General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Che Gookin on January 01, 2008, 07:27:29 AM
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 01, 2008, 07:27:29 AM
A friend of mine suggested this route for an upcoming trip to china. He admits his information may well be out of date and suggests I have it double checked.
The first time you could just skip through Beijing. Just head to the bus terminal and jump a train to Datong, a buddhist city with loads of caves and statues....I think it's a UNESCO site. Next down to Taiyuan...there's a city near there called Pingyao or something....supposed to be a great hangout spot....from there to Xian, terracotta warriors etc.....to Chengdu and the stupid pandas.....pretty cool city though....next to Leshan and the world's tallest Buddha statue. Bus from there to Chongqing....if possible do the three gorges boat trip, or at least get out on the Yangtze on a boat. Chongqing is supposed to have the spiciest food on Earth, but I never noticed. Guess I ate the wrong places. Next, you'll prob have to head back to Chengdu to get your train to Kunming.....which is also a cool little town....do a day trip to the Stone Forest. Take a train from there to Dali.....town in the mountains, takes a few hours.....bus from there to Lijiang which is a stunning old chinese town...amazing views, great food. After here you might need to suck up an overnight sleeper bus back to Kunming. Train to Nanning. If you want to a side trip to Yangshou. On to Guangzhou.....plane or train back to Hong Kong or wherever you are flying out of. Make sure you have a guidebook before you get to China. It can be a tough place to travel in otherwise.
Any thoughts on this?
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2008, 05:21:46 PM
you spend all this time fighting against child abuse, and various forms of psychological manipulation which results in the suffering of countless people...all the while exploiting this (usa's) countries laws of freedom of speech for your radical means.
and you want to go to CHINA? ancient history aside, china is one of the most tyrannical govts in the world. they do everything you fight against, but to their citizens on a massive scale. and you want to give them your tourist dollars?
what is it with the newfound tourist curiosity with china? capitalist or communist, at the core, it's still the same fucked up tyrannical corrupt country it used to be. they still kill and torture falun gong and other religious groups. they imprison anyone they suspect of being against the goverment. and their cultural mentality has led to china's overpopulation, which in turn has led to the erosion of basic human dignity and morals to the point that people throw baby girls in dumpsters so they can have a chance at having a baby boy. on top of that, they are the world's worst polluters and will end up turning all of their cultivatable land into a barren landscape from overuse of fertilizer within the next century
it's a disgrace that people are willing to overlook china's daily human rights violations in return for free trade. it's pathetic, and the bejjing olympics are an absolute abomination. i always watch the olympics, but i'm not even going to glance at them this year.
nothing against the People of china, just their mentality, the goverment, and the way things are run.
dont waste your tourist dollars. by spending money in china, you are casting a vote for the continuation of their policies.
so are your for or against torture?
Title: China Travel
Post by: Nihilanthic on January 02, 2008, 07:41:34 PM
He's for good times with easy women and cheap alcohol.
So NO WONDER HES GOING TO CHINA
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 03, 2008, 03:21:58 AM
What niles said.. and frankly having visited China before I'd have a hard time telling the difference between the USA and Chinese government when it comes to torture and the abuse of civil rights.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 10:48:20 AM
I got a good laugh out of the China protest post. This person obviously has NO idea what the US has been up to... in the past or the present. This same person probably thinks we supported democracy in Vietnam and South America, and would be baffled to know we put the Taliban in power to begin with.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 12:01:19 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
What niles said.. and frankly having visited China before I'd have a hard time telling the difference between the USA and Chinese government when it comes to torture and the abuse of civil rights.
would totally have to agree with you, but we still have freedom of speech, press, and religion. in the u.s you can put up a website or march on a street advertising your hate for the government or your radical beliefs all you want, and then the press can publish all the stories they want about it. sure, you'll attract attention, but you'll be ok as long as you dont pose a serious threat. in china doing that could get you executed. on top of that, i'm sorry if this sounds intolerant, but i can see how a culture which believes that eating deer antlers will give you a boner and STILL hasn't gotten over it after modern science, failed as a whole in the total scope of history.
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got a good laugh out of the China protest post. This person obviously has NO idea what the US has been up to... in the past or the present. This same person probably thinks we supported democracy in Vietnam and South America, and would be baffled to know we put the Taliban in power to begin with.
i understand your resentment, but direct it somewhere else. i've known that "spreading democracy" is a euphemism for "protecting foreign economic interests" since i was six years old. I probably know much, much more about this subject than you do, considering i majored in history, with a concentration in post-WWII U.S-foreign affairs, and minor in philosophy.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 03, 2008, 12:09:33 PM
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on top of that, i'm sorry if this sounds intolerant, but i can see how a culture which believes that eating deer antlers will give you a boner and STILL hasn't gotten over it after modern science, failed as a whole in the total scope of history.
