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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Nihilanthic on January 24, 2008, 04:13:37 PM
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A while ago, TheWho was banned. Then, someone let him back. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
As it stands now, he derails conversations, lies, manipulates, twists, and generally does everything a program has ever accused a child of doing. More specifically, he passive-aggressively (or even overtly) attacks and harasses posters, has mocked survivors for the 'laughable' abuse they went through, completely hijacks threads, and after being debunked and proven wrong, he acts as if it all never happened, putting on a show for any newcomer to fornits so he can suck them in, make us look bad to the new person, and defend his industry (and paycheck) and maybe even send a child off to a program, all while speaking FOR his daughter about how 'good it all was' after his pet program and its attached wilderness breakdown camp got debunked months ago.
I reason that he's being nothing more than an agent provocateur, preventing discussion and forcing us to (repetitiously) address him, resorting to lies and bullshit to try to convince people of his employer's positions (and opinions) which are known to be false or simply nonsensical, and in general his presence is not adding anything to fornits or helping anyone in any way except for his employers.
Some say even if he is representing a program or the industry, it is still 'free speech' and that he is sucking in families and kids to the industry is acceptable as long as free speech is protected.
I'll let the posters cast their votes.
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That "someone" who let him back was none other than Psy himself, one of his first major policy changes as admin. Since then, Psy has implemented other changes including but not limited to: outing the identities of posters, posting Internet Protocol Addresses (IP) of guests, threatening multiple posters with police action and bragging to one he could "get him arrested" whenever he wanted.
Psy is pro-censorhip and has the agenda of making this forum "safe for parents". TheWho is a parent maybe that's why he un-banned him despite protest. According to Psy, fornits would better serve the community as an advocacy group, rather than a bastion of freedom of speech related to the Troubled Teen Industry. Fornits as it once was, is dead and dying. Struggling Teens 2 has since taken it place with Psy at the helm, and Ginger too cynical or bored to notice or care, can we really blame her?
Nihilanthic could care less about freedom of speech, having never been restricted of it himself in any meaningful way he does not understand how programs really work. He is as ignorant as TheWho as to the inner workins of programs, and just as misguided. He probably knows this is the third poll asking the same question, but the poor kid thinks this is actually "saving kids" some how. Find a new hobby Niles, you do the cause more harm than good.
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Bad move Niles..... I think parents would rather hear the truth from me than have to put up with your pornography and Jewish hate sites (oh I am sorry, that’s parody to you). You paint a picture of what you want to believe. I have probably been responsible for derailing a few threads, but the rest is basically lies.
If I am banned, someone else will come along and hold everyone here accountable for what you say and try to add balance, play devils' advocate and generally work to keep the dialog honest.
If you ban me, be specific and hold others accountable to the same standard or your fight to retain free speech will be lost here and banning will become a common event every time someone disagrees with the majority or group think here. I see it happening on the "Shout Box" and it won’t be long before the same mentality drifts into the main forum.
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The Guest is none other than THWHO, picking bones.
while i was typing this message, the who went and posted as himself.
just shows his willingness to MANIPULATE PARENTS into believing his propaganda.
i'm not even an admin and i can tell its thewho.
a hint to thewho:
you're too polite and proper as guest, and make no effort to alter your writing style, syntax, and particularly your vocabulary usage. dont bother re-learning how to write, you're probably going to be banned soon.
i think people should be accountable for their actions (hint hint). dishonesty should not be tolerated here. BAN HIM.
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That "someone" who let him back was none other than Psy himself, one of his first major policy changes as admin. Since then, Psy has implemented other changes including but not limited to: outing the identities of posters
Example?
posting Internet Protocol Addresses (IP) of guests
Example?
threatening multiple posters with police action and bragging to one he could "get him arrested" whenever he wanted.
One poster... and I had no legal choice. I also didn't call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so. (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=306519#p306519)
Psy is pro-censorhip and has the agenda of making this forum "safe for parents". TheWho is a parent maybe that's why he un-banned him despite protest. According to Psy, fornits would better serve the community as an advocacy group, rather than a bastion of freedom of speech related to the Troubled Teen Industry. Fornits as it once was, is dead and dying. Struggling Teens 2 has since taken it place with Psy at the helm, and Ginger too cynical or bored to notice or care, can we really blame her?
Right... the TTI is, and likely will always be unmoderated. Creating more boards (such as YLF) that are moderated does not restrict anybody's existing rights to free speech. Creating a blog that appeals to parents, and forums that can provide our side of he story, can help to keep kids out of programs. Ultimately, unfortunately, parents do hold the keys.
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Bad move Niles..... I think parents would rather hear the truth from me than have to put up with your pornography and Jewish hate sites (oh I am sorry, that’s parody to you). You paint a picture of what you want to believe. I have probably been responsible for derailing a few threads, but the rest is basically lies.
ROFL. www.encyclopediadramatica.com (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com) is not a "jewish hate site" or a pornographic site either. And see, he's attacking ME, not what I have to say. See the first post in the thread, guys.
But honestly, when you're not speaking the truth, your point is invalid anyway....
If I am banned, someone else will come along and hold everyone here accountable for what you say and try to add balance, play devils' advocate and generally work to keep the dialog honest.
"Hold me accountable"? LOL. What Im a bad boy to be punished and there's some fucking enforced law of accountability? You're a programmie and then some, and if you were speaking honestly we wouldn't have a problem. Your attacks on us, derailing of conversations, manipulation and attempts to justify things with bullshit is not keeping dialog honest, you're stopping dialog and dictating to people your own spin on things.
If you ban me, be specific and hold others accountable to the same standard or your fight to retain free speech will be lost here and banning will become a common event every time someone disagrees with the majority or group think here. I see it happening on the "Shout Box" and it won’t be long before the same mentality drifts into the main forum.
Keeping paid liars from manipulating and twisting people into sending kids to programs is not stopping free speech.
What is done to kids in your programs is the prevention of free speech - why not tell us how you are for free speech but censoring communication between kids and parents, asshole?
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As much as we dislike the who, his antics and his very openly way of manipulating. We do not think we should ban hi.
That would comprimise everything and not oly prove he is a threat to everyone but it does breach the concept of freedom of speach. Yes he abuses it and has no regard for rules and runs amok. But I think we should let him stay and even let him in the shout box. Just because HE is a lowly degenerate who likes to trample the freedoms of people does not mean we should. Set the example.
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Letting him suck more people into the industry to prove a point is unacceptable to me. Period.
Find a way to mitigate that and I won't care if he's here. I care what he DOES, and the only way I see to stop it is to ban his ass.
Unless you want to embed into his footer or signature of his posts a link to him being debunked and discredited for the nth time so we don't have to do it again and again, thats fine with me.
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I look at it this way...it's like the friggin Nazi's or Aryan Brotherhood. I'm repulsed by them, but they have a right to speak. They're legally allowed to hold rallies on courthouse steps. Most compassionate, thinking people are repulsed by them but taht doesn't mean they don't have a right to speak, no matter how vulgar the message. There is a price for freedom. I'm willing to pay it.
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I've changed my mind, I vote 'no' for the ban.
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I've changed my mind, I vote no on the ban.
LOL...I didn't know you voted in the first place.
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It was on some other thread a few days ago.
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It was on some other thread a few days ago.
I musta missed that thread.
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I concur with what Anne said about the brotherhood and the neo nazis.
to ban him would only re enforce what he tells parents.
