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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Che Gookin on January 10, 2008, 08:28:48 AM
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Loving it..
Thanks dish for the intel..
Need loads more just like this to make this go right. I have a fair bit already, but I'm always game for more.
don't be shy about sending information to
aseymour1975@yahoo.com
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In March be expecting me. I'll be out front with a sign, or as close as I can get. On public property not blocking traffic indulging in a bit of legal nonviolent edumacating of the locals.
I'm an RMA grad. If I can make it work money wise I am so there. And I think I can recruit a few others. I've been wanting to see the old homestead for a while now, since my stealth graduation recon mission in 94.
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Hey march it is..
Come one come all.. if No one comes I go alone.
It really doesn't matter to me. I think we all know I'm a big enough pain in the ass to make up the difference for at least 10 people.
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sorry, double post
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check your pm's stina
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Whazzup Girls? I was finally taken off of Bans last night.
Caroline called and apologized about forgetting that I was on Bans with CEDU related girls for sixteen years.
Anyway, just wanted to say hi to all my little sisters and friends at this site.
I gotta classmates account and I'm hoping to have even more conversations about our glorious cattle creek campus...
they were right about one thing
Yup, Here Forever.
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Yup, Here Forever.
absofuckinglutely. i'm discovering that it's not such a bad thing. this place has brought me a lot of comfort. especially now, i don't know if anyone else is experiencing this (i know a lot of people i know from the "outside" world are) , but my life has been completely turned upside down. more than ever before. it's like i'm a pair of dice and someone decided to shake me up and dump me out. and i'm landing ok, but fuck, i need to learn to be more specific when i put out energy for change in my life.
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Ok on www.torturedkids.com (http://www.torturedkids.com) there is a private CEDU forum for discussing the inner workings of this arcane debauchery in planning. Please join and the sekrit password is:
funzaloon.
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Why are you protesting this school? It really is a good place. It helped my son shake his addiction with cocaine. You should consider protesting a WWASP school instead. They really are the true face of evil. Boulder Creek Academy is a good place, with good people, and those people care about the kids!
Why would I protest a WWASPS school? I didn't go to one. I'll let the WWASPS victims protest their own schools, and I'll protest mine. Just because a few kids might come out unscathed (on the surface...I'd challenge you that there's a lot more turmoil going on in his head than you'll ever be aware of...) doesn't mean we all do. I personally don't how you possibly could come out unscathed, unless you were a robot to begin with.
Gookin, I think I'll be up in Washington while you're staging this, so I might just have to make a quick trip over to good ol' Bonners Ferry. Haven't been back since I graduated anyways...
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Well just so you all know a couple wwasp survivors might be coming along with us. I think it is important that we all recognize that abuse is abuse no matter where the time, place, or manner of delivery.
All are welcome to come pay the place a visit.
Please sign up at www.torturedkids.com (http://www.torturedkids.com) so we can get some of the basics organized. I'm about ready to take off to china for 6 weeks so I'm going to need alot of input and help to do this properly.
The plan is pretty much laid out already.. just need some of the wrinkles worked out.
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And 1 or more Roloff x-tian school survivors will be coming along for the show as well.
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Show up during the weekend all the parents visit.
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Why are you protesting this school? It really is a good place. It helped my son shake his addiction with cocaine. You should consider protesting a WWASP school instead. They really are the true face of evil. Boulder Creek Academy is a good place, with good people, and those people care about the kids!
Why would I protest a WWASPS school? I didn't go to one. I'll let the WWASPS victims protest their own schools, and I'll protest mine. Just because a few kids might come out unscathed (on the surface...I'd challenge you that there's a lot more turmoil going on in his head than you'll ever be aware of...) doesn't mean we all do. I personally don't how you possibly could come out unscathed, unless you were a robot to begin with.
Gookin, I think I'll be up in Washington while you're staging this, so I might just have to make a quick trip over to good ol' Bonners Ferry. Haven't been back since I graduated anyways...
Oh don't get me wrong, I am all about protesting WWASPS. TBfight.com is one of my favorite websites. I just wanted that one program parent to know that before I start standing up for victims of other programs, I need to start by standing up for victims of my own. I love that survivors of other programs will be joining the protest, I hope to join theirs soon myself.
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Protest during a parent visit weekend??
Awesome. However, it will be so awesome and such a threat to their revenue stream that BCA execs will flip out, and likely do things like make call the cops and make shit up about the protesters. Ie, they'll claim you threatened violence etc etc.
