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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 08:01:49 PM
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When posting someone's dox on Fornits, make sure you have the RIGHT FUCKING GUY, okay?
Alan Newman of anr.com is decisively not TheWho.
TheWho, since you DID originally claim to be "Alan Newman of Newton" - bad acronym bullshit or not- prepare to eat a shitstorm.
'Cause the REAL Alan Newman is fucking pissed.
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When posting someone's dox on Fornits, make sure you have the RIGHT FUCKING GUY, okay?
Alan Newman of anr.com is decisively not TheWho.
TheWho, since you DID originally claim to be "Alan Newman of Newton" - bad acronym bullshit or not- prepare to eat a shitstorm.
'Cause the REAL Alan Newman is fucking pissed.
He should be pissed, I know I would be if my picture was posted on fornits and started getting emails and phone calls from these people from fornits.. I might still be Alan Newman from Newton, but maybe I live in Massachusetts.
You should be careful of what you assume...and should never post peoples names and pictures on here.
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::roflmao::
Perhaps Alan Newman is a competitor.
Who gets off on slandering people under the guise of Free Speech, in this case, it was orginally an anon post.
When his anon posts were linked to his username and this was pointed out he quickly changed it.
He left those pretending to be an ex Hyde participant.
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(http://http://www.anr.com/images/alan_photo.jpg)
I am delighted to welcome you to Alan Newman Research and introduce you to our company, our services, and most importantly, our wonderfully talented people. It is my hope that in addition to providing you with an understanding of our trend-setting and proprietary qualitative and quantitative research products, we will give you a sense of the excitement, strong sense of purpose, and commitment of our people. People who are smart, articulate and well trained. People who want their client to succeed. That’s the ANR difference. Of course, our world class experience doesn’t hurt.
For more than 25 years, we have provided our clients with the highest quality market research services. We hope we’ll have an opportunity to do the same for you. If you’re interested enough in what you’ve seen here, please give one of us a call.
Thanks for visiting.
Sincerely yours,
(http://http://www.anr.com/images/Alans_sig.gif)
Alan Newman
Chief Executive Officer
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::roflmao::
Perhaps Alan Newman is a competitor.
Who gets off on slandering people under the guise of Free Speech, in this case, it was orginally an anon post.
When his anon posts were linked to his username and this was pointed out he quickly changed it.
He left those pretending to be an ex Hyde participant.
Its funny , if you look at your last 10 posts they all refer to “Free speechâ€
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Its funny , if you look at your last 10 posts they all refer to “Free speechâ€
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::roflmao::
Perhaps Alan Newman is a competitor.
Who gets off on slandering people under the guise of Free Speech, in this case, it was orginally an anon post.
When his anon posts were linked to his username and this was pointed out he quickly changed it.
He left those pretending to be an ex Hyde participant.
Its funny , if you look at your last 10 posts they all refer to “Free speechâ€
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When posting someone's dox on Fornits, make sure you have the RIGHT FUCKING GUY, okay?
Alan Newman of anr.com is decisively not TheWho.
TheWho, since you DID originally claim to be "Alan Newman of Newton" - bad acronym bullshit or not- prepare to eat a shitstorm.
'Cause the REAL Alan Newman is fucking pissed.
Maybe I'll just drop Mr. Newman an email at his place of business, telling him what goes on at this site, about the FBI investigation of fornits that Sue Scheff has initiated in Florida, about the harrassment I've faced here.
Who knows Antigen, if things come together just right, your normally irrelevant self may actually have a role in the making of new law, let's see what happens.
Ottawa5
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Maybe I'll just drop Mr. Newman an email at his place of business, telling him what goes on at this site, about the FBI investigation of fornits that Sue Scheff has initiated in Florida, about the harrassment I've faced here.
Good luck with that! :roll: :wave:
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Maybe I'll just drop Mr. Newman an email at his place of business, telling him what goes on at this site, about the FBI investigation of fornits that Sue Scheff has initiated in Florida, about the harrassment I've faced here.
Good luck with that! :roll: :wave:
I hope he would support program survivors and ask how his name got involved in this - and that would lead us to Mr. Bain Capital.
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Deborah wrote:
Still with slander huh? Now it's not just your posts, but others.
I thought you didn’t think it was slander, but now you changed your mind…Hmm…having second thoughts?
Why did you go AWOL in the thread where I challenged you to produce a shred of evidence.
I am still here, and the whole thing went down in full view of the readers. You are asking for evidence of deleted posts and altered posts, which had no edit trails for admins…. Months after it occurred. Viewers stepped forward and stated they witnessed the changes being done to my posts. You sat silently back then when we were trying to resolve the issue and come up with ways to keep the database safe and give confidence to other posters that their posts would not be changed.. you never stepped in to help or give input. Psy worked to get the database changed to one which would give an edit trail to all edits including admins.
You seem to not care for the health of fornits or you would not put it at risk like that and then sit back allowing speculation of the integrity of people’s posts. I consider that very selfish.
Starting with the alleged PM in which you claimed to have "warned" me not to delete your posts?
I asked you to stop deleting my posts. I attempted to resolve it personally with you first and when it didn’t stop I brought it up in the open forum. You could have avoided this by just stopping the deletions… and the rest is history…. It was determined that there is no edit trail for admins… readers acknowledged the posts were altered…. Previous posters came forward and said they had problems also in this area with you and the database… you were outed and changes have been made to prevent this from happening again… I guess you can still run havoc within the HLA forum but not out here in the TTI anymore which I think was a good decision. I would suggest that you just try to keep people informed of your rules before they post just to be fair. You want the power to alter peoples posts you should discuss it openly so people know what to expect.
You're on Fornits all day long everyday. What are your adopted kids doing while you play mindgames with people and attempt to present yourself to the public as a helpless victim?
I thought you were playing the victim because someone asked you why you question other peoples parenting skills when you apparently had yours taken away from you.. all I am saying is you shouldn’t judge others until you get things straightened out in your own home. In today’s society it is difficult to take away a mothers child from her for no reason… you shouldn’t point fingers.
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Maybe I'll just drop Mr. Newman an email at his place of business, telling him what goes on at this site, about the FBI investigation of fornits that Sue Scheff has initiated in Florida, about the harrassment I've faced here.
Good luck with that! :roll: :wave:
I hope he would support program survivors and ask how his name got involved in this - and that would lead us to Mr. Bain Capital.
Hoping isn't getting. You sound like you're deep into group-think my friend. The world at large doesn't view this issue as people at this site do: time to wake up to that.
And anyway, this guy's already pissed at being drawn into something that doesn't have any connection with him, the last thing he's going to respond to is a lot of preaching about what you "hope".
Maybe he'll just want to help teach some cyber-lunatics a lesson.
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Maybe he'll just want to help teach some cyber-lunatics a lesson.
...and maybe he won't... :wave: :P
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Maybe he'll just want to help teach some cyber-lunatics a lesson.
...and maybe he won't... :wave: :P
Yeah, life's a crap shoot, no telling how a stranger will react to being bothered like this. It likely depends upon how he's approached in explaining what's going on here.
Seems like fornits keeps stepping in it though, and it's only a matter of time til the powers-that-be start regulating actions that effect people who get impacted by accident--when they have absolutely no interest in your cause.
That's a kind of freedom, you know, to be left alone and not bothered by other people's ranting and raving.
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That's a kind of freedom, you know, to be left alone and not bothered by other people's ranting and raving.
If only we were so lucky.
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What did you guys send to him...I’m mulling the possibilities.... He has a client list...a contact list...Did you email every one of these people....perhaps saying something along the lines of "Alan Newman participate in acts of child torture, represents the interests of child torturers...followed graphic descriptions of the sort of torture that Alan Newman participates in via copy and paste and links to Heal?
Yes, perhaps I can see how that might upset him.
You know that this is hilarious, right?
Give me the dirt.
What did you guys say?
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What did you guys send to him...I’m mulling the possibilities.... He has a client list...a contact list...Did you email every one of these people....perhaps saying something along the lines of "Alan Newman participate in acts of child torture, represents the interests of child torturers...followed graphic descriptions of the sort of torture that Alan Newman participates in via copy and paste and links to Heal?
Yes, perhaps I can see how that might upset him.
You know that this is hilarious, right?
Give me the dirt.
What did you guys say?
Sounds actionable to me. Either in the courts or in the legislature.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but the only thing I accused him of is what Psy claimed: him being TheWho.
Which is quite enough to damn TheWho, really. If his daughter or anyone else in his life saw the kind of thing he posted here, it would lead directly to public castigation.
Who, you seriously should not have claimed yourself to be Alan Newman way back when. If I made the kind of posts you made, and then put someone else's name on my words, I'm pretty sure that someone would be very pissed with me.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but the only thing I accused him of is what Psy claimed: him being TheWho.
Which is quite enough to damn TheWho, really. If his daughter or anyone else in his life saw the kind of thing he posted here, it would lead directly to public castigation.
Who, you seriously should not have claimed yourself to be Alan Newman way back when. If I made the kind of posts you made, and then put someone else's name on my words, I'm pretty sure that someone would be very pissed with me.
No, it has to be more than that.
Alan Newman is a common name, nobody in their right mind would just assume that some reference to that name was a particular person.
Sounds like either somebody wasn't in fact in their right mind, or just acted stupidly.
The fact that the Who talked about that particular name doesn't justify some wierd-ass action that apparently transpiered and targeted a particular person who had nothing to do with this site.
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What did you guys send to him...I’m mulling the possibilities.... He has a client list...a contact list...Did you email every one of these people....perhaps saying something along the lines of "Alan Newman participate in acts of child torture, represents the interests of child torturers...followed graphic descriptions of the sort of torture that Alan Newman participates in via copy and paste and links to Heal?
Yes, perhaps I can see how that might upset him.
You know that this is hilarious, right?
Give me the dirt.
What did you guys say?
Sounds actionable to me. Either in the courts or in the legislature.
its hardly "actionable". Keep dreaming, Anne. You are some peice of work.
its more like the makings of "confusion of identies" sitcom episode.
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Granted. But there's only one promient Alan Newman involved in market research, which TheWho has claimed to be involved in to various people.
Zen implied that he had hard knowledge; I assumed that that's where Psy got his information. I was not expecting that someone as astute as Psy would actually believe what a pathological liar says about himself without corroborating the information first.
So yes. Psy was NOT thinking straight.
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You are without a doubt insane and the ultimate habitual liar, with more than a program parent's interest in this topic.
I asked you to stop deleting my posts. I attempted to resolve it personally with you first and when it didn’t stop I brought it up in the open forum.
Then you shouldn't have a problem producing the alleged PM and giving Ginger permission to confirm if it exists in your PMs.
Why did you go AWOL in the thread where I challenged you to produce a shread of evidence? Admin trail isn't necessary. Coward.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=296308#296308 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=296308#296308)
Starting with the alleged PM in which you claimed to have "warned" me not to delete your posts?
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 363#296363 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=296363#296363)
Psy worked to get the database changed to one which would give an edit trail to all edits including admins..... you were outed and changes have been made to prevent this from happening again…
What reality do you live in? The entire forum watched as Gook changed your's and Niles's usernames and passwords and delete an entire thread, three weeks ago? Interesting that you claim to have laughed it up with TSW, but when it went down you were furious, demanding that the "fucking database be secured". As if you were in a position to make any demands here. Also interesting that you "forgive" the person who actually deleted your posts but continue with your campaign claiming that I did.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=290455#290455 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=290455#290455)
Nice try at covering your butts.. the posts were altered, they always have been and I just provided the evidence. now instead of trying to make me look like the one doing it, why not do your jobs and plug the hole so it cant happen to other people. There is a hole in your system and no one is going to feel safe posting sensitive information until you get this fixed. Especially if they work for the industry.
