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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anne Bonney on March 06, 2008, 11:35:11 AM
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2 ... lice-case/ (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/06/simple-kiss-at-school-may-morph-into-police-case/)
Simple kiss at school may morph into criminal investigation
By Jeff Kass, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 12:30 a.m., March 6, 2008
Public officials called it "nutty" and "foolishness" Wednesday morning, and one asked whether SWAT teams would now descend on teenagers kissing at school.
The Denver district attorney calls one such case a crime.
The difference between a kiss, and a crime, centers on the requirement that Denver Public Schools employees "make a report if child abuse or neglect reasonably is suspected."
But a meeting Wednesday of the City Council Safety Committee indicated that a climate of fear among DPS employees is spurring an unwarranted increase in abuse and neglect referrals. The head of Human Services indicated the agency was being overloaded, and there was concern about police resources.
"It's just getting to the point of ridiculousness where we're prosecuting kids for kissing," Councilman Doug Linkhart, who chairs the Safety Committee, said after the meeting.
Much of Wednesday's discussion involved issues of sexual harassment. Among the examples cited Wednesday was a referral to Human Services for two 5-year-olds who were kissing. In another case, one 6-year-old said to another 6-year-old, "You have a sexy booty."
There was no sanction in the case of the 6-year-old, but it remains a traumatic experience for children and their parents to be "ordered in" to Human Services, said spokeswoman Benilda Samuels.
Safety committee discussion indicated the trigger for these and other cases came in January when the district attorney served Skinner Middle School principal Nicole Veltze with a misdemeanor summons for failure to report an unlawful sexual contact.
Veltze was investigating the case, but in the meantime, the girl's mom notified police, said Rich Caschette, Veltze's attorney. Police and the district attorney are making an example out of Veltze because they believe DPS is underreporting crimes, Caschette added.
After the Veltze case was filed, Chief Deputy District Attorney Lamar Sims attended a training with DPS principals about the requirement to report child abuse or neglect. Linkhart indicated that Sims further prompted employees to overreport.
In February, Human Services said it received 251 referrals from DPS. Previously, the monthly average was 142, Samuels said. That's a 76.7 percent increase.
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:-* ::unhappy::
::OMG::
::puke::
This is beyond absurd. There is only one country on the planet where shit this petty is made into such a big deal.
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6-year-old boy suspended for toy Nerf gun at school
DENVER - Anthony Saenz just wanted to play cops and robbers with his favorite toy from home. So he pulled out a bright orange and yellow Nerf gun on the McGlone Elementary playground.
"I had a phone call from the school saying that my son got suspended for taking a toy gun to school," said Lorraine Romero, mother of the kindergarten student. "He's just a kid. He doesn't know any better."
Anthony was suspended for one day for taking a facsimile of a gun to school. Apparently, he snuck it into his backpack Wednesday morning.
Romero knows it was wrong, but she doesn't believe the punishment fits the crime.
"I don't think he should have gotten suspended for that," Romero said. "I think they should have just talked to him about it and say, 'Hey, you know you're not supposed to bring any toys to school.'"
Principal Candice Reese says she was just following Denver Public Schools' discipline policy, which was changed from a "zero tolerance" stance last year.
"It's not too harsh of a punishment and we want to make sure all of our students are safe," Reese said.
In 2009, the zero tolerance policies were changed after case involving a Cherokee Trails High School student. Marie Morrow is a member of the Young Marines and she had her drill team rifle in her car in a school parking lot. Initially, Morrow was expelled, but that was eventually reduced to a suspension and she returned to school.
Morrow's case led to the passage of a state law which gives school districts discretion over which incidents to administer punishment instead of mandatory expulsion or suspension.
Reese says the one-day suspension of Anthony is appropriate.
"As a principal in the building, and staff members too, we serve as the parents of the children. So our role is to take care of all of the students that are in our building," Reese said.
Anthony and his mother plan on visiting the principal Friday morning in anticipation of the boy being allowed back into his kindergarten class.
"He's not a trouble maker. To tell you the truth, he's a very good kid," Romero said.
He's a kid who, Romero says, learned his lesson about bringing toys to school.
"When I was in the office, I was sad, because I didn't want to get in trouble," Anthony said.