You might even want to call Boundary county's finest ahead of time.
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Why are you protesting this school? It really is a good place. It helped my son shake his addiction with cocaine. You should consider protesting a WWASP school instead. They really are the true face of evil. Boulder Creek Academy is a good place, with good people, and those people care about the kids!
you've got to be kidding me. BCA is the same program as RMA. there are plenty of places to help your son kick his cocaine habit. places that probably aren't costing you 10K a month. i don't know about WWASP schools, but we can protest them too if you'd like. Wanna come?
isn't 2 and 1/2 years a little excessive for rehab? and here's the thing...you're not there. do you go through the day to day monotony speckled with fear and anxiety? no. do you have to attend raps 3 times a week where you're yelled at about things real and imaginary? no. do you know the staff, i mean really know them? no. you have no idea what really goes on there, good or bad, you just know what they want you to know.
sorry, you caught me on a bad day, but program parents don't have the right to protest protests as far as i'm concerned. you just don't.
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Contact them [ http://www.bouldercreekacademy.net/contact/index.shtml (http://www.bouldercreekacademy.net/contact/index.shtml) ] and ask specific and pointed questions. They will contact you via. telephone. Record the telephone conversation with a recorder. Write Q & A conversation on a protest sign that's visible for the parents to see. If you need a list of questions to ask, I can post one for you.
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ummm.. highly illegal to record phone calls without the other person's knowledge.
but the idea of asking them questions over the phone to later use their answers on a flyer that is contridicted by the information presented by yall is epic.
The weekend is the plan.
Just finalizing which weekend it is at the moment.
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Why are you protesting this school? It really is a good place. It helped my son shake his addiction with cocaine. You should consider protesting a WWASP school instead. They really are the true face of evil. Boulder Creek Academy is a good place, with good people, and those people care about the kids!
Why would I protest a WWASPS school? I didn't go to one. I'll let the WWASPS victims protest their own schools, and I'll protest mine. Just because a few kids might come out unscathed (on the surface...I'd challenge you that there's a lot more turmoil going on in his head than you'll ever be aware of...) doesn't mean we all do. I personally don't how you possibly could come out unscathed, unless you were a robot to begin with.
Gookin, I think I'll be up in Washington while you're staging this, so I might just have to make a quick trip over to good ol' Bonners Ferry. Haven't been back since I graduated anyways...
Oh don't get me wrong, I am all about protesting WWASPS. TBfight.com is one of my favorite websites. I just wanted that one program parent to know that before I start standing up for victims of other programs, I need to start by standing up for victims of my own. I love that survivors of other programs will be joining the protest, I hope to join theirs soon myself.
Dude.. you rock. If one comes up I'll get the information posted as quickly as possible.
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stina and bonnevillebarbie you have access to the CEDU private forum on TK now.
Thanks for signing up.
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HAI KIDS! This is your pervy uncle Che speaking! Not only do I have a huge hard on, thank you free porn, I have great news!
icomeanon has been added to our list of stalwart marauders who want to go do horrible things to terrible people. Icomeanon you've got access to the private CEDU channel now. Enjoy that fun stuff.
I know.. perish the thought that those benighted simpletons have to hear something like the truth for a change.
Well fuck em if they can take a joke.
or is it joke em if they can't take a fuck?
Christ I dunno..
I'm off the soju for the rest of the day.
Peace dudes!
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Ok kids.. its wasted Uncle Che on the prowl again.. lock up your 12 year old virgins and such...
oh yeah
try another castle.. yall signed up..
To find the forum you have to be registered to TK and you have to be given permission to access it as well.
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Che wrote:
ummm.. highly illegal to record phone calls without the other person's knowledge.
I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is I can tape a conversation in which I am a participant without the other person's knowledge. Not polite, but not illegal. It is illegal to record a conversation in which you are not a participant (wiretapping), or where a reasonable person has a reasonable expectation of privacy (e.g., doctor's office). I believe there may also special rules/additional restrictions for journalists.
A journalist from Montana PBS told me Idaho is a state where it is legal for a journalist to wear a wire without the other person's knowledge.
Auntie Em
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Why are you protesting this school? It really is a good place. It helped my son shake his addiction with cocaine. You should consider protesting a WWASP school instead. They really are the true face of evil. Boulder Creek Academy is a good place, with good people, and those people care about the kids!