We vote no to the ban.
Let us make it clear that we detest Who... but we will not silence him... even though he openly supports the ones who silenced us for so many years.
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That \\\"someone\\\" who let him back was none other than Psy himself, one of his first major policy changes as admin. Since then, Psy has implemented other changes including but not limited to: outing the identities of posters
Example?
posting Internet Protocol Addresses (IP) of guests
Example?
threatening multiple posters with police action and bragging to one he could \\\"get him arrested\\\" whenever he wanted.
One poster... and I had no legal choice. I also didn\'t call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so. (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=306519#p306519)
Psy is pro-censorhip and has the agenda of making this forum \\\"safe for parents\\\". TheWho is a parent maybe that\\\'s why he un-banned him despite protest. According to Psy, fornits would better serve the community as an advocacy group, rather than a bastion of freedom of speech related to the Troubled Teen Industry. Fornits as it once was, is dead and dying. Struggling Teens 2 has since taken it place with Psy at the helm, and Ginger too cynical or bored to notice or care, can we really blame her?
Right... the TTI is, and likely will always be unmoderated. Creating more boards (such as YLF) that are moderated does not restrict anybody\'s existing rights to free speech. Creating a blog that appeals to parents, and forums that can provide our side of he story, can help to keep kids out of programs. Ultimately, unfortunately, parents do hold the keys.
You are right Psy, I should ammend that. You attempt to out posters, but manage to fail due to your own incompetence and paranoia. You attempted to out theWho which everybody saw for themselves, no explanation needed for that.
I am just posting recent examples for the sake of the new people.
Here is an example of when you attempt to out a poster known as Milk. Nowhere in these Guest\'s posts did they indicate they were the person known as Milk. You just assumed they were, and went ahead and made threats against the person you assumed it was. You would of known for sure but they were using a proxy. The only way to defend against Psy\'s threatening behavior at this point is to proxy up, apparently.
From Forum Open Free for All: Topic: psy threatens to call the cops on chatroom user
Someone says \"kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage\" and psy threatens to call the cops? Something is wrong with that, has the policy on this board changed?
Go back to no admins if this kid wants to call the cops on stupid little things like this. I think they were right, you are a faggot for doing this Psy. I am really disappointed with your pro-LEO/Scheff-like activity.
Milk. Please stop impersonating survivors whilst simultaneously spouting quotes from Anonymous. You don\'t understand the psychology of what is going on here and come off sounding like a complete idiot. Hate solves little but creating more hate. Gunning down a program will only convince the world of what the programs are already trying to portray us as: a bunch of psychos. It sounds great, and awfully romantic, nice to fantasize about (hey... i know parents who do), but ultimately counterproductive. Why don\'t I say it\'s unethical? Because you don\'t understand that concept. To you, it\'s just a game and as you\'ve said so aptly, hatred is \"yummy\".
Yes, anger has it\'s purpose, but it can\'t fuel you forever, you\'ll burn out. It can consume you, control you. Trust me on this. You seem to thrive on it since it\'s all a game to you... Well. I\'m not amused. Impersonating survivors (badly) and suggesting acts of mass murder can solve a social problem like the TTI ... I don\'t find it very funny at all. You might say \"yay.. i caused that\" when somebody follows your idiotic advice... People are just funny little tools to you. I seriously doubt you\'d have the balls to grab a rifle and do the job yourself.
Go away, please, or I\'ll post that chat where you suggested that I was worthless, had no life, and should go massacre a program (\"kill them all\" are the exact words you used, so don\'t try and claim you didn\'t mean to \"take them out\" (to dinner) like you did earlier today. As I\'ve said, you made far too many mistakes. I don\'t normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today). I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested). Tor nodes can\'t save you from chat transcripts. I don\'t want to do it, but if you don\'t stay the fuck off this site and stop impersonating survivors, I won\'t hesitate. I only have so much pity.
Toodles!
From topic Web Forum Hosting: Topic: I want this person... page 2
Posting IP\'s you do as Guest as to allow deniability, but the writing style is suspiciously similar to yours. Also, who else would have access to IPs?
\":roll: Fuck it.
Here, Zen. It\'s not a PERSON, but this should be amusing to you:
68.155.17.221
Not only are they program trash, they\'re lying program trash.
Have fun and learn how to use your computer. \"
There are too many instances of Psy confirming identities of guest posters to find and post. Someone asks Psy, is that the same person as this, and psy will answer them, using his ability to spot IP\'s to do so.
Other changes Psy has implemented include stickying topics he thinks are more important than traditional forum bumps would show. Moving forums around to stack his forums on top, even though they are slower and nobody posts in them. Using fornits for his agenda, and his personal war against Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder without any care of the legal blow-back he causes. Heavily censoring the shoutbox. Removing guests ability to post in shoutbox. Deleting his own guest posts. Deleting other guests posts that question why posts are being deleted.
\"One poster... and I had no legal choice. I also didn\'t call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so.\"
Two posters, psy. You threatened the shoutbox user who said kids need to run away and not let staff get in their way, and then this Milk person. Two different users you threatened with direct law enforcement action.
Guest said this:
[Today at 04:36:00 PM] guest-6d53: kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage
[Today at 04:36:21 PM] guest-6d53: they should do what they need to do
This is what you said to them:
[Today at 04:40:44 PM] psy: Look. If you\'re publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i\'ll have to check what my legal responsibilities are. I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.
[Today at 04:43:14 PM] psy: oh... I\'m just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities... I doubt they\'d interpret \"rise up and take them out\" as anything other than what you stated it to be.
After you banned the person and someone else questioned why you did that, you claimed you did it because:
[Today at 03:50:01 PM] psy: er... I\'ll explain why I did it..
[Today at 03:50:19 PM] psy: mostly it was to make the person piss in his or her pants about what they were stupid enough to type without a proxy
[Today at 03:50:25 PM] psy: lol
[Today at 03:52:33 PM] psy: yeah... and they can\'t read this since I banned em from reading and posting... so he/she is probably biting nails, wondering if the cops are comign.. lol
[Today at 03:53:13 PM] psy: Oh.. i could have actually called the cops... lol
This is what you said to poster #2 (who you thought was Milk) in a completely different conversation an context:
As I\'ve said, you made far too many mistakes. I don\'t normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today). I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).
I think this addresses your questions for clarification of my criticism\'s of your fascist admin policies. Since you agree with my last paragraph that you are pro-censorship and forcing a pro-parent slant to he forum, I see no need to confirm these with links, as you have admitted to them freely.
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The non slashy version.
That "someone" who let him back was none other than Psy himself, one of his first major policy changes as admin. Since then, Psy has implemented other changes including but not limited to: outing the identities of posters
Example?
posting Internet Protocol Addresses (IP) of guests
Example?
threatening multiple posters with police action and bragging to one he could "get him arrested" whenever he wanted.
One poster... and I had no legal choice. I also didn't call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so. (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=306519#p306519)
Psy is pro-censorhip and has the agenda of making this forum "safe for parents". TheWho is a parent maybe that's why he un-banned him despite protest. According to Psy, fornits would better serve the community as an advocacy group, rather than a bastion of freedom of speech related to the Troubled Teen Industry. Fornits as it once was, is dead and dying. Struggling Teens 2 has since taken it place with Psy at the helm, and Ginger too cynical or bored to notice or care, can we really blame her?