Fix the fucking problem...dont do it for me, fools.. do it for the information you may get from disgruntled employees who may want to post here
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=296363#296363[/url]
I thought you were playing the victim because someone asked you why you question other peoples parenting skills when you apparently had yours taken away from you.. all I am saying is you shouldn’t judge others until you get things straightened out in your own home. In today’s society it is difficult to take away a mothers child from her for no reason… you shouldn’t point fingers.
Not "someone", that was you.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=296158#296158 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=296158#296158)
My kids weren't taken away and I'm not a lesbian.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=296449#296449 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=296449#296449)
What were your adopted kids doing today while you sat on Fornits all day slandering me? Spend some time with your kids. Aspen's income stream doesn't appear at this point to be in jeopardy, or is it?
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Granted. But there's only one promient Alan Newman involved in market research, which TheWho has claimed to be involved in to various people.
Zen implied that he had hard knowledge; I assumed that that's where Psy got his information. I was not expecting that someone as astute as Psy would actually believe what a pathological liar says about himself without corroborating the information first.
So yes. Psy was NOT thinking straight.
Zen, if it was him spreading the info, shouldn't be saying he has hard info about the true identity of people that he does not. Overconfidence, self aggrandizement, and fucking yourself go hand in hand.
Still, it's just plain funny. If you were sending "nice" letters imagine what some more vociferous people were doing. Ultimately, angry though you might me initially, unless your're a really angry person, i think this sort of thing gets chalked up in the amusing anecdotes section of the brain.
How pissed is this fellow?
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How pissed is this fellow?
If I had to make a guess, I'd say somewhere between Luke* on a bad day and HULK SMASH.
him[/b].
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How pissed is this fellow?
If I had to make a guess, I'd say somewhere between Luke* on a bad day and HULK SMASH.
him[/b].
luke stephens? He's my favorite fornits character. :)
I would LOVE to read the emails that were sent to him,rthe replies, and irate phone calls.
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luke stephens? He's my favorite fornits character. :)
You can probably get a hold of him if you ask. Why you would want to is another question entirely.
I would LOVE to read the emails that were sent to him,rthe replies,
No. I will absolutely not repost anything of the sort.
Can we leave this poor guy out of this? He really doesn't have shit to do with anything here.
Fornits is inhabited by the abused, the disturbing, and the people whose souls are abyssal enough to want to come here. This place is an offshoot of Hell, with two classes of demons (programmies and hatred lords) fighting each other for supremacy amidst the horribly emotionally maimed and the horrified onlookers. Nobody should have Fornits inflicted on them who doesn't deserve it, or need to see it.
And O5. Seriously, before you get on your high horse and say "This is why Forntis must be destroyed", consider what would happen if you ever actually succeeded. Consider a hundred vicious people *already* with a strong revenge interest suddenly deprived of their home. In fact I hope you do succeed because I have an enormous chaotic bent myself and would love to see all hell break loose.
No one may disobey the Law of Unintended Consequences. Not Psy. Not TheWho. Not the programs. Not me. NO ONE.
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Alan Newman is a common name, nobody in their right mind would just assume that some reference to that name was a particular person.
TheWho baited the hook a bit, didn't he? As you say, it's a common name. Intent to defame would have to be proven, as well as what "damage" resulted.
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Granted. But there's only one promient Alan Newman involved in market research, which TheWho has claimed to be involved in to various people.
Zen implied that he had hard knowledge; I assumed that that's where Psy got his information. I was not expecting that someone as astute as Psy would actually believe what a pathological liar says about himself without corroborating the information first.
So yes. Psy was NOT thinking straight.
What? How am I involved in this? What "hard knowledge" did I "imply" having? Psy and I have not discussed Alan Newman. Too much assumption going on. Don't make me sue you. :D
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The force of the intrawebs runs strong in this thread.
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Granted. But there's only one promient Alan Newman involved in market research, which TheWho has claimed to be involved in to various people.
Zen implied that he had hard knowledge; I assumed that that's where Psy got his information. I was not expecting that someone as astute as Psy would actually believe what a pathological liar says about himself without corroborating the information first.
So yes. Psy was NOT thinking straight.
Zen, if it was him spreading the info, shouldn't be saying he has hard info about the true identity of people that he does not. Overconfidence, self aggrandizement, and fucking yourself go hand in hand.
I didn't, and I'm surprised at the way this is going. This first anon posts Zen "implied", "I assumed", and the next anon is chastising me based on what another anon inferred from...something. Show me where I called theWho "Alan Newman". I've speculated Whootie's an accountant, in mergers and acquisitions, but If I had any "hard information" on the bastard, like conflict of interest or insider trading, I wouldn't post it here, I'd report him and not give Whootie a chance to spin his way out.
Overconfidence, self aggrandizement, and fucking yourself go hand in hand.
You just proved that. Go indulge in the third of your "hand in hand" actions.
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(http://http://www.norcalblogs.com/dog/alfred_e_neuman.jpg)
TheWho's real name is actually Alfred Newman, not Alan.
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TheWho's real name is actually Alfred Newman, not Alan.
::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
But... Alfred Newman was my hero!!
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TheWho's real name is actually Alfred Newman, not Alan.
::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
But... Alfred Newman was my hero!!
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When posting someone's dox on Fornits, make sure you have the RIGHT FUCKING GUY, okay?
Alan Newman of anr.com is decisively not TheWho.
TheWho, since you DID originally claim to be "Alan Newman of Newton" - bad acronym bullshit or not- prepare to eat a shitstorm.
'Cause the REAL Alan Newman is fucking pissed.
Maybe I'll just drop Mr. Newman an email at his place of business, telling him what goes on at this site, about the FBI investigation of fornits that Sue Scheff has initiated in Florida, about the harrassment I've faced here.
Who knows Antigen, if things come together just right, your normally irrelevant self may actually have a role in the making of new law, let's see what happens.
Ottawa5
Listen, Anne, you worthless whore. You've been threatining this for nearly THREE YEARS, bitch. AND...NOTHING.
Grow up! Get a life! Get over it! Go visit your rape-fantasizing kid in the looney bin!
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Maybe a letter explaining this site and the contact information and history contained in the following post, and Mr. Newman may just decide the FBI and the Planet need to take a role in reigning in the craziness.
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The Planet-EV1 Legal Response Team
> https://www.theplanet.com/index.html?p=legal (https://www.theplanet.com/index.html?p=legal)
> (214)782-7800 :: 1-800-377-6103
> Fax:: (214) 782-7756
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> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 2:50 PM
> *To:* Legal Response; Legal
> *Cc:* Abuse
> *Subject:* RE: Urgent - Abuse at ThePlanet - Death Threats and more
>
> And another - Read this email from sueschefftruth.com - Death Wish -
> Death Threat? - Please advise. I can't believe ThePlanet would > condone
> this. Everyone is taking this seriously.
>
>
> Author : Michael "Psy" Crawford (IP: 82.123.236.101
> ,
> ATuileries-153-1-29-101.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr
> )
> E-mail : http://www.sueschefftruth.com (http://www.sueschefftruth.com) www.sueschefftruth.com/ (http://www.sueschefftruth.com/)>
> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?que ... 23.236.101 (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=82.123.236.101)
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> Comment:
>
> Hey BITCH. Why don't you share Joyce Harris's Happy testimonial.
> Howabout the GREENS. You are WORSE than WWASP. At least they don't
> pretend to be righteous. You sicken me more than any human being I > have
> ever known to exist and I hope you get hit by a truck. That was not a
> death threat, that was a curse. A death WISH.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> --
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> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 3:34 PM
> *To:* 'Legal Response'
> *Subject:* RE: Urgent - Abuse at ThePlanet - Death Threats and more
>
> Dear Legal Response Team -
>
>
>
> I had forwarded the links in my previous email - attached they are
> copied and pasted into a Word Doc - the Links are within it.
>
>
> With or without the death threats - these websites clearly violate > your
> AUP and TOS since they are created to harass, malign, slander, defame,
> fraud and more. As I have attached previously, I have a Final > Judgment
> against Carey Bock - as well as a full investigation through the FBI
> regarding Michael Crawford who runs sueschefftruth.com.
>
> On your
> http://www.theplanet.com/about_us/legal ... Acceptable (http://www.theplanet.com/about_us/legal_docs/Planet%20Acceptable)%> 20Usage%20Policy%20AUP%20011507%20FINAL.pdf
> AUP
> page 6 it states the violations these websites are in.
>
> If you condone this behavior, I would be shocked - as no reputable > Host
> Server has - and I doubt that you do. I will also let you know that
> reputable websites such as Digg and PR Webwire have banned these
> people. This is Internet Terrorism - and to allow it only promotes > more
> hate and abuse.
>
>
> Please advise me of what steps I need to take next. Again, please > keep
> my emails confidential.
>
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>
> *From:* Legal Response [mailto:LegalResponseold@theplanet.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 3:14 PM
> *Subject:* FW: Urgent - Abuse at ThePlanet - Death Threats and more
>
> Dear Ms. Scheff:
>
>
> Please note that we were unable to locate on the web page
> www.fornits.com (http://www.fornits.com) ; www.careybock.com (http://www.careybock.com)
> and www.sueschefftruth.com (http://www.sueschefftruth.com)
> any death threat as of 2:13:32 p.m.
> (GMT-6).
>
>
> Legal Response Team
>
> ThePlanet.com
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 9:22 AM
> *To:* Legal; 'abuse@theplanet.com (http://mailto:'abuse@theplanet.com)' ;
> *Subject:* Urgent - Abuse at ThePlanet - Death Threats and more
>
> **CONFIDENTIAL - NOT TO BE FORWARDED, COPIED OR PASTED OUTSIDE OF
> THEPLANET OFFICES**
>
> **THIS IS EXTREMELY SENSITIVE INFORMATION AND COULD POTENTIALLY PUT MY
> FAMILY AND MYSELF AT DANGER IF RELEASED.**
>
>
> To: The Planet Abuse Dept.
>
>
> Re: Abuse on the the following websites that you host - > **according to
> your AUP** (Prohibited Activities) they are in extreme
> violation: www.fornits.com (http://www.fornits.com) (**Death > threats**,
> defamation, encouraging bodily harm, invasion of privacy and more)
> www.careybock.com (http://www.careybock.com) - used for hate, slander,
> libelous, harassment, **outright fraud**, and more. (See attached > final
> judgment) - www.sueschefftruth.com (http://www.sueschefftruth.com)
> created by **Michael Crawford** (see attached bio) who is being
> investigated by the FBI - and they have the death wish he sent me via
> email - this website is full of malicious content, harassing, > fraudulent
> information - including a lawsuit I never received, links to
> Anti-Semitic postings, and more. I am confident you will agree this
> is purely being used as a "hate" and harassment site. Make note
> that prior landing on the Planet - they were removed from GoDaddy and
> Netfirms.
>
>
>
> If you go to the above listed websites and do a
> search on my name or my business - PURE (Parent's Universal Resource
> Experts, Inc) - you will be apalled at the** threats**,
> defamation, slander, Anti-Semitic postings and more -even listing a
> lawsuit (Green v Focal Point) I have never received to further slander
> me. I have attached the bio of **Michael Crawford** - who is driving
> this obsession of cyber-stalking - he is currently being > investigated by
> the FBI - you can confirm with Agent Jeff Etters and Agent Brad Rex,
> Miami FBI 305-787-6654.