(KUSA-TV © 2010 Multimedia Holdings Corporation)
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There's a 2:21 video news clip at the link below. Here's some other pertinent info for the above article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&p=382676#p382669):
9news.com · Colorado's News Leader
6-year-old boy suspended for toy gun at school (http://http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=156961&catid=339)
Nelson Garcia · 3 hrs ago
(http://http://www.9news.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=204&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/101007083700_10-07-10-nerf-gun1.jpg)
(http://http://www.9news.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=204&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/101007083710_10-07-10-nerf-gun2.jpg)
(KUSA-TV © 2010 Multimedia Holdings Corporation)
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There's a 2:21 video news clip at the link below. Here's some other pertinent info for the above article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&p=382676#p382669):
9news.com · Colorado's News Leader
6-year-old boy suspended for toy gun at school (http://http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=156961&catid=339)
Nelson Garcia · 3 hrs ago
(http://http://www.9news.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=204&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/101007083700_10-07-10-nerf-gun1.jpg)
(http://http://www.9news.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=204&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/101007083710_10-07-10-nerf-gun2.jpg)
(KUSA-TV © 2010 Multimedia Holdings Corporation)
Boy yeah.....that sure looks like a real gun to me! ::) What the hell is wrong with these people? He's a SIX year old! Suspended?? My gawwwwd.
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There's a 2:21 video news clip at the link below. Here's some other pertinent info for the above article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&p=382676#p382669):
9news.com · Colorado's News Leader
6-year-old boy suspended for toy gun at school (http://http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=156961&catid=339)
Nelson Garcia · 3 hrs ago
(http://http://www.9news.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=204&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/101007083700_10-07-10-nerf-gun1.jpg)
(http://http://www.9news.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=204&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/101007083710_10-07-10-nerf-gun2.jpg)
(KUSA-TV © 2010 Multimedia Holdings Corporation)
Boy yeah.....that sure looks like a real gun to me! ::) What the hell is wrong with these people? He's a SIX year old! Suspended?? My gawwwwd.
You really should not be a parent if you can not understand their position on this. No wonder why your children were
so.....
Oh forget it.
What a pair a dumbasses, you both should be shot by real guns.
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Danny why are you derailing each and every thread here with your idiotic and hateful posts? Furthermore, why is this behavior not being properly punished by the admins? ::poke::
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You really should not be a parent if you can not understand their position on this.
Oh no! DannyBoi doesn't approve of my parenting! What will I do?? ::)
No wonder why your children were
so.....
Oh forget it.
Oh no......please, go on. I couldn't be more proud of my kids.
What a pair a dumbasses, you both should be shot by real guns.
Ahhhh, there's that wonderful spirituality you gain from LGATs and your New Warrior Training, huh?
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Danny why are you derailing each and every thread here with your idiotic and hateful posts? Furthermore, why is this behavior not being properly punished by the admins? ::poke::
Cuz he's incredibly threatened by intelligent, strong women. I really don't think he can help himself at this point.
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Danny why are you derailing each and every thread here with your idiotic and hateful posts? Furthermore, why is this behavior not being properly punished by the admins? ::poke::
Shaggys, Come-on, you tolerated Control Trolls posts all day long which were intended just to attack. Why derail this thread too. Lets stay with the topic.
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I think part of the problem is the school system is put into a position to police and wear the hats of judge and jury. It isn’t an issue of whether it looks like a real gun or not. The rules is “No toy guns”. The punishment is intended to affect the parent. The parent will need to find coverage for the child which will send a stronger message that the parents need to check their childs backpacks.
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I think part of the problem is the school system is put into a position to police and wear the hats of judge and jury.
I can partially agree with that.
It isn’t an issue of whether it looks like a real gun or not. The rules is “No toy guns”.
I understand that, but the reason for the 'no toy gun' rule is that there were kids that were bringing in toy guns that looked remarkably real. That's why I think the whole "zero tolerance" stuff has gotten out of hand. There's no common sense anymore.
The punishment is intended to affect the parent. The parent will need to find coverage for the child which will send a stronger message that the parents need to check their childs backpacks.
Eh...point taken.
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I understand that, but the reason for the 'no toy gun' rule is that there were kids that were bringing in toy guns that looked remarkably real. That's why I think the whole "zero tolerance" stuff has gotten out of hand. There's no common sense anymore.
I know and I somewhat agree but then it becomes a judgment on the teachers part to determine which gun looks real and which gun does not. Everyone sits around the table and discusses solutions:
1. Should we train the teachers on which toy guns are acceptable?
2. Train the parents to recognize and purchase only those toy guns which are not realistic
3. Send a memo out to all teachers and parents to inform them that no toy guns will be acceptable on the school property period (zero tolerance)
I think number 3 is the safest and takes the liability and risk out of the teachers hand. Whats the worst thing that can happen? The kid is sent home and is forced to spend a whole day with his family.