Right... the TTI is, and likely will always be unmoderated. Creating more boards (such as YLF) that are moderated does not restrict anybody's existing rights to free speech. Creating a blog that appeals to parents, and forums that can provide our side of he story, can help to keep kids out of programs. Ultimately, unfortunately, parents do hold the keys.
You are right Psy, I should ammend that. You attempt to out posters, but manage to fail due to your own incompetence and paranoia. You attempted to out theWho which everybody saw for themselves, no explanation needed for that.
I am just posting recent examples for the sake of the new people.
Here is an example of when you attempt to out a poster known as Milk. Nowhere in these Guest's posts did they indicate they were the person known as Milk. You just assumed they were, and went ahead and made threats against the person you assumed it was. You would of known for sure but they were using a proxy. The only way to defend against Psy's threatening behavior at this point is to proxy up, apparently.
From Forum Open Free for All: Topic: psy threatens to call the cops on chatroom user
Someone says "kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage" and psy threatens to call the cops? Something is wrong with that, has the policy on this board changed?
Go back to no admins if this kid wants to call the cops on stupid little things like this. I think they were right, you are a faggot for doing this Psy. I am really disappointed with your pro-LEO/Scheff-like activity.
Milk. Please stop impersonating survivors whilst simultaneously spouting quotes from Anonymous. You don't understand the psychology of what is going on here and come off sounding like a complete idiot. Hate solves little but creating more hate. Gunning down a program will only convince the world of what the programs are already trying to portray us as: a bunch of psychos. It sounds great, and awfully romantic, nice to fantasize about (hey... i know parents who do), but ultimately counterproductive. Why don't I say it's unethical? Because you don't understand that concept. To you, it's just a game and as you've said so aptly, hatred is "yummy".
Yes, anger has it's purpose, but it can't fuel you forever, you'll burn out. It can consume you, control you. Trust me on this. You seem to thrive on it since it's all a game to you... Well. I'm not amused. Impersonating survivors (badly) and suggesting acts of mass murder can solve a social problem like the TTI ... I don't find it very funny at all. You might say "yay.. i caused that" when somebody follows your idiotic advice... People are just funny little tools to you. I seriously doubt you'd have the balls to grab a rifle and do the job yourself.
Go away, please, or I'll post that chat where you suggested that I was worthless, had no life, and should go massacre a program ("kill them all" are the exact words you used, so don't try and claim you didn't mean to "take them out" (to dinner) like you did earlier today. As I've said, you made far too many mistakes. I don't normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today). I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested). Tor nodes can't save you from chat transcripts. I don't want to do it, but if you don't stay the fuck off this site and stop impersonating survivors, I won't hesitate. I only have so much pity.
Toodles!
From topic Web Forum Hosting: Topic: I want this person... page 2
Posting IP's you do as Guest as to allow deniability, but the writing style is suspiciously similar to yours. Also, who else would have access to IPs?
":roll: Fuck it.
Here, Zen. It's not a PERSON, but this should be amusing to you:
68.155.17.221
Not only are they program trash, they're lying program trash.
Have fun and learn how to use your computer. "
There are too many instances of Psy confirming identities of guest posters to find and post. Someone asks Psy, is that the same person as this, and psy will answer them, using his ability to spot IP's to do so.
Other changes Psy has implemented include stickying topics he thinks are more important than traditional forum bumps would show. Moving forums around to stack his forums on top, even though they are slower and nobody posts in them. Using fornits for his agenda, and his personal war against Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder without any care of the legal blow-back he causes. Heavily censoring the shoutbox. Removing guests ability to post in shoutbox. Deleting his own guest posts. Deleting other guests posts that question why posts are being deleted.
"One poster... and I had no legal choice. I also didn't call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so."
Two posters, psy. You threatened the shoutbox user who said kids need to run away and not let staff get in their way, and then this Milk person. Two different users you threatened with direct law enforcement action.
Guest said this:
[Today at 04:36:00 PM] guest-6d53: kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage
[Today at 04:36:21 PM] guest-6d53: they should do what they need to do
This is what you said to them:
[Today at 04:40:44 PM] psy: Look. If you're publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i'll have to check what my legal responsibilities are. I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.
[Today at 04:43:14 PM] psy: oh... I'm just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities... I doubt they'd interpret "rise up and take them out" as anything other than what you stated it to be.
After you banned the person and someone else questioned why you did that, you claimed you did it because:
[Today at 03:50:01 PM] psy: er... I'll explain why I did it..
[Today at 03:50:19 PM] psy: mostly it was to make the person piss in his or her pants about what they were stupid enough to type without a proxy
[Today at 03:50:25 PM] psy: lol
[Today at 03:52:33 PM] psy: yeah... and they can't read this since I banned em from reading and posting... so he/she is probably biting nails, wondering if the cops are comign.. lol
[Today at 03:53:13 PM] psy: Oh.. i could have actually called the cops... lol
This is what you said to poster #2 (who you thought was Milk) in a completely different conversation an context:
As I've said, you made far too many mistakes. I don't normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today). I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).
I think this addresses your questions for clarification of my criticism's of your fascist admin policies. Since you agree with my last paragraph that you are pro-censorship and forcing a pro-parent slant to he forum, I see no need to confirm these with links, as you have admitted to them freely.
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Since you agree with my last paragraph that you are pro-censorship and forcing a pro-parent slant to he forum, I see no need to confirm these with links, as you have admitted to them freely.
I can see a lot of what you're saying, with the exception of him enforcing a 'pro-parent slant to the forum'. That I don't get, but I haven't been on every day lately, so I could be missing something.
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I can only say that I didn't post that Ip. Ever consider the possibility it might not have actually been the IP of the poster in question? Send a PM to ginger if you think it was me who did it... Go ahead, embarrass your dumbass self.
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ROFL. www.encyclopediadramatica.com (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com) is not a "jewish hate site" or a pornographic site either. And see, he's attacking ME, not what I have to say. See the first post in the thread, guys.
But honestly, when you're not speaking the truth, your point is invalid anyway....
Ha,Ha, nice job.. not that web site (thats the dishonesty I was talking about). I am talking about the links you provided everyone which took them to a web site depicting jews in different light, making fun of their facial features, various slur names they can be called etc. you also posted plenty of pornography every time I (or others) boxed you in a corner or you lost an argument.
People who have been here for a few months or more remember them.
"Hold me accountable"? LOL. What Im a bad boy to be punished and there's some fucking enforced law of accountability? You're a programmie and then some, and if you were speaking honestly we wouldn't have a problem. Your attacks on us, derailing of conversations, manipulation and attempts to justify things with bullshit is not keeping dialog honest, you're stopping dialog and dictating to people your own spin on things.
You have never been to a program, Niles, yet you speak with a megaphone. People like myself need to stick around to keep you honest and insure you disseminate the right information of your second hand knowledge.
Keeping paid liars from manipulating and twisting people into sending kids to programs is not stopping free speech.
What was it you were crying about a few paragraphs above… oh yes “And see, he's attacking ME, not what I have to say….” You complain and belly ache if someone attacks you yet you openly label and name others… you are a joke, Niles.
What is done to kids in your programs is the prevention of free speech - why not tell us how you are for free speech but censoring communication between kids and parents, asshole?
The programs I talk about allow communication between the family and the child. You just tend to not hear that, Niles, because it doesn’t feed your need to dump your hatred.
Why are you even here anyway?
