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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Che Gookin on December 25, 2007, 03:44:12 AM
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Don't have a happy years either.
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Do me a favor, would you, O struggling parents?
Visit your favorite beloved programs around Christmas. In fact, do it today. Look around - just look at the kids. You probably don't even need to say anything. Don't worry about whatever faux festivities, if any, they're putting on - just look at them, really see them.
Then tell me that you're helping anyone. I hope for your sake that you can't.
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What is a "program supporter? "
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What is a "program supporter? "
The guy at the bottom of the ass pyramid.
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What is a "program supporter? "
They are ones willing to put themselves and their own needs aside for the good of their children.
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What is a "program supporter? "
They are ones willing to put themselves and their own needs aside for the good of their children.
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A program supporter is the kind of person who'd give his/her own sister aids.
A program supporter is the kind of person who'd visit another country and spend the whole time locked up in the hotel whining about the lack of cable tv channels.
A program supporter is the kind of person who'd put their own kids in a wilderness program so their insurance company can pay for it while they take a trip to Europe so they can sit in a health spa, get their aids treated, and still whine about the lack of cable tv channels.
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Do me a favor, would you, O struggling parents?
Visit your favorite beloved programs around Christmas. In fact, do it today. Look around - just look at the kids. You probably don't even need to say anything. Don't worry about whatever faux festivities, if any, they're putting on - just look at them, really see them.
Then tell me that you're helping anyone. I hope for your sake that you can't.
Have you ever actually seen the inside of a program before? The children are happy to be getting the help the need.
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Do me a favor, would you, O struggling parents?
Visit your favorite beloved programs around Christmas. In fact, do it today. Look around - just look at the kids. You probably don't even need to say anything. Don't worry about whatever faux festivities, if any, they're putting on - just look at them, really see them.
Then tell me that you're helping anyone. I hope for your sake that you can't.
Have you ever actually seen the inside of a program before? The children are happy to be getting the help the need.
Shut up.
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Do me a favor, would you, O struggling parents?
Visit your favorite beloved programs around Christmas. In fact, do it today. Look around - just look at the kids. You probably don't even need to say anything. Don't worry about whatever faux festivities, if any, they're putting on - just look at them, really see them.
Then tell me that you're helping anyone. I hope for your sake that you can't.
Have you ever actually seen the inside of a program before? The children are happy to be getting the help the need.
Yes, that's why there are a great abundance of them posting here.
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Do me a favor, would you, O struggling parents?
Visit your favorite beloved programs around Christmas. In fact, do it today. Look around - just look at the kids. You probably don't even need to say anything. Don't worry about whatever faux festivities, if any, they're putting on - just look at them, really see them.
Then tell me that you're helping anyone. I hope for your sake that you can't.
Have you ever actually seen the inside of a program before? The children are happy to be getting the help the need.
Yes, that's why there are a great abundance of them posting here.
No, they are mostly looking at college web sites trying to decide where to go next. The ones who drop out of programs or dont apply themselves end up at fornits.
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I graduated a program that left me in an absolute state of clinical depression for years. I left that place believing that no matter what I did in my life I would never be good enough, and that eventually I would be sentenced to an eternity of burning in the pits of hell for being unloveable and evil at heart. I was told that any kind of confidence was vanity therefore I should practice self-loathing, self-hatred, etc. This is how they helped me, by totally annialating my self-worth. You can have their help, I don't have another 20 years to waste.
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I forgot to note this in my last post. I know 15 survivors personally that are 40+ years old and have only now healed enough to get on with their lives and are now going to college.
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I graduated a program that left me in an absolute state of clinical depression for years. I left that place believing that no matter what I did in my life I would never be good enough, and that eventually I would be sentenced to an eternity of burning in the pits of hell for being unloveable and evil at heart. I was told that any kind of confidence was vanity therefore I should practice self-loathing, self-hatred, etc. This is how they helped me, by totally annialating my self-worth. You can have their help, I don't have another 20 years to waste.
What program did you go to?
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I graduated a program that left me in an absolute state of clinical depression for years. I left that place believing that no matter what I did in my life I would never be good enough, and that eventually I would be sentenced to an eternity of burning in the pits of hell for being unloveable and evil at heart. I was told that any kind of confidence was vanity therefore I should practice self-loathing, self-hatred, etc. This is how they helped me, by totally annialating my self-worth. You can have their help, I don't have another 20 years to waste.
What program did you go to?
Montessori
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I graduated a program that left me in an absolute state of clinical depression for years. I left that place believing that no matter what I did in my life I would never be good enough, and that eventually I would be sentenced to an eternity of burning in the pits of hell for being unloveable and evil at heart. I was told that any kind of confidence was vanity therefore I should practice self-loathing, self-hatred, etc. This is how they helped me, by totally annialating my self-worth. You can have their help, I don't have another 20 years to waste.
What program did you go to?
Montessori
Dam those French !!
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Have you ever actually seen the inside of a program before? The children are happy to be getting the help the need.
I have.
And, they sure in the hell were not!
The only thing I saw any of them happy about was doing their chores.
What NORMAL teenager's highlight of the day is doing chores?
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Have you ever actually seen the inside of a program before? The children are happy to be getting the help the need.
I have.
And, they sure in the hell were not!