>
>
> Last fall, I won in a **jury trial** a judgment of _$11.3M - $5M of it
> was for punitive damages_ for **Internet Defamation and Invasion of
> Privacy**. The defendants, Ginger Warbis -MCNulty (Fornits) and Carey
> Bock were working in conjunction to literally destroy and ruin me > and my
> business - as well as my children. At one point, someone had > posted my
> daughter was **dead**. Since the law is gray on the responsibility of
> the Host - (Warbis-Fornits), I decided to dismiss her from the lawsuit
> early on and only sue Bock. It was due to financial reasons, the > legal
> cost me over $150K with just the one defendant. I had to second
> mortgage my home and go through my savings to protect my children.
>
>
> At the end - I was fully vindicated - however it only escalated the
> abuse as they now post as anonymous - and want to prove my verdict > means
> nothing to them. I retained Reputation Defender to help me keep their
> horrors off the top of Google - however I have now learned there are
> **death threats** on the website www.fornits.com (http://www.fornits.com)
> (in the forums). Emotionally, I can't go on
> that website, it nearly destroyed to the point I closed my office and
> never left my house. If you go to the website on the forum and do a
> search on my name (Sue Scheff) and PURE (they actually have PURE
> Bullshit as a forum) - I am confident you will have no problem seeing
> this horrific abuse.
>
>
> I was recently featured on 20/20 ABC News earlier this month - and > from
> there - this has escalated.
>
> They are also attacking my colleague, Isabelle Zehnder. **This is
> serious **- and I do hope ThePlanet takes this seriously. Just
> prior signing up for The Planet - they were "**removed**" from GoDaddy
> and Netfirms (in Canada).
>
>
> I have filed a police report with Broward Sherriff's office
> (File#W505031987) in Florida, I have filed a report with Internet > Crimes
> Bureau as well as my local FBI office (listed above). I am hoping
> criminal charges will be brought against these people. My lawyer is
> David Pollack, Miami, FL - 305-372-5900 or email at
> www.suescheff.com (http://www.suescheff.com) This is truly one of the
> worst forms of **Internet Terrorism** I have experienced. I have been
> interviewed by major media outlets - who did their due diligence on > me -
> I am a reputable person being targeted by Internet Terrorist - please
> don't all all them to "use" The Planet as their stomping ground.
>
>
> I look forward to your response and swift attention. I only hope you
> will remove these sites from your Host Server. If you have any > further
> questions or comments, please call me or email me. **Please keep my
> name and email confidential.**
>
>
> Thank you in advance for time and prompt attention.
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Maybe a letter explaining this site and the contact information and history contained in the following post, and Mr. Newman may just decide the FBI and the Planet need to take a role in reigning in the craziness.
Piss up a rope, Newman's on our side.
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How about this?
A letter to Mr. Newman acquainting him with this site's harrassment history, some info on the crazies that frequent it, the risk of on-going defamation he'll like face if only by mistake in his case, and the way in which Sue Scheff is bringing in the FBI and the Planet to try to put a stop to it?
Think maybe he'll be interested in helping to put a stop to all this?
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: Scheff's attempt to not allow peaceful protest.
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The Planet-EV1 Legal Response Team
> https://www.theplanet.com/index.html?p=legal (https://www.theplanet.com/index.html?p=legal)
> (214)782-7800 :: 1-800-377-6103
> Fax:: (214) 782-7756
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 2:50 PM
> *To:* Legal Response; Legal
> *Cc:* Abuse
> *Subject:* RE: Urgent - Abuse at ThePlanet - Death Threats and more
>
> And another - Read this email from sueschefftruth.com - Death Wish -
> Death Threat? - Please advise. I can't believe ThePlanet would > condone
> this. Everyone is taking this seriously.
>
>
> Author : Michael "Psy" Crawford (IP: 82.123.236.101
> ,
> ATuileries-153-1-29-101.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr
> )
> E-mail : http://www.sueschefftruth.com (http://www.sueschefftruth.com) www.sueschefftruth.com/ (http://www.sueschefftruth.com/)>
> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?que ... 23.236.101 (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=82.123.236.101)
>
> Comment:
>
> Hey BITCH. Why don't you share Joyce Harris's Happy testimonial.
> Howabout the GREENS. You are WORSE than WWASP. At least they don't
> pretend to be righteous. You sicken me more than any human being I > have
> ever known to exist and I hope you get hit by a truck. That was not a
> death threat, that was a curse. A death WISH.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> --
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 3:34 PM
> *To:* 'Legal Response'
> *Subject:* RE: Urgent - Abuse at ThePlanet - Death Threats and more
>
> Dear Legal Response Team -
>
>
>
> I had forwarded the links in my previous email - attached they are
> copied and pasted into a Word Doc - the Links are within it.
>
>
> With or without the death threats - these websites clearly violate > your
> AUP and TOS since they are created to harass, malign, slander, defame,
> fraud and more. As I have attached previously, I have a Final > Judgment
> against Carey Bock - as well as a full investigation through the FBI
> regarding Michael Crawford who runs sueschefftruth.com.
>
> On your
> http://www.theplanet.com/about_us/legal ... Acceptable (http://www.theplanet.com/about_us/legal_docs/Planet%20Acceptable)%> 20Usage%20Policy%20AUP%20011507%20FINAL.pdf
> AUP
> page 6 it states the violations these websites are in.
>
> If you condone this behavior, I would be shocked - as no reputable > Host
> Server has - and I doubt that you do. I will also let you know that
> reputable websites such as Digg and PR Webwire have banned these
> people. This is Internet Terrorism - and to allow it only promotes > more
> hate and abuse.
>
>
> Please advise me of what steps I need to take next. Again, please > keep
> my emails confidential.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> --
>
> *From:* Legal Response [mailto:LegalResponseold@theplanet.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 3:14 PM
> *Subject:* FW: Urgent - Abuse at ThePlanet - Death Threats and more
>
> Dear Ms. Scheff:
>
>
> Please note that we were unable to locate on the web page
> www.fornits.com (http://www.fornits.com) ; www.careybock.com (http://www.careybock.com)
> and www.sueschefftruth.com (http://www.sueschefftruth.com)
> any death threat as of 2:13:32 p.m.
> (GMT-6).
>
>
> Legal Response Team
>
> ThePlanet.com
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2007 9:22 AM
> *To:* Legal; 'abuse@theplanet.com (http://mailto:'abuse@theplanet.com)' ;
> *Subject:* Urgent - Abuse at ThePlanet - Death Threats and more
>
> **CONFIDENTIAL - NOT TO BE FORWARDED, COPIED OR PASTED OUTSIDE OF
> THEPLANET OFFICES**
>
> **THIS IS EXTREMELY SENSITIVE INFORMATION AND COULD POTENTIALLY PUT MY
> FAMILY AND MYSELF AT DANGER IF RELEASED.**
>
>
> To: The Planet Abuse Dept.
>
>
> Re: Abuse on the the following websites that you host - > **according to
> your AUP** (Prohibited Activities) they are in extreme
> violation: www.fornits.com (http://www.fornits.com) (**Death > threats**,
> defamation, encouraging bodily harm, invasion of privacy and more)
> www.careybock.com (http://www.careybock.com) - used for hate, slander,
> libelous, harassment, **outright fraud**, and more. (See attached > final
> judgment) - www.sueschefftruth.com (http://www.sueschefftruth.com)
> created by **Michael Crawford** (see attached bio) who is being
> investigated by the FBI - and they have the death wish he sent me via
> email - this website is full of malicious content, harassing, > fraudulent
> information - including a lawsuit I never received, links to
> Anti-Semitic postings, and more. I am confident you will agree this
> is purely being used as a "hate" and harassment site. Make note
> that prior landing on the Planet - they were removed from GoDaddy and
> Netfirms.
>
>
>
> If you go to the above listed websites and do a
> search on my name or my business - PURE (Parent's Universal Resource
> Experts, Inc) - you will be apalled at the** threats**,
> defamation, slander, Anti-Semitic postings and more -even listing a
> lawsuit (Green v Focal Point) I have never received to further slander
> me. I have attached the bio of **Michael Crawford** - who is driving
> this obsession of cyber-stalking - he is currently being > investigated by
> the FBI - you can confirm with Agent Jeff Etters and Agent Brad Rex,
> Miami FBI 305-787-6654.
>
>
> Last fall, I won in a **jury trial** a judgment of _$11.3M - $5M of it
> was for punitive damages_ for **Internet Defamation and Invasion of
> Privacy**. The defendants, Ginger Warbis -MCNulty (Fornits) and Carey
> Bock were working in conjunction to literally destroy and ruin me > and my
> business - as well as my children. At one point, someone had > posted my
> daughter was **dead**. Since the law is gray on the responsibility of
> the Host - (Warbis-Fornits), I decided to dismiss her from the lawsuit
> early on and only sue Bock. It was due to financial reasons, the > legal
> cost me over $150K with just the one defendant. I had to second
> mortgage my home and go through my savings to protect my children.
>
>
> At the end - I was fully vindicated - however it only escalated the
> abuse as they now post as anonymous - and want to prove my verdict > means
> nothing to them. I retained Reputation Defender to help me keep their
> horrors off the top of Google - however I have now learned there are
> **death threats** on the website www.fornits.com (http://www.fornits.com)
> (in the forums). Emotionally, I can't go on
> that website, it nearly destroyed to the point I closed my office and
> never left my house. If you go to the website on the forum and do a
> search on my name (Sue Scheff) and PURE (they actually have PURE
> Bullshit as a forum) - I am confident you will have no problem seeing
> this horrific abuse.
>
>
> I was recently featured on 20/20 ABC News earlier this month - and > from
> there - this has escalated.
>
> They are also attacking my colleague, Isabelle Zehnder. **This is
> serious **- and I do hope ThePlanet takes this seriously. Just
> prior signing up for The Planet - they were "**removed**" from GoDaddy
> and Netfirms (in Canada).
>
>
> I have filed a police report with Broward Sherriff's office
> (File#W505031987) in Florida, I have filed a report with Internet > Crimes
> Bureau as well as my local FBI office (listed above). I am hoping
> criminal charges will be brought against these people. My lawyer is
> David Pollack, Miami, FL - 305-372-5900 or email at
> www.suescheff.com (http://www.suescheff.com) This is truly one of the
> worst forms of **Internet Terrorism** I have experienced. I have been
> interviewed by major media outlets - who did their due diligence on > me -
> I am a reputable person being targeted by Internet Terrorist - please
> don't all all them to "use" The Planet as their stomping ground.
>
>
> I look forward to your response and swift attention. I only hope you
> will remove these sites from your Host Server. If you have any > further
> questions or comments, please call me or email me. **Please keep my
> name and email confidential.**
>
>
> Thank you in advance for time and prompt attention.
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How about this?
A letter to Mr. Newman acquainting him with this site's harrassment history, some info on the crazies that frequent it, the risk of on-going defamation he'll like face if only by mistake in his case, and the way in which Sue Scheff is bringing in the FBI and the Planet to try to put a stop to it?
Think maybe he'll be interested in helping to put a stop to all this?
Nah... We're gonna be sending this fella some information about the control-freak programmies who frequent this site. 8-)
You wanna talk about crazy? That's you and your kind: you think you're above the law in the name of tough love! THAT, Anne, is crazy...and we fervently await Mr. Newman's decision. :rofl:
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What Anne needs is a good spanking from Niles.
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To tell you the truth, I wonder just how much SS, O5 et al's efforts may, indeed, end up backfiring on them. As if the FBI did not have more legitimate and potentially dangerous cases on its agenda! Do they really think an internet pissing match is going to warrant 10's of thousands of dollars in dedicated investigation? Oy! What sheer vanity and inflated self-perception!
Hey, I welcome the opportunity for the public to receive increased exposure to the horrors of this industry, not to mention highlighting how certain individuals seek to restrict everybody else's First Amendment rights for their own personal self-interest!