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I'm putting myself on Bans with the Troubled Teen Industry board while TheWho remains on it. I'll post in the YLF board. It's too stressful for me to watch TheWho pick up clients ("help" parents, and their kids), and arguing with him has proven pointless as he'll just "forget" what you said two posts previously and repeat the same debunked absurd statements. He's manually posting spam, in my opinion. It's nothing but advertising.
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dont do it psy... you need to stay
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Ha,Ha, nice job.. not that web site (thats the dishonesty I was talking about). I am talking about the links you provided everyone which took them to a web site depicting jews in different light, making fun of their facial features, various slur names they can be called etc. you also posted plenty of pornography every time I (or others) boxed you in a corner or you lost an argument.
People who have been here for a few months or more remember them.
a) I never did such a thing about jews.
b) I posted a picture of an ape 50 times over and a clip from a porn when I got tired of you.
c) I've yet to see you win an arguement.
You have never been to a program, Niles, yet you speak with a megaphone. People like myself need to stick around to keep you honest and insure you disseminate the right information of your second hand knowledge.
You have never been to a program, and have no proof they work, and you speak with a megaphone, so why are you sticking around?
What was it you were crying about a few paragraphs above… oh yes “And see, he's attacking ME, not what I have to say….” You complain and belly ache if someone attacks you yet you openly label and name others… you are a joke, Niles.
Yet again you're attacking me instead of proving ANYTHING you have to say.
The programs I talk about allow communication between the family and the child. You just tend to not hear that, Niles, because it doesn’t feed your need to dump your hatred.
Why are you even here anyway?
No, they do not allow it, we know they don't allow it.
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I'm putting myself on Bans with the Troubled Teen Industry board while TheWho remains on it. I'll post in the YLF board. It's too stressful for me to watch TheWho pick up clients ("help" parents, and their kids), and arguing with him has proven pointless as he'll just "forget" what you said two posts previously and repeat the same debunked absurd statements. He's manually posting spam, in my opinion. It's nothing but advertising.
Damn it psy, dont pull a Hillary to try to sway the vote. Also we both know I am not being paid so cut the drama. If I get banned you will just accuse the next person who comes on here and disagrees with you that they are getting paid too.
Why not make forums which require memberships to get in, that way I wont be able to post there... The Elks club, Knights of Columbus, KKK etc. do it so they can pick and choose who gets accepted and then everyone thinks alike and you can get your business done with out anyone bringing any new ideas to muck up the place like me.
Call it "TheWho free" forum and I wont enter it. I will just stay in the TTI forum.
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Yet again you're attacking me instead of proving ANYTHING you have to say.
Oh, playing the victim again Niles, is that why you are here. You started this thread, I didn’t. I am not attacking anyone.
No, they do not allow it, we know they don't allow it.
Niles, this is exactly why I stick around, because of comments like this. Many of the schools do allow communication between the kids and their parents… I know this first hand.
You are a dangerous person and you are spreading lies to parents who are reading.
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Damn it psy, dont pull a Hillary to try to sway the vote. Also we both know I am not being paid so cut the drama. If I get banned you will just accuse the next person who comes on here and disagrees with you that they are getting paid too.
The problem is not disagreement. The problem is what you do and how you do it, which I am not repeating in this thread.
Again, do it without lies bullshit or manipulative discussion-destroying ploys, or loading the language, and we won't have a problem.
Why not make forums which require memberships to get in, that way I wont be able to post there... The Elks club, Knights of Columbus, KKK etc. do it so they can pick and choose who gets accepted and then everyone thinks alike and you can get your business done with out anyone bringing any new ideas to muck up the place like me.
Call it "TheWho free" forum and I wont enter it. I will just stay in the TTI forum.
And yet again you spin, bullshit, and try to make implications and you will in the future deny doing so.
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Niles, this is exactly why I stick around, because of comments like this. Many of the schools do allow communication between the kids and their parents… I know this first hand.
You are a dangerous person and you are spreading lies to parents who are reading.
By your own admission you only have personal knowledge about 2 places and I don't believe you even then, given your record here of lies, manipulation, twisting, deflecting and selling. But that's just me.
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Niles, this is exactly why I stick around, because of comments like this. Many of the schools do allow communication between the kids and their parents… I know this first hand.
You are a dangerous person and you are spreading lies to parents who are reading.
By your own admission you only have personal knowledge about 2 places and I don't believe you even then, given your record here of lies, manipulation, twisting, deflecting and selling. But that's just me.
Thats one more than you (if you really did go to straight) and 2 moe than Niles.... Plus your record of foul mouth, lies, deflection and selling... not to mention Niles and his hatred towards Jews /Blacks and the posting of pornography.
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Thats one more than you (if you really did go to straight) and 2 moe than Niles.... Plus your record of foul mouth, lies, deflection and selling... not to mention Niles and his hatred towards Jews /Blacks and the posting of pornography.
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I can only say that I didn't post that Ip. Ever consider the possibility it might not have actually been the IP of the poster in question? Send a PM to ginger if you think it was me who did it... Go ahead, embarrass your dumbass self.
I have to back psy on this point, as I too contacted Ginger, and that is exactly what she told me as well. Namely, that the IP# contained in that post was the IP# from which it was posted.
Someone was just trying to screw around with everyone's heads here.
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Niles, this is exactly why I stick around, because of comments like this. Many of the schools do allow communication between the kids and their parents… I know this first hand.
You are a dangerous person and you are spreading lies to parents who are reading.
By your own admission you only have personal knowledge about 2 places and I don't believe you even then, given your record here of lies, manipulation, twisting, deflecting and selling. But that's just me.
Thats one more than you (if you really did go to straight) and 2 moe than Niles.... Plus your record of foul mouth, lies, deflection and selling... not to mention Niles and his hatred towards Jews /Blacks and the posting of pornography.
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Look above.. You said "many of the programs...I know first hand". By your own admission you only know "first hand" of 2 and even those are from an outside parents point of view....vastly different from what really goes on that you're not privvy to.
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I think banning sets a very bad precedent. One of the reasons survivors trust this place is that fornits does not ban. You don't want to take that away.
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Where's my emoticons?????
I need the ROFLMAO guys....STAT!!! I didn't see this....
"if you really did go to Straight"
This'll do for now...
(http://http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/roflmfao.jpg)
if I really did go.......
pleeeze
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Looking back the one thing that really stood out for me was how upset everyone would get if I questioned someones story or supported a new parents point of view. You would think I was part of the 911 conspiracy. People spoke of how badly they were treated in their various programs and how some were ridiculed by staff because they were overweight or liked boys/girls, too skinny etc…… but then when Niles came on here and was posting pictures of black people with racial slurs and links to jewish hate sites which tried to categorize the jewish people by facial features or mannerisms and various slurs they are called etc…. pornography… no one commented and some even snickered… that is held to be acceptable and no one mentioned banning him.
But since I am open about my point of views (which go against most peoples here) and talk openly about my experiences within the industry and challenge others as they do me the porno/ hate site guy ( who never had any dealings with a program) decides to create a thread to try to censor me or have me banned!! (why am I not surprised)
After I am banned what will you do next, have Niles as your standard of survivors? Bring psy back so you can move on to an open forum with free speech defined by the ones in charge?
Like I said, I am here to add balance to a heavily biased site.. I don’t expect to be popular, but I have been open and honest and I don’t earn a penny being here (as others would like you to believe).
Sorry I rambled… I will stop for a few minutes.