The only thing I saw any of them happy about was doing their chores.
What NORMAL teenager's highlight of the day is doing chores?
Depends on the kids and the program. Some kids enjoy the chores others do not.
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I've got a "chore" for ya -- it's called fellatio.
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I was in one of the 27 homes ran by Roloff and his staff members. The list of homes these people ran may be bigger, but my current count is 27. Sometimes Rebekah Girls Home (the one I was in) had as many as 300 girls and they were having to sleep girls on the floor because they were out of beds. They have been charged with and in some cases convicted of abuse over and over again. I remember my Christmas in the program and none of us were happy to be there, not a single one. There may have been one or two who were safer there than they were at home, but that doesn't change the facts. Several of the girls hidden away in the Roloff Homes were there strictly because their abusive parents didn't want anyone to find out about the abuse. Great way to silence a person, totally cut them off from the rest of the world. Our phone calls were monitored and disconnected if you said anything inappropriate, letters if you got them at all had big portions blocked out with a permanent marker. Outgoing letters were read and if deemed inappropriate would get you a beating and would never make it to your parents, so I guess it is no wonder we weren't happy. We were treated worse than prisoners of war. BIG HELP!
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I was in one of the 27 homes ran by Roloff and his staff members. The list of homes these people ran may be bigger, but my current count is 27. Sometimes Rebekah Girls Home (the one I was in) had as many as 300 girls and they were having to sleep girls on the floor because they were out of beds. They have been charged with and in some cases convicted of abuse over and over again. I remember my Christmas in the program and none of us were happy to be there, not a single one. There may have been one or two who were safer there than they were at home, but that doesn't change the facts. Several of the girls hidden away in the Roloff Homes were there strictly because their abusive parents didn't want anyone to find out about the abuse. Great way to silence a person, totally cut them off from the rest of the world. Our phone calls were monitored and disconnected if you said anything inappropriate, letters if you got them at all had big portions blocked out with a permanent marker. Outgoing letters were read and if deemed inappropriate would get you a beating and would never make it to your parents, so I guess it is no wonder we weren't happy. We were treated worse than prisoners of war. BIG HELP!
Sorry to hear that, I couldnt imagine that going on today. These are the types of places we should be notifying parents of. Many schools today offer independent Therapists who are not part of the school system/program to insure the children get the proper support and a clear conduit of information back home.
Seems we have made progress but there is still more to do.
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One of the many positive aspects of talking about the programs of the past is that it gives us all a "frame of reference" (or Benchmark). As the schools continue to evolve and improve we will be able to use this past information to measure how far we have come since then and to look upon the techniques which have failed and those which have succeeded.
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One of the many positive aspects of talking about the programs of the past[/color] is that it gives us all a "frame of reference" (or Benchmark). As the schools continue to evolve and improve we will be able to use this past information to measure how far we have come since then and to look upon the techniques which have failed and those which have succeeded.
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How far back are you calling the past..... Again it's not decades like you try to put the impression in parent's minds... I gave you proof of it only being a year or little more from the Growing Together news article.
So it's not of the past.... It still happens present day.
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One of the many positive aspects of talking about the programs of the past[/color] is that it gives us all a "frame of reference" (or Benchmark). As the schools continue to evolve and improve we will be able to use this past information to measure how far we have come since then and to look upon the techniques which have failed and those which have succeeded.
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How far back are you calling the past..... Again it's not decades like you try to put the impression in parent's minds... I gave you proof of it only being a year or little more from the Growing Together news article.
So it's not of the past.... It still happens present day.
The past is ten minutes ago!! it is also 30 years ago. Many of the stories occurred 30 years ago and there have been monumental changes done, in some areas, since then... other areas have changed very little.
It is important to try to distinguish between what is happening today and what is obsolete and just stories of the past when trying to determine if a TBS is the right approach for your child.
I know many parents here get confused with reading some of the stories and then later come to realize they don’t reflect today’s school practices/procedures and is basically obsolete information intended to dissuade or paint the industry all one color.
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The past is ten minutes ago!! it is also 30 years ago. Many of the stories occurred 30 years ago and there have been monumental changes done, in some areas, since then... other areas have changed very little.
It is important to try to distinguish between what is happening today and what is obsolete and just stories of the past when trying to determine if a TBS is the right approach for your child.
I know many parents here get confused with reading some of the stories and then later come to realize they don’t reflect today’s school practices/procedures and is basically obsolete information intended to dissuade or paint the industry all one color.
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Part 1: You tend to want to make the "Past" some sort of referrence for your pro-program propaganda to sway the parents to believe your words are like that of Jesus Christ.... Nothing but truth.... And this is almost impossible when you can't even admit that abuse still happens in programs today which there are articles out there, but buried so deep by Ed-Cons such as yourself that it makes it almost impossible for parents to find the truth.
Part 2: Yes.... Many stories are from people who were in a program 20+ years ago, however we are the pioneers for getting the truth out and letting people know what it is really like. For many of us it has taken years and the movement of the Internet for us to unite against the abusers, and well come to grips with the fact we did not deserve the abuse we endured.
Part 3: Again the abuse still happens today. Unfortunately the kids do not know about Fornits as the programs are not going to tell them about it. Also it may take years for the manipulative brainwashing to wear off, so therefore they have this little program-bot that walks out speaking cult-speak and unable to return to the normality they once knew before entering the walls of their personal Dachau. Once a child is put in one of these places, they die inside and come out something else.