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To tell you the truth, I wonder just how much SS, O5 et al's efforts may, indeed, end up backfiring on them.
The thought occurred to me as well, my furry friend.
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To tell you the truth, I wonder just how much SS, O5 et al's efforts may, indeed, end up backfiring on them. As if the FBI did not have more legitimate and potentially dangerous cases on its agenda! Do they really think an internet pissing match is going to warrant 10's of thousands of dollars in dedicated investigation? Oy! What sheer vanity and inflated self-perception!
The FBI absolutely takes death threats and posting of people's personal information as serious. There are cases in the courts, civil and criminal, dealing with this kind of things right now. Check out the FBI web site and see how they're defining "cyber-stalking". While you're at it, pursue the other information there that may serve to enlighten you vis a vis your belief in the untouchable status of fornits.
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To tell you the truth, I wonder just how much SS, O5 et al's efforts may, indeed, end up backfiring on them. As if the FBI did not have more legitimate and potentially dangerous cases on its agenda! Do they really think an internet pissing match is going to warrant 10's of thousands of dollars in dedicated investigation? Oy! What sheer vanity and inflated self-perception!
The FBI absolutely takes death threats and posting of people's personal information as serious. There are cases in the courts, civil and criminal, dealing with this kind of things right now. Check out the FBI web site and see how they're defining "cyber-stalking". While you're at it, pursue the other information there that may serve to enlighten you vis a vis your belief in the untouchable status of fornits.
Considering that... - we're talking about someone who sought to advertise their whereabouts at great length, and that
- posting of said info on fornits was a mere repetition of said info posted by the individual in question elsewhere on the internet, and that
- said posting occurred quite some time ago, and still nothing has happened to this individual, and that
- the only reason this issue is still kept alive on the threads here is that the individual in question keeps bringing it up, as if to taunt, or deliberately dare, some demented person to take some ill-thought action...
Well, I think most rational, thinking people know just where to file THIS one! :roll:
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Deborah wrote:
My kids weren't taken away and I'm not a lesbian.
Where did this come from? Now I am calling you a lesbian? LOL ... What is going on with you? You sit quietly for months while everyone cleans up your mess and does all the work….. TSW’s fun of changing and deleting posts was an attempt(in my opinion) to place the problem squarely at the top of the priority list so that changes could be made to prevent admins from monitoring anon posts maybe (not sure) helping to prevent posts from being altered… and as everyone witnessed, the changes were forthcoming.
I thought it was funny when TSW changed my avatar (as well as Niles) deleted my posts because it was so obvious and the intent wasn’t an attempt to stand in the way of free speech. When you altering and deleting my posts it was done to change my message and mislead the readers as to what I was saying…. There is a big difference.
Why are you dragging this into an open forum again? Whats the point? It’s a dead issue and fornits has a new template now… do you think all this talk of changing, deleting posts is good and …..now you are posting peoples private messages on the open forum…… is this good for fornits? You had months to attempt to resolve this issue either privately with myself or openly on the forum when we were discussing it.
I don’t think you are being fair to Ginger, fornits or the other people who may be on the fence as to whether or not to get a user name… put your personal issues aside and lets get back on the topic of the Troubled Teen Industry or go back over to HLA where I don’t post very often.
...
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To tell you the truth, I wonder just how much SS, O5 et al's efforts may, indeed, end up backfiring on them. As if the FBI did not have more legitimate and potentially dangerous cases on its agenda! Do they really think an internet pissing match is going to warrant 10's of thousands of dollars in dedicated investigation? Oy! What sheer vanity and inflated self-perception!
The FBI absolutely takes death threats and posting of people's personal information as serious. There are cases in the courts, civil and criminal, dealing with this kind of things right now. Check out the FBI web site and see how they're defining "cyber-stalking". While you're at it, pursue the other information there that may serve to enlighten you vis a vis your belief in the untouchable status of fornits.
Considering that... - we're talking about someone who sought to advertise their whereabouts at great length, and that
- posting of said info on fornits was a mere repetition of said info posted by the individual in question elsewhere on the internet, and that
- said posting occurred quite some time ago, and still nothing has happened to this individual, and that
- the only reason this issue is still kept alive on the threads here is that the individual in question keeps bringing it up, as if to taunt, or deliberately dare, some demented person to take some ill-thought action...
Well, I think most rational, thinking people know just where to file THIS one! :roll:
You're talking about things you know nothing about. There has in fact been harassment on an on-going basis and the only reason I don't say more about it is because I've been asked not to while the case is being investigated. If, for example, calls were made or materials sent across state lines, why wouldn' t the FBI get involved?
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Now, now, Ottawa5... you seem mighty perplexed and verklempt!! Why don't you come on over here and sit on my lap and tell me alllllll about those evil lil ferniscators that are troublin' yer lil head sooo... They're such a viscous and dirty nasty lot, eh? Har-har-har!!! Lemme help you realize yer unique potential and encourage yer exploration of yer own unique destiny! Have I got a character development scheme... er, program... er, opportunity of a lifetime fer YOU!!!
Paternally yours,
Joseph W. Gauld, The Educator
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Granted. But there's only one promient Alan Newman involved in market research, which TheWho has claimed to be involved in to various people.
Zen implied that he had hard knowledge; I assumed that that's where Psy got his information. I was not expecting that someone as astute as Psy would actually believe what a pathological liar says about himself without corroborating the information first.
So yes. Psy was NOT thinking straight.
That's interesting, man. You recently said you didn't know anything about StrugglingTeens, now you sound like a vet and can remember who's been banned. I got banned...never was allowed back.
I remember because you cried like a school girl when you got caught lying to parents and misrepresenting yourself and they exposed you for it and banned you from posting there. Don’t play the victim. Struggling teens was set up for people to have an honest and open conversation about the industry… most parents, myself included, don’t appreciate your immature remarks like “How's that case of crotch rot your sister dosed you with?â€
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Granted. But there's only one promient Alan Newman involved in market research, which TheWho has claimed to be involved in to various people.
Zen implied that he had hard knowledge; I assumed that that's where Psy got his information. I was not expecting that someone as astute as Psy would actually believe what a pathological liar says about himself without corroborating the information first.
So yes. Psy was NOT thinking straight.
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What? How am I involved in this? What "hard knowledge" did I "imply" having? Psy and I have not discussed Alan Newman. Too much assumption going on. Don't make me sue you. :D
this one. (http://http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Jew) I'm going to rattle your fucking cage for this. You're going to be publicly exposed, I'm sick of you. I'll post your name and phone number and you can deal with that for a while...
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Granted. But there's only one promient Alan Newman involved in market research, which TheWho has claimed to be involved in to various people.
Zen implied that he had hard knowledge; I assumed that that's where Psy got his information. I was not expecting that someone as astute as Psy would actually believe what a pathological liar says about himself without corroborating the information first.
So yes. Psy was NOT thinking straight.
I never saw Fornits as a platform for posting pornography and hate sites (which I never saw, thankfully), and I've never seen Fornits as a platform for TheWho to whine like a bitch and attempt to force his personal prejudices and opinions on the other members of the forum. StrugglingTeens calls you, Who.
And it is over, and I'm not going to identify you personally on a public forum, but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
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Granted. But there's only one promient Alan Newman involved in market research, which TheWho has claimed to be involved in to various people.
Zen implied that he had hard knowledge; I assumed that that's where Psy got his information. I was not expecting that someone as astute as Psy would actually believe what a pathological liar says about himself without corroborating the information first.
So yes. Psy was NOT thinking straight.
I never saw Fornits as a platform for posting pornography and hate sites (which I never saw, thankfully), and I've never seen Fornits as a platform for TheWho to whine like a bitch and attempt to force his personal prejudices and opinions on the other members of the forum. StrugglingTeens calls you, Who.
And it is over, and I'm not going to identify you personally on a public forum, but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
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Zen, Imagine a 10 year old looking thru the internet and comes across fornits and sees the pornography photos and hate sight links and reads the justifications from people like yourself saying it isn’t porn or hatred at all it is “Satireâ€
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most parents, myself included, don’t appreciate your immature remarks ( Just for the record that remark was made against a post you assumed was mine and it was not, which is further evidence of your sweeping assumptions of other people)..
And it is over, and I'm not going to identify you personally on a public forum, but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
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well, in the end, as it's stopping here, no harm no foul, just a three's company style misunderstanding, except this time Jack was misidentified as something to akin to a nazi..hilarity ensued.
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TheWho: 1
Fornits: 0
Hahahahaha
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most parents, myself included, don’t appreciate your immature remarks ( Just for the record that remark was made against a post you assumed was mine and it was not, which is further evidence of your sweeping assumptions of other people)..
And it is over, and I'm not going to identify you personally on a public forum, but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
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well, in the end, as it's stopping here, no harm no foul, just a three's company style misunderstanding, except this time Jack was misidentified as something to akin to a nazi..hilarity ensued.
Immature...I was immature enough to question the decisions of the mature individuals who put my step-daughter in a program, and I was called immature for questioning the program. Being immature isn't so bad, considering the "mature" decisions I saw made by a self-proclaimed "pillar of the community", a lying attorney, and a very mature Judge who wouldn't admit to being wrong, even when faced with it. If those clowns are mature, let me remain a teenager forever.
Yeah, and if I had given the company's name out, they would have been swamped with calls that left them scratching their heads. I admit I was mistaken on the identity, but I never made the leap into posting sketchy information without "hard" dox. As one poster said, that would be "fucking myself".
What's interesting in the end is why people want to expose theWho. The financial connections he has to programs stir some strong emotions in survivors. It seems like he's thumbing his nose at everyone with his posts and posing as a program parent, which he could well be. No one knows, and I guess it should stay that way. We know enough about theWho, so why not go back to ignoring him and let him fiddle with his damn tables of raw data and post PRESENTED BY BAIN CAPITAL OR SOME OTHER TEEN TORTURE PROFITEER under all of his posts.
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Granted. But there's only one promient Alan Newman involved in market research, which TheWho has claimed to be involved in to various people.
Zen implied that he had hard knowledge; I assumed that that's where Psy got his information. I was not expecting that someone as astute as Psy would actually believe what a pathological liar says about himself without corroborating the information first.
So yes. Psy was NOT thinking straight.
That's interesting, man. You recently said you didn't know anything about StrugglingTeens, now you sound like a vet and can remember who's been banned. I got banned...never was allowed back.
I remember because you cried like a school girl when you got caught lying to parents and misrepresenting yourself and they exposed you for it and banned you from posting there. Don’t play the victim. Struggling teens was set up for people to have an honest and open conversation about the industry… most parents, myself included, don’t appreciate your immature remarks like “How's that case of crotch rot your sister dosed you with?â€
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God. Never mind. Read what I posted earlier: I had the wrong guy. I was never "positive". I never posted it. I don't post anyone's name on here, even if I know it.
Calling people "fucking tool" isn't getting you high marks for maturity.
You're really going to try to milk this for all it's worth, aren't you?
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but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
Nowwe know where Psy got his information. At least Psy has the balls to post it himself, Zen Agent hides in the shadows feeding misinformation to survivors. I suggest that no survivor ever trust this person again unless they want to be royally screwed.
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but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
Nowwe know where Psy got his information. At least Psy has the balls to post it himself, Zen Agent hides in the shadows feeding misinformation to survivors. I suggest that no survivor ever trust this person again unless they want to be royally screwed.
Why don't you ask Psy, instead of making an ass of yourself? He'll tell you it wasn't me.
Man, you're out to slash and burn, huh? Go for it. Who are you, anyway? When Psy confirms I never gave him any information about theWho, I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
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but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
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but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
Nowwe know where Psy got his information. At least Psy has the balls to post it himself, Zen Agent hides in the shadows feeding misinformation to survivors. I suggest that no survivor ever trust this person again unless they want to be royally screwed.