I try to see it from the teachers perspective. they have enough to do already.
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Danny why are you derailing each and every thread here with your idiotic and hateful posts? Furthermore, why is this behavior not being properly punished by the admins? ::poke::
Cuz he's incredibly threatened by intelligent, strong women. I really don't think he can help himself at this point.
Please, let me know when one enters, I'll let ya know how I feel.
Oh, wait here she is, hey Liza. One has entered, I feel equally blissful.
Anne, you would not know a strong intelligent women if she walked up to you and introduced herself. Sit down and listen, please.
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@Who,I don’t think you’re giving teachers enough credit if you think they’d need training to recognize a brightly colored nerf blaster as a non-weapon. I think that’s why this case is being cited as a stand out example of zero tolerance gone too far. Granted, there are still some toy guns and even lighters that do resemble actual firearms and those would pose a problem and warrant the kind of response aimed at motivating the parent to check their kid’s backpack that you had mentioned, but it’s clearly not the case (http://http://www.9news.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=204&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/101007083700_10-07-10-nerf-gun1.jpg)here.
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That teacher should have just sent a note home to the parents advising them that toy guns are not allowed. End of story.
Why does the toy gun of a 6 year old have to become such an ordeal? That zero tolerance shit sux big time. You really have to be braindead to think all that shit is a good idea. The local schools here are threatening to call in police when grammar school kids get in playground scraps. Another crock of shit.
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@Who,I don’t think you’re giving teachers enough credit if you think they’d need training to recognize a brightly colored nerf blaster as a non-weapon. I think that’s why this case is being cited as a stand out example of zero tolerance gone too far. Granted, there are still some toy guns and even lighters that do resemble actual firearms and those would pose a problem and warrant the kind of response aimed at motivating the parent to check their kid’s backpack that you had mentioned, but it’s clearly not the case (http://http://www.9news.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=204&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/101007083700_10-07-10-nerf-gun1.jpg)here.
Exactly. I really do understand that it's not fair to put so much on the teachers, but this particular thing is just ri-goddamned-diculous.
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Listen, with all the killing, injuries and threats made with guns, I don't think any type of gun whether it doesn't look like one or not should be allowed. BTW, where are the parents common sense on this, why would you let your child go to school with a toy gun. What message is that sending out.
No this is not over the top, being dramatic or anything else. We have lost a lot of kids to guns in the last 20 years, let alone the untold stories of threatening gestures with guns that went unknown, threats off school grounds ect....
There is no place for any kind of gun at school. Their parents should be punished also, maybe with tax finding or make the parents contribute to the Columbine Fund.
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What criteria would we give to teachers? I know of a few teachers who have never even seen a real gun. So if a kid took out one of the guns below which one should the teacher react to?
I think the green one at the bottom may be okay, but what about the others?
(http://http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/old/dg-dewei/dg-dewei$769816.jpg)
(http://http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50229204/32_Bits_PS___PSII_Game_Gun.jpg)
(http://http://www.a-kon.com/bm/bm~pix/1-1-155~s600x600.jpg)
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No this is not over the top, being dramatic or anything else. We have lost a lot of kids to guns in the last 20 years,
How many have we lost to Nerf guns?
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Just so everyone here knows, Danny just sent me a threatening PM. Apparently he got upset when i asked him why he kept derailing the threads here. I now have zero tolerance for Danny. It is the one time that a zero tolerance policy makes sense.
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What criteria would we give to teachers? I know of a few teachers who have never even seen a real gun. So if a kid took out one of the guns below which one should the teacher react to?
I think the green one at the bottom may be okay, but what about the others?
(http://http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/old/dg-dewei/dg-dewei$769816.jpg)
(http://http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50229204/32_Bits_PS___PSII_Game_Gun.jpg)
(http://http://www.a-kon.com/bm/bm~pix/1-1-155~s600x600.jpg)
Then the only solution is to allow ONLY Nerf guns to school.
/half joking
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No this is not over the top, being dramatic or anything else. We have lost a lot of kids to guns in the last 20 years,
How many have we lost to Nerf guns?
:roflmao:
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Or just no guns at all. Why do kids need to bring them anyway?
Its easier, imo, to just send a letter home to parents asking them to not allow kids to bring in toy guns.
How about toy handgranades? lol
(http://http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31TNdFiQwOL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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Just so everyone here knows, Danny just sent me a threatening PM. Apparently he got upset when i asked him why he kept derailing the threads here. I now have zero tolerance for Danny. It is the one time that a zero tolerance policy makes sense.