Part 4: When parents come here, yes they get confused when a Program Sales Person is here doing a little song and dance trying to disrupt the truth about our experiences in hopes that you can persuade them in your direction. We did not choose to be sent of and be abused, however that is what happened and many of us still have not recovered emotionally and the sad part is many of us never will.
You want us to accept your program pushing, however you do not want to accept what we went through and do not want us to let parents know and allow them to hear our truths.
Abuse is happening in programs all around at this very minute. Look at the facts.
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We are not talking about programs of the PAST! There are 10 Roloff related homes still operating, not to mention other facilities of the same ilk. Play it off like things have gotten better if that makes it easier for you to sleep at night, but the fact of the matter is that these places have been running the same since the 50's. It is about breaking a teenager's sense of who they are to create what you want them to be. The leader of Hephzibah House says that it may require beatings of two hours in duration to break a child's will and that you should start using the rod on a child in infancy! His home is still open and I can prove this with his own literature if you would like. The Roloff homes are connected to other programs now, and they have gotten worse not better.
The people who ran the Bethesda Home for girls and Mt. Park are worth over 40 million dollars, and I would be happy to provide proof of this as well for anyone who doubts it. These places are about bilking parents out of their money. A lot of the money that was made from the Roloff homes in the 60's and 70's was from the selling of babies which Roloff boasted about from the pulpit, and can also be proven by his own words. They still have maternity homes in hiding and are still forcing young women to sign over their children.
There is no good or safe program that incarcerates children without due process. Paying someone to come into your home and drag your child off to one of these places is the same kind of trauma the Jewish people faced when removed from their homes in the middle of the night and were loaded on cattle cars. We all know how that turned out for them. Unless you care to debate the actuality of abuse during the Holocaust as well.
I would not be here on fornits rehashing pain of the past if they had stopped incarcerating kids in these places. I am not here to find help for myself. I am here to be a voice for kids that our society has rendered voiceless. I am here to fight for our children's rights to a life free of abuse. I am here to take a stand against the worst injustice our country has ever allowed, and I am not going away until children are given the same basic rights we give to prisoners in this country. We protect criminals from their captors and give them every opportunity to avoid confinement while we throw away our kids without even the slightest thought for their protection.
This is not a problem of the past, it is a crisis of the future. Most of the children in these places are from upper middle class and wealthy families (only one's who can afford it anymore) This is the same group that our politicians and leaders come from on a majority, and if you break the minds of these kids, you sign a death warrant on your own freedom in the future. [/b]
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I just posted proof on another thread less than a week ago that a girl held in a facility in Texarkana was sexually assaulted by staff, causing the State of Texas to remove the five children they had placed in that facility. This all happened within the last couple of weeks, so really how long ago is the past?
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I just posted proof on another thread less than a week ago that a girl held in a facility in Texarkana was sexually assaulted by staff, causing the State of Texas to remove the five children they had placed in that facility. This all happened within the last couple of weeks, so really how long ago is the past?
As with TheWho's double talk here is his answer.
The past is ten minutes ago!! it is also 30 years ago.
And Hey Who.... If these TBS's are so glorious, why aren't other parents on here posting????
Could it be that they are not that good or you are scared that they will see the truth????
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I just posted proof on another thread less than a week ago that a girl held in a facility in Texarkana was sexually assaulted by staff, causing the State of Texas to remove the five children they had placed in that facility. This all happened within the last couple of weeks, so really how long ago is the past?
I don’t think anyone is disputing that sexual assaults happen. It happens at home, in church, the childs friends house etc. We are well aware that it is a huge problem in the public school system with assaults being reported every week. This is going to happen anywhere children are. But there doesn’t seem to be a systemic problem with Therapeutic Boarding schools or Wilderness programs. They have proven to be a safe haven because many of the staff are younger adults pursuing a career in the mental health field. Sexual assaults on minors typically are done by adults which are much older and outside the mental health industry (adults without formal training in mental health).
This problem isn’t going to go away anytime soon until we can accurately predict the profile of these sexual predators and implement better screening.
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And Hey Who.... If these TBS's are so glorious, why aren't other parents on here posting????
Could it be that they are not that good or you are scared that they will see the truth????
Easy answer…… first of all parents come on here to gain information about the industry and options available to them at a time when their family is in crisis.
After the child graduates the families typically move on and wouldn’t seek out a site, like fornits, to discuss their successes…how do I know? Log onto any industries site and if they have a forum for customer feedback glance over the topics and read some of the entries or if you were able to answer a few of the phone calls that “Customer serviceâ€
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It tells us that the rest have yet to reach fornits. Don't worry luv they'll be along shortly.
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Here's a better question:
Why are all the pro-program forums locked away so you can't even view them?
No, seriously, answer that one. If they're so damn proud why are they so afraid?
(BTW, there's a LOT more than Fornits out there. Anti-wwasp, Myspace and Facebook, ISAC testimony, etc, etc, etc..)
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very true on the last post. Veritable slew of information to be found if you know where to look for it.
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Bump that.
cedualumni.com has been in effect for years and there ain't shit on it.
10 posts in 4 years.
