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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: ajax13 on January 11, 2008, 10:05:06 PM
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http://www.aarc.ab.ca/images/media/befo ... efroma.pdf (http://www.aarc.ab.ca/images/media/before/rescuefroma.pdf)
Where to start? This article calls the AARC program "the only one of its's kind in North America." Except for Straight, Kids, Kids Helping Kids, Pathways, Life and the other TCs, some closed down, some waiting to be closed.
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/fundraising/Novem ... letter.pdf (http://www.aarc.ab.ca/fundraising/November%20Newsletter.pdf)
"Yesterday
AARC was created as a community response to growing recognition of the need for a Calgary based intensive treatment program for chemically dependent adolescents. A powerful combination of concerned parents, members of Calgary‟s Downtown Rotary Club, and the Provincial Government established AARC in the early 1990‟s. Dr. F. Dean Vause was hired to develop a clinical model that could reach these severely addicted youth. He had set out to find a solution to the dark disease after losing 3 students to drugs and alcohol in a high school, where he was a counsellor. His doctoral thesis was the development of a therapeutic process and recovery centre for chemically dependant youth and their families ~ a blueprint for AARC"
In 1998 Dean-o was the "founder of AARC". In 2006 AARC turned out to have been founded by members of the Downtown Rotary Club, concerend parents, and the Provincial Government. Vause did not write a thesis. He submitted something called a "Project Demonstrating Excellence" to the Union Institutee.
"F Dean Vause PhD 1994 The Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre: A Treatment Centre for Chemical Dependent Youth and Their Families"
http://www.tui.edu/directories/default.asp (http://www.tui.edu/directories/default.asp)?
sortcol=focus&printme=1&dirCat=PDE
AARC opened in 1992. Vause got his PhD in 1994. Apparently he wrote up a blueprint after he opened AARC. As a rule, one follows plans to construct something, rather than drawing up a "blueprint" after construction. But then again, all he had prior to opening AARC was a year or so as an underling in Miller Newton's cult.
"MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with assistance in developing the program of the Alberta > since its
inception originally as Kids of the Canadian West."
http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.asp ... =doc&fid=1 (http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=han§ion=doc&fid=1)
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Yes that would be quite the feat to run a treatment center for a few years prior to developing the model on running said treatment center.
Doesn't a PhD. require a considerable amount of work that would be difficult to accomplish while being the executive director of a drug treatment center?
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Well, in defensive of the great dodgeball master, he wasn't Executive Director the whole time. If we believe AARC, the Wiz worked on his Project for four years. So he was researching his PhD while he bounced between NJ, Vancouver, and Calgary, conducting his basement exorcisms and founding AARC. Lucky for the Wiz he was enrolled at the Union Institute, and not a school like the University of Calgary, where a PhD candidate must complete a 1600 hour predoctoral clinical internship. Unless time spent in Miller Newton's cult was a clinical internship. Depending on the day though, Dean-o may claim AARC was started in 1990, or '92. It's 1990 if the main concern is to convey his experience, '92 if he's trying to hide the fact that AARC is Kids.
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Whats this?
http://www.tui.edu/history/acc.asp (http://www.tui.edu/history/acc.asp)
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Whats this?
Does it have anything to do with this? Here's good ol' Union:
"Criteria
The admissions criteria, in order of priority, are the following.
1) Intellectual/analytical ability and academic preparation as demonstrated through transcripts, letters of recommendation, application essay, and telephone interview.
2) Openness to and interest in doctoral research and advanced learning--or, stated differently, the absence of a dogmatic or closed or fixed point of view.
3) Reasonable fit within the three areas of concentration.
4) Related considerations such as a personal/professional schedule that makes it possible for an applicant to participate fully in the low-residency format, ability to work with others, and similar factors."
Here's the University of Calgary:
"Entrance Requirements
Entrance requirements for admission into the Clinical Psychology Graduate Program:
a four-year undergraduate honours degree in Psychology;
a minimum GPA of 3.6 over the last 20 half courses completed;
Graduate Record Examination (GRE) general test scores. The minimum criteria set is the 50th percentile in each the Verbal and Quantitative dimensions, although, applicants with scores less than the 60th percentile will not typically be admitted;
applicants whose background language is not English must take either the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) and achieve a score greater than 600 (written test) or 250 (computer-based test), or successfully complete Level III of the Learning English for Academic Purposes (LEAP) Program"
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Here's more from Union:
"School of Professional Psychology Training
SOPP offers online courses each semester. They are not required, but are an option for completing new learning in the various areas within clinical psychology. SOPP online courses include such topics as experimental research design & statistics; biological bases of behavior; psychopathology; and forensic psychology.
SOPP Professional Psychology Workshops (Pro Workshops) are 3-day residency events, offered Sunday through Tuesday. They are held three times a year in Cincinnati, Ohio in January, April, and October following national faculty meetings. If you matriculate on or after October 1, 2002, you’re required to participate in two of these each year. Content includes presentations (approximately 1.5 hours each) by both faculty and learners, on topics such as the new HIPPA guidelines, Gestalt Psychotherapy, and new developments in treatment modalities specific to various clinical populations. Also included are sessions about the Learning Agreement, the structure of the Project Demonstrating Excellence (Dissertation), and various research methods."
University of Calgary:
" PhD I
Breadth Course
Elective Course
Specialty Practicum
Advanced Clinical Seminar
PhD II
Advanced Clinical Seminar
Specialty Practicum
Dissertation Research
PhD III
Pre-Doctoral Clinical Internship
Completion of Ph.D. degree
Students must take breadth courses in four areas, as stipulated by CPA and APA accreditation criteria."
The Union institute offers some optional online courses and requires two three-day workshops per year. University of Calgary requires two years of course work.
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http://www.aarc.ab.ca/images/media/before/rescuefroma.pdf
Where to start? This article calls the AARC program "the only one of its's kind in North America." Except for Straight, Kids, Kids Helping Kids, Pathways, Life and the other TCs, some closed down, some waiting to be closed.