Why don't you ask Psy, instead of making an ass of yourself? He'll tell you it wasn't me.
Man, you're out to slash and burn, huh? Go for it. Who are you, anyway? When Psy confirms I never gave him any information about theWho, I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
More threats, is that all you know? Are you lying about this threat too? You are a fucking tool. Hahaha
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but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
Nowwe know where Psy got his information. At least Psy has the balls to post it himself, Zen Agent hides in the shadows feeding misinformation to survivors. I suggest that no survivor ever trust this person again unless they want to be royally screwed.
Why don't you ask Psy, instead of making an ass of yourself? He'll tell you it wasn't me.
Man, you're out to slash and burn, huh? Go for it. Who are you, anyway? When Psy confirms I never gave him any information about theWho, I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
More threats, is that all you know? Are you lying about this threat too? You are a fucking tool. Hahaha
Are you theWho? You have that HAL-style of writing, and the HaHaHa.
You got no balls, "nowhere" man.
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I'd like to point out that there is obviously more then one "nowheres" posting about this subject, most (at least me)are kids that are legitamately annoyed ...and there seems to be someone who may not be a survivor, just going on about this subject for ulterior motives. Not saying anything for certain....but...anyway,...
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I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
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So what have we learned today, children?
Don't THREATEN things, DO things, and make sure you're doing them to the RIGHT PERSON.
Class dismissed.
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I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
So what have we learned today, children?
Don't THREATEN things, DO things, and make sure you're doing them to the RIGHT PERSON.
Class dismissed.
And don't get proxies to take risks that you're too chicken shit to do yourself
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Deborah wrote: My kids weren't taken away and I'm not a lesbian.
Where did this come from? Now I am calling you a lesbian? LOL ... What is going on with you? You sit quietly for months while everyone cleans up your mess and does all the work….. TSW’s fun of changing and deleting posts was an attempt(in my opinion) to place the problem squarely at the top of the priority list so that changes could be made to prevent admins from monitoring anon posts maybe (not sure) helping to prevent posts from being altered… and as everyone witnessed, the changes were forthcoming.
A minor point -- TSW was not the one doing that (if it happened).
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When you altering and deleting my posts it was done to change my message and mislead the readers as to what I was saying…. There is a big difference.
No, it was just a few silly sayings at the end of your posts that said stuff like "I am an asshole" and things like that (if it happened).
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I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
So what have we learned today, children?
Don't THREATEN things, DO things, and make sure you're doing them to the RIGHT PERSON.
And don't use insincere moral justifications to get proxies to take risks that you're too chicken shit to take yourself becasue of possible consequences you're obviously very familiar with
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becasue of possible consequences you're obviously very familiar with
More threats from fornits, it's all they know.
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becasue of possible consequences you're obviously very familiar with
More threats from fornits, it's all they know.
It's all your MOM knows.
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I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
Zen is a liar, or he makes bogus threats, it's one or the other.
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TheWho is a WhoNigger; don't ignore the facts.
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I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
Zen is a liar, or he makes bogus threats, it's one or the other.
i hate to say it because i hate the monster thewho, but in this case i think its both.
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I wouldn't post your name, that would make me as ethically challenged as you. I never posted what I thought theWho's name and telephone number were for two reasons: it would be unethical, and there was reasonable doubt. Glad I didn't now.
I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
So what have we learned today, children?
Don't use insincere moral justifications to get proxies to take risks that you're too chicken shit to take yourself becasue of possible consequences you're obviously very familiar with
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I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.
I'm going to sue you for libel and defamation.
Don't use.. blah blah blah.... becasue of possible consequences you're obviously very familiar with
The list of threats keeps growing, keep going and let all that anger out, it doesn't bother me and I think you need to vent....
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:rofl: I'm flattered. To draw this much trolling is impressive. The threat to sue for defamation was facetious - I support freedom of speech, and I've already had the swords rattled at me by PV. I'm not sure which of the toxic twins you are. It gives me deep satisfaction to be such a threat you programees snarl and howl. I didn't lie, I had found an accounting firm in Newton, MA involved in acquisitions and only one guy fit the bill to be Whootie. I guess it isn't him, it's certainly not Alan Newman - I was looking in another field altogether.
I had the guy's name and number. TheWho was making suggestions about how to properly censor Fornits, and I threatened to post the crap. Didn't, for reasons already stated. Ask Psy, since you accuse me of being his "informant"
You're seeing conspiracies where there aren't any, perhaps it is time for you to sit back and focus on yourself. You will progress past the group-think and the others will follow, be strong. Ha Ha Ha.
Ugh...You're probably a big David Icke fan...
Whatever, though. What are you gonna do, send me to a program?
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And don't use insincere moral justifications to get proxies to take risks that you're too chicken shit to take yourself becasue of possible consequences you're obviously very familiar with
I'm sorry...from now on I'll be a brave anon like yourself.
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:rofl: I'm flattered. .
Don’t flatter yourself. Not everyone's a troll
And don't use insincere moral justifications to get proxies to take risks that you're too chicken shit to take yourself becasue of possible consequences you're obviously very familiar with
I'm sorry...from now on I'll be a brave anon like yourself.
No cowardly anons that did ,or did not, contact this Newman guy, as your proxy, (or perhaps you were lying), give bullshit rationales why it’s morally wrong to sign in, while getting others to do so, in their stead, when the real reason is that they’re scared. Or, did you want to give unnamed anon the who’s specifics for a Romantic union? Your insincere and exploitative misuse of morality is sleazy and exasperating, and bites people (not you though, of course) in the ass.
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Niles wrote: Protip.
Fornits is for whatever the fuck the present posters make it. Including speaking out of your ass, which TheWho is SOOooooo good at.
I agree it is an open forum.. arguing, speaking your views, speaking out of your ass, yes, dont forget your favorite Niles.. posting porn and links to hate sites (anti black and anti Jewish propaganda). Lets not be shy and leave out your contributions here.
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Fornits is indeed an open forum, which means there will always be people like theWho to exploit it. Mr. Who, you seem to be launching a one man Jihad on this forum. You are certainly no martyr. The group-think is not the issue here, it is your desire to subvert and distort for financial reasons, by your own admission you have ties to the industry.
Are you sure the posts you refer to were posted by Niles? The ones I saw were anonymous. You are not omniscient, nor do you have admin status here. Your speculation reveals your hostility. It's more likely you posted the offensive material yourself, Mr. Who, to discredit a group you obviously despise for interfering with your income. Until you offer proof otherwise, we could follow your example and hold you responsible, evidence be damned.
As for the attempt to expose Mr. Who's identity and business - it was a truly shameful effort on Fornits' part. I expected more from this group. Let me offer this advice:
Re-double your efforts and work as a team, not individually chasing clues. Psy thinks it's one gentleman, Zen Agent focuses on another - combine your talents for research and work together. Don't post anything about what your research turns up - if you determine Mr. Who has violated any codes of his profession or is engaging in illegal business practices, report him to the proper authorities and let them deal with him. If there's a story, you can break it here first after he's caught.
Keep looking. Mr. Who is using Fornits sense of fair play and openness against the group in an attempt to divide and conquer. All survivors of programs know the industry's position on fair, ethical treatment and honesty - they're on the level of the Mafia in their financial dealings and will go to any lengths to maintain their interests - just ask Mr. Who.
Do what you can to engage the public, as well. There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program. Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program. The keyword is business, and it's crucial to keep the teen industry "under the radar" of public attention for these abusive programs to continue unimpeded by oversight.
The more "trolls" you see on the forum is an indication of the fear and anxiety the industry is feeling. Regardless of how you view the GAO investigation and the effectiveness of Federal regulation of the industry, the hearings are putting abusive programs and sham facades like NATSAP under a spotlight, and they do not want the attention.
Another display of slack-jawed bewilderment from Jan Moss at the next GAO hearing will certainly go a long way in getting bipartisan support of some real regulation. It's a start, and Fornits is a source of invaluable information to investigators.
Stick together. Keep pushing forward and don't get dragged into the industry's attempts to slow your momentum. Mr. Who and his associates don't have anything positive to add to what you're trying to achieve, they would like to present as negative an element as possible. The industry can't continue if the public becomes well-informed, protecting children is a basic instinct people share.
Most people. Not Mr. Who
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Holy shit. Someone should track down the previous poster and give him some kind of medal.
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Niles wrote: Protip.
Fornits is for whatever the fuck the present posters make it. Including speaking out of your ass, which TheWho is SOOooooo good at.
I agree it is an open forum.. arguing, speaking your views, speaking out of your ass, yes, dont forget your favorite Niles.. posting porn and links to hate sites (anti black and anti Jewish propaganda). Lets not be shy and leave out your contributions here.
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Fornits is indeed an open forum, which means there will always be people like theWho to exploit it. Mr. Who, you seem to be launching a one man Jihad on this forum. You are certainly no martyr. The group-think is not the issue here, it is your desire to subvert and distort for financial reasons, by your own admission you have ties to the industry.
Are you sure the posts you refer to were posted by Niles? The ones I saw were anonymous. You are not omniscient, nor do you have admin status here. Your speculation reveals your hostility. It's more likely you posted the offensive material yourself, Mr. Who, to discredit a group you obviously despise for interfering with your income. Until you offer proof otherwise, we could follow your example and hold you responsible, evidence be damned.
As for the attempt to expose Mr. Who's identity and business - it was a truly shameful effort on Fornits' part. I expected more from this group. Let me offer this advice:
Re-double your efforts and work as a team, not individually chasing clues. Psy thinks it's one gentleman, Zen Agent focuses on another - combine your talents for research and work together. Don't post anything about what your research turns up - if you determine Mr. Who has violated any codes of his profession or is engaging in illegal business practices, report him to the proper authorities and let them deal with him. If there's a story, you can break it here first after he's caught.
Keep looking. Mr. Who is using Fornits sense of fair play and openness against the group in an attempt to divide and conquer. All survivors of programs know the industry's position on fair, ethical treatment and honesty - they're on the level of the Mafia in their financial dealings and will go to any lengths to maintain their interests - just ask Mr. Who.
Do what you can to engage the public, as well. There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program. Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program. The keyword is business, and it's crucial to keep the teen industry "under the radar" of public attention for these abusive programs to continue unimpeded by oversight.
The more "trolls" you see on the forum is an indication of the fear and anxiety the industry is feeling. Regardless of how you view the GAO investigation and the effectiveness of Federal regulation of the industry, the hearings are putting abusive programs and sham facades like NATSAP under a spotlight, and they do not want the attention.
Another display of slack-jawed bewilderment from Jan Moss at the next GAO hearing will certainly go a long way in getting bipartisan support of some real regulation. It's a start, and Fornits is a source of invaluable information to investigators.
Stick together. Keep pushing forward and don't get dragged into the industry's attempts to slow your momentum. Mr. Who and his associates don't have anything positive to add to what you're trying to achieve, they would like to present as negative an element as possible. The industry can't continue if the public becomes well-informed, protecting children is a basic instinct people share.
Most people. Not Mr. Who
this would make a good sticky
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Was that a PM that was quoted or is it posted somewhere on the forum? Or did the poster quote him/herself?
Never mind. I found it.
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There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program. Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program.
Stick together.
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Um, by “vicious comments against people who were not in torture chambersâ€
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There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program. Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program.
Stick together.
Um, by “vicious comments against people who were not in torture chambersâ€
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For the last time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.
To top it off.. even if they were still around...
WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...
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There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program. Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program.
Stick together.
Um, by “vicious comments against people who were not in torture chambersâ€
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For the last time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.
To top it off.. even if they were still around...
WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...
Yeah, I read that, Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway. Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make theWho and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.
Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them. I never expected much from this "private army" Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.
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For the last time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.
To top it off.. even if they were still around...
WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...
Yeah, I read that, Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway. Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make theWho and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.
Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them. I never expected much from this "private army" Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.
Amen.
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For the last time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.
To top it off.. even if they were still around...
WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...
Yeah, I read that, Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway. Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make theWho and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.
Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them. I never expected much from this "private army" Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.
Hey there. Is this red lion by any chance? No need to answer if you'd rather not, I just had a hunch is all. When I was an admin, I would do the things that you mentioned. I know I am not the only one either (don't wanna take all the credit).
For instance, I would cite when Who was talking to himself by making an anon post saying "^^^ The Who ^^^" or something like that in attempt to cut through some of the heinous shit I saw going on right under my nose here on the TTI forum. I would also edit out the funtionally damaging shit that Niles would post, despite its comic value (sorry Niles, I just wanted to be able to read the thread.)
I was no one's 'private army' but my own; I participated as a moderator....
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For the last time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.
To top it off.. even if they were still around...
WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...
Yeah, I read that, Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway. Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make theWho and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.
Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them. I never expected much from this "private army" Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.
Hey there. Is this red lion by any chance? No need to answer if you'd rather not, I just had a hunch is all. When I was an admin, I would do the things that you mentioned. I know I am not the only one either (don't wanna take all the credit).
For instance, I would cite when Who was talking to himself by making an anon post saying "^^^ The Who ^^^" or something like that in attempt to cut through some of the heinous shit I saw going on right under my nose here on the TTI forum. I would also edit out the funtionally damaging shit that Niles would post, despite its comic value (sorry Niles, I just wanted to be able to read the thread.)
I was no one's 'private army' but my own; I participated as a moderator....
I think randomly assigning unique names to each I.P. would help alleviate some of this problem also... this would at least help during the couse of a typical conversation and help to identify who is saying what.....this was being discussed in "web forum hosting".
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Hey there. Is this red lion by any chance? No need to answer if you'd rather not, I just had a hunch is all. When I was an admin, I would do the things that you mentioned. I know I am not the only one either (don't wanna take all the credit).
For instance, I would cite when Who was talking to himself by making an anon post saying "^^^ The Who ^^^" or something like that in attempt to cut through some of the heinous shit I saw going on right under my nose here on the TTI forum. I would also edit out the funtionally damaging shit that Niles would post, despite its comic value (sorry Niles, I just wanted to be able to read the thread.)
I was no one's 'private army' but my own; I participated as a moderator....
Nope, not me. But i do post anon sometimes, when all the subterfuge starts to get to me - I have no clue who you are though "xadmin" - is this psy? Anyway, it's disheartening to see survivors continually attacked on here - but I would also expect as much from the opposing side - seeing how invested they are financially and all.
I'm mostly baffled, as to why someone like Che has come to his defense. Kinda sad actually. It's apparently OK to express disappointment in psy's decision to post "alan newman" when in fact, this is the info TheWho gave in the first place. Seems to me, the first problem is TheWho's blatant lying and impersonation of someone else. Why post it at all, except to create trouble. Disingenious at best. TheWho is a malignant character here, & we all know why he is here.
The question is what to do? I would like to start an google group - private - to address these issues. It does no one any good to fight Who, - he thrives on the dissension, discord and chaos. If anyone is interested, please PM me.
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People deal with him because they WANT to.
There are several forums that nobody posts on (e.g. Struggling People, Tortured Kids) which wouldn't tolerate his existence.
But people love this place for some godforsaken reason.
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The question is what to do? I would like to start an google group - private - to address these issues. It does no one any good to fight Who, - he thrives on the dissension, discord and chaos. If anyone is interested, please PM me.
Thanks, I think I will.
Also, exactly how did Che come to Who's defense? I'm curious.
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Go back and read the archives.
I'm not doing this work for you - if you are even an "xadmin" - unless I get a PM from you, I am just going to assume you are TheWho coming here to create more bs.
We'll just have to see.
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Go back and read the archives.
I'm not doing this work for you - if you are even an "xadmin" - unless I get a PM from you, I am just going to assume you are TheWho coming here to create more bs.
We'll just have to see.
I ain't going back. I just wanted to hear from you how you thought he came to Who's defense. You must be referring to Che saying that TheWho's personal info shouldn't be posted on here -- now while I would frown on this sort of thing in most cases, I would dare to make an EXCEPTION in the case of TheWho!! I say fuck the rules and bust out on that annoying motherfucker! Call that bitch out!! THEY do it, why the fuck can't we? Fuck this "turning the other cheek" bullshit, I agree. That's pussy shit, imo. ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR. It's funny how survivors will worry about stepping on these programmies' toes, isn't it.. like we fucking OWE them fair treatment or something. :roll:
How fucking ridiculous. Fornits is not a nation that has to adhere to certain statutes and ideals; it a a fucking MESSAGE BOARD for fuck's sake!! Gimme back my bullets!!! AAAAIIIIIIYYYYEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
What makes you say THAT? The hell it is, douche.
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I'm assuming CCMgirl, TheWho or some staffer who is here for less than honorable reasons.
Don't respond, if it's some tried and true poster, I'll get a PM - if not, then we know it's a crock of bs.
I'm not playing.
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That was ME, the person you were just talking to. You're a bit too paranoid for your own good sometimes, no offense. You read in a bit too much, I noticed this from time to time as an admin. I'd LOVE to just say who I am, but don't wanna log in. Shit on it, I'll just PM you.
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That was ME, the person you were just talking to. You're a bit too paranoid for your own good sometimes, no offense. You read in a bit too much, I noticed this from time to time as an admin. I'd LOVE to just say who I am, but don't wanna log in. Shit on it, I'll just PM you.
PS- The fucking board is slow as shit, what's going on. Sorry for the cussing, but it's damn frustrating. Wtf, can't be THAT much traffic...
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I ain't going back. I just wanted to hear from you how you thought he came to Who's defense. You must be referring to Che saying that TheWho's personal info shouldn't be posted on here [etc] -- now while I would frown on that sort of thing in most cases, I would dare to make an EXCEPTION in the case of TheWho!! I say fuck the rules and bust out on that annoying motherfucker! Call that bitch out!! THEY do it, why the fuck can't we? Fuck this "turning the other cheek" bullshit, I agree. That's pussy shit, imo. ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR. It's funny how survivors will worry about stepping on these programmies' toes, isn't it.. like we fucking OWE them fair treatment or something. :roll:
How fucking ridiculous. Fornits is not a nation that has to adhere to certain statutes and ideals; it a a fucking MESSAGE BOARD for fuck's sake!! Gimme back my bullets!!! AAAAIIIIIIYYYYEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
You guys have got to get better info! You keep accusing me of posting ANON, and it's not me. If I want to post, I log in, and do it.
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
You guys have got to get better info! You keep accusing me of posting ANON, and it's not me. If I want to post, I log in, and do it.
They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
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They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
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Why are you pretending/lying about posting anonymously Who???? This just goes to show that you are a Fucking Liar!!!!![/color]
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They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
They have already proved that you sign in as ANON, TheWho. Check out the HLA forum where you have been warned and now you are tagged with a "cat in the hat" - you are liar, first and foremost.
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They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
They have already proved that you sign in as ANON, TheWho. Check out the HLA forum where you have been warned and now you are tagged with a "cat in the hat" - you are liar, first and foremost.
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
You guys have got to get better info! You keep accusing me of posting ANON, and it's not me. If I want to post, I log in, and do it.
They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
It's good to know I am not the only one they do it to! Hey, I had a great time the other night btw! What are the plans for today?
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Asinus asinum fricat ad nauseum.
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They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
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Why are you pretending/lying about posting anonymously Who???? This just goes to show that you are a Fucking Liar!!!!![/color]
Ha,Ha,Ha, Of course I do (I believe psy counted 300 posts that were Anon, since I have been here)... remember I liked being Anon (thats where the name Alan Newmen of newton came from)... my message to CCM was that people point out posts all the time and claim they are mine when they are not... it happens to me all the time
There is nothing wrong with posting as a guest.....seems you enjoy it also dont you? Guest.
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Who, You lie about posting as guest, big difference.
Whether or not you remain,
whether or not you continue to post lies,
whether or not you continue to cause chaos -
no matter, people will be able (sooner or later) to see past all the bs & see the truth of abuse for what it is.
Defend all you want - the truth be here long after you are gone, however, as long as that takes.
Have a magical day!
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
You guys have got to get better info! You keep accusing me of posting ANON, and it's not me. If I want to post, I log in, and do it.
They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
It's good to know I am not the only one they do it to! Hey, I had a great time the other night btw! What are the plans for today?
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If the weather holds I'd like to see if Pierre can get "Lady of the C" ready for her maiden voyage this afternoon, maybe an evening cruise... I was going to surprise you. We will have to have food brought in because (remember) Millie is afraid of the water and no one from here is available tonight, (I will work on getting someone st up long term) I am still at the club and waiting for his call....... let me know if its good for you.
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Who, You lie about posting as guest, big difference.
Whether or not you remain,
whether or not you continue to post lies,
whether or not you continue to cause chaos -
no matter, people will be able (sooner or later) to see past all the bs & see the truth of abuse for what it is.
Defend all you want - the truth be here long after you are gone, however, as long as that takes.
Have a magical day!
Look, you must be new here.....Anon and Guest mean the same thing... when I said I post Anon it means I post as a guest. I dont think there is a person on here that doesn know I post as a guest... psy already posted the number of posts as TheWho and the number Anon that i have done... its public knowledge.
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ah yes Who, contradicting yourself once again -
TheWho implies he doesn't post anon -
They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
I counter with -
Who, You lie about posting as guest, big difference.
Whether or not you remain,
whether or not you continue to post lies,
whether or not you continue to cause chaos -
no matter, people will be able (sooner or later) to see past all the bs & see the truth of abuse for what it is.
Defend all you want - the truth be here long after you are gone, however, as long as that takes.
Have a magical day!
You post as guest/anon frequently. End of story.
Don't sidle up to CCM as she denies posting as anon/guest, empathizing with her plight - as if it occurs to you. Because you sign in as guest/anon - whether people guess correctly 100% of the time is moot. Chances are, if it's odious and belligerent, it's you.
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
You guys have got to get better info! You keep accusing me of posting ANON, and it's not me. If I want to post, I log in, and do it.
They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
It's good to know I am not the only one they do it to! Hey, I had a great time the other night btw! What are the plans for today?
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If the weather holds I'd like to see if Pierre can get "Lady of the C" ready for her maiden voyage this afternoon, maybe an evening cruise... I was going to surprise you. We will have to have food brought in because (remember) Millie is afraid of the water and no one from here is available tonight, (I will work on getting someone st up long term) I am still at the club and waiting for his call....... let me know if its good for you.
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the two of you deserve each other, however it makes me wanna puke.
(http://http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n49/tripleh2000/pukehump.gif)
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
You guys have got to get better info! You keep accusing me of posting ANON, and it's not me. If I want to post, I log in, and do it.
They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
It's good to know I am not the only one they do it to! Hey, I had a great time the other night btw! What are the plans for today?
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If the weather holds I'd like to see if Pierre can get "Lady of the C" ready for her maiden voyage this afternoon, maybe an evening cruise... I was going to surprise you. We will have to have food brought in because (remember) Millie is afraid of the water and no one from here is available tonight, (I will work on getting someone st up long term) I am still at the club and waiting for his call....... let me know if its good for you.
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You're so sweet, and such a romantic. Why do these people on Fornits hate you so much? I am very excited, what should I bring to wear? I will go ahead and start looking for help that can handle the land, as well as the water. You don't have to do that darling. You already do so much.