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… but then when Niles came on here and was posting pictures of black people with racial slurs and links to jewish hate sites which tried to categorize the jewish people by facial features or mannerisms and various slurs they are called etc…. pornography… no one commented and some even snickered… that is held to be acceptable and no one mentioned banning him.
Are you fucking kidding me??? I was one of the ones who called him out for it!!! Jesus, now I know for sure you really DO just pull shit right out of your ass!!!! I and many others publicly called him out for that shit! Damn! You are some piece of work.
But since I am open about my point of views (which go against most peoples here) and talk openly about my experiences within the industry and challenge others as they do me the porno/ hate site guy ( who never had any dealings with a program) decides to create a thread try to censor me or have me banned.
You are anything but open about your agenda. There is much more to the "I'm just a humble parent" story of yours. We all knjow it.
After I am banned what will you do next, have Niles as your standard of survivors? Bring psy back so you can get back to an open forum with free speech defined by the ones in charge?
Moron. You know you're not going to be banned. You know there's no way even if we all wanted you to be. You just throw this out as a red herring to draw people away from the real issues. You use this disagreement we're all having about whether or not to ban you as "proof" that we slant things. Take another look asswipe. I can't stand you. I think you're one of the most pathetic pieces of shit to come down the pike in quite a while....BUT .....i'm here, defending your (damn, what's with my grammar tonight?) right to speak.....so ONCE AGAIN.......BITE. MY. ASS.
Like I said, I am here to add balance to a heavily biased site.. I don’t expect to be popular, but I have been open and honest and I don’t earn a penny being here (as others would like you to believe).
I'm not saying you get paid directly for being here, but I do....strongly believe....that you are in some way financially connected to this industry. You've almost as much stated so.
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You are anything but open about your agenda. There is much more to the "I'm just a humble parent" story of yours. We all knjow it.
Been open right from the beginning…I don’t think of myself as humble but I am a parent…. you on the other hand try to use your experience from decades ago to try to paint all TBS the same and mislead people, especially parents.
Moron. You know you're not going to be banned. You know there's no way even if we all wanted you to be. You just throw this out as a red herring to draw people away from the real issues. You use this disagreement we're all having about whether or not to ban you as "proof" that we slant things. Take another look asswipe. I can't stand you. I think you're one of the most pathetic pieces of shit to come down the pike in quite a while....BUT .....i'm here, defending you're right to speak.....so ONCE AGAIN.......BITE. MY. ASS.
I didn’t start this thread… you going to accuse me of derailing now? Throwing of the conversation off into another direction while you post pictures of sea creatures rolling on the beach.
I don’t need to prove that you slant things (gutter mouth mother). You do it every time you speak.
I am sorry to say this again, but I really do feel sorry for your kids having to put up with the language all day. You should really consider hanging with a better group of friends or something.
I'm not saying you get paid directly for being here, but I do....strongly believe....that you are in some way financially connected to this industry. You've almost as much stated so.
If anyone in your family has a 401k plan (or watches Dr. phil) chances are they are profiting from the industry also.
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Been open right from the beginning…I don’t think of myself as humble but I am a parent…. you on the other hand try to use your experience from decades ago to try to paint all TBS the same and mislead people, especially parents.
And I'm saying, that based on everything I've seen you post here, that you're a liar.
I don’t need to prove that you slant things (gutter mouth mother). You do it every time you speak.
I am sorry to say this again, but I really do feel sorry for your kids having to put up with the language all day. You should really consider hanging with a better group of friends or something.
Again, you try and mislead people. You and your ilk are the only ones I speak to like this. Why you would assume you would know anything at all about what I've done with my kids is beyond me. Oh, wait. No its not. Most of you program people claim to have some special 'awareness' or 'insight' into others. (AAers call it the advantage over "normies") I've earned the right to speak to people like you who perpetuate this bullshit...I've lived through it. But my disgust and disdain is reserved for you and yours. But this is, however, very typical of you and program people. You cannot, in any way discredit or disprove what I'm saying so you go after the 'ad hominem' attacks. You haver nothing else. Not unlike the Scientologists' method of dealing with criticism. Identify and destroy. Confront the confronter. Go on the attack and dig up whatever you can to discredit the person since you know you can't discredit the message.
I'm not saying you get paid directly for being here, but I do....strongly believe....that you are in some way financially connected to this industry. You've almost as much stated so.
If anyone in your family has a 401k plan (or watches Dr. phil) chances are they are profiting from the industry also.
I know, I've heard this response from you before. It's a really nice non-denial denial. Congrats, you're on the same level as the current administration.
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on your comment regarding the 401k plan, that still doesent make it ok... secondly we are not sure if you have been paying attention but us monsters and a variety of other whos hate your stinking guts have voted NO on banning you and have expressed our opinions to Psy about banning you. No matter what skewed and bastardized concept you have or what ever insight you may pretned to understand of the industry... you have every right to express it even if it's wrong. You have the right to say whatever you wish and we will defend your right to free speech even though it's people like you that willingly trample on ours.
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And I'm saying, that based on everything I've seen you post here, that you're a liar.
We have established many times over that you are a liar and mislead parents. I stand by my experience with SUWS and ASR and make it clear when I speak of where my experience comes from.
Again, you try and mislead people. You and your ilk are the only ones I speak to like this. Why you would assume you would know anything at all about what I've done with my kids is beyond me. Oh, wait. No its not. Most of you program people claim to have some special 'awareness' or 'insight' into others. (AAers call it the advantage over "normies")
Hmmmm, Oh, like maybe knowing what I do for a living, thinking I work for the industry or profit from it… something along those lines. As far as your foul mouth goes ....I think we both know you don’t keep one side of your personality in reserve for just a few people, your type of communication is deeply ingrained which is apparent by the way you write and react to people, dont try to fool anyone here or add more lies to your list.
I've earned the right to speak to people like you who perpetuate this bullshit...I've lived through it. But my disgust and disdain is reserved for you and yours. But this is, however, very typical of you and program people. You cannot, in any way discredit or disprove what I'm saying so you go after the 'ad hominem' attacks.
Like moron or ass wipe or dick head was it!! Ha,Ha, keep digging Anne. You are the one with the personal attacks.
You haver nothing else. Not unlike the Scientologists' method of dealing with criticism. Identify and destroy. Confront the confronter. Go on the attack and dig up whatever you can to discredit the person since you know you can't discredit the message.
Oh so now I am like a scientologist digging up dirt… I can add that to the list of what I am suppose to be.
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who, you come in here on your name and play all nice and innocent and then come in on a guest name and curse and make tons of insults, so to critique Anne for doing it is just nonsense.
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on your comment regarding the 401k plan, that still doesent make it ok... secondly we are not sure if you have been paying attention but us monsters and a variety of other whos hate your stinking guts have voted NO on banning you and have expressed our opinions to Psy about banning you. No matter what skewed and bastardized concept you have or what ever insight you may pretned to understand of the industry... you have every right to express it even if it's wrong. You have the right to say whatever you wish and we will defend your right to free speech even though it's people like you that willingly trample on ours.
I hear you and thanks. If they were trying to ban niles or yourself... even Anne Bonney I would fight for your rights to speak openly here even though I feel you are misleading parents who come on here and place their kids in danger of not receiving any help. Some parents may take many of you seriously and decide their kid is just being a normal teenager and not get them any help. Who would be responsible then if the child committed suicide or ran off and hurt someone or a family member etc.