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/fundraising/Novem ... letter.pdf (http://www.aarc.ab.ca/fundraising/November%20Newsletter.pdf)
"Yesterday
AARC was created as a community response to growing recognition of the need for a Calgary based intensive treatment program for chemically dependent adolescents. A powerful combination of concerned parents, members of Calgary‟s Downtown Rotary Club, and the Provincial Government established AARC in the early 1990‟s. Dr. F. Dean Vause was hired to develop a clinical model that could reach these severely addicted youth. He had set out to find a solution to the dark disease after losing 3 students to drugs and alcohol in a high school, where he was a counsellor. His doctoral thesis was the development of a therapeutic process and recovery centre for chemically dependant youth and their families ~ a blueprint for AARC"
VERY interesting newsletter with a physician extolling the value of AARC and AARC methods. so, AJaX you provided a link to a DOCTOR's opinion of AARC . . .hmmmm seems very positive to me. You keep ranting that Vause does not have a medical license but then you provide the testimony of a person WITH a medical license that praises the work done at AARC
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The physician in question is an AARC parent. This person chose to reject the entire body of medical understanding and practise, sending her offspring to receive the ministrations of a phys ed teacher in order to remedy an alleged dependence on marijuana.
Secondly, the person in question managed to raise a child who was resorting to cannabis use in the seventh grade.
Perhaps you might find a physician's opinion from a physician who is not affiliated with AARC, or in the business of consulting on behalf of private drug treatment programs. This precludes Stanhope, Goresky, Hogg, Ray Baker, etc.
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The physician in question is an AARC parent. This person chose to reject the entire body of medical understanding and practise, sending her offspring to receive the ministrations of a phys ed teacher in order to remedy an alleged dependence on marijuana.
Secondly, the person in question managed to raise a child who was resorting to cannabis use in the seventh grade.
Perhaps you might find a physician's opinion from a physician who is not affiliated with AARC, or in the business of consulting on behalf of private drug treatment programs. This precludes Stanhope, Goresky, Hogg, Ray Baker, etc.
oh really LOL. NOw being a trained medical doctor is not good enough for Ajax BECAUSE her son is an addict - R U freaking kidding me . . AND you? KNOW the entire "body of medical understanding and practise" in the area of addictions - you didn't even know who Michael Q Patton was!!! LOL only one of the most internationally reknowned treatment outcome evaluation experts there is . . but no matter - only what serves AJax's view of reality is ok to AJAX . . . . you wonder why media , police or politician will listen to you!!! if they could just link your reality to the REAL world then you might hit a home run there, buddy!
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As requested previously, find a physician's analysis of AARC from someone who isn't an AARC parent, AARC board member, or consultant to private treatment facilities. And by the way, I certainly do question a physician parent whose 11 year old develops a dependence on marijuana. As to Patton, not an MD. And a faculty member from the Union Institute, a mail-order school that has provided at least two AARC staff with degrees, provided Miller Newton with his degrees, and took money from AARC charitable funds. Additionally, Patton's school has provided numerous people to endorse AARC, as they did Kids.
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As requested previously, find a physician's analysis of AARC from someone who isn't an AARC parent, AARC board member, or consultant to private treatment facilities. And by the way, I certainly do question a physician parent whose 11 year old develops a dependence on marijuana. As to Patton, not an MD. And a faculty member from the Union Institute, a mail-order school that has provided at least two AARC staff with degrees, provided Miller Newton with his degrees, and took money from AARC charitable funds. Additionally, Patton's school has provided numerous people to endorse AARC, as they did Kids.
I think I would go with the person who is a trained professional i.e. MD especially a d family phsyician who has actually attended AARC and knows first-hand if the process is questionable over very sick kids who end up in front of juvenile court judges!! but AJAX your world is definitely different than mine . . . and I am truly blessed for that! for instance you chose AS AN ADULT to get involved with a woman that you repeatedly describe has very alarming probelms, which started before even going to AARC.
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So you're saying that these unlicensed amateurs, the Wiz, the Clinicals, and Peer Counselors included, are performing a medical intervention of some kind at AARC? Does this then constitute performing a Restricted Activity? If it does, then they are breaking the law since none of these people is legally permitted to perform such Restricted Activity.
I am in total agreement with you that having been held against one's will in a religious facility run by a phys ed teacher posing as a psychologist could cause real problems to a young person. Likewise being subjected to the bizarre rituals supervised by the Peer Counselors and given to the Oldcomer in host homes. No question, the entire experience at AARC can cause an array of problems for young people forced into the program.
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So you're saying that these unlicensed amateurs, the Wiz, the Clinicals, and Peer Counselors included, are performing a medical intervention of some kind at AARC?
huh . . can you read and comprehend english or not??
Does this then constitute performing a Restricted Activity? If it does, then they are breaking the law since none of these people is legally permitted to perform such Restricted Activity.
huh again?
I am in total agreement with you that having been held against one's will in a religious facility run by a phys ed teacher posing as a psychologist could cause real problems to a young person.
and where did the respondent say those things? what was said was that they would listen to a MD over a person who was a juvenile delinquent . ..hmmm .... listen to someone who has never been a juvenile delinquent and who has gone through medicine and is certified in family medicine VS listen to a confirmed juvenile deliquent and her sick BF that comes along 10 years later and has only been listening to juvenile delinquents' stories. i'll go with the MD . . thanks
Likewise being subjected to the bizarre rituals supervised by the Peer Counselors and given to the Oldcomer in host homes. No question, the entire experience at AARC can cause an array of problems for young people forced into the program.
again, a family physician that knows first-hand what the actual process was does not describe it like you do (you being a person taking 2nd-hand BS from a juvenile delinquent)
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Are you still referring to the family physician who managed to produce an 11 year-old-son who was dependent on marijuana? Is this the same family physician who paid to have this son treated by a phys ed teacher through the use of prayer, confession, and listening to music?
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Are you still referring to the family physician who managed to produce an 11 year-old-son who was dependent on marijuana? Is this the same family physician who paid to have this son treated by a phys ed teacher through the use of prayer, confession, and listening to music?
what is the saying - don't argue with an idiot . . . they (ajax13) try to bring you down to their level so they can beat you with their experience (of being an idiot)!!!
Ok for fun and amusement - juvenile delinquent VS professional - which would you choose?? uhmmmm . . .jeezz that is such a hard question f0r some people but . . . I'll go with medical professional who is able to get articles published in peer reviewed periodicals . . . kinda a no-brainer for some BUT not so for AJAX13
treated by a phys ed teacher through the use of prayer, confession, and listening to music?
. . . and that would be a technical description by a obsessed BF of a juvenile delinquent speaking.. uhm . . again, let me be clear . . I would choose to listen to the medical professional and even if their kid got hooked on MJ
PS I thought AARC was in the business of misdiagnosing kids with addiction . . now you are saying this parent's kid was dependent on marijuana???? you need to make up your mind, buddy
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The personal life of the physician to whom I think you are referring is beyond the scope of my understanding and knowledge. From a personal standpoint, I find it stunning that this person managed to raise a child who was resorting to the use of marijuana at age 11. While this is anecdotal, the only kids I knew smoking reefer at 11 came from seriously troubled homes, where they suffered from negelct, physical abuse or sexual predation. Why this particular doctor's son was on the green at 11 is known only to the boy in question.