1000 views in 4 years.
http://cedualumni.com/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=42 (http://cedualumni.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=42)
cedulalumni is where the walking wounded come to gaze at the burned out foxhole.
Then they come to fornits, see a brother in arms and get the strength to forge on with a lighter load.
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Do me a favor, would you, O struggling parents?
Visit your favorite beloved programs around Christmas. In fact, do it today. Look around - just look at the kids. You probably don't even need to say anything. Don't worry about whatever faux festivities, if any, they're putting on - just look at them, really see them.
Then tell me that you're helping anyone. I hope for your sake that you can't.
Have you ever actually seen the inside of a program before? The children are happy to be getting the help the need.
Yes, that's why there are a great abundance of them posting here.
No, they are mostly looking at college web sites trying to decide where to go next.
Oh... and I know from personal experience how much a program can really help that process. ("uh.... and so you finished high school where?!?!"). What I recommend (what I did) is to find a college as dodgy as the program that doesn't care where you came from, as long as you're willing to pay tuition. From there, you can (hopefully) upgrade to a better college (as i did).
The ones who drop out of programs or dont apply themselves end up at fornits.
Right... Like they can't do both. I just graduated college.
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once you get out of a program, it definitely takes some time before you are ready to accept what you just went through! so after almost 18 years, i found Fornits, and a bunch of other places....so, the number of people willing to talk and make a difference is only growing!
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Bump that.
cedualumni.com has been in effect for years and there ain't shit on it.
10 posts in 4 years.
1000 views in 4 years.
http://cedualumni.com/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=42 (http://cedualumni.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=42)
cedulalumni is where the walking wounded come to gaze at the burned out foxhole.
Then they come to fornits, see a brother in arms and get the strength to forge on with a lighter load.
My highschool had 78 graduates in my class and only one or two have posted on the Alumni forum in the past decade.
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Do 1000s of your highschool classmates post on a cult survivor network forum describing how damaged they were by being systematically tortured at your "highschool" ? IF so, the comparison would have some meaning
Every night I have nightmares about what I saw done to little children. I can't sleep and I have stomach problems and intense ptsd
I didn't like highschool much, but it rarely crosses my mind today, and I'm not long out of it.
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Do 1000s of your highschool classmates post on a cult survivor network forum describing how damaged they were by being systematically tortured at your "highschool" ? IF so, the comparison would have some meaning
Every night I have nightmares about what I saw done to little children. I can't sleep and I have stomach problems and intense ptsd
I didn't like highschool much, but it rarely crosses my mind today, and I'm not long out of it.
I think that is the point. There is a survivor alumni forum called cedualumni.com which would be for people who attended cedu. “Dishâ€
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Whitmore Academy Nephi, Utah. Abuse by owners, Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks 2004.
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the happy children in the programs are carving into their bodies, chewing holes in their cheeks and wrists. (yeah mother fucker program supporters I WAS THERE, I SAW IT, I EXPERIENCED IT ) they are developing ulcers, colitis, PTSD, paranoia, damaged joints, some are murdered, countless have commited suicide.
who the fuck would say that these children are happy to be getting the help they need? oh wait, that's a direct quote from ruth ann newton, who by the way i called last night at 3 in the morning her time. she answered so awake and perky. is she on the forum feeding off the heartache of children?
it is exhausting to be here, to read about the pain and damaged lives (the gift that keeps on giving)
do some come here because the pain and heartache give them energy?, and to promote more pain and heartache because the molestation of children is the substance of who they are. no feelings of shame, just a titilating joy to read.
and if the universe is watching, i am so ashamed of the human race.
let us redeem ourselves, speaking up for truth, showing compassion and call for arrest of these monsters who are child abusers. the state of florida refuses to hold anyone accountable for the death of 14 year old martin lee anderson. we all saw him being murdered on tape. visual evidence was not enough. what is enough.
please let me know, if anyone can or will, what is enough. because i am ready to fight for justice.
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Whitmore Academy Nephi, Utah. Abuse by owners, Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks 2004.
If more people could be open about their experiences, like you have, we could pinpoint the more abusive programs and steer the parents (reading here) away from them.
Thanks guest.
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Do 1000s of your highschool classmates post on a cult survivor network forum describing how damaged they were by being systematically tortured at your "highschool" ? IF so, the comparison would have some meaning
Every night I have nightmares about what I saw done to little children. I can't sleep and I have stomach problems and intense ptsd
I didn't like highschool much, but it rarely crosses my mind today, and I'm not long out of it.
I think that is the point. There is a survivor alumni forum called cedualumni.com which would be for people who attended cedu. “Dishâ€
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My point in posting the fact that cedualumni.com is a barren wasteland is this.
10 years post CEDU:
1. Of all CEDU students, (let's say 10,000) I'd estimate that 10% are pro-cedu.
2. 50% are pissed off for being dunked and held under in the developmental detour tank of kool aid.
3. The other 40% are in a catatonic, ambivalent state and will hopefully snap out of it sooner than later.
(Of course there are shades of grey in categories 2 & 3)
I spent:
- 1 year in category 1.
- 13 years in category 3.
- The last 3 years in category 2.