Its important to be honest with the parents who come on here and give them straight answers and not try to paint the whole teen help industry as evil and also not paint it as all good either. We need to all be responsible and put personal agendas aside when considering helping the children... Going after places like PV, if they are abusive, is a good thing.... but lets not let that cloud the larger issue of getting these kids the help they need and giving parents some honest information which they can use for their families.
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who, you come in here on your name and play all nice and innocent and then come in on a guest name and curse and make tons of insults, so to critique Anne for doing it is just nonsense.
What are you talking about?
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We have established many times over that you are a liar and mislead parents. I stand by my experience with SUWS and ASR and make it clear when I speak of where my experience comes from.
I don't doubt that you stand by your outside parents experience of the program which is vastly different from what really goes on.
Hmmmm, Oh, like maybe knowing what I do for a living, thinking I work for the industry or profit from it… something along those lines.
I've said all along that I have no evidence of such but, from what YOU have posted, I strongly suspect as much.
As far as your foul mouth goes ....I think we both know you don’t keep one side of your personality in reserve for just a few people, your type of communication is deeply ingrained which is apparent by the way you write and react to people, dont try to fool anyone here or add more lies to your list.
On this we agree. The part of my personality you are seeing here when I deal with and speak to you is a DIRECT result of my time in Straight and my exposure to the LGAT type raps/seminars/meetings/retreats or whatever other name you try and slap on it. Yup, you can thank your beloved program for my confrontational manner. I learned well, didn't I?
Oh so now I am like a scientologist digging up dirt… I can add that to the list of what I am suppose to be.
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Yes, insofar as you resort to attacking the messenger. That's actually in their doctrine. I'll give you that you're different inasmuch as programs don't blatantly say that. You get the message.....clearly. And the more indoctrinated you are, the more it shows in the pompous arrogance you dispaly.
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I hear you and thanks. If they were trying to ban niles or yourself... even Anne Bonney I would fight for your rights to speak openly here even though I feel you are misleading parents who come on here and place their kids in danger of not receiving any help.
In case you haven't noticed, I've just taken a ration of shit for not climbing aboard the ban Who Bandwagon.
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who, teenagers not listening to their parents, not wanthing to follow rules, experementing with drugs, having sexual encounters... THESE ARE NORMAL ACTIVITIES FOR A TEENAGER.
Stop acting as if this is all some disease that ont RTC's can fix.
Teens dont listen in class because they find it boring, they resent doing homework because they would rather be doing a millon other things. This is not brain science it's common logic that teens are very difficult to reason with and hate you no matter what you do.... thats part of being a teenager. Stop acting as if a pill or a program is going to redesign thousands of years of a human instinct. Teens acting this way is as normal as a two year old screaming MINE, or a 5 year old that steals candy, or a 12 year old sneaking dirty magazines. It's a part of growing up and you guys are trying to treat it as if this is an alien concept to you.
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I hear you and thanks. If they were trying to ban niles or yourself... even Anne Bonney I would fight for your rights to speak openly here even though I feel you are misleading parents who come on here and place their kids in danger of not receiving any help.
In case you haven't noticed, I've just taken a ration of shit for not climbing aboard the ban Who Bandwagon.
I didnt notice , where was that posted?
Well, thanks. It looks like you are the deciding vote if it stands. You will have to take psy's place as the one responsible for me being here. I guess I will owe you, Anne. You will take alot of shit for that. (pardon my french).
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who, teenagers not listening to their parents, not wanthing to follow rules, experementing with drugs, having sexual encounters... THESE ARE NORMAL ACTIVITIES FOR A TEENAGER.
Stop acting as if this is all some disease that ont RTC's can fix.
Teens dont listen in class because they find it boring, they resent doing homework because they would rather be doing a millon other things. This is not brain science it's common logic that teens are very difficult to reason with and hate you no matter what you do.... thats part of being a teenager. Stop acting as if a pill or a program is going to redesign thousands of years of a human instinct. Teens acting this way is as normal as a two year old screaming MINE, or a 5 year old that steals candy, or a 12 year old sneaking dirty magazines. It's a part of growing up and you guys are trying to treat it as if this is an alien concept to you.
Dont lump me in with all parents... I am familiar with how teenagers are, I wouldnt send any of them away (or have any part in sending them away) for smoking pot experimenting with drugs or having sex....
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then pray tell what did you send your poor troubled fucked up daughter for?
School problems? Anxiety issues? Depressive state? All of these once again common for a teenager.
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then pray tell what did you send your poor troubled fucked up daughter for?
School problems? Anxiety issues? Depressive state? All of these once again common for a teenager.
I am not going to disclose that here with the chance she could be identified (by me being identified, by my choice or not) someday. Wouldnt be fair to her.
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thats a lie, and whats not fair to her is that you sent her in the first place. (if she even exists)
if she truly believed this place helped her she would be in here right next to you telling her story and how it saved her life and you two's relationship.
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I hear you and thanks. If they were trying to ban niles or yourself... even Anne Bonney I would fight for your rights to speak openly here even though I feel you are misleading parents who come on here and place their kids in danger of not receiving any help.
In case you haven't noticed, I've just taken a ration of shit for not climbing aboard the ban Who Bandwagon.
I didnt notice , where was that posted?
Well, thanks. It looks like you are the deciding vote if it stands. You will have to take psy's place as the one responsible for me being here. I guess I will owe you, Anne. You will take alot of shit for that. (pardon my french).
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I'm not responsible for anything but my own opinion.
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then pray tell what did you send your poor troubled fucked up daughter for?
School problems? Anxiety issues? Depressive state? All of these once again common for a teenager.
I am not going to disclose that here with the chance she could be identified (by me being identified, by my choice or not) someday. Wouldnt be fair to her.
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Well, from what you've posted here before you two sound very much like my father and I. He truly believed for a very long time that what he did really was in my best interest. I'm sure his intentions were that, but he refused to see anything negative about Straight for years and years afterward. I now know, as he has told me, that it was just too painful to admit that he was duped to the point of inflicting actual pain upon his child. He just couldn't face the guilt. Even with all the evidence in front of him (even Who admits that Straight was abusive), he just couldn't deal with it. He had to hold onto the notion and fairy tale that the end justified the means. I was "straight" for a while after getting out, but mainly because I was scared that if I did anything out of line, I'd be sent right back. Straight "worked" in the sense that it stopped me, temporarily, from smoking pot but because it was forced/coerced upon me, it didn't mean anything. I had to find out for myself what my own values and morals were. It wasn't something athat could be 'taught' at a behavior mod facility...especially when un or underqualified "staff" (read higher phase program kids) using known abusive tactics from known cults. You just can't pretty that shit up.
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thats a lie, and whats not fair to her is that you sent her in the first place. (if she even exists)
if she truly believed this place helped her she would be in here right next to you telling her story and how it saved her life and you two's relationship.
Geeese everything you dont want to hear is a lie. Is that the only way you can justify people disagreeing with you or having a different experience? I have read plenty of people here on fornits who dont want to talk about certain issues. You seem to have a tough time with the fact that she benifited from the program.
How many fathers and daughters do you know of that sit together on myspace or facebook or any other forum posting side by side?
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thats a lie, and whats not fair to her is that you sent her in the first place. (if she even exists)
if she truly believed this place helped her she would be in here right next to you telling her story and how it saved her life and you two's relationship.