I'll check on this myself once I get there. Do I have to whack the deer myself or can I get the antler's preground?
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I probably know much, much more about this subject than you do, considering i majored in history, with a concentration in post-WWII U.S-foreign affairs, and minor in philosophy.
Not feeling appreciated enough in your life? Have a cookie - you earned it!
Title: Special Favor
Post by: shanlea on January 03, 2008, 12:49:11 PM
Hey Che!
Will you please send me a post card, and perhaps a souvenir from your trip? WTF am I saying? Everything in America is made in China anyway.
Also: consider to changing your name to Mao Gookin when you post from your trip!
Xie xie! and 旅途愉快!
Shangshanlea
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 03, 2008, 12:52:17 PM
No titty torture devices?
Title: China Travel
Post by: bobbyfischer on January 03, 2008, 12:56:13 PM
Please send me a souvenir. [grenades, guns, illegal weapons]
Title: China Travel
Post by: bobbyfischer on January 03, 2008, 12:56:34 PM
China Travel
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 12:57:13 PM
No TT devices.... thanks. But I got a great ass kicking device for ya!
LOL, Shan
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 12:58:23 PM
Are you guys ever going to tell us the story of how one brother ended up in a program and the other working for it? That is absolutely Shakespearean , you must tell us everything.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 03, 2008, 12:59:35 PM
Quote from: ""joelseymour""
Please send me a souvenir. [grenades, guns, illegal weapons]
Dear Brother,
Go to Memere's(grandma's) old house and count 25 meters past the end of the divingboard facing directly away from the pool. It should take you behind that line of ugly assed trees.
Dig straight down and don't stop till you hit a 4 foot long 6 inch round pvc pipe with big fat end caps.
loads of good things in there.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 01:00:30 PM
you can get the preground antlers at any traditional Chinese medicinal shop they also like to eat tiger penis and rhinoceros horns for the same purpose. the deer antlers are usually from farmed deer in new zealand, but the tiger penis and rhino horn will be harder to find as a tourist since they are endangered species. if you find a resturant that serves traditional chineese medical food, you might also find shit like monkey, hippo, giraffe, elephant, all sorts of crazy meat that someone with a concern for the planet should never eat. you should try some bird's nest soup. yes, they use the NEST. the bird spit that holds the nest together turns into a gelatin-like consistency and gives the soup the taste. it's really expensive and fucking disgusting. try some sea horses, some dried gecko, earthworms, sea cucumber...did i mention that cats, dogs, and rats are eaten all over southern china? name anything that you can put in your mouth that wont kill you, the chinese will find that through some convoluted reasoning that it is beneficial to your health and they eat it en masse.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 03, 2008, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Are you guys ever going to tell us the story of how one brother ended up in a program and the other working for it? That is absolutely Shakespearean , you must tell us everything.
Maybe later. I think I'll save that story for a rainy day.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 03, 2008, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
you can get the preground antlers at any traditional Chinese medicinal shop they also like to eat tiger penis and rhinoceros horns for the same purpose. the deer antlers are usually from farmed deer in new zealand, but the tiger penis and rhino horn will be harder to find as a tourist since they are endangered species. if you find a resturant that serves traditional chineese medical food, you might also find shit like monkey, hippo, giraffe, elephant, all sorts of crazy meat that someone with a concern for the planet should never eat. you should try some bird's nest soup. yes, they use the NEST. the bird spit that holds the nest together turns into a gelatin-like consistency and gives the soup the taste. it's really expensive and fucking disgusting. try some sea horses, some dried gecko, earthworms, sea cucumber...did i mention that cats, dogs, and rats are eaten all over southern china? name anything that you can put in your mouth that wont kill you, the chinese will find that through some convoluted reasoning that it is beneficial to your health and they eat it en masse.
Hmmm the Koreans say dog meat is good for your libido, but only after they torture it to death. Haven't been arsed to eat a dog yet and I suppose I'll pass up on the rhino schlong and deer testicles.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: ""Mao Gookin""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Are you guys ever going to tell us the story of how one brother ended up in a program and the other working for it? That is absolutely Shakespearean , you must tell us everything.
Maybe later. I think I'll save that story for a rainy day.
Or you could make a movie about it, and ask CBS to reinvigorate their after school special line up. It's about time they brought that back. Crack kills.
Title: China Travel
Post by: bobbyfischer on January 03, 2008, 01:16:42 PM
China Travel
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 03, 2008, 01:18:16 PM
I always did enjoy the transformer cartoon that used to come out when I was a kid. Maybe they could make it into a cartoon with us as 50 foot tall robots from a planet called cybertron who work as program counselors?