He still does that? Ugh anyway. I agree in that case and for his earlier comment re: "you should be shot by real guns" there should be zero tolerance for Danny Bennison.
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Or just no guns at all. Why do kids need to bring them anyway?
Nerf guns? Cuz they're fun! Haven't you ever played with one?
(http://http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-ambush-cat.jpg)
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Just so everyone here knows, Danny just sent me a threatening PM. Apparently he got upset when i asked him why he kept derailing the threads here. I now have zero tolerance for Danny. It is the one time that a zero tolerance policy makes sense.
He still does that? Ugh anyway. I agree in that case and for his earlier comment re: "you should be shot by real guns" there should be zero tolerance for Danny Bennison.
Why am I not surprised. Well, join the crowd, sorry to hear of it.
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Or just no guns at all. Why do kids need to bring them anyway?
Nerf guns? Cuz they're fun! Haven't you ever played with one?
I have and they are fun. If they are all distinguishable like that one is then I would agree that they could change their policy to allow "Nerf" guns. But I am not familiar with how they all look.
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Or just no guns at all. Why do kids need to bring them anyway?
Nerf guns? Cuz they're fun! Haven't you ever played with one?
I have and they are fun. If they are all distinguishable like that one is then I would agree that they could change their policy to allow "Nerf" guns. But I am not familiar with how they all look.
Oh come on....lighten up. I was making a funny.
(http://http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5HJjBlnU57sZ3U9xEqnEjuJxGqEndGaQyY5ckUN7m1iUm2HQ&t=1&usg=__o4awL3Q6f9FjJo2002smEGCvYHA=)
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No this is not over the top, being dramatic or anything else. We have lost a lot of kids to guns in the last 20 years,
How many have we lost to Nerf guns?
:roflmao:
Oh, here is are little over energetic intellectual coming out to play with us again. Her little snarky remarks are so cute, hey kimmy.
Serious side and back on topic;
1) kid brings in make believe gun, cops doesn't know, shoots kid.
2) Kid brings in make believe gun, another kid who has real gun doesn't know, shoots kid.
3) Kid moved to another state/school district because of trauma from being victimized in shooting at another school, kid brandishes fake gun, first kid doesn't know goes into shock. Realized terror all over.
4) put your own in.
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Oh, here is are little over energetic intellectual coming out to play with us again.
What?
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Anne wrote:
Oh come on....lighten up. I was making a funny.
Why don't you send this remark to the mothers who have lost there kids.
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Serious side and back on topic;
Let's talk about your threats to Shaggys. Why did you do that? Let's talk about your wishing that we'd (or maybe it was just me) be shot by real guns. Why did you say that?
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Anne wrote:
Oh come on....lighten up. I was making a funny.
Why don't you send this remark to the mothers who have lost there kids.
Because it would be cruel. Duh! ::)
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Listen, with all the killing, injuries and threats made with guns, I don't think any type of gun whether it doesn't look like one or not should be allowed. BTW, where are the parents common sense on this, why would you let your child go to school with a toy gun. What message is that sending out.
No this is not over the top, being dramatic or anything else. We have lost a lot of kids to guns in the last 20 years, let alone the untold stories of threatening gestures with guns that went unknown, threats off school grounds ect....
There is no place for any kind of gun at school. Their parents should be punished also, maybe with tax finding or make the parents contribute to the Columbine Fund.
Did you read the article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&start=0#p382669), Danny? The kid snuck it into his backpack:
"I had a phone call from the school saying that my son got suspended for taking a toy gun to school," said Lorraine Romero, mother of the kindergarten student. "He's just a kid. He doesn't know any better."
Anthony was suspended for one day for taking a facsimile of a gun to school. Apparently, he snuck it into his backpack Wednesday morning.
Romero knows it was wrong, but she doesn't believe the punishment fits the crime.
"I don't think he should have gotten suspended for that," Romero said. "I think they should have just talked to him about it and say, 'Hey, you know you're not supposed to bring any toys to school.' "[/list][/size]
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Oh come on....lighten up. I was making a funny.
I guess I missed it. But I could see how they could redefine the rules to allow Nurf guns only, but I dont think it is fair to make the teachers determine which toy is safe and which is not. If something goes wrong then the teacher is liable. with their present rule it takes the liability out of the teachers hands and places it back onto the parents where it belongs.
