chime in with accounts of what you did. Your accounts have been shown fraudulent to the point they are meaningless: You said “god is all’s” quote of you extorting CCM, was a “fiction” and it couldn’t be found because it “never existed.”
Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof". After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to a search for some "other" phantom post. If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it? CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, [r]until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.[/r]
So there was no "deleted" post, and the post that keeps coming up has been investigated by Psy and identified as the fiction of some anonymous troll.
The “witch hunt” for the “phantom post” was the search for your post that “god” quoted—which you deleted, & claimed never existed and was a fraud.
Alternatively, you claimed to have put non-privacy disturbing info up about CCM, Not true, disproved by "god," and not what u r claiming to have posted now.
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The only correct first name used was CCM's - I made one up for her husband, and her address is unknown to me.
Or, this
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
I wish you'd cut de crap. And if I see you or an admin saying a survivor “lied” about any experience, which I can personally corroborate, I’ll post a corrective.Sorry. It’s funny. You can believe a survivor over a program parent about anything
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^^ Wacko job stirring the pot. ignore.
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I simply just replied I was more into teabagging, and a strumpet kind of gal.
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How can you let someone who works here out a survivor for a trollgasm, Antigen, Psy, Vodka?
I don’t like seeing fornits turn into CAICA.
And that’s the last I’ll say 'bout this.
anon
Oh noes. Each time I visit thefornits farm this shit’s still gettin shoveled.
Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......!
I WAS honest.
Read above, CCM - your Jesus friend admitted I used blanks for your info.
To God loves us all - you did admit I used blanks to disguise this woman's identity, and I get the feeling that still upset you. I appreciate your honesty in setting the record straight about CCM's info not being posted in full, as she and Who claimed..
I’ve gotta say: as I saw you out CCM, ZA, I’m offended to see you call her, a survivor, a liar.
You did post CCM & husband’s full name & address: U were squabbling w/who about something. Later, u edited out part of her info, the edit is what “God is all” quoted.
“God is all” does NOT verify that when he quoted you, you “used blanks to hide her identity.” He did NOT verify you just posted her first name, state, and “blanks,” which is what you’ve claimed. (Sometimes claimed, anyway) He verifies that in your post you effectively outed her, and that your quote that you've claimed is doctored, is factual.
“God” verifies this—
Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks, the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd.
I’m not sure why you chime in with accounts of what you did. Your accounts have been shown fraudulent to the point they are meaningless: You said “god is all’s” quote of you extorting CCM, was a “fiction” and it couldn’t be found because it “never existed.”
Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof". After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to a search for some "other" phantom post. If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it? CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, [r]until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.[/r]
So there was no "deleted" post, and the post that keeps coming up has been investigated by Psy and identified as the fiction of some anonymous troll.
The “witch hunt” for the “phantom post” was the search for your post that “god” quoted—which you deleted, & claimed never existed and was a fraud.
Alternatively, you claimed to have put non-privacy disturbing info up about CCM, Not true, disproved by "god," and not what u r claiming to have posted now.
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The only correct first name used was CCM's - I made one up for her husband, and her address is unknown to me.
Or, this
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
I wish you'd cut de crap. And if I see you or an admin saying a survivor “lied” about any experience, which I can personally corroborate, I’ll post a corrective.Sorry. It’s funny. You can believe a survivor over a program parent about anything
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How can you let someone who works here out a survivor for a trollgasm, Antigen, Psy, Vodka?
I don’t like seeing fornits turn into CAICA.
And that’s the last I’ll say 'bout this.
anon
Oh noes. Each time I visit thefornits farm this shit’s still gettin shoveled.
Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......!
I WAS honest.
Read above, CCM - your Jesus friend admitted I used blanks for your info.
To God loves us all - you did admit I used blanks to disguise this woman's identity, and I get the feeling that still upset you. I appreciate your honesty in setting the record straight about CCM's info not being posted in full, as she and Who claimed..
I’ve gotta say: as I saw you out CCM, ZA, I’m offended to see you call her, a survivor, a liar.
You did post CCM & husband’s full name & address: U were squabbling w/who about something. Later, u edited out part of her info, the edit is what “God is all” quoted.
“God is all” does NOT verify that when he quoted you, you “used blanks to hide her identity.” He did NOT verify you just posted her first name, state, and “blanks,” which is what you’ve claimed. (Sometimes claimed, anyway) He verifies that in your post you effectively outed her, and that your quote that you've claimed is doctored, is factual.
“God” verifies this—
Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks, the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd.
I’m not sure why you chime in with accounts of what you did. Your accounts have been shown fraudulent to the point they are meaningless: You said “god is all’s” quote of you extorting CCM, was a “fiction” and it couldn’t be found because it “never existed.”
Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof". After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to a search for some "other" phantom post. If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it? CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, [r]until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.[/r]
So there was no "deleted" post, and the post that keeps coming up has been investigated by Psy and identified as the fiction of some anonymous troll.
The “witch hunt” for the “phantom post” was the search for your post that “god” quoted—which you deleted, & claimed never existed and was a fraud.
Alternatively, you claimed to have put non-privacy disturbing info up about CCM, Not true, disproved by "god," and not what u r claiming to have posted now.
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The only correct first name used was CCM's - I made one up for her husband, and her address is unknown to me.
Or, this
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
I wish you'd cut de crap. And if I see you or an admin saying a survivor “lied” about any experience, which I can personally corroborate, I’ll post a corrective.Sorry. It’s funny. You can believe a survivor over a program parent about anything
Fornits isn't a survivor site. It's an open forum where anything is allowed, including mods outing survivors. That's important for naive survviors to be wise to.
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Soon you will once again fear us and nobody will care about your lies. blab all you want. Nobody is buying bullshit today. We're about to burn your whole fucking industry to the ground.
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i think we should make Zen an Admin.
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I need hep ladies and gentlemens!
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"help" delivered.
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Soon you will once again fear us and nobody will care about your lies. blab all you want. Nobody is buying bullshit today. We're about to burn your whole fucking industry to the ground.
CCM says ZA outed her. So do other survivors who've conacted you. They work for the industry? It's clear what happened when you read through the strings. Don't believe your own eyes?
I thought a SURVIVOR you trusted told you what ZA did and you were going to stop betraying survivors. It bothers me watching you lie & hurt a survivor. You are political in the worst sence of the word
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Is TheWho back?
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Is TheWho back?
Che agreed to end "TheWho" personality because it was causing division. There's a thread about it in the secret forum.
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shush you.. No squealing about my alternate personalities.
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Is TheWho back?
Che agreed to end "TheWho" personality because it was causing division. There's a thread about it in the secret forum.
you're a lying troll. There's no such thing as a secret forum. pics or it never happened. you are a troll targeting vocal critics of the troubled teen industry.
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Don’t be worrited about Aaron, it’s Kevin that’s the concern. He outed a mentally vulnerable survivor for laughs. He lied about it and got caught lying a million times.
He has never apologized for what he did. No one knows how he got her info. His friend said he used google bootlian strings. I think he he got her info from her IP & used other info she wrote on a survivor site to fill in the blanks. He runs a forum here. He can see your IP. Supposely psy fixed it so that he can’t see ips, but then psy said Kevin didn’t out her until a survivor sacrificed their anonymity to tell him what happened. He lied for Kevin all that time even through what he did was obvious when you read through the threads. So maybe this evil survivor abuser can see your IP, use bootlian strings and out you too. Fun times
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He has never apologized for what he did. No one knows how he got her info. His friend said he used google bootlian strings. I think he he got her info from her IP & used other info she wrote on a survivor site to fill in the blanks. He runs a forum here. He can see your IP. Supposely psy fixed it so that he can’t see ips, but then psy said Kevin didn’t out her until a survivor sacrificed their anonymity to tell him what happened. He lied for Kevin all that time even through what he did was obvious when you read through the threads. So maybe this evil survivor abuser can see your IP, use bootlian strings and out you too. Fun times
What?? Kevin runs a forum here??? News to me....don't think so.
Oh, and it's "boolean" strings not "bootlian" strings.
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He has never apologized for what he did. No one knows how he got her info. His friend said he used google bootlian strings. I think he he got her info from her IP & used other info she wrote on a survivor site to fill in the blanks. He runs a forum here. He can see your IP. Supposely psy fixed it so that he can’t see ips, but then psy said Kevin didn’t out her until a survivor sacrificed their anonymity to tell him what happened. He lied for Kevin all that time even through what he did was obvious when you read through the threads. So maybe this evil survivor abuser can see your IP, use bootlian strings and out you too. Fun times
What?? Kevin runs a forum here??? News to me....don't think so.
Oh, and it's "boolean" strings not "bootlian" strings.
he runs the can forum, pv. Right?
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he runs the can forum, pv. Right?
Really?? Man....if that's true, this place has gone WAY downhill.
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Didn't psy rig it so mods couldn't see personal info anymore?
Mods can't see IP info or anything like that. It's been like that since we switched to SMF (@trolls: changed before Zen became a moderator)
Can moderators see ips now?
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onDidn't psy rig it so mods couldn't see personal info anymore?
Mods can't see IP info or anything like that. It's been like that since we switched to SMF (@trolls: changed before Zen became a moderator)
Can moderators see ips now?
NO.
Regarding the rest of this thread: don't believe everything you read on the internet, kids. Guests (and registered users for that matter) can be anybody and write anything as "anybody". Be careful who you trust, as with any other venue in life.