However, you are quite entitled to embrace your opinion of a doctor who chose to pay to have her son forced to confess, pray and listen to music in order to cure his alleged addicition to marijuana. My opinion is that some serious cognitive disonnance is at work.
Again, feel free to provide a detailed physician's analysis of the treatment modality at AARC, from the confessions of sexual history to the forced prayer, to Zero Club, to the forced idolatry of handing oneself over to the "higher power". But please, make sure that the physician is not an AARC board member, AARC parent, or consultant to any private addiction treatment centres.
I await with baited breath the judgement of any unaffiliated physician when it comes to the effectiveness of listening to Joan Osborne or G 'n' R in rehabillitating teen marijuana addicts.
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I await with baited breath the judgement of any unaffiliated physician when it comes to the effectiveness of listening to Joan Osborne or G 'n' R in rehabillitating teen marijuana addicts.
I went to a hypnotist who played a combination of Boz Scaggs and Carly Simon when I went to one to quit smoking once, If that helps any. It worked for awhile.
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Did you stay at the hypnotists every day and spend every night in the homes of other clients for six months? While staying in these homes, was the client with more time in hypnosis put in charge of you, locking you in their room, complete with barred windows, every night? Were you forced to pray and accept a high power in order to advance from the first phase, and thus progress to some degree of freedom in the hope of one day being allowed out of the hypnosis program?
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Did you stay at the hypnotists every day and spend every night in the homes of other clients for six months? While staying in these homes, was the client with more time in hypnosis put in charge of you, locking you in their room, complete with barred windows, every night? Were you forced to pray and accept a high power in order to advance from the first phase, and thus progress to some degree of freedom in the hope of one day being allowed out of the hypnosis program?
Wow, you are intense... omm, I dont really know, maybe. I was hypnotized at the time, so I cant say for sure. I didnt lose any weight, but then I was only there for smoking. My friends said I was only gone a few hours, but they could have been goofing on me.
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As your experience does not seem to have much in common with people held in Straight-type programs, such as AARC, what was your point? You are aware that this is a forum related to Straight and Straight descended programs, are you not? So again, what does your few hours at a hypnotist have to do with being held for months in a faclity in which you are allowed no contact with family or friends, no use of a telephone, and are forced to accept a particular religious view in order to advance through the program and eventually gain your freedom?
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As your experience does not seem to have much in common with people held in Straight-type programs, such as AARC, what was your point? You are aware that this is a forum related to Straight and Straight descended programs, are you not? So again, what does your few hours at a hypnotist have to do with being held for months in a faclity in which you are allowed no contact with family or friends, no use of a telephone, and are forced to accept a particular religious view in order to advance through the program and eventually gain your freedom?
Have you ever experienced hypnotism?
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Can't say that I was ever that gullible. My grandmother was a fortune teller who read tea leaves, tarot cards and even healed people with a physiotherapy machine that emitted low doses of electricity to the patients. I've been conditioned to recognize a quack at 200 yards.
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The personal life of the physician to whom I think you are referring is beyond the scope of my understanding and knowledge.
Honey, you are the one providing just such information on this phsycian who wrote the article which was provided by link above (the link you provided , BTW)
From a personal standpoint, I find it stunning that this person managed to raise a child who was resorting to the use of marijuana at age 11. While this is anecdotal, the only kids I knew smoking reefer at 11 came from seriously troubled homes, where they suffered from negelct, physical abuse or sexual predation. Why this particular doctor's son was on the green at 11 is known only to the boy in question.
spoken like a leading expert of anecdotal comment on addiction LOL
Again, feel free to provide a detailed physician's analysis of the treatment modality at AARC, from the confessions of sexual history to the forced prayer, to Zero Club, to the forced idolatry of handing oneself over to the "higher power". But please, make sure that the physician is not an AARC board member, AARC parent, or consultant to any private addiction treatment centres.
and the only people that hold the truth are your delinquent friends whose actions put them infront of a judge on numerous occasions. . hmmmmm they sound really trustwrotthy sources to me roflmao
I await with baited breath the judgement of any non-juvenile delinquent that was up on armed robbery charges in the early adolescent stage of their life. You know that little girl from medicine hat that killed her family with her 21 yr. old BF - your sources are similar!
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Honey, it's not my fault that you put your kid in AARC. It was incumbent upon you to look out for the kid and instead you gave him to a quack phys ed teacher with his hijacked cult. And then, after subjecting your child to that mind-fuck, you still haven't owned up to your responsibility, instead trying to attack me because I'm willing to speak the truth about your shitty decision.
By the way, I never claimed to be an expert on anything. I simply believe that the parent bears responsibility when an 11 year old starts sparking up the herb. If my child were toking at 11, I would know that I had seriously fucked up and wouldn't blame it on a disease. I also would not foist my kid off onto a phys ed teacher who claims to have discovered the secret to drug rehabillitation after he left an infamously abusive cult.
But that's just me, Sweetheart.
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Honey, it's not my fault that you put your kid in AARC. It was incumbent upon you to look out for the kid and instead you gave him to a quack phys ed teacher with his hijacked cult. And then, after subjecting your child to that mind-fuck, you still haven't owned up to your responsibility, instead trying to attack me because I'm willing to speak the truth about your shitty decision.
Sorry you got me confused with your GF's mommy - I haven't put any of my kids through AARC . . but you just keep telling yourself those funny stories.
By the way, I never claimed to be an expert on anything. I simply believe that the parent bears responsibility when an 11 year old starts sparking up the herb. If my child were toking at 11, I would know that I had seriously fucked up and wouldn't blame it on a disease. I also would not foist my kid off onto a phys ed teacher who claims to have discovered the secret to drug rehabillitation after he left an infamously abusive cult.
But that's just me, Sweetheart.
so back to the task at hand - the point being that your sources are highly suspect and reasonable people would tend to listen to a family physician rather than a juvenile delinquent.
BTW you like subjecting your kid to the mentality of someone who (before AARC) kept ending up in trouble with the cops and up on some serious charges. If I allowed my child around someone with that kind of background, I would know that I had seriously fucked up . . . I also WOULD foist my kid off onto a phys ed teacher rather than a notorious little juvy .
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As there is no way to tell which of you AARColytes is which, I'm going to go with my hunch that you're the crazy AARC mother who was posting here in the summer. Again, you gave your kid to a phys teacher and his cult, and pretended that the kid was receiving drug treatment. Now that it is quite apparent that you blew it, you've latched onto the cult and are lashing out at me because I'm willing to speak the truth about the cult.