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Just so everyone here knows, Danny just sent me a threatening PM. Apparently he got upset when i asked him why he kept derailing the threads here. I now have zero tolerance for Danny. It is the one time that a zero tolerance policy makes sense.
you really are a wussy, aren't you. Stop crying to the ladies, Shaggy.
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Did you read the article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&start=0#p382669), Danny?
No, he just went off half cocked.
:roflmao:
I'm so sorry. :seg2:
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Just so everyone here knows, Danny just sent me a threatening PM. Apparently he got upset when i asked him why he kept derailing the threads here. I now have zero tolerance for Danny. It is the one time that a zero tolerance policy makes sense.
you really are a wussy, aren't you. Stop crying to the ladies, Shaggy.
Why do you threaten people here?
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you really are a wussy, aren't you.
Says the man who threatens women and talks about running around naked with other men.
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I sent some snacks in to school with one of my kids for the class and it was rejected because it was manufactured in a place that also used tree nuts. The school has a no nut policy. I commented that there is no one in the class that has a nut allergy and the teacher agreed. But her hands are tied, the rule is the rule and the teachers need to abide by them.
If she allowed my snack in then it may become routine and after awhile they will allow nuts in the class room as long as the kid with the nut allergy doesnt get any. Then everyone is making their own decisions till one day someone makes a mistake and a child dies.
So what is the best way to control the problem and keep the kids safe? No nuts products on school property.
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So what is the best way to control the problem and keep the kids safe? No nuts products on school property.
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But then you wouldn't be allowed to visit anymore.
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I sent some snacks in to school with one of my kids for the class and it was rejected because it was manufactured in a place that also used tree nuts. The school has a no nut policy. I commented that there is no one in the class that has a nut allergy and the teacher agreed. But her hands are tied, the rule is the rule and the teachers need to abide by them.
If she allowed my snack in then it may become routine and after awhile they will allow nuts in the class room as long as the kid with the nut allergy doesnt get any. Then everyone is making their own decisions till one day someone makes a mistake and a child dies.
So what is the best way to control the problem and keep the kids safe? No nuts products on school property.
Well, hell.....I don't want crazy people in the classrooms either. So it's settled then. All nuts are banned and only Nerf guns can be brought to school. I think we've accomplished a lot here today.
/oh lighten the hell up Francis. It's Friday and I'm in a great mood! :seg:
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So what is the best way to control the problem and keep the kids safe? No nuts products on school property.
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But then you wouldn't be allowed to visit anymore.
Touche! :rofl:
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I sent some snacks in to school with one of my kids for the class and it was rejected because it was manufactured in a place that also used tree nuts. The school has a no nut policy. I commented that there is no one in the class that has a nut allergy and the teacher agreed. But her hands are tied, the rule is the rule and the teachers need to abide by them.
If she allowed my snack in then it may become routine and after awhile they will allow nuts in the class room as long as the kid with the nut allergy doesnt get any. Then everyone is making their own decisions till one day someone makes a mistake and a child dies.
So what is the best way to control the problem and keep the kids safe? No nuts products on school property.
But... was your kid suspended from school, and consequently humiliated, for your having sent in the forbidden fruit snack?
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forbidden fruit snack?
:rofl:
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Listen, with all the killing, injuries and threats made with guns, I don't think any type of gun whether it doesn't look like one or not should be allowed. BTW, where are the parents common sense on this, why would you let your child go to school with a toy gun. What message is that sending out.
No this is not over the top, being dramatic or anything else. We have lost a lot of kids to guns in the last 20 years, let alone the untold stories of threatening gestures with guns that went unknown, threats off school grounds ect....
There is no place for any kind of gun at school. Their parents should be punished also, maybe with tax finding or make the parents contribute to the Columbine Fund.
Did you read the article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&start=0#p382669), Danny? The kid snuck it into his backpack:
"I had a phone call from the school saying that my son got suspended for taking a toy gun to school," said Lorraine Romero, mother of the kindergarten student. "He's just a kid. He doesn't know any better."
Anthony was suspended for one day for taking a facsimile of a gun to school. Apparently, he snuck it into his backpack Wednesday morning.
Romero knows it was wrong, but she doesn't believe the punishment fits the crime.
"I don't think he should have gotten suspended for that," Romero said. "I think they should have just talked to him about it and say, 'Hey, you know you're not supposed to bring any toys to school.' "[/list][/size]
unlike you, just because someone says or writes something, I do not have to take it as gospel. Now, my reaction is to after she realized he had done this (with all the implications) she still cried foul. No, I do not expect the boy to understand the complexities of bringing in a toy gun to school. He probably wanted to show it off, no problem. But his mother knows what was wrong and why he had to be suspended. There are rules that can not be compromised, especially when it comes to guns of any kind.
