Fornits
Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 07, 2008, 08:18:10 AM
-
Frightening isn't quite the word. "Willard" comes to mind. Four separate entities....sort of. Not only do rodents multiply, evil does too. Doesn't one just want to give the ORS kudos. So, they spanked Buccellato and allowed this. Why not? They are a State agency and immune from prosecution... just maybe....stay tuned.
Hidden Lake Academy (Therapeutic Boarding School)
Mountain Brook Academy (Therapeutic Treatment Center)
Ridge Creek (Outdoor Therapeutic School )
Ridge Creek ( Wilderness Program)
-
Nothing illegal is being done here. Just because you do not like it, or agree with it, does not mean ORS can stop it from happening. Buccellato can put up as many programs as he would like. If something inappropriate is being done, the the proper governing agencies will take care of it. Let it go man. It's done. HLA is moving on and will end up doing just fine, just with more oversight now. That is what was really needed.
-
there doing the profit/non-profit dance again.
the two ridge creeks are one and the same physical entity, but two separate financial entities on paper. they set up a shell company to use to siphon off funds....again....
bucci is a clever yet stupid fuck, like a fox that forgets which way is up and keeps digging the tunnel deeper and deeper.
he knows as much about money laundering as he does about "helping kids".
-
Nothing illegal is being done here. Just because you do not like it, or agree with it, does not mean ORS can stop it from happening. Buccellato can put up as many programs as he would like. If something inappropriate is being done, the the proper governing agencies will take care of it. Let it go man. It's done. HLA is moving on and will end up doing just fine, just with more oversight now. That is what was really needed.
REALLY? THERE IS NO MORE OVERSIGHT THAN THERE WAS OR THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED. IT IS ALL A SMOKE SCREEN. CLAY ERICKSON WAS STILL LISTED AS DIRECTOR OF ADDICTIONS..THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE THERE ACCORDING TO THE NAMED COLLEGES THAT NEVER RECEIVED THEIR DEGREES FROM THOSE COLLEGES. SO WHAT HAS REALLY CHANGED? IF THEY COULD NOT OPERATE ONE SCHOOL,THEIR LICENSE IS STILL TEMPORARY, NOW FOUR? AND THE ADVERTISING TO COME IS JUST TOO MUCH! GOTTA LOVE THE CREATIVITY! THEY CAN CURE EVERYTHING!
-
there doing the profit/non-profit dance again.
the two ridge creeks are one and the same physical entity, but two separate financial entities on paper. they set up a shell company to use to siphon off funds....again....
bucci is a clever yet stupid fuck, like a fox that forgets which way is up and keeps digging the tunnel deeper and deeper.
he knows as much about money laundering as he does about "helping kids".
Awe, but remember, there is always a mastermind.
-
Things can only get better now that they are getting the proper oversight and are licensed. The rest will fall into place, it takes time to shake it all out. This is what everyone was pushing for. Everybody wins !!
-
Things can only get better now that they are getting the proper oversight and are licensed. The rest will fall into place, it takes time to shake it all out. This is what everyone was pushing for. Everybody wins !!
Unfortunately you are dreaming. One either has ethics or they don't.
-
Things can only get better now that they are getting the proper oversight and are licensed. The rest will fall into place, it takes time to shake it all out. This is what everyone was pushing for. Everybody wins !!
the "oversight" you have now is a sham. it's practically non-existent. i read the ORS report on the violations, they missed alot of crucial stuff. Most importantly, they still use "fall-out", which pits the kids against each other and causes violent conflicts. or the quality of the food....it's horrible. like prison food. i had full metabolic screen when i quit the place, i had extremely high levels of all sorts of nasty stuff. ever seen "super size me"? they use the cheapest possible ingredients at HLA.
Unfortunately you are dreaming. One either has ethics or they don't.
Ethics is the questioning, examination, and study of Morals.
one either has morals, or not.
my question for current HLA employess would be (particularly for the millitary and christian/mormon people), Have you examined your morals, or do you allow others to do so for you?
-
Everyone was asking for oversight and licensing which we got. If this is not working or helping then we should not fight for it anymore. Why license the places then?
-
Everyone was asking for oversight and licensing which we got. If this is not working or helping then we should not fight for it anymore. Why license the places then?
To answer your question, ORS was better than nothing for the children. Although for years they did nothing, although they knew of HLA's operation as a CCI. Yes, there is absolute proof.