Sucks to be you.
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As there is no way to tell which of you AARColytes is which, I'm going to go with my hunch that you're the crazy AARC mother who was posting here in the summer. Again, you gave your kid to a phys teacher and his cult, and pretended that the kid was receiving drug treatment. Now that it is quite apparent that you blew it, you've latched onto the cult and are lashing out at me because I'm willing to speak the truth about the cult.
Sucks to be you.
And despite of you veiled attempts to avoid the focus of this discussion - you show how inept you truly are. whenever someone exposes your true inabilty to reason you switch to the ridiculous accusations that they are an AARC parent and then berate them for sending their kids to AARC etc etc and despite the fact that your information comes from a juvenile deliquent LOLOLOL
nope, i am not a 'crazy AARC mother" (or "bitch from last summer" as you called me in another post). But I am obviously someone that rings your bell BECAUSE anytime you can't come up with an answer to a direct assertion that makes complete sense you degenerate to riciulous assertions about things that have nothing to do with stream of comments that incorporate the posts in question.
So, for those 'following at home' - wasn't this about the credibility of a family physicain VS Ajax's juvvy GF . . .hmmmmm :beat:
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I read both the articles. It just does not make sense. One says this Vause guy started AARC and the other one says the Rotary club government and parents started it and only hired Vause! One of them has to be wrong
As requested previously, find a physician's analysis of AARC from someone who isn't an AARC parent, AARC board member, or consultant to private treatment facilities. And by the way, I certainly do question a physician parent whose 11 year old develops a dependence on marijuana.
I've been looking around and there is NO mainstream literature available referring clinets to AARC!
211 won't recomment them, aadac won't either. Street survival guide and youth guide books have no mention of AARC at all.
IF the program has this 90% success rate and If this patton guy and that doctor endorse the program so much why isn't it listed anywhere as a resource?
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ajax13 wrote:So you're saying that these unlicensed amateurs, the Wiz, the Clinicals, and Peer Counselors included, are performing a medical intervention of some kind at AARC?
huh . . can you read and comprehend english or not??
Does this then constitute performing a Restricted Activity? If it does, then they are breaking the law since none of these people is legally permitted to perform such Restricted Activity.
huh again?
You don't remember your own comments? You clearly speak of a medical doctor and other professionals giving their expert endorsement of the addiction treatment at AARC.
Your comments:
VERY interesting newsletter with a physician extolling the value of AARC and AARC methods. so, AJaX you provided a link to a DOCTOR's opinion of AARC . . .hmmmm seems very positive to me. You keep ranting that Vause does not have a medical license but then you provide the testimony of a person WITH a medical license that praises the work done at AARC
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You don't remember your own comments? You clearly speak of a medical doctor and other professionals giving their expert endorsement of the addiction treatment at AARC.
your name needs to be changed from 'unreal' to 'IQ=45' - read the links provided, which start the conversation you just stumbled into and try your hardest to follow the conversation - medical doctor that did a residency in family practice (therefore is not only a MD but a CCFP) publishes article in peer-reviewed medical journal extolling the value of AARC for treating addicted adolescents. but oh-so-brilliant-ajax prefers to source juvenile delinquents for information. Now your hero, AJAX posted the newsletter that included the reference to the Canadian Family Physician Vol.52 2006 article not me!! I was just wondering if you and he are dealing with only a couple poorly communicating brain cells. He prefers to listen to juvenile delinquents than professionals that get published in medical journals?? :jawdrop:
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Still waiting for one of you AARColytes to answer the questions:
Are the Peer Counselors and Clinical staff at AARC performing Resricted Activities as defined in the Health Profesionals Act. If so, are they legally entitled to do so?
Come on AARColytes, here's your chance to say something, and you don't even have to send me a cheque!
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Still waiting for one of you AARColytes to answer the questions:
Are the Peer Counselors and Clinical staff at AARC performing Resricted Activities as defined in the Health Profesionals Act. If so, are they legally entitled to do so?
Come on AARColytes, here's your chance to say something, and you don't even have to send me a cheque!
how typical . . . AJAX can't win the argument about whether one should trust the testimonial of a physician vs a juvenile delinquent so he either attacks and insists you are a deranged AARC parent or changes the subject or both. I guess when you can't accomplish much more in life besides adopting a screwed up woman and working on oil rigs for a living . . well we really can't expect much.
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For your reading pleasure - read different accounts of AJAX's main source of information on the AARC process. Look up articles entitled:
Back from the Edge by Paula Hudson-Lunn Parent Quaterly
Addiction: A Mother battles her children's demons Calgary Herald November 23, 2002
Miracle: A Chrismas Story The Hillhurst Sunnyside Vol 15 No.10
The dots were connected years ago between you and the woman that those articles are written about. The articles all tell how Ajax's spouse/GF was before she even heard of AARC. AJAX finds this social mis-fit to be a reliable source of information. I'll go with the physician who obtained her MD and CCFP before SHE even heard of AARC whether or not her 11 yr. old. smoked pot . . . are you sure you aren't a little like your grandma there, buddy. you seem to rely on the 'woowoo FU - type' for info LOL
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By all means, take the opinion of a medical professional who turned her kid over to a gym teacher-turned-cult-leader who claims to have developed a surefire rehabillitation for drug abuse.
I'm still waiting for a physician's analysis of AARC's methods, from the forced prayer and confession, to the music rituals, to the employment of Peer Counselors for the bulk of the "treatment".
But a physician who is not an AARC parent, nor an AARC Board Member, nor a consultant to private addiction treatment facilities.
The lady who wrote those articles was allowed to run a host home by AARC for two years in spite of the fact that she has a history of drug and alcohol abuse and neglect of her children going back twenty-five years. She was however, able to scrape up money for AARC, so she was warmly embraced while her daugher was sexually assaulted and beaten in the Gilbertsen and Clement homes. Ms. Hudson-Lunn currently resides with the fourth in a series of indigent men to whom she gave the financial resources that ought to have gone to her children. This particular fellow met Ms. Hudson-Lunn while both were being treated for cocaine addiction about six or seven years ago.
Ms. Hudson Lunn, cocaine addict and oft-used host home provider for AARC.
But back to the question for all you AARColytes, is the AARC staff performing Restricted Activities which they are not permitted to perform due to their total lack of professional qualifications?
Anybody?