Suck my dick, Troll scum. I'm so pleased that you have such glowing reports in regards to this place.
Obviously, not everyone has drunk the kool aid, like you have.
You must be so pleased that this joint "babysitted" your coke induced kid while you resumed your social life, or social drugs, or whatever.
In case you are interested; these places really emotionally damaged some of its residents.
::bangin::
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Che wrote:
ummm.. highly illegal to record phone calls without the other person's knowledge.
I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is I can tape a conversation in which I am a participant without the other person's knowledge. Not polite, but not illegal. It is illegal to record a conversation in which you are not a participant (wiretapping), or where a reasonable person has a reasonable expectation of privacy (e.g., doctor's office). I believe there may also special rules/additional restrictions for journalists.
A journalist from Montana PBS told me Idaho is a state where it is legal for a journalist to wear a wire without the other person's knowledge.
Auntie Em
State law would likely not apply to most of us as we would be doing it across statelines and as is such we'd be subject to federal law. Recording phone calls without knowledge or consent is considered a bit of a no no the last time I checked.
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I think we are both mindful of wanting to operate within the law, and we need clarity about what that means.
Auntie Em
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I AM THE LAW! RESPECT MY AUTHOROTAE!!
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The USA Federal and State Laws
The U.S. federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most have also extended the law to cover in-person conversations. 38 states and the D.C. permit recording telephone conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so.
12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
It is illegal under all jurisdictions to record calls in which one is not a party.
A complete state-by-state set of regulations regarding telephone call recording may be obtained in the following report published by The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html (http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html)
The US Federal Law
The federal Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510 et seq., prohibits the willful interception of telephone communication by means of any electronic, mechanical, or other device without an applicable exemption. There are two principal exceptions:
Federal Exceptions
Consent: In the absence of more restrictive state law, it is permissible to intercept and record a telephone conversation if one or both of the parties to the call consents. Consent means authorization by only one participant in the call; single-party consent is provided for by specific statutory exemption under federal law. 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2511(2)(d).
"Business telephone" exception
The "business telephone" exception, which generally allows monitoring of calls and taping over an extension phone which is both provided to a subscriber in the ordinary course of a telephone company's business and is being used by that subscriber in the ordinary course of its business. This provision generally permits businesses to monitor the conversations of their employees, including personal conversations.
Penalties: The federal statutes provide criminal penalties for unlawful interception of telephone conversations, including up to five years' imprisonment or a maximum of $10,000 in fines. They also allow for civil remedies, by which private parties are entitled to recover actual and punitive damages, together with fees and costs.
Evidentiary Issues
Individuals and businesses that make surreptitious recordings often do so with the expectation that the recordings will be useful as evidence. Such recordings are subject to significant barriers to use as evidence. First, if made in violation of either federal or state law, the recordings will almost certainly be inadmissible. Second, even if lawfully recorded, the tapes will be exempt from the hearsay rule and will not, in most jurisdictions, be usable for impeachment. Anyone contemplating an evidentiary use of surreptitious recordings should consult with an attorney prior to making the recording.
Recording Telephone Calls with Parties in Different Jurisdictions
Federal law may apply when the conversation is between parties who are in different states, although it is unsettled whether a court will hold in a given case that federal law "pre-empts" state law, but either state may choose to enforce its own laws. Therefore it is better to err on the side of caution when recording an interstate telephone call.
The Role of FCC
The FCC's role in assisting consumers who believe their telephone conversations were unlawfully recorded is generally limited to ensuring that telephone companies enforce their tariff provisions regarding recording of telephone conversations. The only penalty that can be enforced by the local carrier is revocation of telephone service. (In the Matter of Use of Recording Devices in Connection with Telephone Service)
The FCC protects the privacy of telephone conversations by requiring notification before a recording device is used to record interstate or foreign telephone conversations. These types of conversations may not be recorded unless the use of a recording device is:
* Preceded by verbal or written consent of all parties to the telephone conversation; or
* Preceded by verbal notification which is recorded at the beginning, and as part of the call, by the recording party; or
* Accompanied by an automatic tone warning device, sometimes called a beep tone, which automatically produces a distinct signal that is repeated at regular intervals during the course of the telephone conversation when the recording device is in use.
* Also, no recording device may be used unless it can be physically connected to and disconnected from the telephone line or switched on and off.