ORS questioned and then backed down over the years. The class suit pretty much pushed them into a corner and even as late as November, after all the reports and CPS findings, they were going to back down, until we lobbied. Then December, the ORS declared them a CCI(Child Caring Institution). You will notice the ORS has not published their findings during the investigation. They only publish anything after the CCI call. ORS in my opinion has a moral and legal obligation to publish those findings.
ORS has Sovereign Immunity, so ORS can push papers pretty much all they want. ATT. GEN. BAKER, protects the ORS in the State of Georgia.
However, if they do not do their job, then he can step in. Politics, why would he? Simple, election year or press spin. Att. General Eliot Spitzer did it in NY, but he made an ethical(moral) call.
Therefore, it is not only Buccellato whose ethics may be questioned. If anything goes wrong, ORS should be held accountable now.
Also the GAO should be held accountable as they are aware of what has transpired and continues. They are Federal, above the ORS, and slow.
The Federal government is involved because of students being sent across state lines with IEP's, other States funding due to the "No Child Left Behind Act".
-
Things can only get better now that they are getting the proper oversight and are licensed. The rest will fall into place, it takes time to shake it all out. This is what everyone was pushing for. Everybody wins !!
the "oversight" you have now is a sham. it's practically non-existent. i read the ORS report on the violations, they missed alot of crucial stuff. Most importantly, they still use "fall-out", which pits the kids against each other and causes violent conflicts. or the quality of the food....it's horrible. like prison food. i had full metabolic screen when i quit the place, i had extremely high levels of all sorts of nasty stuff. ever seen "super size me"? they use the cheapest possible ingredients at HLA.
Unfortunately you are dreaming. One either has ethics or they don't.
Ethics is the questioning, examination, and study of Morals.
one either has morals, or not.
my question for current HLA employess would be (particularly for the millitary and christian/mormon people), Have you examined your morals, or do you allow others to do so for you?
This is interesting as the poster obviously is familiar with the ORS regulations regarding CCI's. Maybe the poster should remind ORS of their own regulations.
-
http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/pa ... x.html&d=1 (http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/page.cgi?g=DEPARTMENT_OF_HUMAN_RESOURCES%2FFAMILY___CHILDREN_SERVICES__CHILD_CARE_INSTITUTIONS%2FCHILD_CARING_INSTITUTIONS%2Findex.html&d=1)
For those of you that may be interested..
http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/ ... 01010aRCRD (http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/DHR-ORS/menuitem.a7e86d3fa49a7a608e738510da1010a0/?vgnextoid=19cfc353024f1010VgnVCM100000bf01010aRCRD)
-
It would seem unethical, not to mention misleading, to advertise as a Therapeutic Boarding School and Residential Treatment Center, when one is only licensed as a CCI. Does the State of Georgia not have licensed alcohol and drug rehabilitation facilities
with bonafide Addictionologists that have bonafide M.D.s.?
Just how does Buccellato propose to rehabilitate children with the miriad behavioral problems, drug and alcohol addictions, mental health disorders,etc? Ask these questions. Ask the ORS how they can only determine a CCI license will suffice.
The children will certainly not be "cured" by rolling logs or carrying rocks for hours on end. Nor will the children be helped by using them as inexpensive labor.
-
It would seem unethical, not to mention misleading, to advertise as a Therapeutic Boarding School and Residential Treatment Center, when one is only licensed as a CCI. Does the State of Georgia not have licensed alcohol and drug rehabilitation facilities
with bonafide Addictionologists that have bonafide M.D.s.?
Just how does Buccellato propose to rehabilitate children with the miriad behavioral problems, drug and alcohol addictions, mental health disorders,etc? Ask these questions. Ask the ORS how they can only determine a CCI license will suffice.
The children will certainly not be "cured" by rolling logs or carrying rocks for hours on end. Nor will the children be helped by using them as inexpensive labor.
This isn’t a problem which is unique to HLA.
What most states and schools struggle with is that there are no categories for “Therapeutic Boarding Schools”. Most states have not defined parameters for licensing so they choose something that is close like CCI so that they can at least get the place licensed and some regulation in place. If they tried to apply the regulations of an “Alcohol and Drug rehab center” (for example) then this wouldn’t cover the kids who were attending for non-addiction reasons.
This is a good question for ORS, as you stated. If enough people hold their feet to the fire they may come up with licensing criteria…. As soon as one state does it the others can follow using it as a template.
-
get the fuck out.
that's not the issue at all.
there's already a template for tbs regulations.
no one is jumping to model it and programs
aren't lobbying for monitoring and regulation.
-
get the fuck out.
that's not the issue at all.there's already a template for tbs regulations.
no one is jumping to model it and programs
aren't lobbying for monitoring and regulation.