Furthermore, Staff Members like Rey kreider and Brett Carey go on to ASR and spread the synanon legacy. I'm sure when they worked at ASR, their Bio's made bold reference to their illustrious CEDU experience. The list goes on and on, The Tim Braces, Steve Rookeys, Bruce Wilsons, on and on and on. These OG's are still working at modern day TBSs. Have they owned up to the bullshit they pulled?
Both the corrupt power staff and "well-intentioned, trying to help the kids" staff members need to own up to their active and passive roles.
For the love of god, even the Good Ol' USA provides a bare minimum owning up. For example, Affirmitave Action and Black History month for subjagating African Americans to slavery. We let the Native Americans run their own show on their reservations in return for letting us commit near genocide and Grand Theft Country. Classic chickenshit lipservice. We still screw them in plenty of ways. Look at our identity/passport policy for Native Americans.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domestic ... 3120071212 (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1163473120071212)) . (Sweet dreams with your small pox blanket).
Go ask anyone signing off on US policy for Tribal nations to be dead honest with you. If they were honest they'd tell you , "hey, come one, really now, Native Americans aren't "Real" americans".
Why cant the TBS industry publicly own up to it's corrupt cult foundations, clean up the mess they made and overhaul their present system?
...Gee, can you say shareholder profits and culty ego boosts for the power staff?
I need a nap. I just went from raps to dunk tanks to Indian casinos and MLK all in one breath.
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Do 1000s of your highschool classmates post on a cult survivor network forum describing how damaged they were by being systematically tortured at your "highschool" ? IF so, the comparison would have some meaning
Every night I have nightmares about what I saw done to little children. I can't sleep and I have stomach problems and intense ptsd
I didn't like highschool much, but it rarely crosses my mind today, and I'm not long out of it.
I think that is the point. There is a survivor alumni forum called cedualumni.com which would be for people who attended cedu. “Dishâ€
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If the ones who are not satisfied are more likely to complain and seek out answers where are they all? We have maybe 5 posters from 20 – 30 years ago and a handful from recent programs… what does that tell you?
I see this as the overwhelming number of kids do extremely well in these schools and move on with their lives afterwards and the few kids who drop out or don’t do very well end up here on fornits telling their story.
The people responsible for SHUTTING down the abusive programs didn't seem to believe this.
But it doesn't matter they just move, change the name and carry on until they get shut down again just because "the overwhelming number of kids do extremely well".
It doesn't matter how many "shining examples" are plastered on the promotional websites for these programs.
Straight had TONS of positive testimonials, was supported by the Reagans, but hey, they were found abusive and fraudulent... and were shut down.
Testimonials don't mean SQUAT!
Victims are too traumatized to deal with the problems initially, but many do manage to make their way here and try to stop it from happening to others.
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If the ones who are not satisfied are more likely to complain and seek out answers where are they all? We have maybe 5 posters from 20 – 30 years ago and a handful from recent programs… what does that tell you?
I see this as the overwhelming number of kids do extremely well in these schools and move on with their lives afterwards and the few kids who drop out or don’t do very well end up here on fornits telling their story.
The people responsible for SHUTTING down the abusive programs didn't seem to believe this.
But it doesn't matter they just move, change the name and carry on until they get shut down again just because "the overwhelming number of kids do extremely well".
It doesn't matter how many "shining examples" are plastered on the promotional websites for these programs.
Straight had TONS of positive testimonials, was supported by the Reagans, but hey, they were found abusive and fraudulent... and were shut down.
Testimonials don't mean SQUAT!
Victims are too traumatized to deal with the problems initially, but many do manage to make their way here and try to stop it from happening to others.
I can agree, the sales pitch can get pretty intense. Thats why I suggest to visit the campus and meet with the kids and staff.
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Examine this link to understand why visiting programs ultimately will prove pointless.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
Organized deception of the parents is part of the program methodology.
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Examine this link to understand why visiting programs ultimately will prove pointless.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
Organized deception of the parents is part of the program methodology.
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Examine this link to understand why visiting programs ultimately will prove pointless.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
Organized deception of the parents is part of the program methodology.
Exactly right, TSW... anyone who has been on an audit or is doing a walk thru for ISO certification is well aware of "leading" or "tossing a bone". What I did and many other parents do is to stick around and have lunch with the group or choose to speak with some kids at random... obviously some kids would not be a good choice because they are going thru a difficult time. But I tell parents if you spend enough time there to talk with the staff members and a few kids you will get a sense if yor child would be a good fit or not.
Thanks for the Potemkin link!! That is so true!! LOL, when I was in Russia we had a driver (Ruslan, I believe) who would pick us up everyday from the hotel and take us directly to the baby houses or the same shopping area and take the same route. We would ask him if he could take a different route or shop at a different store and our translator told us he was instructed to only take us to those specific places and no place else no side streets. After some persuasion we were able to visit more "out of the way places" but it wasn’t easy and he was always calling someone to get permission when we deviated from our plans.
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Do 1000s of your highschool classmates post on a cult survivor network forum describing how damaged they were by being systematically tortured at your "highschool" ? IF so, the comparison would have some meaning
Every night I have nightmares about what I saw done to little children. I can't sleep and I have stomach problems and intense ptsd
I didn't like highschool much, but it rarely crosses my mind today, and I'm not long out of it.