Bravo!!!!!
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I sent some snacks in to school with one of my kids for the class and it was rejected because it was manufactured in a place that also used tree nuts. The school has a no nut policy. I commented that there is no one in the class that has a nut allergy and the teacher agreed. But her hands are tied, the rule is the rule and the teachers need to abide by them.
If she allowed my snack in then it may become routine and after awhile they will allow nuts in the class room as long as the kid with the nut allergy doesnt get any. Then everyone is making their own decisions till one day someone makes a mistake and a child dies.
So what is the best way to control the problem and keep the kids safe? No nuts products on school property.
Well, hell.....I don't want crazy people in the classrooms either. So it's settled then. All nuts are banned and only Nerf guns can be brought to school. I think we've accomplished a lot here today.
/oh lighten the hell up Francis. It's Friday and I'm in a great mood! :seg:
Look, Anne, Dont call me Francis.
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Look, Anne, Dont call me Francis.
Ok psycho.
(I hope you're getting the Stripes reference, it's meant tongue & cheek)
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I sent some snacks in to school with one of my kids for the class and it was rejected because it was manufactured in a place that also used tree nuts. The school has a no nut policy. I commented that there is no one in the class that has a nut allergy and the teacher agreed. But her hands are tied, the rule is the rule and the teachers need to abide by them.
If she allowed my snack in then it may become routine and after awhile they will allow nuts in the class room as long as the kid with the nut allergy doesnt get any. Then everyone is making their own decisions till one day someone makes a mistake and a child dies.
So what is the best way to control the problem and keep the kids safe? No nuts products on school property.
But... was your kid suspended from school, and consequently humiliated, for your having sent in the forbidden fruit snack?
No and I would have been pissed off especially if my kid and his name got placed in the news papers. But the punishment is meant for the parent not the child. The parent is going to have to find coverage for their child or take time off from work.
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Serious side and back on topic;
Let's talk about your threats to Shaggys. Why did you do that? Let's talk about your wishing that we'd (or maybe it was just me) be shot by real guns. Why did you say that?
Who said you were threatening, I didn't. You being shot by guns, when is it. Will this be like a public hanging.
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Serious side and back on topic;
Let's talk about your threats to Shaggys. Why did you do that? Let's talk about your wishing that we'd (or maybe it was just me) be shot by real guns. Why did you say that?
Shaggy was not threaten, have him post the PM.
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Look, Anne, Dont call me Francis.
Ok psycho.
(I hope you're getting the Stripes reference, it's meant tongue & cheek)
Look, Anne, the name is Francis Sawyer and everyone calls me psycho. Any of you fornits people call me Francis and I will kill 'ya. and I dont like nobody touchin my stuff. So just keep your meat hooks off. If I catch any of you fornits people in my stuff I will kill ya. Also I dont like anyone touching me.
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Serious side and back on topic;
Let's talk about your threats to Shaggys. Why did you do that? Let's talk about your wishing that we'd (or maybe it was just me) be shot by real guns. Why did you say that?
Who said you were threatening, I didn't. You being shot by guns, when is it. Will this be like a public hanging.
Do you perchance have some anger management difficulties, Mr. Daniel Bennison?
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Tongue IN cheek, Dammit.
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Serious side and back on topic;
Let's talk about your threats to Shaggys. Why did you do that? Let's talk about your wishing that we'd (or maybe it was just me) be shot by real guns. Why did you say that?
Shaggy was not threaten, have him post the PM.
I will gladly post the PM anytime danny. It is just a Danny one-liner warning me to "shut the fuck up". Danny are you Drunk right now as we speak? Am I going to be having to listen to a Danny confession soon where he admits how blasted he is on dope and cheap alcohol? Ala SUCKIT? I am trying to stay on topic here but danny is forcing me to implement my zero-tolerance policy towards him. It is the rules, I have no choice.
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Serious side and back on topic;
Let's talk about your threats to Shaggys. Why did you do that? Let's talk about your wishing that we'd (or maybe it was just me) be shot by real guns. Why did you say that?
Who said you were threatening, I didn't. You being shot by guns, when is it. Will this be like a public hanging.
Do you perchance have some anger management difficulties, Mr. Daniel Bennison?
Well, Ursus, since you put it like that, yes I do. But only with you, really. >:(
I Daniel L. Bennison do approve this message.
I am getting ready for November, remember the message. Y'all vote for me ya hear.