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The lady who wrote those articles was allowed to run a host home by AARC for two years in spite of the fact that she has a history of drug and alcohol abuse and neglect of her children going back twenty-five years. She was however, able to scrape up money for AARC, so she was warmly embraced while her daugher was sexually assaulted and beaten in the Gilbertsen and Clement homes. Ms. Hudson-Lunn currently resides with the fourth in a series of indigent men to whom she gave the financial resources that ought to have gone to her children. This particular fellow met Ms. Hudson-Lunn while both were being treated for cocaine addiction about six or seven years ago.
Ms. Hudson Lunn, cocaine addict and oft-used host home provider for AARC.
And she is the mother of your 'informant' . . . and we should take the word of you and your juvy on this as well LOL regardless, you might want to READ those articles. your juvy sounds exactly like her mommy then. AND I'll take the physician's word on AARC over all of your camp!
But back to the question for all you AARColytes, is the AARC staff performing Restricted Activities which they are not permitted to perform due to their total lack of professional qualifications?
Anybody?
'Restricteed activities' must be the content of another thread,honey. you've got too many 'balls' in the air LOL is your juvy still contributing to that situation for you? because we know she leads you around by them.
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Honey, this is a simple question. Having put your kid in AARC, I am counting on you to know the answer. Are the staff at AARC performing Restricted Activities, and if so are they entitled to do so?
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Honey, this is a simple question. Having put your kid in AARC, I am counting on you to know the answer. Are the staff at AARC performing Restricted Activities, and if so are they entitled to do so?
Honey, I realize you struggle with english . . well, and a lot of other things . . but like I keep telling you - I don't meet the criteria of "AARC parent" . you can keep wishin but your little dream-life just is not true . :heartbreak:
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Honey, I simply don't believe you. Then again, it's irrelevant. But, by all means take a stab at answering the question. Is the Clinical and Peer Staff at AARC performing Restricted Activities, and are the legally entitled to do so?
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Honey, I simply don't believe you.
ohhh, how hurtful . . . and how consistent with how your world works . . only greg elliott knows the truth about anything because he has a grandma that was a psychic!!
so to continue on with what was in THIS thread - Dr. McMahon's testament to the brlliance of AARC . . . . . .
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The original topic of this thread was the lie that the Wizard had created the AARC model. Untrue, he stole it from Miller Newton. That's why the phases, the total isolation of Newcomers, the host homes, the Peer Counselors, the raps, the Synanon style group hate sessions, the confessions and praying, are all identical to Kids. But then AARC was originally called Kids.
But as I stated earlier, feel free to embrace Dr. McMahon's love for AARC. I on the other hand am still waiting for an analysis from a doctor who is not an AARC parent, not an AARC board member, and not a consultant to private addiction treatment centres.
I can't help but lump Dr. McMahon in with the other physician parents who put their offspring in Kids, since they chose to forsake legitimate medical treatment and place their children in a cult run by a complete amateur posing as a mental health expert. You know, that phys ed teacher who worked at Kids and then claimed to have invented a method to rehabillitate drug addicts.
Too bad you did the same thing with your kid.
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[The original topic of this thread was the lie that the Wizard had created the AARC model. Untrue, he stole it from Miller Newton. That's why the phases, the total isolation of Newcomers, the host homes, the Peer Counselors, the raps, the Synanon style group hate sessions, the confessions and praying, are all identical to Kids. But then AARC was originally called Kids.
uh huh
I can't help but lump Dr. McMahon in with the other physician parents who put their offspring in Kids, since they chose to forsake legitimate medical treatment and place their children in a cult run by a complete amateur posing as a mental health expert.
are you referring to the same mental health expert that actually provides the help that other agencies (including those within the CHR umbrella) could not provide to these parents? oh sorry, that would be a yes, right. tell me, does your AARC grad think she would have just stopped using on her own at the time she entered AARC ? NOT likely . . she would still be visiting court rooms and making longterm friends with probation officers . . . you just don't get it, do you funnyboy
Too bad you did the same thing with your kid.
you keep a talkin but you don't keep al listenin :lala:
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I can't help but lump Dr. McMahon in with the other physician parents who put their offspring in Kids, since they chose to forsake legitimate medical treatment and place their children in a cult run by a complete amateur posing as a mental health expert.
are you referring to the same mental health expert that actually provides the help that other agencies (including those within the CHR umbrella) could not provide to these parents? oh sorry, that would be a yes, right. tell me, does your AARC grad think she would have just stopped using on her own at the time she entered AARC ? NOT likely . . she would still be visiting court rooms and making longterm friends with probation officers . . . you just don't get it, do you funnyboy
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i love this thread . . . how come AARC works, even for kids that nothing else will work for???
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The original topic of this thread was the lie that the Wizard had created the AARC model. Untrue, he stole it from Miller Newton. That's why the phases, the total isolation of Newcomers, the host homes, the Peer Counselors, the raps, the Synanon style group hate sessions, the confessions and praying, are all identical to Kids. But then AARC was originally called Kids.
But as I stated earlier, feel free to embrace Dr. McMahon's love for AARC. I on the other hand am still waiting for an analysis from a doctor who is not an AARC parent, not an AARC board member, and not a consultant to private addiction treatment centres.
I can't help but lump Dr. McMahon in with the other physician parents who put their offspring in Kids, since they chose to forsake legitimate medical treatment and place their children in a cult run by a complete amateur posing as a mental health expert. You know, that phys ed teacher who worked at Kids and then claimed to have invented a method to rehabillitate drug addicts.
Too bad you did the same thing with your kid.
Its always the same thing....AJAX is right, the fundamental truth about the methodology is faulty, I dont care who created it, or who advocates it....its a faulty system, period. Whoever this person is who keeps beating the "medical professional vs juvenile delinquent" thing is just beating a completely useless point. One instance of adverse perspectives is just moot...moot moot MOOT.
DO your research, the FACTS about this method and these programs are there, validated by numerous courts of law...theres your damn professionals.
Parents and advocates of these programs were 100% a part of the brainwashing cultic process of the facilities, they ARE NOT qualified to make judgements on the effectiveness of the programs...not only that but even when they try they cant produce one that comes even close to matching the vast, overwhelming stack of adverse. documented facts about this method.
The fact that AARC is a direct offshoot of a cultic fraudulent treatment modality is irrefutable, period. All of this we took the bad and made it good is very simply impossible......just impossible. Anyone whos been through it would know that, Honey.