The above FCC rule requirements apply to telephone common carriers. Similar requirements are imposed on consumers through the carriers' tariffs.
State Laws (Table)
While the U.S. federal law only requires one-party consent, many states have accepted different laws. In some states all parties must give their consent or at least be notified that the call is about to be recorded (with necessary opt-out option: if you don’t like them to record the call, you can ask them to stop recording). There also was a case law decision from many years ago (the 1950's) that went to the Supreme Court and affirmed that the federal law does not supersede state authority/statutes unless the call or the tap crosses state lines – that is why each state went ahead and established their own guideline/statute.
States Requiring One Party Notification
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
District Of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky Louisiana
Maine
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
Nevada
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Oklahoma Oregon
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming
States Requiring Two Party Notification
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Massachusetts
Maryland
Michigan
Montana
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Washington
Interesting Facts About Recording Telephone Calls In Different States
Arizona
Arizona is a "one-party" state, ARS 13-3005.A(1)(2), and also permits a telephone "subscriber" (the person who orders the phone service and whose name is on the bill) to tape (intercept) calls without being a party to the conversation and without requiring any notification to any parties to the call, ARS 13-3012(5)(c).
Illinois
Illinois is, by statute, a two-party state. However, case law from both the IL Supreme Court and various Illinois appellate courts have declared Illinois a one-party state in the case of private citizens (businesses and plain folks - NOT law enforcement). The reigning consensus is that one-party consensual recording is merely "enhanced note-taking" and since some folks have total recall without recording, how can the other party have any expectation of privacy to a conversation held with another person.
Illinois requires prior consent of all participants to monitor or record a phone conversation. Ill. Rev. Stat. Ch. 38, Sec. 14-2. There is no specific business telephone exception, but in general courts have found extension telephones do not constitute eavesdropping devices. Criminal penalties for unlawful eavesdropping include up to three years' imprisonment or $10,000 in fines and the civil remedy provides for recovery of actual and punitive damages.
In the state of Illinois it is illegal to monitor cordless phones.
Wisconsin
Wisconsin is currently a one-party state though recent attempts in the legislature there have attempted, unsuccessfully so far, to change it to two-party. Even so, any evidence gathered by a one-party consensual recording is inadmissible except in murder or drug cases, as they say.
The Wisconsin Stats 885.365 Recorded telephone conversation (1) states "Evidence obtained as the result of the use of voice recording equipment for recording of telephone conversations, by way of interception of a communication or in any other number, shall be totally inadmissible in the court of this state in civil actions, except as provided by 968.28 to 968.37." Exceptions are it the party is informed before the recording is informed at the time that the conversation is being recorded and that any evidence thereby obtained may be used in a court of law or such recording is made through a recorder connector proved by the telecommunications utility as defined in WI Stats 968.28 - 968.37 (which is the stat for court ordered wiretaps) which automatically produces a distinctive recorder tone that is repeated at intervals of approximately 15 seconds. Fire department or law enforcement agencies are exempt as are court ordered wire tapes.
Also a recording on the phone made from a out of state call or made to an out of state party, has to have the party informed of the recording and his consent or the tone on line, every 15 seconds, or a consent in writing before the recording is started.
Needless to say this does not allow a person not a party to the conversation to record any part of the conversation without the parties to the conversation being informed the third party is recording the conversation.
California
Although California is a two-party state, it is also legal to record a conversation if you include a beep on the recorder and for the parties to hear. This information was included with my telephone bill.
California prohibits telephone monitoring or recording, including the use of information obtained through interception unless all parties to the conversation consent (California Penal Code Sections 631 & 632). There is no statutory business telephone exception and the relevant case law all but excludes this possibility. California courts have recognized "implied" consent as being sufficient to satisfy the statute where one party has expressly agreed to the taping and the other continues the conversation after having been informed that the call is being recorded. Violation is punishable by a fine of up to $2,500, imprisonment for not more than one year, or both. A civil plaintiff may recover the greater of $3,000 or three times the amount of any actual damages sustained.
Washington
Washington requires the consent of all parties. Some companies manage to work around that by going to the Indian reservations or any federally owned property to make the call - Federal law is a one party consent.
Indiana
In the state of Indiana it is one party authorization. As far as what is admissible in court it is still being tested per each case individually by the prosecutors office in the county in which the investigation or case was done.