I think it was, the issue was licensing and why HLA is licensed only as a CCI. I doubled checked the web site and the state of Georgia has a template for CCI, CPA,CCL and OCCP but nothing for a TBS. I don’t think HLA would fit as a alcohol and drug rehab either. It is good that there is a template for TBS regulation. Which state(s) is that from? If we could get this to the various states that do not have it (like Georgia) they may be more willing to put it in place and save them time from having to design it from scratch.
I wouldn’t expect any business to spend their own resources to have themselves monitored by an outside agency. This needs to come from the state agencies, parents or the voters.
-
Well, what exactly is a "Residential TREATMENT Center"? And, how can Buccellato be allowed to advertise which such
misleading statements that clearly impy REHAB along with all the other "cure alls". It is ridiculous.
He now has 2 new adjunct Psyche people, as the last one ran for her life to protect her license.
-
Well, what exactly is a "Residential TREATMENT Center"? And, how can Buccellato be allowed to advertise which such
misleading statements that clearly impy REHAB along with all the other "cure alls". It is ridiculous.
He now has 2 new adjunct Psyche people, as the last one ran for her life to protect her license.
Many families would prefer a child to attend a treatment center that is a little more than just a hospital type environment without peers so “Residential centers” started coming into existence and then "Therapeutic Boarding Schools". If kids have a problem which is clinical in nature and requires monitoring and ongoing adjusting doses to existing or newly prescribed medications then the child needs to be overseen by a practicing psychologist or professional in the field. If the child has issues outside of this realm then the rehabilitation may not need the oversight of a professional psychologist. These kids are there for a variety of reasons, but what they have in common is the need to be placed in a safe environment away from their at-risk lifestyle they had come out of.
I think what is at issue here is how should the RTC’s and TBS’s be regulated. They don’t fall into any existing categories of licenses in which most states have a template for… some kids may have I.E.P’s, others may not, some have drug problems, but maybe not addiction issues, some are from out of state others are not. The kids are all at different places in their academic standing even if they are in the same grade because each state is different so this poses another challenge for the schools.
The word “Treatment” is wide open and can mean whatever the person using the word wants it to mean. It does imply, however, that something is being done to cure or improve upon a preexisting condition, but does not imply that it is done under the control of a professional medical person. So it is important for parents to understand what specific treatment is being proposed for their child whether it be seeing a professional therapist every week or just being isolated from their past environment which was causing them harm or even as straight foward and benign as getting them on a regimented schedule of diet, academics and healthy peer interactions.
-
Nothing illegal is being done here. Just because you do not like it, or agree with it, does not mean ORS can stop it from happening. Buccellato can put up as many programs as he would like. If something inappropriate is being done, the the proper governing agencies will take care of it. Let it go man. It's done. HLA is moving on and will end up doing just fine, just with more oversight now. That is what was really needed.
If you think that the only issue with this place is is the absence of oversight entirely, then you are truly delusional. Obviously that is a problem, but a little more oversight isn't going to change it. The entire foundation and ideology of the program is completely flawed and ineffective. It's psychologically abusive. There is no research behind the validity of it's therapeutic program actually helping people. It does quite the opposite. It's unconstitutional. There are tons of studies, articles and books showing how the type of "therapeutic strategy" they employ does not work and is harmful.
They've been doing things that were quite illegal for a long time, and they've also claimed that nothing illegal is being done. Hypothetically speaking, if they weren't doing anything technically illegal then that doesn't necessarily mean it's good, ethical, just or right. Anyone who subscribes to this nonsense and continues to be apologetic and defensive for HLA is morally bankrupt.
Probably some of the worst advice I've heard in a long time: "if anything inappropriate is being done, the proper governing agencies will take care of it. Let it go. It's done."
Even when not talking about HLA, I think anyone with an IQ above 80 could see how that's ridiculous. What fantasy world does this person live in? Where the government is on top of everything and will be the moral force to jump in here. If it were true that doing nothing would get people on this, then why did it take so long just to get anyone to even do a normal inspection? If you had ever read a history book or knew anything about government you probably wouldn't have made such an assertion. People have to make the changes. The assertion that the government will help if inappropriate acts are being done is clearly refuted by looking at reality, or simply turning on the news (other than fox). Would you make a claim like that to the many innocent people who were interrogated and tortured at Guantanamo Bay? Or how about the spectacular work done by the government to investigate 9/11?
You have no right to tell people who feel like they've been wronged and their basic human ignored to just let it go. People deserve justice. More than that, kids there now or who could be sent in the future deserve our compassion to do something about it.