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
What do you carry your stuff in, a backpack or a suitcase or something? What kind of clothes do you wear in asia, the same as you would wear in the states or do you dress differently?
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
What do you carry your stuff in, a backpack or a suitcase or something? What kind of clothes do you wear in asia, the same as you would wear in the states or do you dress differently?
He carries a purse and dresses in drag, no different than if he were here. :rofl:
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 03, 2008, 01:48:39 PM
Backpack same sort of clothes.. pants, t shirts, etc. Only thing special I've bought for the trip was some new hiking boots and warmer socks. Might get another pair of gloves in case I lose my old pair that I've taken all over the world with me.
This time of the year Kashgar will be cold as hell. I'll be packing along extra warm clothes. Things will warm up the closer I get to Hong Kong, but that will be in Febuary. Won't bother going into Tibet. That dump is nothing but a long strip of malls from what some of my friends have told me.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2008, 09:39:19 PM
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Won't bother going into Tibet. That dump is nothing but a long strip of malls from what some of my friends have told me.
really? thats really sad. i'm sure not all of tibet is like that. how about the temples? or have they been destroyed?
maybe you should head to nepal and northern india, hang out with the ragas and babas. i hear they are lots of fun. and they smoke impossible amounts of hash...as you can see below....no, they are not wearing costumes...they wear that all day, every day, forever.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Antigen on January 03, 2008, 10:22:45 PM
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 03, 2008, 11:39:18 PM
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Won't bother going into Tibet. That dump is nothing but a long strip of malls from what some of my friends have told me.
really? thats really sad. i'm sure not all of tibet is like that. how about the temples? or have they been destroyed?
maybe you should head to nepal and northern india, hang out with the ragas and babas. i hear they are lots of fun. and they smoke impossible amounts of hash...as you can see below....no, they are not wearing costumes...they wear that all day, every day, forever.
Hash??? epic... I'll consider it a possiblity.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2008, 03:53:31 PM
yes...the himalayas are the world center of hash smoking. a majority of the worlds hash comes from that region. it's against both indian and nepaleese law, but they grow fields of it because its been part of the culture for thousands, if not millions of years. marijuana itself is belived to originate from there, and it was spread to the "new world" by indian merchants at the same time hash use was spreading to europe via muslim merchants. Rastafarians were actually very influenced by northern indian culture. for example, the dreadlocks that rastas and more recently, rich white potheads wear, are taken directly from the hairstyles of the Nagas (a sadhu sect). some rastas might claim theological decendence from the biblical "samsonite" oath, but historically, the dreads come from indian ascetics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadhu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadhu) point being....you'll find lots of hash there...and lots of simmilarities between the attitude and culture amongst everyone in that region as hippies and whatnot stateside, except the ones in india have been doing it for thousands of years. while everywhere in the world potheads are laughed at, these Sadhus smoke tons of the stuff whislt burning off bad karma from the community.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2008, 11:09:54 PM
I have been to many countries in Asia and I find out for myself what I think about any particular place. There have been many times when someone has said that they hated a place that I ended up loving...so I tend not to listen so much anymore.
I also won't listen if you've never been there. I don't care how much you've read or what you think you know, until you have actually been there...you really have no idea.
Enjoy your travels Mao Gooken and enjoy China.
Tam Biet Anh!
Flygirl
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2008, 10:08:40 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
What niles said.. and frankly having visited China before I'd have a hard time telling the difference between the USA and Chinese government when it comes to torture and the abuse of civil rights.
would totally have to agree with you, but we still have freedom of speech, press, and religion. in the u.s you can put up a website or march on a street advertising your hate for the government or your radical beliefs all you want, and then the press can publish all the stories they want about it. sure, you'll attract attention, but you'll be ok as long as you dont pose a serious threat. in china doing that could get you executed. on top of that, i'm sorry if this sounds intolerant, but i can see how a culture which believes that eating deer antlers will give you a boner and STILL hasn't gotten over it after modern science, failed as a whole in the total scope of history.
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got a good laugh out of the China protest post. This person obviously has NO idea what the US has been up to... in the past or the present. This same person probably thinks we supported democracy in Vietnam and South America, and would be baffled to know we put the Taliban in power to begin with.
i understand your resentment, but direct it somewhere else. i've known that "spreading democracy" is a euphemism for "protecting foreign economic interests" since i was six years old. I probably know much, much more about this subject than you do, considering i majored in history, with a concentration in post-WWII U.S-foreign affairs, and minor in philosophy.
what do you do with a history major after college? (curious)
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2008, 04:42:59 PM
beer in a plastic bag? lol. like a flimsy can, e.g boxed wine minus the box, or just like a ziplock filled with beer? thats funny....i bet if you shake it around, it'll explode.
but technically, it's not beer. REAL bear uses hops, malted barley, yeast, and water. asian beer (most american beer too), use a combination of starches like rice and wheat, along with artificial flavors and other chemicals to mask the lack of quality, with an excuse for what could maybe possibly resemble water; which disqualifies it from being a real beer, and turns it into a "generic fermented beverage". budwieser, the worst offender of all...is not actually even beer by any definition. it's not really brewed. they make a concentrate through some sort of fermentation-free brewing process, and then dilute it with ethanol-fortified carbonated water. if you ask me, i find bud, coors, natty's light, etc. the equivalent of drinking an alcoholic horse's piss.
i went to chinatown today, and after a shower i can still smell fish. have fun che, just watch out.