I think that is the point. There is a survivor alumni forum called cedualumni.com which would be for people who attended cedu. “Dishâ€
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Do 1000s of your highschool classmates post on a cult survivor network forum describing how damaged they were by being systematically tortured at your "highschool" ? IF so, the comparison would have some meaning
Every night I have nightmares about what I saw done to little children. I can't sleep and I have stomach problems and intense ptsd
I didn't like highschool much, but it rarely crosses my mind today, and I'm not long out of it.
I think that is the point. There is a survivor alumni forum called cedualumni.com which would be for people who attended cedu. “Dishâ€
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Do 1000s of your highschool classmates post on a cult survivor network forum describing how damaged they were by being systematically tortured at your "highschool" ? IF so, the comparison would have some meaning
Every night I have nightmares about what I saw done to little children. I can't sleep and I have stomach problems and intense ptsd
I didn't like highschool much, but it rarely crosses my mind today, and I'm not long out of it.
I think that is the point. There is a survivor alumni forum called cedualumni.com which would be for people who attended cedu. “Dishâ€
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Yes, the truth hurts. Being tortured, seeing a murder hurts. It hurts. Evil hurts. Your presumptuousness to DARE to say I am making up a trauma (for the fun of posting in an obscure forum, anon) that you aren't doing it not because you disbeleive me, but to support the industry you make money off of, merely repulses me.
Look, “nowhereâ€
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Hey, maybe i shouldn't even jump into the middle here, but i'm getting a little irritated!!! talking about MY experiences, i HAVE gone to the authorities, but nothing as of yet has been done. the home i was in is still up and running and abusing and ruining lives. and i think after 18 years of carrying all of this crap INSIDE, i have a right to come here and post so others can see. I know ppl from my program who experienced things 10x's worse than what i did...so NO ONE has the right to come on here and doubt what someone else says happened to them. honestly, this is just another way that these messed up programs win...this is how they thrive and stay in operation. and many people don't go to the police b/c guess what...they are gonna' get treated w/ the same reaction that you are throwing out there. people don't believe this kind of torture happens. and as far as going in and taking a tour of the place...that's kind of funny. i don't think they are going to have you come in on the day when they are handing out the whippings, you know. you get to see maybe 5 or 10 kids at a time...in a small controlled group...nice and brainwashed and too afraid to scream to the visitors that they need help. and by the way...everytime you judge someone else's story and post your doubts in such a way as to call them out as a liar...you cast doubt in some parent's mind. some parent who may be here to check out the place they want to send their kid to. in the end i hope you are held accountable for what happens to some poor kid b/c their dad read your post and figured that the rest of us losers here must be lying.
oh yeah...and in my case......
Abduction....MEANT being kidnapped
Abuse....MEANT being abused
Isolation.....MEANT total isolation and degradation (and throw in some humiliation as well)......on and on
Incarceration....meant being held captive against my will
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Hey, maybe i shouldn't even jump into the middle here, but i'm getting a little irritated!!!
No, jump in, this is a worthwhile discussion:
The problem with changing the definitions is that kids like yourself read here on fornits that being escorted to a school is considered kidnapping, when it is not. So when a child gets out of school and is pissed off for some reason or because they didn’t want to attend the program they go to the police and say “Help, I was kidnapped!!!â€
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Torture
The act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty. A method of inflicting such pain. Extreme anguish of body or mind. A cause of sever pain or anguish.
Man, i only wish I had gotten a day to spend by myself in a room. and if the biggest concern i had was no salt and pepper at the dinner table, i wouldn't be here on Fornits. OBVIOUSLY, history has shown us examples of people who have fabricated stories of abuse. and history also shows us the reasons people have fabricated those stories. this is a different forum altogether. here we are people reaching out to others who have gone through a similar situation. we are sharing our stories also to educate people who otherwise would never hear the truth. it's like the miracle drug weight loss commercials...they never show the fat girl who spent $450 on the pills and ended up gaining 35#....duh, they show a before pic of someone looking extremeley slovenly, and then miraculously 12 days later she looks like a model. so go ahead and read all the testimonials on the websites of all the child TORTURE programs around, and you will see the same. do you think they'd put my testimonial on there? not likely. so this is where i get to post my testimonail...my story of what really went on on the inside.
i have been very up front on here about posting exactly what program i was in. Hephzibah House...1989-1990...Indiana....director Ron L. Williams.
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I think we've found a place where TheWho is desperately afraid, so let's make an effort to poke holes in it.
Gookin should put this in the Escaper's Guide: The moment the escorts show up, IMMEDIATELY DO WHAT YOU CAN TO GET TO A PHONE AND DIAL 911. You can even stab them if you like- odds are you won't get in trouble for it (and even if you do, what is the legal system gonna do- send you to jail, a better place than the average program? :lol:) If the police see two large, burly men attacking a screaming teen, what the fuck do you think they are going to do?
Don't fucking make it easy for them. When your parents see you screaming, and after the cops have taken hours to calm everybody down (or take someone to jail, or whatever), the entire fucking neighborhood will know what your parents have tried to do and they probably won't go through with it.
Similarly, if you do something like send your foot into the spokes of the steering wheel when being kidnapped (yes, it IS kidnapping) and th cops come, and they see one of the escorts beating you for it (THIS ONE WAS ACTUALLY REPORTED.), they WILL take you back home. Guaranteed.