I do want to keep Millie around though. She is so good with the little one, and her cooking is pretty darn fabulous too. I'm sitting here going over the menu with the caterer for the holiday party we are holding.
Is there anyone we have forgotten to invite? Please let me know if there is. Right now, the guest count is at 186. We have room for 200. Let me know sweetie, ASAP.
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You two need to get a room at the hourly rate no-tell motel. Don't forget to bring your strap-on marital aid, CCM.
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ah yes Who, contradicting yourself once again -
TheWho implies he doesn't post anon -
They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
I counter with -
Who, You lie about posting as guest, big difference.
Whether or not you remain,
whether or not you continue to post lies,
whether or not you continue to cause chaos -
no matter, people will be able (sooner or later) to see past all the bs & see the truth of abuse for what it is.
Defend all you want - the truth be here long after you are gone, however, as long as that takes.
Have a magical day!
You post as guest/anon frequently. End of story.
Don't sidle up to CCM as she denies posting as anon/guest, empathizing with her plight - as if it occurs to you. Because you sign in as guest/anon - whether people guess correctly 100% of the time is moot. Chances are, if it's odious and belligerent, it's you.
Must be a full moon, folks!!...one more time Guest means the same as Anon... "I post as a guest" everybody knows it (except you)... what people dont know is which guest posts are mine and which are not... just like everyone else. So posts which people dont like are sometimes attributed to me (in error). Statistically no one could guess the guest posts (of another) with any degree of accuracy unless there is a distinct writing style which cannot be hidden or the poster doesnt care to hide.
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I'm sitting here going over the menu with the caterer for the holiday party we are holding. I have decided on Spam
(http://http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u225/bigmamallama/spam.jpg)
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Must be a full moon, folks!!...one more time Guest means the same as Anon... "I post as a guest" everybody knows it (except you)... what people dont know is which guest posts are mine and which are not... just like everyone else. So posts which people dont like are sometimes attributed to me (in error). Statistically no one could guess the guest posts (of another) with any degree of accuracy unless there is a distinct writing style which cannot be hidden or the poster doesnt care to hide.
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Who, no one is trying to discredit you, you take care of that yourself. We want to expose you.
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
You guys have got to get better info! You keep accusing me of posting ANON, and it's not me. If I want to post, I log in, and do it.
They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
It's good to know I am not the only one they do it to! Hey, I had a great time the other night btw! What are the plans for today?
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If the weather holds I'd like to see if Pierre can get "Lady of the C" ready for her maiden voyage this afternoon, maybe an evening cruise... I was going to surprise you. We will have to have food brought in because (remember) Millie is afraid of the water and no one from here is available tonight, (I will work on getting someone st up long term) I am still at the club and waiting for his call....... let me know if its good for you.
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You're so sweet, and such a romantic. Why do these people on Fornits hate you so much? I am very excited, what should I bring to wear? I will go ahead and start looking for help that can handle the land, as well as the water. You don't have to do that darling. You already do so much.
I do want to keep Millie around though. She is so good with the little one, and her cooking is pretty darn fabulous too. I'm sitting here going over the menu with the caterer for the holiday party we are holding.
Is there anyone we have forgotten to invite? Please let me know if there is. Right now, the guest count is at 186. We have room for 200. Let me know sweetie, ASAP.
Hmmm. 14 more people.. Ill give it some thought.. Thanks
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I'm sitting here going over the menu with the caterer for the holiday party we are holding. I have decided on Spam
(http://http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u225/bigmamallama/spam.jpg)
No Spam for the party! But, do you remember Who that B & B we stayed in that fried it up? I was actually surprised how good it was.
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I'm just keeping a word doc. of all his stuff. He writes contradicting things on threads and it gets buried. maybe it's a tactic, maybe just his stupidity, who knows?
But whatever, no matter - what he does, changes nothing, especially the truth about abuse.
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& I like how he and CCM can glibly carry on a conversation in the midst of a serious discussion - another childish, immature tactic - but thanks for showing your true colors, TheWho and CCM. I'm sure you come across as real bastions of authority with the little charade you got going.
Kudos!
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I'm sitting here going over the menu with the caterer for the holiday party we are holding. I have decided on Spam
(http://http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u225/bigmamallama/spam.jpg)
No Spam for the party! But, do you remember Who that B & B we stayed in that fried it up? I was actually surprised how good it was.
Remember when they served it and we laughed so hard and the other guests just stared at us.... but it was sliced really thin and I think they did fry it.. it wasnt bad with the quail eggs.
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I'm just keeping a word doc. of all his stuff. He writes contradicting things on threads and it gets buried. maybe it's a tactic, maybe just his stupidity, who knows?
But whatever, no matter - what he does, changes nothing, especially the truth about abuse.
You keep a word doc. on all of his stuff? Is that before, or after his posts have been altered? Just curious?!!! Since we know for a fact that happens around here.
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They aren't altered - but yes, i keep a word doc. For my legal arsenal of parents who will/have (presetn and future) over/about TheWho.
I'd keep a word doc. about you too, but your posting as inconsequential. Annoying and trite but inconsequential.
Anyhoo, adios.
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Without their own little reality show on Fornits, what would these two fugly posters, CCM and The WHo do with themselves all day/night? Hope they are at least paying for the privilege of acting out on Fornits. $10.00 per post sounds good to me! (U.S. Dollars, please)
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You want to end the viciousness? CCM girl posts the vilest shit as an anon, then denies it. She's a victim as CCM girl, an attacker of other survivors as an anon. She's as abusive as the worst goon program staffer. She threatens, provokes as CCM girl, then hides behind that abrasive anon persona. She's also an extreme liar. When Who desires to unleash his obscene, immature personality, he does it as an anon.
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Oh? You’re sure the mean anons are ccm girl? Just like about the true identity of the who? I posted about how damaged I was, and was immediately insulted, and I was again when I tried to be supportive of someone talking about being raped-by a regular. And how do you know the mean anons aren’t the brilliant satirists calling who a nigger?
Yeah, I read that, Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway. Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make the Who and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.
Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them. I never expected much from this "private army" Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.
That's not vicious, and unnecessary? I’m gonna assume that wasn’t ccm girl who posted that.
And, Scarlet Chicklett discontinued Mod use. So, technically, you're calling her a failed, drunken army, who hypocritically lets Who drive posters away The truth is it’s not the who breaking solidarity. Some people, like zenagent, are just royal assholes, some are angry, and some are just bat shit insane, and that’s part of the infighting explanation. Then there are other splits. How bout the cafety issue? Some people think that animosity for cafety stems from unbelievably petty shit, personality failings, and a weird need to dominate, some think that cafety is pure evil. And, how about Rep. Miller? And, than there’s astart. They all have secret agendas. Don’t you know the people involved with them- volenteering their time-are whores?
And now of course it’s the fornits drunken failing moderators who could end it all if only THEY DO WHAT YOU SAY ….And then niceness would reign? Like I said, look to yourself, if you want to change how survivors are treated, or the infighting
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Just so everybody knows, ZenAgent was NOT my "deep throat". It was several other people who shall not be named but remembered TheWho claiming to be Alan Newman.
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Wait a minute, you guys got it all wrong - it's obvious who these two are - Alonzo Woodbury and Jen. You know Alonzo was filled with bloodlust after that coup revealed the Iron Fist used to control ST's forum.
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TheWho has even posted that he claimed to be Alan Newman - I have the posts to prove it.
Whether he thought he was being clever or not - it doesn't matter - he said he was, people believed him. Sounds like he was impersonating someone else - kinda like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
Both are illegal.
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Previous post is CCM Girl.
You guys have got to get better info! You keep accusing me of posting ANON, and it's not me. If I want to post, I log in, and do it.
They are just guessing, CCM, they do it to me all the time.
It's good to know I am not the only one they do it to! Hey, I had a great time the other night btw! What are the plans for today?
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If the weather holds I'd like to see if Pierre can get "Lady of the C" ready for her maiden voyage this afternoon, maybe an evening cruise... I was going to surprise you. We will have to have food brought in because (remember) Millie is afraid of the water and no one from here is available tonight, (I will work on getting someone st up long term) I am still at the club and waiting for his call....... let me know if its good for you.
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You're so sweet, and such a romantic. Why do these people on Fornits hate you so much? I am very excited, what should I bring to wear? I will go ahead and start looking for help that can handle the land, as well as the water. You don't have to do that darling. You already do so much.
I do want to keep Millie around though. She is so good with the little one, and her cooking is pretty darn fabulous too. I'm sitting here going over the menu with the caterer for the holiday party we are holding.
Is there anyone we have forgotten to invite? Please let me know if there is. Right now, the guest count is at 186. We have room for 200. Let me know sweetie, ASAP.
Hmmm. 14 more people.. Ill give it some thought.. Thanks
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Excuse me, you assholes, but is this some encoded message to Psy? Because it certainly has nothing to do with the topic. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot, CCM is a survivor. Sorry, victim. Continue being an asshole.
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Does CCM stand for Crack Cocaine Monster?
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It means Can't Control Me MOFO!!!!!!!
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It means Can't Control Me MOFO!!!!!!!
Oh, aren't you sweet? That's just too cute. You're a little firecracker, aren't you, honey? Isn't that adorable... Hey - you wanna buy a monkey?
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what the hell?
these two need to be put on "BANS".
what would their spouses think?
anyone else sick of every thread ending up being about these two?
it's getting ridiculous.
can't the thread be split when they start derailing?
them going on with their sexual fantasies mid thread may fall under free speech but its annoying and distracts, as intended.
notice that neither ever starts a thread, they only arrive to "SPAM" them.
oh yeh, Who did start one recently.... something unrelated to the TTI, like what was it, How to get fired, or fire someone, or some kind of bullshit.
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what the hell?
these two need to be put on "BANS".
what would their spouses think?
anyone else sick of every thread ending up being about these two?
it's getting ridiculous.
can't the thread be split when they start derailing?
them going on with their sexual fantasies mid thread may fall under free speech but its annoying and distracts, as intended.
notice that neither ever starts a thread, they only arrive to "SPAM" them.
oh yeh, Who did start one recently.... something unrelated to the TTI, like what was it, How to get fired, or fire someone, or some kind of bullshit.
I think the one you are thinking of is called :
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what the hell?
these two need to be put on "BANS".
what would their spouses think?
anyone else sick of every thread ending up being about these two?
it's getting ridiculous.
can't the thread be split when they start derailing?
them going on with their sexual fantasies mid thread may fall under free speech but its annoying and distracts, as intended.
notice that neither ever starts a thread, they only arrive to "SPAM" them.
oh yeh, Who did start one recently.... something unrelated to the TTI, like what was it, How to get fired, or fire someone, or some kind of bullshit.
We should be put on BANS?????? Oh come on, get real. Why do you have to be so serious all the time! Are you saying the same thing when some of our regular posters are posting pornography? Or is that okay with you?
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what the hell?
these two need to be put on "BANS".
what would their spouses think?
anyone else sick of every thread ending up being about these two?
it's getting ridiculous.
can't the thread be split when they start derailing?
them going on with their sexual fantasies mid thread may fall under free speech but its annoying and distracts, as intended.
notice that neither ever starts a thread, they only arrive to "SPAM" them.
oh yeh, Who did start one recently.... something unrelated to the TTI, like what was it, How to get fired, or fire someone, or some kind of bullshit.
Well shit, how did we miss that? It says "A Voice From Nowhere" under author. You dumbass.
I think the one you are thinking of is called :
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what the hell?
these two need to be put on "BANS".
what would their spouses think?
anyone else sick of every thread ending up being about these two?
it's getting ridiculous.
can't the thread be split when they start derailing?
them going on with their sexual fantasies mid thread may fall under free speech but its annoying and distracts, as intended.
notice that neither ever starts a thread, they only arrive to "SPAM" them.
oh yeh, Who did start one recently.... something unrelated to the TTI, like what was it, How to get fired, or fire someone, or some kind of bullshit.
