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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Kreflo on November 10, 2007, 11:20:50 AM
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http://www.peninsulavillage.org/pv-video1.cfm (http://www.peninsulavillage.org/pv-video1.cfm)
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i saw that.,....fuckin bullllllshit... ugh made me so fuckin mad! :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
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Bloody revolting...it's enough to put you off your food, ain't it?
The first scene of two people sitting on a dock, before the video had even started, not a chance that would happen. All of that propaganda is even more farcical to me, I'm reading over the records of my step daughter's stay at PV. (With her permission - don't let's start....)
Settle, I have to agree with that good gentleman in New Jersey - please, don't read your records. The records are a meticulous day-by-day accounting, very clinical and often PV's spin on events. If I were looking for a way to cause a person to recall events more clearly, to regress their memories, these records would do it. I don't think you want to go there, it's way too soon for you and my step daughter. Lock them away for twenty years until all this has passed is my advice. You'll be back in STU in your mind if you start reading your records.
I'll call in a bit, I'm still skimming through the records and experiencing the same disgust and nausea your friend did while reading your files.
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PV is working HARD to set themselves apart from the rest of the teen torture industry.
I thought they just celebrated their 20th anniversary and now they claim to be operating for TEN YEARS? WTF?
I feel really sorry for any parent or kid who would see this movie and think that is what REALLY goes on at PV. Why is it okay for them to lie repeatedly for so many years and get away with it? I was abused by PV staff, clinicians, and Covenant Health for many months. How many more people will be fooled by PV before they are stopped?
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Thanks for posting the link.
It was hard to watch but I am glad I finally get to see what the individuals who dictated my child's abuse on a daily basis look like.
It IS scary to think people may watch this and believe it. Those of us who have lived the truth know a VERY different story about Peninsula Village.
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I wonder how many PV detainees ever get to ride those canoes? And what's the source of those statistics about how well their grads do? Would that be the survey of 150 hand-picked ex-inmates that we read about earlier?
Funny they forgot to mention the young murderer they had awhile back. Or the staff counselor with the racy bondage photos on her myspace page.
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I wonder how many PV detainees ever get to ride those canoes? And what's the source of those statistics about how well their grads do? Would that be the survey of 150 hand-picked ex-inmates that we read about earlier?
Funny they forgot to mention the young murderer they had awhile back. Or the staff counselor with the racy bondage photos on her myspace page.
agreed
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What, you mean these surveys?
(http://http://xe7.xanga.com/710d6a7162737108991948/m77390974.jpg)
Hmm...Let's see...a three year database, alumni discharged from six to three years. 125 surveys sent out, 41 surveys or 33% were returned, and that's what they base their "success" on. Piss-poor showing by anyone's standards, but what about the 67% who couldn't be bothered? How does PV decide who's an alumnus, anyway? I imagine PV neglected to send out surveys to those kids who were "ill fits" for the program.
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Is this video business a desperate bid to separate PV from those "other" programs, or is business falling off like a leper's limbs?
"You know, some people might sort of envision it as this sort of boot camp, prison kind of place, and it's probably the furthest thing from that,"[/i] - Dr. Brian Ameel
Oh, no, why would the average punter think that, dude? The description of STU left out some key details, like it's a level 4 lockdown. You'd think they'd brag about PV's ability to battle outbreaks of gastrointestinal viruses like E. Coli and Norovirus.
Come now, gentlemen, ye seek to polish a turd. Those cool infomercials don't cover the reek coming from your porta-toilets or the screams issuing from STU.
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quote from a PV survivor on another site.
"I did not Know this site was here until I randomly bumped into someone I was in PV with 15 years ago and Googled Peninsula Village. I don't know what to think really. I was put there after someone that I made friends with in another psych ward committed suicide. We both had good insurance and we both were overmedicated. I was on 120mgProzak 2700mgLithium and 80mg dezippermine at the time I went to PV. I survived,got out, quit school (because the credits didn't transfer the way we were told and instead of being a year ahead, I was a year behind) went to work, and I am a successful contractor. My friends suicide haunts me to this day. I think about the helpless horror we were put through everytime I see a drug ad. It sickens me to see the photos on PVs website. I'm not saying that I didn't benifit from my experience there. I did. But that is because of me , not PV. If photos were taken of some of the stuff I saw I doubt they would have many admissions. I am glad to know that people are out there to talk to. My experiences scarred me in a way that I do not really know how to address. I have not and will not talk to "professionals" and mainly just try to forget it. But my friend was 15 and had his whole life ahead of him. No child anywhere should be given that much medication. It really can damage lives forever. The psych ward @ Duke where all of it began was closed, renamed, and the entire wing of that hospital is not recognizable anymore. I was 14 years old on all of those drugs and was warned that if the treatments did not work one of the options was electroshock therapy. If you got to know me then or now you would see how absolutly ridiculous that is. I am a good person and always have been. No one deserves to be treated like that. And whoever wrote that should try a couple days of my dosage and see how it feels. Sane or not you wont be right for a while. As far as PV is concerned, It was not all bad. But it is designed for inconsistancy. The requirements to work there are low and some of the people who have worked there have no business being there. It is a profitable business preying on parents that don't know what to do. Surviving it made me stronger but has also produced issues in me that are hard to deal with as an adult."