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"Synanon Church, Straight's progenitor, had its own cult doctors (and attorneys). It was these doctors who performed the mass sterilizations on all the male Synanites. But if a Synanite kid had to go to a specialist off-site, the child was taken by a parent other than his own. Straight is a cult which places emphasis on recruiting parents with special backgrounds especially medical doctors, dentist, nurses, and attorneys. The child must be controlled at all times as to what he could tell an outsider. If a child gets sick then he is sent to a program doctor (preferably one has had one of his own kids in the cult so that he has been conditioned never to believe anything a "druggie" says bad about Straight.) Or the child is sent to a doctor accompanied by an adult program official or a parent other than his own, and escorted by a same-sex old comer who actually follows the sick child into the doctor's examining room telling the doctor the child is a "druggie", subject to violence, and she is there to protect the doctor should the client "act out". This logic closed down Straight-Southern California. When a big burly doctor was told this about a quite, little girl he told the old comer to take a hike. This big man just sort of felt he could protect himself from being beaten up by a little girl! Alone with an outsider for the first time the little girl told a chilling story of horror including having a sock crammed down her throat to silence her screams."
Leigh Bright's testimony against Straight/Newton.....she took them to trial and won. This is regarded as truth by the courts and the law. I was present when Straight California was closed down and the clients transfered to our program in Dallas. I sustained potentially damaging head injuries not long after that and was not allowed medical treatment.
I dont care how much of a druggie or delinquent a kid may be THIS is wrong....and THIS is the thinking that you are defending. There was little else in group that occured other than abuse, degredation and humiliation.....if AARC changed all these things in their program, its highly unlikely they anything left whatsoever in order to "treat" the kids with.
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There must be some mistake. AARC is a unique program completely unlike Straight and Kids. What you're describing sounds just like inmates at AARC being sent to Dr. Goldenarmstanhopeless, a once and now again AARC board member. Accompanying the AARC inmates on such visits to the good AARC doctor were folks such as the Wiz's own step-daughter.
AARC inmates could be sent to AARC by the doctor's wife, Judge Cook Stanhopeless, and then enjoy the patient-doctor relationship with an AARC board member.
Cheers to Dr. Stanhope's medical ethics! Huzzah!
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There must be some mistake. AARC is a unique program completely unlike Straight and Kids. What you're describing sounds just like inmates at AARC being sent to Dr. Goldenarmstanhopeless, a once and now again AARC board member. Accompanying the AARC inmates on such visits to the good AARC doctor were folks such as the Wiz's own step-daughter.
AARC inmates could be sent to AARC by the doctor's wife, Judge Cook Stanhopeless, and then enjoy the patient-doctor relationship with an AARC board member.
Cheers to Dr. Stanhope's medical ethics! Huzzah!
I can't help but lump Dr. McMahon in with the other physician parents who put their offspring in Kids, since they chose to forsake legitimate medical treatment and place their children in a cult run by a complete amateur posing as a mental health expert.
are you referring to the same mental health expert that actually provides the help that other agencies (including those within the CHR umbrella) could not provide to these parents? oh sorry, that would be a yes, right. tell me, does your AARC grad think she would have just stopped using on her own at the time she entered AARC ? NOT likely . . she would still be visiting court rooms and making longterm friends with probation officers . . . you just don't get it, do you funnyboy
i love this thread . . . how come AARC works, even for kids that nothing else will work for???
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I can't help but lump Dr. McMahon in with the other physician parents who put their offspring in Kids, since they chose to forsake legitimate medical treatment and place their children in a cult run by a complete amateur posing as a mental health expert.
are you referring to the same mental health expert that actually provides the help that other agencies (including those within the CHR umbrella) could not provide to these parents? oh sorry, that would be a yes, right.
AARC is doing the same activities as those who work for the Calgary Health Region when it comes to the treatment/rehabilitation of kids? Interesting how those who work for the CHR need accreditation and licensing as well as having to follow the regulations of the HEALTH ACT.
Sounds like a confirmation that AARC "staff" is performing "Restricted Activities" that must only be performed by legitimate professionals.
I don't believe that is legal.
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AARC is doing the same activities as those who work for the Calgary Health Region when it comes to the treatment/rehabilitation of kids? Interesting how those who work for the CHR need accreditation and licensing as well as having to follow the regulations of the HEALTH ACT.
Sounds like a confirmation that AARC "staff" is performing "Restricted Activities" that must only be performed by legitimate professionals.
I don't believe that is legal.
AARC uses a brand new mode of treatment completely unrelated to Kids, and thus Straight. Dean Vause is a licensed mental health professional. He obtained his PhD after completing a lengthy period of clinical research. The Clinical staff at AARC is composed of licensed mental health professionals, as is the Peer Staff. The Clients stay in host homes in which they are continually monitored by adults who have been vetted to ensure the safety of their adolescent charges. The treatment involves the most modern, scientifically proven methods. Clients in AARC are never deprived of their rights, and are free to communicate with their friends and family throughout their stay in AARC. There is not now, nor has there ever been a punishment phase in AARC called Zero Club in which other clients are given total control of Newcomers, monitoring them while they bathe and move their bowels.
AARC's expenditures are entirely in keeping with a facility that keeps 30-36 adolescents during the day.
Since the Peer Counselors are all trained professionals, there is no risk of the Peer Counselors inflicting harm upon their charges. Likewise, because AARC does not use the Oldcomer/Newcomer dynamic that was used in Straight and Kids, the potential for abuses by Oldcomers was avoided.
Sorry to disappoint.
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Just reading through all of the forums on this site, I never even new this site existed.
I was a client at AARC in 94 and went on for 3 years afterwards as a counsellor. I have always though of AARC (after I finally left and integrated into the real world) as very "Cult Like" and the more I read into it now, it sure makes sense. Quite a few of our initial counsellors were from Kids...and I don't think anyone had any real experience to treat us. It was truly a bizarre place, and really hard to explain, unless you have been through it. It wasn't until years later that I truly started to question many of the methods...and all of the top staff that STILL work there were all in treatment when I was there and have never left - Dean has molded them into exactly what he preaches...I find it really sad actually that they are still there after all these years, they were all really great people, but they are so caught in a treatment bubble. Even the parent counsellors are former parents....wierd...and sad.
I do believe that we do need good treatment facilities in Canada for addiction, but we need people that are qualified and not abusive. Many clients that I worked with when I worked there had so many serious issues (child abuse, rape, etc) and we really did nothing with any of it, perhaps this is the reason many of them were using drugs at the time. Adolescent addiction is tough to diagnose.....If we would have taken everyone from highschool back in those days, I am sure half of the school would have been admitted back then with the checklist criteria for entry.
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Hi Morgan, I'm curious how you found out about Fornits? There are LOTS of people in the same situation as yourself.