New York
New York is a one party state, however some courts will not admit an interview with a witness to an event if they were not informed they were being recorded. Apparently the judge may use his discretion.
Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania requires the consent of all parties. 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. Sec. 5704(4) with the following exception: any individual may record a phone conversation without the other party's consent if:
1. The non-consenting party threatens the life or physical well being of the consenting party, or any member of his/her family.
2. The non-consenting party commits any criminal action (the statute specifically uses the example of telling the consenting party that they have marijuana they want the consenter to buy, but does state ANY criminal act).
Felony penalties may be imposed for violation of the Pennsylvania statute
Connecticut
Connecticut joined the ranks of two-party consent about 3 years ago. The State Police there is quite diligent in enforcing the law. Ironic, since they were the ones responsible for the law going into effect by illegally recording the telephone calls of prisoners at the individual barrack when arrested.
Massachusetts
Massachusetts requires consent of al parties unless another exception applies (Massachusetts Gen. Laws Ann. ch. 272, Sec. 99). Telephone equipment, which is furnished to a phone company subscriber and used in the ordinary course of business, is excluded from the definition of unlawful interception devices (Id. at 99(B)(3)). Office intercommunication systems used in the ordinary course of business are similarly exempt (Id. at 99(D)(1)(b)). The criminal penalty is a fine of up to $10,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. In civil litigation, an injured party may recover actual and punitive damages as well as costs and fees. It is a separate violation to divulge or use the information garnered through unlawful interception and an additional penalty of up to two years in prison or $5,000 may be imposed on this count.
References
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Electronic Communications Privacy Act. United States Code. Title 18. Crimes And Criminal Procedure. Part I – Crimes. Chapter 119 – Wire And Electronic Communications Interception And Interception Of Oral Communications. http://floridalawfirm.com/privacy.html (http://floridalawfirm.com/privacy.html)
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The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press: A Practical Guide to Taping Phone Calls and In-Person Conversations in the 50 States and D.C. http://www.rcfp.org/taping/ (http://www.rcfp.org/taping/)
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Broadcast of Telephone Conversations, 47 C.F.R. §73.1206 (1989)
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P.L. 99-508 ("The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986"), amending 18 U.S.C. § 2510 -...
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18 U.S.C. § 2510 - ... (1999) (Wire and Electronic Communications Interception and Interception of Oral Communications)
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FCC Consumer Information Bureau http://www.fcc.gov/cib/ (http://www.fcc.gov/cib/)
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“Recording Telephone Conversationsâ€
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On a debbie downer legal note -
dog fighting is not a felony in idaho and wyoming (or was it montana). Seriously.
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Hmmm.. Do they have any laws against eating dogs?
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Aight homies...
To distribute the power evenly I've given Stina admin access on TK. She knows the ground rules of no editting posts, or playing with IPs.
So.. Stina is the one to contact to get access to the private forum if you can't get ahold of me.
I'll be in china for 6 weeks and will be phoning back to the USA and checking up on the project periodically.
Really though.. Everyone here I know is on top of things enough to come up with a plan to pulling off a kick ass protest of RMA/BCA.
I've had some pretty damn good suggestions via email that I've posted up on TK on the private forum. I'll let the people who sent me the ideas take credit where it is due on their own. Until then I'll just kick back and look good off the ideas of another.
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Aight homies...
To distribute the power evenly I've given Stina admin access on TK. She knows the ground rules of no editting posts, or playing with IPs.
So.. Stina is the one to contact to get access to the private forum if you can't get ahold of me.
I'll be in china for 6 weeks and will be phoning back to the USA and checking up on the project periodically.
Really though.. Everyone here I know is on top of things enough to come up with a plan to pulling off a kick ass protest of RMA/BCA.
I've had some pretty damn good suggestions via email that I've posted up on TK on the private forum. I'll let the people who sent me the ideas take credit where it is due on their own. Until then I'll just kick back and look good off the ideas of another.
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bobby.. signed you up for the TK cedu forum.
Have fun.
No assigning consquences either.
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Protest sign idea submission
L Lethal Ludicrous Lobotomizing
G Gut Wrenching
A Anti-Developmental
T Trauma
(large group awareness training)
That's what CEDU is. Forced LGAT for 'troubled teens's. They LGAT you in a cult setting.
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Keep them coming dish.. might you also consider writing up a brief blurb on what an LGAT entails and means at RMA/BCA?