Start fighting back immediately or end up at the tender mercies of shitheads like this one.
Your choice.
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Sure, child torturer, whomever doesnt name their program is clearly a troll, even though you just said that I shouldn't give details of what happened to me on this board "until I go to the police." And you are a troll for refusing to give your full name, and address. Survivors don't owe you any info they aren't willing to give, for whatever reason, and that doesn't mean anything. YOU are the troll. YOU have no interest in doing anything but derailing threads, confusing whomever may visit and not be a survivor, and insulting kids whom give details of their abuse, often anon.
Remember how funny you thought that kid getting duct taped was?
You are a subhuman child torturer, a dispicable low life, someone whom is either so servely mentally ill that they post morning to night on a forum for abused kids tellling them that they are lying, or an industry shill for BAIN CAPITAL. If you are the former I pity you, if you are the latter...i'll look foward to you imprisonment.
Dishduty, your figures are off. More people hate cedu than you recognize, and you don't factor in the casulties, the dead, the walking dead, either.
What period, and at what campus ,do you think the brainwashing/abuse was most intense?
QFT'd. And the all-time abuse champ is still Tranquility Bay, with the perverts at the JRC and Peninsula Village bringing up a close second.
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I think we've found a place where TheWho is desperately afraid, so let's make an effort to poke holes in it.
Gookin should put this in the Escaper's Guide: The moment the escorts show up, IMMEDIATELY DO WHAT YOU CAN TO GET TO A PHONE AND DIAL 911. You can even stab them if you like- odds are you won't get in trouble for it (and even if you do, what is the legal system gonna do- send you to jail, a better place than the average program? :lol:) If the police see two large, burly men attacking a screaming teen, what the fuck do you think they are going to do?
Don't fucking make it easy for them. When your parents see you screaming, and after the cops have taken hours to calm everybody down (or take someone to jail, or whatever), the entire fucking neighborhood will know what your parents have tried to do and they probably won't go through with it.
Similarly, if you do something like send your foot into the spokes of the steering wheel when being kidnapped (yes, it IS kidnapping) and th cops come, and they see one of the escorts beating you for it (THIS ONE WAS ACTUALLY REPORTED.), they WILL take you back home. Guaranteed.
Start fighting back immediately or end up at the tender mercies of shitheads like this one.
Your choice.
Good post, This really raises the point that parents need to hire an agency that is experienced in teen escorts. The process can be dangerous and someone could get hurt if the situation is not handled correctly or gets out of hand.
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.
But you knew this.
And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
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Torture
The act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty. A method of inflicting such pain. Extreme anguish of body or mind. A cause of sever pain or anguish.
Man, i only wish I had gotten a day to spend by myself in a room. and if the biggest concern i had was no salt and pepper at the dinner table, i wouldn't be here on Fornits. OBVIOUSLY, history has shown us examples of people who have fabricated stories of abuse. and history also shows us the reasons people have fabricated those stories. this is a different forum altogether. here we are people reaching out to others who have gone through a similar situation. we are sharing our stories also to educate people who otherwise would never hear the truth. it's like the miracle drug weight loss commercials...they never show the fat girl who spent $450 on the pills and ended up gaining 35#....duh, they show a before pic of someone looking extremeley slovenly, and then miraculously 12 days later she looks like a model. so go ahead and read all the testimonials on the websites of all the child TORTURE programs around, and you will see the same. do you think they'd put my testimonial on there? not likely. so this is where i get to post my testimonail...my story of what really went on on the inside.
i have been very up front on here about posting exactly what program i was in. Hephzibah House...1989-1990...Indiana....director Ron L. Williams.
I know, not having salt or pepper is not a big deal to me either, but to some this was considered a definition of torture and abuse as was carrying wood from one place to the next. Seems the watering down of the definition hurts the kids who really were tortured or abused.
There is always going to be the “Buyer bewareâ€
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.
But you knew this.
And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone. Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.
But you knew this.
And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone. Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...
Not many kids have land-lines in their rooms any more. Most professional agencies visit the house at night (after a night of the kid partying) and are trained not to allow anything to escalate. It is done quickly and silently, otherwise they would not be in business very long.
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.
But you knew this.
And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone. Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...
Unless the kid is told the night before, that he is being escorted, there is no way he/she could react or be prepared from a dead sleep.
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.
But you knew this.
And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone. Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...
Not many kids have land-lines in their rooms any more. Most professional agencies visit the house at night (after a night of the kid partying) and are trained not to allow anything to escalate. It is done quickly and silently, otherwise they would not be in business very long.
When I was abducted i was confused as to what was legal and what was not. If my parents want me to be kidnapped, I thought, will the police even help me?
The answer is no. I was right to be confused.
A kid I know was kidnapped, and dragged in handcuffs into an airport. The kid was screaming and crying and the cops witnessing did nothing, as her parents had given the OK for this to happen. This is all on videotape somewhere....And, yes, the places that torture kids, that abduct them, remain open, or close (after a dozen lawsuits) and the staff regroups, and often starts another one. The victims get no justice.
And I don't even consider PV an abusive facility similar to what I went through. A cult is abusive, I'll take a restraint happy hospital anyday, over a cult. People don't undestand the LEVEL of torture that goes on in cults. It really is outside the realm of human understanding.