Please visit these websites, articles and groups if you haven't seen them, and there is an online petition for clients and former clients of AARC here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/AARCSurv/petition.html (http://www.petitiononline.com/AARCSurv/petition.html)
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/powerless/ (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/powerless/)
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/02/13/abuse.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/02/13/abuse.html)
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/ ... state.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/02/18/cgy-aarc-harry-chase-fifth-estate.html)
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/calgary/story.html (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/calgary/story.html)
http://www.mcgilldaily.com/article/3174 ... need-help- (http://www.mcgilldaily.com/article/3174--does-my-teen-need-help-)
http://forums.beyond.ca/st/252786/anyon ... th-estate/ (http://forums.beyond.ca/st/252786/anyone-see-the-episode-about-aarc-on-fifth-estate/)
AARC was recently discussed in the Alberta Legislature you can view that here:
http://media.assembly.ab.ca/ArchiveVide ... _Video.asf (http://media.assembly.ab.ca/ArchiveVideo/200902101450_Video.asf) (forward to 39:15 to avoid watching the WHOLE thing)
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Wrong link I'm sorry, view the assembly here:
http://media.assembly.ab.ca/ArchiveVide ... _Video.asf (http://media.assembly.ab.ca/ArchiveVideo/200902171325_Video.asf)
starts at 39:15
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Does anyone know how/if it's possible to access Vause's and Miller-Newton's theses? Oh, how I would love to compare the two.
The PhD is defined in terms of knowledge, e.g. “The degree is awarded to candidates who, through original investigation, make a distinct and significant contribution to knowledge.” That new knowledge is expected to have two characteristics: it is shared and it can be verified or challenged. So a PhD describes knowledge that is new (in the world), can be shared with others and can be tested in some way.
Doesn't Vause claim to have invented "host homes" and family involvement in adolescent substance abuse treatment? Does anyone know exactly how long he stuck around KIDS for? 6 months?
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The most convincing evidence for Dean Vause's supernatural abilities is his capacity to time travel. Dean travelled back in time to 1957 and invented the Synanon group confronation. He again went back in time and invented the oldcomer-newcomer dynamic and the use of host homes. After assuming the reins of the renamed Kids of the Canadian West, in 1994 Dean Vause once more travelled back in time to 1991, designing AARC around his research before opening it in 1992. Truly, we are all blessed to bear witness to this divine individual.
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So it seems overwhelmingly that the only issue people have with AARC has is that Dean Vause received a PhD? and didnt receive it in Canada.....Okay? So if he decided to stick with not furthing his education everyone would be fine with the place. Isnt there anything else wrong with AARC other than this Vause guy getting a PhD? Seems kind of lame. I think the whole college hockey thing was much more interesting.
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Yes guest, other than that we all think that AARC is a wonderful place. :ftard:
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Well, in defensive of the great dodgeball master, he wasn't Executive Director the whole time. If we believe AARC, the Wiz worked on his Project for four years. So he was researching his PhD while he bounced between NJ, Vancouver, and Calgary, conducting his basement exorcisms and founding AARC. Lucky for the Wiz he was enrolled at the Union Institute, and not a school like the University of Calgary, where a PhD candidate must complete a 1600 hour predoctoral clinical internship. Unless time spent in Miller Newton's cult was a clinical internship. Depending on the day though, Dean-o may claim AARC was started in 1990, or '92. It's 1990 if the main concern is to convey his experience, '92 if he's trying to hide the fact that AARC is Kids.
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Yes guest, other than that we all think that AARC is a wonderful place. :ftard:
no need to be sarcastic. Look at the posts of the past few weeks... The Wiz received a Phd from a paper mill...... one article written 10 years ago says he is a psycologist. who cares if he thinks he is God for fucking crying out loud? If there were kids getting hurt or abused or rapped at AARC I think that would be at the forefront but it is not... so we can conclude that the kids are safe and getting the help they need so all we can focus on is what hockey team this Vause guy played on and what school he got a degree from?
Out of the hundreds who went thru there there are 2 or 3 who have a problem with how they were treated and decide to retaliate by making fun of the front office people. Do you know how dumb this looks? Its pure high school... who the fuck cares if this guy even went to school?
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http://www.aarc.ab.ca/images/media/before/rescuefroma.pdf
Where to start? This article calls the AARC program "the only one of its's kind in North America." Except for Straight, Kids, Kids Helping Kids, Pathways, Life and the other TCs, some closed down, some waiting to be closed.
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/fundraising/Novem ... letter.pdf (http://www.aarc.ab.ca/fundraising/November%20Newsletter.pdf)
"Yesterday
AARC was created as a community response to growing recognition of the need for a Calgary based intensive treatment program for chemically dependent adolescents. A powerful combination of concerned parents, members of Calgary‟s Downtown Rotary Club, and the Provincial Government established AARC in the early 1990‟s. Dr. F. Dean Vause was hired to develop a clinical model that could reach these severely addicted youth. He had set out to find a solution to the dark disease after losing 3 students to drugs and alcohol in a high school, where he was a counsellor. His doctoral thesis was the development of a therapeutic process and recovery centre for chemically dependant youth and their families ~ a blueprint for AARC"
In 1998 Dean-o was the "founder of AARC". In 2006 AARC turned out to have been founded by members of the Downtown Rotary Club, concerend parents, and the Provincial Government. Vause did not write a thesis. He submitted something called a "Project Demonstrating Excellence" to the Union Institutee.
"F Dean Vause PhD 1994 The Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre: A Treatment Centre for Chemical Dependent Youth and Their Families"
http://www.tui.edu/directories/default.asp (http://www.tui.edu/directories/default.asp)?
sortcol=focus&printme=1&dirCat=PDE
AARC opened in 1992. Vause got his PhD in 1994. Apparently he wrote up a blueprint after he opened AARC. As a rule, one follows plans to construct something, rather than drawing up a "blueprint" after construction. But then again, all he had prior to opening AARC was a year or so as an underling in Miller Newton's cult.
"MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with assistance in developing the program of the Alberta > since its
inception originally as Kids of the Canadian West."
http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.asp ... =doc&fid=1 (http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=han§ion=doc&fid=1)
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Yes guest, other than that we all think that AARC is a wonderful place. :ftard:
no need to be sarcastic. Look at the posts of the past few weeks... The Wiz received a Phd from a paper mill...... one article written 10 years ago says he is a psycologist. who cares if he thinks he is God for fucking crying out loud? If there were kids getting hurt or abused or rapped at AARC I think that would be at the forefront but it is not... so we can conclude that the kids are safe and getting the help they need so all we can focus on is what hockey team this Vause guy played on and what school he got a degree from?