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Protest sign idea submission
L Lethal Ludicrous Lobotomizing
G Gut Wrenching
A Anti-Developmental
T Trauma
Don't you mean Lesbians, Gays And Transsexuals?
I hope not. Those people are freaks.
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lesbianismic action of the carmen elektra sort
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Final cut - ready 4 print......
L Lobotomizing
G Guantonomized
A Anti-Developmental
T Trauma
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Shanlea, you're in. I've waived the special access dance as I'm feeling generous tonight. Also drunk with power.
must...not...alter...posts...
must...not...play...with...IPs...
Anyone else needs any help getting into the TK CEDU private discussion let me know.
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I'm in China now and I have to say.. The pollution here in Beijing is awful. Does anyone have any requests for souviners that I can bring you in March to the weekend of endless hell for BCA?
Nothing stupid like RPGs or tanks or dried up rhino cock either.
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Shanlea, you're in. I've waived the special access dance as I'm feeling generous tonight. Also drunk with power.
must...not...alter...posts...
must...not...play...with...IPs...
Anyone else needs any help getting into the TK CEDU private discussion let me know.
Oh lawd what have I done????
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yeah it's over
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Ah well... I have wanted an admin who is a survivor for awhile. Just bring the "car" back in the same shape I'm lettting you take it.
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Done
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You gas it up also?
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Mao Gookin: I've always wanted a rickshaw.....
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You gas it up also?
Maybe. We'll see what you bring me back from China. Surprise me. Just nothing ridiculously gross. Ridiculous is fine, but I'm not interested in anything I'd be challenged to eat on Fear Factor.
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baijou?
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I'm in China now and I have to say.. The pollution here in Beijing is awful. Does anyone have any requests for souviners that I can bring you in March to the weekend of endless hell for BCA?
Nothing stupid like RPGs or tanks or dried up rhino cock either.
Cheap assed hollywood new releaases?
Actually, there is only one thing I ever ask anyone to get me from anywhere, and I don't think it's possible in China.
I am looking to develop a collection of snow globes... from places where it never snows. I think it pretty much snows all over china, unfortunately.
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what movie is that where there is a person who collects snow globes?
this is going to drive me batshit.....
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what movie is that where there is a person who collects snow globes?
this is going to drive me batshit.....
I don't know of any movie, but Gabriel Syler's mother on the TV series "heroes" collected them, before he killed her, that is.
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ah yes in the movie 'unfaithful', richard gere kills the euro frenchie who banged his wife with a snow globe.
snow globe to the frenchie dome.
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That was a hot movie with some hot sex scenes!
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WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BCA.... I'm Still Coming for you!!! From the looks of it.. I'm bringing a few friends also. Ta Ta boys and girls.. see you sometime in March..
;D
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Da Voice - did you go to CEDU?
Corporate is 30 minutes outside of Philly.
Western office is in Vegas.
Look at all these profitable 'beds'
http://www.uhsinc.com/hospitals.php?type=behavioral (http://www.uhsinc.com/hospitals.php?type=behavioral)
yup, I was up there when it was still run by CEDU, and believe me, I have just as much anger and animosity towards them as the next guy. I'm not questioning the motives behind the protest, nor the fact that protesting these shitholes is a great idea. this is just a serious discussion a few survivors and I had over the weekend in regards to this protest, and we honestly couldn't figure out how a small protest up at the campus would do any good. but hey, if you all think it will help, then do it up! I certainly won't knock you for your efforts.
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Da Voice - did you go to CEDU?
Corporate is 30 minutes outside of Philly.
Western office is in Vegas.
Look at all these profitable 'beds'
http://www.uhsinc.com/hospitals.php?type=behavioral (http://www.uhsinc.com/hospitals.php?type=behavioral)
yup, I was up there when it was still run by CEDU, and believe me, I have just as much anger and animosity towards them as the next guy. I'm not questioning the motives behind the protest, nor the fact that protesting these shitholes is a great idea. this is just a serious discussion a few survivors and I had over the weekend in regards to this protest, and we honestly couldn't figure out how a small protest up at the campus would do any good. but hey, if you all think it will help, then do it up! I certainly won't knock you for your efforts.
make that as much anger and animosity as the next guy OR girl ;D
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now we're talking.
what is your era? (arrival year or departue year- I'm not one to split hairs).
how many CEDU friends are you still in touch with?