Geeese everything you dont want to hear is a lie. Is that the only way you can justify people disagreeing with you or having a different experience? I have read plenty of people here on fornits who dont want to talk about certain issues. You seem to have a tough time with the fact that she benifited from the program.
How many fathers and daughters do you know of that sit together on myspace or facebook or any other forum posting side by side?
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I think you and she are a lot like my father and I. I've said before that even with how abusive everyone agrees Straight was, my dad and I BOTH were extolling the virtues of it at every turn during and after I got out. Hell, I was so good at it they sent me on "speaking engagements" to things like Rotary and Kiwanis. I'd stand up there, like a good little Straightling and talk about how awful jmy life was before, how grateful I am now and how wonderful my life is since finding Straight and how every kid could potentially benefit from its structure and tough love. My father still did for years after I woke up. The hold these cults have on people is strong and lasting......as is the damage.
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no, everything that you cover UP is a lie.
There are tons of people wo DON'T want to talk about it... but thoes are the people who want to foget it happened. The people like yourself and your "daughter" parade it about like some marvelous miracle cure and take pictures with staff that once fucked with them and attend retreats and post sing along camp like propaganda on youtube. You are the one on here promoting them, supporting them, applauding them... Not your daughter.
You hide behind the "confidentiality clause" that so many including PV hide behind when anyone who really is digging asks for instances and situations involving how the kids were "bad".
For you it's one excuss after another.
we don't believe not because we don't want to. We don't believe because we have see what you are doing before and we know this song and dance so well we could probably come on as a guest and convince you we were parents that had our child cured or even a PV staff if we really wanted to.
We know these people Who because we lived with these people, ate with them, worked wth them, and slept in the same room as them. When you spend that much time with a person you tend to learn and pick up on the bullshit.
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no, everything that you cover UP is a lie.
There are tons of people wo DON'T want to talk about it... but thoes are the people who want to foget it happened. The people like yourself and your "daughter" parade it about like some marvelous miracle cure and take pictures with staff that once fucked with them and attend retreats and post sing along camp like propaganda on youtube. You are the one on here promoting them, supporting them, applauding them... Not your daughter.
You hide behind the "confidentiality clause" that so many including PV hide behind when anyone who really is digging asks for instances and situations involving how the kids were "bad".
For you it's one excuss after another.
we don't believe not because we don't want to. We don't believe because we have see what you are doing before and we know this song and dance so well we could probably come on as a guest and convince you we were parents that had our child cured or even a PV staff if we really wanted to.
We know these people Who because we lived with these people, ate with them, worked wth them, and slept in the same room as them. When you spend that much time with a person you tend to learn and pick up on the bullshit.
I'm gonna keep saying it til they come back!! I want my emoticons!!!! This needs one of the 'not worthy', bowing guys.
Very well put!
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This thread and the who's legal ploys and attempts to derail, attack others, and basically be a dick is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
Really, I say he should be banned and he calls me racist.
LOL. Good one.
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Anne- So much for those "short and sweet replies" to the Who, eh? LOL!
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Water the flowers, little chickadees...
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Anne- So much for those "short and sweet replies" to the Who, eh? LOL!
I don't think they've been overly lengthy, but point taken. Couldn't help myself. And while I realize it may not be as poignant as "the who is a nigger", I feel I at least got a point across.
But again, point taken.
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There are tons of people wo DON'T want to talk about it... but thoes are the people who want to foget it happened.
Yes there are. I wouldn’t want to remember , maybe, if we had a bad experience
The people like yourself and your "daughter" parade it about like some marvelous miracle cure and take pictures with staff that once fucked with them and attend retreats and post sing along camp like propaganda on youtube.
Wow, I would like to see those posts!! Hmmmm! If you don’t produce them do we all get to call you a liar?
You are the one on here promoting them, supporting them, applauding them... Not your daughter.
Yes, I am.. I have been very up front about that.
You hide behind the "confidentiality clause" that so many including PV hide behind when anyone who really is digging asks for instances and situations involving how the kids were "bad".
No, you are new here, we all respect each others amount of information each of us is willing to share or is comfortable sharing. If someone doesn’t feel like sharing certain information we don’t push here or assume they are hiding something. Give yourself some time and read more posts you will see I am not much different (in this respect ) as many others here are.
For you it's one excuss after another.
I don’t make excuses.. I will be as candid as I can.
we don't believe not because we don't want to. We don't believe because we have see what you are doing before and we know this song and dance so well we could probably come on as a guest and convince you we were parents that had our child cured or even a PV staff if we really wanted to.
Maybe you could, but I have seen plenty of people come on here and convince you of their survivor stories… hook line and sinker.
We know these people Who because we lived with these people, ate with them, worked wth them, and slept in the same room as them. When you spend that much time with a person you tend to learn and pick up on the bullshit.
I know what you mean and that’s how it is when you are a parent. You know your child well. You know if the stories are true or not. You know by the tone in their voice if they are in trouble…. I know what other parents are going thru and it is very obvious by many posts here that you don’t have a clue about what parents go thru…. So there is a little we can learn from each other . Try to keep an open mind and continue to learn about the industry, recognize the changes as they occur and try to determine which programs are good and which are potentially abusive. We are all in a good position to help other families make better decisions.
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This thread and the who's legal ploys and attempts to derail, attack others, and basically be a dick is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
Really, I say he should be banned and he calls me racist.
LOL. Good one.
Look Niles, if you didn’t want that side of you exposed here you shouldn’t have started the thread. Anne confirmed your hate links/ porn and apparently you were called out for it. You are the one attacking, man up and take responsibility for your posts. You start a thread to try to get someone banned and then complain because they expose you as the racist that you are.
People are not just randomly called racist for no reason and I am not the only one who points this out. I do admit that you have calmed down with the porn posting and shock pictures over the past month, so I give you credit for trying to clean up. But don’t point fingers when you have that type of a past is all I'm saying. Smarten up.
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no who, the reality of the situation is what reason would a person have to lie and want to destroy a place like this if they had not gone? Most people who don't even know what they are or never been could care less. Only people who have been effected by it or realize the atrocities these place commit would be so inclined to get involved.
and only the people who support this type of "treatment" are peple who stand to gain financialy or have been so mentaly twisted they actualy but truly believe this nonsense is real... which one are you?
On the terms of you constantly encouraging parents to send their children how fucking DARE you. we have seen them, we know you said it and we bloody saw that you openly think and claim that these places helped your kid and can do so for others. If you look at any onf the kids from any program that "did well" they are just jack filled with moxie and willing to do seminars, videos, statements, and so forth. This is not a lie this is the balaitantly obvious fact that you choose to ignore when it is so clearly there.
This is not an issue of our honesty. Our integrity is not on the line. Perhaps the only thing we do that could be constrewed as "shady" would be that we remain annonymous and all sign under one name but that is for a very damn good reason that has already been explained. We have not lied, have have not spun any tall tale.
This industry only changes when someone realizes that the methods being used are killing people.
treatement ceneters of any kind have dark pasts surrounding them and they only change their tactics and practices when they are forced to.
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Anne confirmed your hate links/ porn and apparently you were called out for it.
WTF? I confirmed what?
Leave me out of your shit.
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no who, the reality of the situation is what reason would a person have to lie and want to destroy a place like this if they had not gone? Most people who don't even know what they are or never been could care less. Only people who have been effected by it or realize the atrocities these place commit would be so inclined to get involved.