Out of the hundreds who went thru there there are 2 or 3 who have a problem with how they were treated and decide to retaliate by making fun of the front office people. Do you know how dumb this looks? Its pure high school... who the fuck cares if this guy even went to school?
I do agree with you that it is a little obsessive for someone to go thru years of articles to try to find a typo or interview mistake and then try to present this as evidence that a program is somehow harmful because of it is a bit naive. But what do you do if you feel deep in your heart that AARC harms people yet almost all the graduates claim they were helped by AARC?
You have to drop into some sort of denial and If you cant get the support of the graduates then you have to try to dig up dirt or inconstancies and try to base you argument on those findings and I think that is what we are seeing here.
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First of all, if you were to take a survey of the first 100 graduates, I assure you that AARC's success rate would be quite different. My guess would be that 85% of them are successful, employed and/or educated social drinkers who firmly disagree with AARC and everything that goes on there. I know that all of you recent graduates think that AARC saved your lives, but trust me, you'll probably grow out of that.
The general point that people are trying to make is that Dean lies. He lied when he said that he invented the AARC model and that it was unique. And as far as the Union Institute goes, it meets the criteria to be considered a diploma mill. I'm really not sure how they managed to get accredited in the States since they have absolutely no regard for basic standards of education. Maybe, like AARC, they have influential friends with deep pockets. If I thought that it was remotely possible that Dean's thesis would have been accepted at any respectable university, I would give him that. However, the main requirement of earning a PhD is to contribute new knowledge to the world. Dean didn't come up with the model for AARC - there were many quacks before him with the very same idea. As far as I know, Canada does not recognize Dean's PhD, and neither do I. I believe he misleads people every time he refers to himself as "Dr.Vause." Even if he had a PhD from a university that this country recognizes, I would think that someone in his position should be a medical doctor/psychiatrist. That's just my opinion - if you claim to be capable of treating a life-threatening disease, I don't care how long your chapbook of poetry was.
He lied on the Fifth Estate when he said that no abuse has ever been brought forward to him. Besides the criminal allegations, I remember dozens of incidents of abuse in host homes that Dean was aware of. What's the first and most important rule? Honesty. Those newcomers get verbally and emotionally battered every day for "not getting honest." Why should we expect any less from Dean?
I hear more and more allegations of abuse at AARC all the time. It's astounding how many people have tried to get over AARC in silence, thinking that it was their fault or that no one would believe them. Sorry this topic isn't juicy enough for you, but I'm sure people feel that this is neither the time, nor the place to tell the world what they've been through.
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I would definitely beg to differ about your assertion that 85% of the first 100 graduates from AARC are educated, successful social drinkers. Let's look at a sampling:
David Grant, former AARC employee, perpetuated criminal abuse consisting of unlawful confinement and performing acts restricted by law to licensed health care workers, staunch AA advocate and peddlar of AARC propaganda
Andrew Morton, former AARC employee, perpetuated criminal abuse consisting of ulawful confinement and performing acts restricted by law to licensed health care workers, involved in other abuses of female AARC clients while on staff
Colin Brown, AARC employee, perpetuated criminal abuse consisting of unlawful confinement and performing acts restricted by law to licensed health care workers, current Clinical at AARC, recent education including Masters from US-based Seventh Day Adventist college
Bryan Campbell, AARC employee, perpetuated criminal abuse consisting of unlawful confinement and performing acts restricted by law to licensed health care workers, current Clinical at AARC, suspended from Mount Royal College for involvement in hate crimes, holder of BA from Union Institute, mail order college with almost thirty year link to Kids/AARC
Tanya Wesley, former AARC employee, perpetuated criminal abuse consisting of unlawful confinement and performing acts restricted by law to licensed health care workers, education unknown
Richelle Hall, former AARC employee, perpetuated crininal abuse consisting of unlawful confinement and performing acts restricted by law to licensed health care workers, education unknown
Dave Smidt, drug dealer
This is a tiny campling and does not include the graduates who are dead, of which there are at least two out of the first one hundred, and the multitude who suffer the long-term psychological damage from the abuse perpetrated in AARC.
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Yes, but they are clean and sober. They might have rejoined their intial path in life after AARC but they have stayed clean and sober. A percentage of any graduating class will pass away over time. I didnt read if these deaths were due to an overdose or not but that would be interesting to look at also.
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The 85% can still be a valid number. There leaves for 15 graduates to not be happy and there were only 7 listed.
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I would definitely beg to differ about your assertion that 85% of the first 100 graduates from AARC are educated, successful social drinkers.
Calm down, I said it was a guess. I appreciate the fact that you're taking my statistics so seriously, but I never claimed to have done an external evaluation or anything like that.
That's just what I see. In my guess, I wasn't counting the people who never left AARC. The way I see it, the people who went through treatment 10 years ago and have worked there ever since are life-long clients at AARC. Most of the people I've met - who have moved on and made an effort to deprogram themselves are social drinkers/doing okay - despite being in AARC, not because of it.
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How many out of the first hundred graduates remained involved with AARC? How many are dead? How many became long-term substance abusers after suffering severe psychological damage in AARC? One study showed that the Synanon attack therapy produced several psychological damage in 9% of the people subjected to it. We can reasonably assume then a similar number for AARC. Add to that the group of former clients who remain AARColytes, and those AARC grads who were suffering from disorders prior to admission to AARC, and the perhaps 10% of AARC client who do suffer from a substance abuse disorder upon admission, and you do not have 85% of former graduates educated, successful and drinking socially. The notion that 85% of graduates who were all subjected to an illegal mind control experiment that entailed unmonitored amateurs having both physical and psychological control of subservient minor charges emerged to be successful members of society is just ridiculous. AARC fucks kids up.
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The notion that 85% of graduates who were all subjected to an illegal mind control experiment that entailed unmonitored amateurs having both physical and psychological control of subservient minor charges emerged to be successful members of society is just ridiculous. AARC fucks kids up.
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that 85% of grads are not affected by AARC, by any means. I graduated almost two decades ago and I'm still trying to undo the damage. I doubt I'll ever will. All I'm saying is that most graduates who leave A.A. don't end up heroin addicts on Hastings. If I were to guess, I'd say that 85% of the kids who have been through AARC were abusing drugs, but were never addicted to drugs. So, my guess was that 85% of us can quite easily stop drinking before we black out. Many of us live healthy lifestyles and contribute to society. Do I think that being in AARC exacerbates anxiety, depression, addiction, suicidal/homicidal ideation? Absolutely. Maybe I should have worded my post better, because I'm on your side with this.