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Guest, as I understand it, there is at least one important reason to protest at CEDU: to communicate to the students that they have not been forgotten.
I agree about protesting at the corporate headquarters, too. Easy for me to say, as I am asking others to protest for me, and they have their hands full. But I agree it might be effective.
Auntie Em
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I'm open to whatever the group is willing to organize. I'm sensing a real lack of disinterest at the moment though. It makes it difficult for me to want to get on a plane for 13 hours when I can stay here in Asia a few more months in India. It isn't likely that I'll get another chance to travel more once I get back to work in July.
So pretty much.. if you all want to protest corporate headquarters that is fine.. Just plan it and get the ball rolling.
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I was there for 35 glorious months between '00 and '02. Still feels like yesterday. And that was even when the program was supposedly shortened. I keep in touch regularly with 2 other survivors, maybe a handful more semi-regularly. Most of the people who were there with me keep in touch through some myspace group or something but I really don't want anything to do with most of them.
I guess it's a good reason to let the students know they haven't been forgotten, but I don't think it'll work. If we posted up on the street across the cow field from campus, I'm sure the staff would just "close the outside" so the students wouldn't be able to see us. If we happened to be visible through the windows of one wing of the main house, I'm sure they'd just close that wing too. And even though they might not feel forgotten anymore, I personally know that if I looked out at a protest that had less protesters than program staff working that particular day, my sense of being forgotten would be replaced by pure discouragement. "That's everyone I have in my corner right now? Wow, I really am fucked...better get used to this weather..."
Like I said, I love the thought, and it would be great to be part of something like this. But as much as I care about those kids getting mindfucked up there right now, I couldn't possibly devote the time necessary to get the ball rolling myself. If I were you, Che, I'd still be in India come early March.
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I couldn't possibly devote the time necessary to get the ball rolling myself
Indeed... I'll be sure to forward your comments to the appropriate department then. I've had a few definite confirmations from interested members. We definitely will be going ahead with the planned raid for march at the school's location. Some other fun and games have been planned in private and will also be going ahead.
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I was there for 35 glorious months between '00 and '02. Still feels like yesterday. And that was even when the program was supposedly shortened
That's shocking, da voice. You were robbed, body and soul.
Che, hi, I lost track of this thread for a while. Here's one voice in the wilderness hoping against hope that a group will go there in March.
Auntie Em
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FYI: I'm still on board for this. I've just been MIA dealing with other things at the moment. I also need to organize wheels at some point.
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I'm still game as well. I'm debating making the date public as well as a meet up location for the morning of. Thoughts?
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If stina is going I'll go.
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I'm still game as well. I'm debating making the date public as well as a meet up location for the morning of. Thoughts?
My guess would be the Kootenai Inn.
I may not be going after all unless I can find wheels. As of now, nobody has gotten back to me on it. Sounds like I may have been all bluster for nothing. Kind of hard to make promises, I guess, when you don't drive. :'( Too bad for my loser ass, I suppose.
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Castle, wheels from where--what city?
Auntie Em
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San Francisco. Dishduty offered a while ago, but I haven't heard back from him yet.
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I just spent the last few minutes reading through this thread and I think that the naysayers have some points, however the bottom line is that unless SOMEBODY does SOMETHING than we aren't doing anything.
There is a certain value in these forums and relating the shared experiences that we have had, but if my senses don't deceive me many show a common desire do what we can to make damn sure nobody else has to experience the negative things we did in that place.
We can debate the details and differences in UHS and CEDU and what may be going on there right now, but suffice it to say that whatever is going on at an isolated encampment full of underage teenagers and un-trained counselors can't be very good. At a minimum they are using the advantages of isolation to instill their doctrine and at a maximum they are doing their very best impression of CEDU. Either way it's no good and is worthy of protest.
I would hate to see things like financial constraints stop this thing from happening. If there is a good plan in place then there is no reason not to do it.
Also, I recognize the desire to be law abiding and not get anybody in trouble, but just remember that the law isn't always right and if you have enough confidence in your cause you can be very persuasive. Law enforcement has EXTREME discretion in what they choose to keep an eye on. The law in Bonners Ferry is run by lawmen who are all about individual rights. It probably won't take more than telling him they are preaching hippie crap up there to make him look the other way. Seriously, if you are gonna let the Boundary County sherriff bother you then you need to remember what got you through that place. Toughness. We all have it. Use it.