Maybe a troll? I see them every day, monster. Like I said you are new here, get down into the message boards and read a little bit
On the terms of you constantly encouraging parents to send their children how fucking DARE you. we have seen them, we know you said it and we bloody saw that you openly think and claim that these places helped your kid and can do so for others.
Hmmm, I think I get to call you a liar now. How about starting to produce all of these posts of me encouraging parents to send their kids off…. If you cant produce them then you are the liar my man.
If you look at any onf the kids from any program that "did well" they are just jack filled with moxie and willing to do seminars, videos, statements, and so forth. This is not a lie this is the balaitantly obvious fact that you choose to ignore when it is so clearly there.
Again you show your lack of experience. I have seen many kids who have done well, moved on thru college and are doing great. The problem is that you haven’t meet them… they don’t post here because they are not angry.. they have put it all behind them like a bad bump in the road.
This is not an issue of our honesty. Our integrity is not on the line. Perhaps the only thing we do that could be constrewed as "shady" would be that we remain annonymous and all sign under one name but that is for a very damn good reason that has already been explained. We have not lied, have have not spun any tall tale.
I can accept that… but you have lied tonight when you stated I constantly encourage parents to send their kids away…. You seem to be needing propaganda?
This industry only changes when someone realizes that the methods being used are killing people.
treatement ceneters of any kind have dark pasts surrounding them and they only change their tactics and practices when they are forced to.
Again you are generalizing.. some places stand still others are constantly improving you cant throw them all in one bucket. As long as you maintain that mentality you will never accomplish anything here.
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not YOU, WE said you are like them in the fact that YOU support them openly yet your daughter does not.
Thats not a lie thats an obvious fact
YES YOU DID/ HAVE SPOKEN TO PARENTS.
YOU EVEN ADMITED THAT PARENTS HAVE BEEING MESSAGING YOU AND ASKING YOU QUESTIONS.
You talk to parents and tell them how these places are not what we say they are and as a parent have more knowlege on the subject then we do... you are doing exactly as we suggested.
Trolls would be coming in here and trying to DISCREDIT what we say. A trolls purpose is to be as petulant and distubing as possible to the fourms intent... This forums intent is (weather you realize it or not) AGAINST the troubled teen industry. If it was in support your claim might have some validity but it does not so that statement is worth less then a bag of monopoly money.
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not YOU, WE said you are like them in the fact that YOU support them openly yet your daughter does not.
Thats not a lie thats an obvious fact
My daughter doesn’t post here, yes that’s fact.
YES YOU DID/ HAVE SPOKEN TO PARENTS.
I speak to parents all the time.
YOU EVEN ADMITED THAT PARENTS HAVE BEEING MESSAGING YOU AND ASKING YOU QUESTIONS.
Yes they do
You talk to parents and tell them how these places are not what we say they are and as a parent have more knowlege on the subject then we do... you are doing exactly as we suggested.
I clarify questions that they have.. what does kidnapping mean? Do all schools use restraints? Are kids allowed to communicate with their families? Why is there so much porn posted on this site? Etc.
Trolls would be coming in here and trying to DISCREDIT what we say. A trolls purpose is to be as petulant and distubing as possible to the fourms intent... This forums intent is (weather you realize it or not) AGAINST the troubled teen industry. If it was in support your claim might have some validity but it does not so that statement is worth less then a bag of monopoly money.
Trolls disrupt any way they can, not just discredit, some do it for attention.
On the terms of you constantly encouraging parents to send their children how fucking DARE you. we have seen them,….
Have you found any of these posts yet you claimed to have seen? Many of us are curious to see how I encourage parents to send their kids away.
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YOU HAVE TOLD PEOPLE THAT WE ARE BIASED AND TO SPEAK TO YOU.
If you can't put the rest together who then we really shoukdent even be talking to you.
All of us are not attacking you because we like it. aere not against you because we have some strange agenda against you, we verbaly yell at you because you have proven time and time again that you cannot be trusted and your intrest is in the well being of RTC like "schools"
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1. Maybe a troll? I see them every day, monster. Like I said you are new here, get down into the message boards and read a little bit
2. Again you show your lack of experience. I have seen many kids who have done well, moved on thru college and are doing great. The problem is that you haven’t meet them… they don’t post here because they are not angry.. they have put it all behind them like a bad bump in the road.
3. Again you are generalizing.. some places stand still others are constantly improving you cant throw them all in one bucket. As long as you maintain that mentality you will never accomplish anything here.
1. Doesnt' matter that they are new. The monsters "GET IT". This ain't space camp.
2. It's 17 years later for me. I graduated as a model student. I graduated from a respected university. I didn't think about it for many years but now I see it for what it was.
An abusive cult.
You don't know or give a shit about what graduates think.
3. The industry threw us all in one bucket. The industry has it coming. The industry doesn't give a fuck about us now. The monsters are exactly what they are. The product of a fucked up program in a fucked up industry. There are no free lunches. The industry is has it coming. The industry is soley responsible for it's own demise.
And for every alleged 'good program' out there that doesn't address the evils of the industry and it's corrupt origngs - they are guilty by association. They are guilty of watching violent crimes being comitted just inches from their property line and not doing anything about it.
Your alleged 'good programs' use many of the same tactics, strategies, and cultspeak language.
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"YOU EVEN ADMITED THAT PARENTS HAVE BEEING MESSAGING YOU AND ASKING YOU QUESTIONS. "
He's lying about that. No parent messages him. No parent emails him. He just wants other parents to think they do.
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the point still stands. his intent is well received.
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YOU HAVE TOLD PEOPLE THAT WE ARE BIASED AND TO SPEAK TO YOU.
If you can't put the rest together who then we really shoukdent even be talking to you.
All of us are not attacking you because we like it. aere not against you because we have some strange agenda against you, we verbaly yell at you because you have proven time and time again that you cannot be trusted and your intrest is in the well being of RTC like "schools"
I have been called everything in the book from child abuser to industry shill because they listen to all the crap that is said or just make things up for the fun of it because I don’t agree with everything they say.
You have been making assumptions about me since you got here, without knowing me. You hop on the band wagon and point your finger and condemn.. you listen to every juicy story (true or not) and accept them at face value (no questions asked ) until your hatred boils… now you say that I encourage parents to send their kids away…
I want you to prove it or admit that you are a liar. Now that I know you are a liar it throws into question everything else you have been saying on this forum. Where does the truth end and the lies begin with you “The Monsters”? You have no credibility left.
Provide some links or testimony which supports your statement against me or retract your statement.
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who, we could have a photo of you teabagging a knocked out child and you STILL would deny it.
Nothing can be proven to you because in your mind you are always right and as such even evidence that does come up you discard.
This is no bandwagon, this in the consequence for your actions of flapping your gums without thinking and telling various people both parents and past RTC patients alike that they never went.
The only liar here is you Who. And even though you will never admit it and possibly never even come to terms with it. Thats just the way it is. You trying to convince us of what we know to be wrong is like what I refered to eariler. Trying to convince everyone that a pickle is a bicycle.
We dispise and hate what you do and say and yet we still voted for you to not be banned because to do so would not only tarnish what we have said about what you tell parents but also it would make us no better then you and in the end thats something we are not willing to comprimise ourselves for.
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The monsters are credible.
They are the real deal.
Their truth begins and ends with calling bullshit on the cultfueled profit mill of child abuse.
You kick a dog so many times and it's going to turn on you. You should have learned that by age 10.
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Note the period after Psy. and note how many posts Psy. has vs. how many Psy has.