Title: China Travel
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on January 10, 2008, 05:43:56 PM
The reason your shower didn't work is cuz you drank 3 bags of beer and ended up using seabass flavored soap .
Title: China Travel
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2008, 09:37:41 PM
If contraception and education were available to women in Africa and other impoverished places, certainly many of them would want to use it.
Many of them cannot say "no" to their husbands demands for sex, due to cultural issues, ect... I have heard that there are clinics in central america where women go to obain birth control, which they desperately want, but they say they cannot tell their husbands they went.
I'm not suggesting forced sterilization. Just widespread availability with comprehensive sex education.
Title: China Travel
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on January 10, 2008, 09:47:15 PM
I see your point.
I'm not trying to rip on you but I've been to South Africa and that "educate the masses" shit doesnt' work. Well, I should say it doesn't work like you think it should/would.
For example, a sex education campaign that, in your mind should take 2 years to implement will take at least 20 years to implement there.
I loved it there and want the best for those folk but it's the truth.
Title: been there
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2008, 09:19:09 PM
i have been to china and loved it. the chinese know whats up. and i had a great time. so the government stinks, but the USA fucked me over and the worst that would have happened to me in china would have been a life of poverty. and the person who has such negative comments about china. have you been there? no, so you don't have much room to talk buddy.
Title: been there
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2008, 09:19:34 PM
i have been to china and loved it. the chinese know whats up. and i had a great time. so the government stinks, but the USA fucked me over and the worst that would have happened to me in china would have been a life of poverty. and the person who has such negative comments about china. have you been there? no, so you don't have much room to talk buddy.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 12, 2008, 04:38:56 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
beer in a plastic bag? lol. like a flimsy can, e.g boxed wine minus the box, or just like a ziplock filled with beer? thats funny....i bet if you shake it around, it'll explode.
but technically, it's not beer. REAL bear uses hops, malted barley, yeast, and water. asian beer (most american beer too), use a combination of starches like rice and wheat, along with artificial flavors and other chemicals to mask the lack of quality, with an excuse for what could maybe possibly resemble water; which disqualifies it from being a real beer, and turns it into a "generic fermented beverage". budwieser, the worst offender of all...is not actually even beer by any definition. it's not really brewed. they make a concentrate through some sort of fermentation-free brewing process, and then dilute it with ethanol-fortified carbonated water. if you ask me, i find bud, coors, natty's light, etc. the equivalent of drinking an alcoholic horse's piss.
i went to chinatown today, and after a shower i can still smell fish. have fun che, just watch out.
I'll keep an eye or two open.
Title: Re: been there
Post by: Che Gookin on January 12, 2008, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: ""been to china""
i have been to china and loved it. the chinese know whats up. and i had a great time. so the government stinks, but the USA fucked me over and the worst that would have happened to me in china would have been a life of poverty. and the person who has such negative comments about china. have you been there? no, so you don't have much room to talk buddy.
What if the smack talker is Canadian???
Title: China Travel
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on January 12, 2008, 03:25:10 PM
take off eh.
it's not called canada anymore - it's kanukistan. figures a yank like you wouldn't know about world events.
now go do as maynard from tool does - face the back wall and sing with your back to the audience.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 12, 2008, 06:41:16 PM
How about I go to the concession stand and get another beer cause I can't sing worth a damn anyway eh?
Title: China Travel
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on January 12, 2008, 08:39:57 PM
to the beer garden - godspeed
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 12, 2008, 09:56:10 PM
Thanks.. Whew... I was worried for a minute that I'd actually have to sing.
I'll perish the thought with a well poured brew.
Title: China Travel
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on January 12, 2008, 10:18:53 PM
che
please make asian ipod nosebud girl go away.
it's been long enough.
Title: China Travel
Post by: Che Gookin on January 12, 2008, 10:24:05 PM
Well.. I'll take requests then..
mamooth titties being displayed with bra..
titties nearly falling out of dress after sneeze..
spinning japanese girl with camel toe.
Title: China Travel
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on January 12, 2008, 10:52:53 PM