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Listen, with all the killing, injuries and threats made with guns, I don't think any type of gun whether it doesn't look like one or not should be allowed. BTW, where are the parents common sense on this, why would you let your child go to school with a toy gun. What message is that sending out.
No this is not over the top, being dramatic or anything else. We have lost a lot of kids to guns in the last 20 years, let alone the untold stories of threatening gestures with guns that went unknown, threats off school grounds ect....
There is no place for any kind of gun at school. Their parents should be punished also, maybe with tax finding or make the parents contribute to the Columbine Fund.
Did you read the article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&start=0#p382669), Danny? The kid snuck it into his backpack:
"I had a phone call from the school saying that my son got suspended for taking a toy gun to school," said Lorraine Romero, mother of the kindergarten student. "He's just a kid. He doesn't know any better."
Anthony was suspended for one day for taking a facsimile of a gun to school. Apparently, he snuck it into his backpack Wednesday morning.
Romero knows it was wrong, but she doesn't believe the punishment fits the crime.
"I don't think he should have gotten suspended for that," Romero said. "I think they should have just talked to him about it and say, 'Hey, you know you're not supposed to bring any toys to school.' "[/list][/size]
unlike you, just because someone says or writes something, I do not have to take it as gospel. Now, my reaction is to after she realized he had done this (with all the implications) she still cried foul. No, I do not expect the boy to understand the complexities of bringing in a toy gun to school. He probably wanted to show it off, no problem. But his mother knows what was wrong and why he had to be suspended. There are rules that can not be compromised, especially when it comes to guns of any kind.
Bravo!!!!!
She cried foul because the punishment did not fit the crime. This was a kid that was in kindergarten, with possibly no prior experience in dealing with the bureaucratic rigamarole of a school system, 'bout a mere month after school started.
The school has a certain amount of discretion at its disposal, in choosing how they're gonna handle each case. The article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&start=0#p382669) even mentioned the Colorado state law which "gives school districts discretion over which incidents to administer punishment instead of mandatory expulsion or suspension."
This school clearly chose not to exercise any such discretion when it came to Anthony Saenz and his nerf gun.
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Serious side and back on topic;
Let's talk about your threats to Shaggys. Why did you do that? Let's talk about your wishing that we'd (or maybe it was just me) be shot by real guns. Why did you say that?
Shaggy was not threaten, have him post the PM.
I will gladly post the PM anytime danny. It is just a Danny one-liner warning me to "shut the fuck up". Danny are you Drunk right now as we speak? Am I going to be having to listen to a Danny confession soon where he admits how blasted he is on dope and cheap alcohol? Ala SUCKIT? I am trying to stay on topic here but danny is forcing me to implement my zero-tolerance policy towards him. It is the rules, I have no choice.
Well then, stop yaking and post it. I don't care. What I said to you was private, you made it public. So post it.
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Listen, with all the killing, injuries and threats made with guns, I don't think any type of gun whether it doesn't look like one or not should be allowed. BTW, where are the parents common sense on this, why would you let your child go to school with a toy gun. What message is that sending out.
No this is not over the top, being dramatic or anything else. We have lost a lot of kids to guns in the last 20 years, let alone the untold stories of threatening gestures with guns that went unknown, threats off school grounds ect....
There is no place for any kind of gun at school. Their parents should be punished also, maybe with tax finding or make the parents contribute to the Columbine Fund.
Did you read the article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&start=0#p382669), Danny? The kid snuck it into his backpack:
"I had a phone call from the school saying that my son got suspended for taking a toy gun to school," said Lorraine Romero, mother of the kindergarten student. "He's just a kid. He doesn't know any better."
Anthony was suspended for one day for taking a facsimile of a gun to school. Apparently, he snuck it into his backpack Wednesday morning.
Romero knows it was wrong, but she doesn't believe the punishment fits the crime.
"I don't think he should have gotten suspended for that," Romero said. "I think they should have just talked to him about it and say, 'Hey, you know you're not supposed to bring any toys to school.' "[/list][/size]
unlike you, just because someone says or writes something, I do not have to take it as gospel. Now, my reaction is to after she realized he had done this (with all the implications) she still cried foul. No, I do not expect the boy to understand the complexities of bringing in a toy gun to school. He probably wanted to show it off, no problem. But his mother knows what was wrong and why he had to be suspended. There are rules that can not be compromised, especially when it comes to guns of any kind.
Bravo!!!!!
She cried foul because the punishment did not fit the crime. This was a kid that was in kindergarten, with possibly no prior experience in dealing with the bureaucratic rigamarole of a school system, 'bout a mere month after school started.