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BUMP
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maybe the fornits movie mogul needs to make a movie about PV?
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maybe the fornits movie mogul needs to make a movie about PV?
Maybe the mogul could interview survivors from all of the centers featured on fornits. We could call it "Teens In Crisis, Decades Later." Then people could see how spread out across the board the abuse actually is. Basically the same model, just under another name.
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Maybe the mogul could interview survivors from all of the centers featured on fornits. We could call it "Teens In Crisis, Decades Later." Then people could see how spread out across the board the abuse actually is.
Good idea....a sort of parallel to "Help At Any Cost," but on the screen instead of in a book.
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If you were going to do something, you would of done it already. You are all just a bunch of whiners.
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If you were going to do something, you would of done it already. You are all just a bunch of whiners.
Stfu, plenty of things have been done already... anyway, I'm sure this was merely a lame attempt at trolling....eh?
Sorry, better luck next time.
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If you were going to do something, you would of done it already. You are all just a bunch of whiners.
Stfu, plenty of things have been done already... anyway, I'm sure this was merely a lame attempt at trolling....eh?
Sorry, better luck next time.
There you go whining again. Nothing will stop this whinefest.
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Maybe we need a little cheese to go with it?
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Show some respect, y'all! That's a PV troller in the house! They got reasons to be agitated these days. Try to redirect them, and if necessary we'll apply a physical restraint and throw 'em in the time-out room. Outta curiosity, which PV do you be? You knpw by posting here, you're giving the opposition in the know some serious and much needed laughter. I'm enjoying it the most, probably. Thrash, you fool, gnash your teeth and rend your clothes, make threats...I'm not in your hellhole program anymore, you've lost control over me. Now I get to call you out for a confrontation. It feels damned fine.
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If you were going to do something, you would of done it already. You are all just a bunch of whiners.
LOL...Sounds like you already know something is going on. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here. Word gets round at PV even to low-level types.
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It's not a PV fuck, guys. It's dear old Anne Hall, on contract with Satan to sow misery and discord.
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If you were going to do something, you would of done it already. You are all just a bunch of whiners.
LOL...Sounds like you already know something is going on. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here. Word gets round at PV even to low-level types.
Are you implying there are HIGH LEVEL types at PV? C'mon Jack you know better than that :P
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If you were going to do something, you would of done it already. You are all just a bunch of whiners.
LOL...Sounds like you already know something is going on. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here. Word gets round at PV even to low-level types.
Are you implying there are HIGH LEVEL types at PV? C'mon Jack you know better than that :P
LOL...There's no rank and file amongst bottom-feeders, is there? They all eat the same shit. Sometimes literally at PV, just check out their history of E.Coli, Norovirus, etc. :rofl:
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Show some respect, y'all! That's a PV troller in the house! They got reasons to be agitated these days. Try to redirect them, and if necessary we'll apply a physical restraint and throw 'em in the time-out room. Outta curiosity, which PV do you be? You knpw by posting here, you're giving the opposition in the know some serious and much needed laughter. I'm enjoying it the most, probably. Thrash, you fool, gnash your teeth and rend your clothes, make threats...I'm not in your hellhole program anymore, you've lost control over me. Now I get to call you out for a confrontation. It feels damned fine.
You need psychiatric help.
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Show some respect, y'all! That's a PV troller in the house! They got reasons to be agitated these days. Try to redirect them, and if necessary we'll apply a physical restraint and throw 'em in the time-out room. Outta curiosity, which PV do you be? You knpw by posting here, you're giving the opposition in the know some serious and much needed laughter. I'm enjoying it the most, probably. Thrash, you fool, gnash your teeth and rend your clothes, make threats...I'm not in your hellhole program anymore, you've lost control over me. Now I get to call you out for a confrontation. It feels damned fine.
You need psychiatric help.
Wouldn't recommend PV for that, huh?
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How many people here actually went to PV? If you didn't then why are you putting in so much time to talk about it? These blogs go back years and the same people who never went there are still talking about it. Well I actually did go there, I spend a long time there. A lot of your information is wrong, some of it is right, but it is seriously taken out of context. Do you really think that you are getting anywhere blogging about it for years? There are a lot of things that went on which were not right, and it was an extremely uncomfortable place, but calling it torture is a huge misrepresentation. I think that it does need to be regulated better but do you think anyone will take someone who blogs like this seriously?