I am not just blowing smoke either. If the plan is good, I will not let it fail b/c some dude can't afford a rental car.
Heading to the private forum now....
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I just spent the last few minutes reading through this thread and I think that the naysayers have some points, however the bottom line is that unless SOMEBODY does SOMETHING than we aren't doing anything.
There is a certain value in these forums and relating the shared experiences that we have had, but if my senses don't deceive me many show a common desire do what we can to make damn sure nobody else has to experience the negative things we did in that place.
We can debate the details and differences in UHS and CEDU and what may be going on there right now, but suffice it to say that whatever is going on at an isolated encampment full of underage teenagers and un-trained counselors can't be very good. At a minimum they are using the advantages of isolation to instill their doctrine and at a maximum they are doing their very best impression of CEDU. Either way it's no good and is worthy of protest.
I would hate to see things like financial constraints stop this thing from happening. If there is a good plan in place then there is no reason not to do it.
Also, I recognize the desire to be law abiding and not get anybody in trouble, but just remember that the law isn't always right and if you have enough confidence in your cause you can be very persuasive. Law enforcement has EXTREME discretion in what they choose to keep an eye on. The law in Bonners Ferry is run by lawmen who are all about individual rights. It probably won't take more than telling him they are preaching hippie crap up there to make him look the other way. Seriously, if you are gonna let the Boundary County sherriff bother you then you need to remember what got you through that place. Toughness. We all have it. Use it.
I am not just blowing smoke either. If the plan is good, I will not let it fail b/c some dude can't afford a rental car.
Heading to the private forum now....
actually if there is one thing post-cedu survival has taught me it is that I need to be looking out for one person and one person only...sorry fellow survivors, but staying sane is tough enough without worrying about the rest of you...
enjoy your protest guys...I'm sure those spoiled little 16 year olds will be extremely grateful...unless of course your protest doesn't help them get pulled and then they'll probably blame their miserable existences on you somehow and of course it will be your fault. I'm not really sure what I'll be doing the day you all make your trek up to boners ferry to stage a pointless protest, but I could probably spend the day jerking off on the beach and have more of an impact on society.
don't hate me because it's true.
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I just spent the last few minutes reading through this thread and I think that the naysayers have some points, however the bottom line is that unless SOMEBODY does SOMETHING than we aren't doing anything.
There is a certain value in these forums and relating the shared experiences that we have had, but if my senses don't deceive me many show a common desire do what we can to make damn sure nobody else has to experience the negative things we did in that place.
We can debate the details and differences in UHS and CEDU and what may be going on there right now, but suffice it to say that whatever is going on at an isolated encampment full of underage teenagers and un-trained counselors can't be very good. At a minimum they are using the advantages of isolation to instill their doctrine and at a maximum they are doing their very best impression of CEDU. Either way it's no good and is worthy of protest.
I would hate to see things like financial constraints stop this thing from happening. If there is a good plan in place then there is no reason not to do it.
Also, I recognize the desire to be law abiding and not get anybody in trouble, but just remember that the law isn't always right and if you have enough confidence in your cause you can be very persuasive. Law enforcement has EXTREME discretion in what they choose to keep an eye on. The law in Bonners Ferry is run by lawmen who are all about individual rights. It probably won't take more than telling him they are preaching hippie crap up there to make him look the other way. Seriously, if you are gonna let the Boundary County sherriff bother you then you need to remember what got you through that place. Toughness. We all have it. Use it.
I am not just blowing smoke either. If the plan is good, I will not let it fail b/c some dude can't afford a rental car.
Heading to the private forum now....
actually if there is one thing post-cedu survival has taught me it is that I need to be looking out for one person and one person only...sorry fellow survivors, but staying sane is tough enough without worrying about the rest of you...
enjoy your protest guys...I'm sure those spoiled little 16 year olds will be extremely grateful...unless of course your protest doesn't help them get pulled and then they'll probably blame their miserable existences on you somehow and of course it will be your fault. I'm not really sure what I'll be doing the day you all make your trek up to boners ferry to stage a pointless protest, but I could probably spend the day jerking off on the beach and have more of an impact on society.
don't hate me because it's true.
You know, there is a very, very large part of me that agrees with you. Seriously. But I'm currently trying to reduce the amount of cynicism I process on a daily basis.
You're right, though. It won't do shit. I'm just there to deliver some mail.
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How can protesting hurt?