The school has a certain amount of discretion at its disposal, in choosing how they're gonna handle each case. The article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&start=0#p382669) even mentioned the Colorado state law which "gives school districts discretion over which incidents to administer punishment instead of mandatory expulsion or suspension."
This school clearly chose not to exercise any such discretion when it came to Anthony Saenz and his nerf gun.
Oh Ursus....you and your silly facts. :deal:
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Oh Ursus....you and your silly facts. :deal:
Sorry, Madam... I just can't help me self! ;D
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Well then, stop yaking and post it. I don't care.
There ya go Shaggs.
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Ursus wrote:
She cried foul because the punishment did not fit the crime. This was a kid that was in kindergarten, with possibly no prior experience in dealing with the bureaucratic rigamarole of a school system, 'bout a mere month after school started.
The school has a certain amount of discretion at its disposal, in choosing how they're gonna handle each case. The article even mentioned the Colorado state law which "gives school districts discretion over which incidents to administer punishment instead of mandatory expulsion or suspension."
This school clearly chose not to exercise any such discretion when it came to Anthony Saenz and his nerf gun.
Ursus, this is going to have to be one of those time I agree to disagree with you. There is no way schools are going to budge on this and I would hope they don't.
I will say this, I do feel for Anthony. Like I said he probably was just bringing the toy gun to school to show off, I hope so.
His mother will have to step up and explain to him what is going on. It is not the end of the world, his teacher can also help the situation by explaining also. If they can work in tandem with him his transition back into school will be less stigmatic.
There was a article I posted a few months back about (4) second graders who were arrested at school (handcuffed and taken away in a patty wagon) for threatening their teacher with toy guns and foul language. I understand this is different and a little older but not by much, 2 years.
Guns of any kind can not be tolerated in schools.
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She cried foul because the punishment did not fit the crime. This was a kid that was in kindergarten, with possibly no prior experience in dealing with the bureaucratic rigamarole of a school system, 'bout a mere month after school started.
The school has a certain amount of discretion at its disposal, in choosing how they're gonna handle each case. The article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&start=0#p382669) even mentioned the Colorado state law which "gives school districts discretion over which incidents to administer punishment instead of mandatory expulsion or suspension."
This school clearly chose not to exercise any such discretion when it came to Anthony Saenz and his nerf gun.
But we really dont have the full story. The school can use discretion but they chose not to. There may be a reason why? Maybe these parents just dump their child into the school system everyday in disregard of the rules. She shows up late to pick her child up, never bothers to send in a snack or change of clothes as requested. maybe she doesn't respond to the many notes they sent home reminding her that her child needs to wear sneakers on Thursday for Gym. Maybe the child uses four letter words in class and the parents have been asked to address the issue and they refuse. Maybe the parents respond back to the school that she pays her taxes and therefore the school system needs to take her child everyday until June. Maybe the parents are not engaged in this child life and the school decided to send a message to her to pay attention to her child and not use the discretion at their disposal.
There could be many reasons. I dont particularly like the public school system but I recognize that they have a difficult job to do dealing with these parents. We dont have the whole story.
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Like I said he probably was just bringing the toy gun to school to show off, I hope so.
What the hell else do you think he was gonna do with it? Kill someone? My god, we're talking about a six year old with a friggin' Nerf gun. It's not a bazooka.
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Ursus wrote:
The school has a certain amount of discretion at its disposal, in choosing how they're gonna handle each case. The article (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25430&start=0#p382669) even mentioned the Colorado state law which "gives school districts discretion over which incidents to administer punishment instead of mandatory expulsion or suspension."
This school clearly chose not to exercise any such discretion when it came to Anthony Saenz and his nerf gun.
Anne wrote:
Oh Ursus....you and your silly facts. :deal:
Oh, so because the school did not make a discretionary decision you both liked, you scream foul. What silly facts does he have that nobody else has.
Thank God neither of you are in charge of children at a school.
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Like I said he probably was just bringing the toy gun to school to show off, I hope so.
What the hell else do you think he was gonna do with it? Kill someone? My god, we're talking about a six year old with a friggin' Nerf gun. It's not a bazooka.
Maybe what has not come out is, Anthony was threatening kids with the gun, shooting nerf balls at kids who did not want to be hit by nerf balls. Maybe Anthony was bullying other kids with his nerf gun. We don't know because the whole story is not available.
Ursus and Anne, relax and once again before you two run off at the computer, get all your facts.