We should be put on BANS?????? Oh come on, get real. Why do you have to be so serious all the time! Are you saying the same thing when some of our regular posters are posting pornography? Or is that okay with you?
What's this "our" shit? There's Fornits, and there's you and the who. Don't play dumb, you know thewho posted the porn.
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TheWho wrote (lied, as per the usual)
Prior to being banned, my last post in the HLA forum was May 13th, 2007
I was Banned on June 4th, 2007 I believe and came back about 6 weeks later (I believe)
Which would put us in mid July…
I didn’t post in the HLA forum again until September 10, 2007… I made 8 posts as I engaged in one conversation and have not posted there since…
So I don’t think of this as going right back to posting in the HLA forum or purposely aggravating Deborah.
Deborah said
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For the Record
Up until Who was banned he stalked the HLA forum daily.
He was banned on 1 June
http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=263958#263958
Which I had nothing to do with
http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=263958#263958
http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=263957#263957
http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=263972#263972
Two months of peace on the forum was disturbed when he started derailing threads in HLA forum on or around 1 Aug
18 in this thread
http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22441
40 in this one
http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=277799#277799
5 in this one
http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=273814#273814
Unbanned on 23 Aug and starts his organized plan to slander regulars and create division.
http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=278596#278596
Just to set the facts straight - TheWho is a liar.
He says he doesn't post and then is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt - to indeed, have posted while he was banned.
Anyway, don't waste your time with this guy. I'm just re-posting the facts.
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I'm just keeping a word doc. of all his stuff. He writes contradicting things on threads and it gets buried. maybe it's a tactic, maybe just his stupidity, who knows?
But whatever, no matter - what he does, changes nothing, especially the truth about abuse.
Goddam................... what a SHAME that people feel like they need to do things like this to keep track of this asshole. Bring back the admins who were using guerilla warfare on him (if this was happening). I say fuck with him in much the same way a kid gets fucked with in a program! Edit his posts and then call him a liar! Let him experience (a watered-down, cyber-version of) the sort of bullshit that kids in tough love programs have to contend with all the time.
Why are we so concerned with "fairness" when it come to this asshole?? :flame:
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Goddam................... what a SHAME that people feel like they need to do things like this to keep track of this asshole. Bring back the admins who were using guerilla warfare on him (if this was happening). I say fuck with him in much the same way a kid gets fucked with in a program! Edit his posts and then call him a liar! Let him experience (a watered-down, cyber-version of) the sort of bullshit that kids in tough love programs have to contend with all the time.
Why are we so concerned with "fairness" when it come to this asshole??
seriously, how old are you? this is bigger than fornits - if you stop posting 'kill thewho" we could sue him legally. Play your cards right. stop posting this shit - getting him IRL, with a real lawsuit - for things he posts, the advice he gives parents will come back to haunt him.
This isn't anon posting - it has consequences for the suffering and death of countless ex-program kids.
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I'm just keeping a word doc. of all his stuff.
You really need to get a life!!!!!!!
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You really need to get a life!!!!!!!
Um, this means that the troll who wrote this is just a little bit scared - no word from Who or CCM.
Could be coincidence, but it's prolly not.
Be on notice, trolls - I am not fooling with you.
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TheWho has even posted that he claimed to be Alan Newman - I have the posts to prove it.
Whether he thought he was being clever or not - it doesn't matter - he said he was, people believed him. Sounds like he was impersonating someone else - kinda like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
Both are illegal.
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Goddam................... what a SHAME that people feel like they need to do things like this to keep track of this asshole. Bring back the admins who were using guerilla warfare on him (if this was happening). I say fuck with him in much the same way a kid gets fucked with in a program! Edit his posts and then call him a liar! Let him experience (a watered-down, cyber-version of) the sort of bullshit that kids in tough love programs have to contend with all the time.
Why are we so concerned with "fairness" when it come to this asshole??
seriously, how old are you? this is bigger than fornits - if you stop posting 'kill thewho" we could sue him legally. Play your cards right. stop posting this shit - getting him IRL, with a real lawsuit - for things he posts, the advice he gives parents will come back to haunt him.
This isn't anon posting - it has consequences for the suffering and death of countless ex-program kids.
I didn't post "kill thewho," I guess a moderator must have added it. ::seg:: :rofl: ::both:: ::bwahaha:: ::bwahaha2::
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Goddam................... what a SHAME that people feel like they need to do things like this to keep track of this asshole. Bring back the admins who were using guerilla warfare on him (if this was happening). I say fuck with him in much the same way a kid gets fucked with in a program! Edit his posts and then call him a liar! Let him experience (a watered-down, cyber-version of) the sort of bullshit that kids in tough love programs have to contend with all the time.
Why are we so concerned with "fairness" when it come to this asshole??
seriously, how old are you? this is bigger than fornits - if you stop posting 'kill thewho" we could sue him legally. Play your cards right. stop posting this shit - getting him IRL, with a real lawsuit - for things he posts, the advice he gives parents will come back to haunt him.
This isn't anon posting - it has consequences for the suffering and death of countless ex-program kids.
I didn't post "kill thewho," I guess a moderator must have added it. ::seg:: :rofl: ::both:: ::bwahaha:: ::bwahaha2::
..me again...just wanted to add that I agree that people should proceed with any actionable suits against him and these other program-pushers on here..why not..but do you seriously think a post that says kill thewho is any big deal? It was not intended as a serious command or anything, merely a (potentially figurative, that could've occurred to you, too) suggestion, my good chap.
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We should be put on BANS?????? Oh come on, get real. Why do you have to be so serious all the time! Are you saying the same thing when some of our regular posters are posting pornography? Or is that okay with you?
CCM I bet you lykdid that shit,,, ju know? I know you watched that shit, hina.. Lissen, I slap to my ASS 'n' shit....ooooh!!
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..me again...just wanted to add that I agree that people should proceed with any actionable suits against him and these other program-pushers on here..why not..but do you seriously think a post that says kill thewho is any big deal? It was not intended as a serious command or anything, merely a (potentially figurative, that could've occurred to you, too) suggestion, my good chap.
I don't want to get semantical and all, that's a Who ploy - you maybe right, but why give the opposing side any possible ammo whatsoever.
There are and/or will be actionable suits against a variety of program individuals. It won't be a SLAPP suit either.
TheWho has been found to be PM'ing individuals who may have due cause to sue because of what happened to their kids.
Or because of the advice they received, not from just a "parent" but someone who has "fiduciary duty" - a poster who is here to market. That and a bevy of other things, don't want to spoil the fun. All I can say, evil doesn't last in the light of the truth.
The program game playing only lasts so long....
Real people have suffered, real kids have died, real kids continue to endure abuse. That's no joke and no lie, regardless of what the industry who-ha's say.
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I'm just keeping a word doc. of all his stuff.
You really need to get a life!!!!!!!
lol
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..me again...just wanted to add that I agree that people should proceed with any actionable suits against him and these other program-pushers on here..why not..but do you seriously think a post that says kill thewho is any big deal? It was not intended as a serious command or anything, merely a (potentially figurative, that could've occurred to you, too) suggestion, my good chap.
I don't want to get semantical and all, that's a Who ploy - you maybe right, but why give the opposing side any possible ammo whatsoever.
There are and/or will be actionable suits against a variety of program individuals. It won't be a SLAPP suit either.
TheWho has been found to be PM'ing individuals who may have due cause to sue because of what happened to their kids.
Or because of the advice they received, not from just a "parent" but someone who has "fiduciary duty" - a poster who is here to market. That and a bevy of other things, don't want to spoil the fun. All I can say, evil doesn't last in the light of the truth.
The program game playing only lasts so long....
Real people have suffered, real kids have died, real kids continue to endure abuse. That's no joke and no lie, regardless of what the industry who-ha's say.
I would hardly call that ammo; in fact, i'd say it's a sad state of affairs if people have to be that afraid to speak freely in their presense. After all, the program was always about shutting US up..trying to pass off the blame on US.. getting us to snitch, bicker with, compete with one another.. I'd say it's about goddam time we stop walking on fucking eggshells around these bitches. I hope you nail his ass, I don't doubt that he would sell kids out, telling himself all the while that he's somehow helping them... talk about a sick individual, TheWho is it.
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Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
I'm just keeping a word doc. of all his stuff.
You really need to get a life!!!!!!!
lol
If it doesn't matter - why would you care? I think the program phonies should be worried. Laugh all you want - we'll see how funny it is in court.
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Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
I'm just keeping a word doc. of all his stuff.
You really need to get a life!!!!!!!
lol
If it doesn't matter - why would you care? I think the program phonies should be worried. Laugh all you want - we'll see how funny it is in court.
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I would hardly call that ammo; in fact, i'd say it's a sad state of affairs if people have to be that afraid to speak freely in their presense. After all, the program was always about shutting US up..trying to pass off the blame on US.. getting us to snitch, bicker with, compete with one another.. I'd say it's about goddam time we stop walking on fucking eggshells around these bitches. I hope you nail his ass, I don't doubt that he would sell kids out, telling himself all the while that he's somehow helping them... talk about a sick individual, TheWho is it.
Basically, I agree with that premise - no shit. But I also have to say, someone with nefarious intentions like the Who can run with a statement like that as well. I'm not playing his game. he wants to bait us, he wants to show everyone reading, how *bad* we are. How rotten and deviant we are. What to do about that, I'm not sure.
We should not be afarid, not at all.
This should be a safe haven, if anything.
Unfortunately, Who, CCM, unnamed others - exploit the openness of fornits. It's time we take it back.
We are not all teenagers posting. We could be parents, we could federal officials, we could lawyers - anyone - the industry types have carved a perception of themselves on here as "the adults" - the way they behave, however, speaks volumes.
All I'm saying is, don't play into their hands.
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All I'm saying is, don't play into their hands.
I'll try and bear this in mind from here on out. ::peace::
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All I'm saying is, don't play into their hands.
Yeah, I read that, Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway. Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make the Who and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.
Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them. I never expected much from this "private army" Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.
That's not vicious, and unnecessary? I’m gonna assume that wasn’t ccm girl who posted that.
And, Scarlet Chicklett discontinued Mod use. So, technically, you're calling her a failed, drunken army, who hypocritically lets Who drive posters away The truth is it’s not the who breaking solidarity. Some people, like zenagent, are just royal assholes, some are angry, and some are just bat shit insane, and that’s part of the infighting explanation. Then there are other splits. How bout the cafety issue? Some people think that animosity for cafety stems from unbelievably petty shit, personality failings, and a weird need to dominate, some think that cafety is pure evil. And, how about Rep. Miller? And, than there’s astart. They all have secret agendas. Don’t you know the people involved with them- volenteering their time-are whores?
And now of course it’s the fornits drunken failing moderators who could end it all if only THEY DO WHAT YOU SAY ….And then niceness would reign? Like I said, look to yourself, if you want to change how survivors are treated, or the infighting
Sadly, it's not just the who that makes people work against the cause, inadvertently, or be vicious.
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Sadly, it's not just the who that makes people work against the cause, inadvertently, or be vicious.
There are always going to be people, you have work with, but can't stand/don't like/disagree with.
My advice to you and everyone else, let it go.
The larger cause here is enormous. If everyone works together, the programs could cease functioning, much like bleeding patients with leeches ot burning witches at the stake.
programs are abusive, that's what we are here for and that's the bottom line. Not bickering, not in-fighting. Industry types are hoping that's what will happen, that we'll implode. We are better than that.
Time to move and see the big picture, & that means everyone.