Gabby, the who works for BAIN, or is an insane 50 year old cult member He knows our stories. He considers it his mission to tell us we're lying, he deliberately attempts to confuse (whoever mught be reading these threads) by implying that we think loosing our right to use salt is "torture", and he plays some weird semanitcal game with "abduction". He feels if your parents give permission for men or children to come to your home and abduct it's not abduction.
He's truly orwellian. Words don't have meaning, or mean two things at once. Crazy. thankfully he digs his own hole with that one
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No, shithead, it means that the kids need to sleep with knives under their pillows, never accept anything from their parents before bed, lock/barricade their doors at night, keep a cellphone ALWAYS handy (even a phone listed as stolen can still dial 911), and generally be paranoid.
But you knew this.
And I know that any kid with the Internet access and wherewithal to read Fornits has already taken sufficient precautionary measures against their own parents to prevent it from happening already, making this post (and every other discussion with you) completely pointless.
If it is a land-line and hence traceable, you don't even need to say anything into the phone. Just dial 911, leave the receiver off the hook so they can trace, and stall...
Not many kids have land-lines in their rooms any more. Most professional agencies visit the house at night (after a night of the kid partying) and are trained not to allow anything to escalate. It is done quickly and silently, otherwise they would not be in business very long.
When I was abducted i was confused as to what was legal and what was not. If my parents want me to be kidnapped, I thought, will the police even help me?
The answer is no. I was right to be confused.
A kid I know was kidnapped, and dragged in handcuffs into an airport. The kid was screaming and crying and the cops witnessing did nothing, as her parents had given the OK for this to happen. This is all on videotape somewhere....And, yes, the places that torture kids, that abduct them, remain open, or close (after a dozen lawsuits) and the staff regroups, and often starts another one. The victims get no justice.
And I don't even consider PV an abusive facility similar to what I went through. A cult is abusive, I'll take a restraint happy hospital anyday, over a cult. People don't undestand the LEVEL of torture that goes on in cults. It really is outside the realm of human understanding.
Gabby, the who works for BAIN, or is an insane 50 year old cult member He knows our stories. He considers it his mission to tell us we're lying, he deliberately attempts to confuse (whoever mught be reading these threads) by implying that we think loosing our right to use salt is "torture", and he plays some weird semanitcal game with "abduction". He feels if your parents give permission for men or children to come to your home and abduct it's not abduction.
He's truly orwellian. Words don't have meaning, or mean two things at once. Crazy. thankfully he digs his own hole with that one
Sorry. There's a lot of bad grammar and typos in that post. I'm sleepy
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Unless the kid is told the night before, that he is being escorted, there is no way he/she could react or be prepared from a dead sleep.
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And that, little droogie, is what my fighting knife and cell phone kept on my person at all times, makeshift alarm systems, abandoning sleep for catnaps and very much caffeine, and newfound knowledge of police protocol and legal systems is for.
The process can be dangerous, after all, and rest assured that if anyone ever tries to pull that shit again, someone WILL get hurt. ^.^
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And that, little droogie, is what my fighting knife and cell phone kept on my person at all times, makeshift alarm systems, abandoning sleep for catnaps and very much caffeine, and newfound knowledge of police protocol and legal systems is for
No one should have to live like that.
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And that, little droogie, is what my fighting knife and cell phone kept on my person at all times, makeshift alarm systems, abandoning sleep for catnaps and very much caffeine, and newfound knowledge of police protocol and legal systems is for.
The process can be dangerous, after all, and rest assured that if anyone ever tries to pull that shit again, someone WILL get hurt. ^.^
I had a friend who slept with a knife under his pillow when he was 16, but I didn't connect that to the programs until recently.
Shit, I don't even think he knew what he was preparing for- all he knew is that his mom had threatened to send men after him in the middle of the night.
It never happened, which is kind of a shame- the thought of Rick Strawn with a six-inch blade slammed deep into his sternum (or spiked with a quick overhand strike right into his lower trachea, just above his collarbone) pleases and amuses me.
Remember, kids, these people are going to seriously fucking hurt you and if you've made it to page 8 of a Fornits thread you already know this is the case. If you haven't hit them hard enough to send them to the hospital, keep trying.
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Seriously... i'm almost torn between the obvious trauma and the fact that my fancy FS knife will probably never see the ribs of a kidnapper. ;_;
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Newton got SCROOGED!
http://www.scroogeyourself.com/?id=1870699442 (http://www.scroogeyourself.com/?id=1870699442)
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And that, little droogie, is what my fighting knife and cell phone kept on my person at all times, makeshift alarm systems, abandoning sleep for catnaps and very much caffeine, and newfound knowledge of police protocol and legal systems is for
No one should have to live like that.
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I hear you, I would never want to live that way either. You would think instead of all that work to prepare for an unwanted road trip he could use a third of that energy to crack the books a little and get his butt thru high school….. Obey the house rules until he can head out on his own.
These tough guys, carrying and hiding knives, would be the first ones to come back to fornits and complain that the escorts used unnecessary force!!
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Actually, *she* is living apart from parents and just finishing up high school (as I had been doing easily before the aforementioned kidnapping - my only crime was being sad).
There's a difference between being traumatized and/or paranoid and being traumatized and/or paranoid to the exclusion of all else.