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How many people here actually went to PV? If you didn't then why are you putting in so much time to talk about it? These blogs go back years and the same people who never went there are still talking about it. Well I actually did go there, I spend a long time there. A lot of your information is wrong, some of it is right, but it is seriously taken out of context. Do you really think that you are getting anywhere blogging about it for years? There are a lot of things that went on which were not right, and it was an extremely uncomfortable place, but calling it torture is a huge misrepresentation. I think that it does need to be regulated better but do you think anyone will take someone who blogs like this seriously?
Your grammar is impeccable. You must have been well educated at PV.
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Staff pretending to be students- "Hey, it worked for HLA, didn't it?"
The fakery isn't even worth pointing out anymore. Transparent as a jellyfish.
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How many people here actually went to PV? If you didn't then why are you putting in so much time to talk about it? These blogs go back years and the same people who never went there are still talking about it. Well I actually did go there, I spend a long time there. A lot of your information is wrong, some of it is right, but it is seriously taken out of context. Do you really think that you are getting anywhere blogging about it for years? There are a lot of things that went on which were not right, and it was an extremely uncomfortable place, but calling it torture is a huge misrepresentation. I think that it does need to be regulated better but do you think anyone will take someone who blogs like this seriously?
Good post, That has always been a big point with me about fornits in general, not just PV, that things are blown so far out of proportion that no one takes the stories seriously. For example most people view the term “isolationâ€
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How many people here actually went to PV? If you didn't then why are you putting in so much time to talk about it? These blogs go back years and the same people who never went there are still talking about it. Well I actually did go there, I spend a long time there. A lot of your information is wrong, some of it is right, but it is seriously taken out of context. Do you really think that you are getting anywhere blogging about it for years? There are a lot of things that went on which were not right, and it was an extremely uncomfortable place, but calling it torture is a huge misrepresentation. I think that it does need to be regulated better but do you think anyone will take someone who blogs like this seriously?
Good post, That has always been a big point with me about fornits in general, not just PV, that things are blown so far out of proportion that no one takes the stories seriously. For example most people view the term “isolationâ€
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We're putting together a bright, clear and concise picture for you.
Thank you, it will be like a breath of fresh air... let me know when you post it.
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Many posters here on fornits have stretched the term to include kids who don’t have access to a phone 24/7. The term "abuse" could be defined as not having a choice of what to eat for dinner or being assigned to clean the cafeteria etc.
There you go again, putting your own spin on things. What we object to is the kind of isolation that programs practice in the sense that they remove all system of checks and balances from the individual. The only value system they are exposed to is program values. Again, its akin to the Stanford Prison Experiment on many levels. Combine the isolation with the confrontational, dehumanizing techniques that are used and its a recipe for disaster. The sense of self is lost to group think. Once you've been broken, you're an easy mark.
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Many posters here on fornits have stretched the term to include kids who don’t have access to a phone 24/7. The term "abuse" could be defined as not having a choice of what to eat for dinner or being assigned to clean the cafeteria etc.
There you go again, putting your own spin on things. What we object to is the kind of isolation that programs practice in the sense that they remove all system of checks and balances from the individual. The only value system they are exposed to is program values. Again, its akin to the Stanford Prison Experiment on many levels. Combine the isolation with the confrontational, dehumanizing techniques that are used and its a recipe for disaster. The sense of self is lost to group think. Once you've been broken, you're an easy mark.
Not all programs are the same, your experience is with one program decades ago, there is nothing dehumanizing about most of these programs.
The Stanford Prison Experiment was flawed from the beginning. The guards admitted that they were role playing and acting like they thought they were suppose to act by being exposed to movies like "Cool hand like" and other prison movies. They were given sticks and mirrored glasses. The inmates staged a hunger strike because that is what was popular at the time. Don’t get me wrong there were some interesting outcomes that were noted and still talked about even today, but the study isn’t anything to hang your hat on.
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We're putting together a bright, clear and concise picture for you.
Thank you, it will be like a breath of fresh air... let me know when you post it.
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It won't be here, Who - oh, no a different venue altogether.
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Preach, Anne! Who accuses everyone of exaggerating, I accuse him of minimizing. When it comes to programs, he has no clue about the goings-on. Ask him some questions, his ignorance will blaze like God's burning bush.
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Many posters here on fornits have stretched the term to include kids who don’t have access to a phone 24/7. The term "abuse" could be defined as not having a choice of what to eat for dinner or being assigned to clean the cafeteria etc.
There you go again, putting your own spin on things. What we object to is the kind of isolation that programs practice in the sense that they remove all system of checks and balances from the individual. The only value system they are exposed to is program values. Again, its akin to the Stanford Prison Experiment on many levels. Combine the isolation with the confrontational, dehumanizing techniques that are used and its a recipe for disaster. The sense of self is lost to group think. Once you've been broken, you're an easy mark.
Not all programs are the same, your experience is with one program decades ago, there is nothing dehumanizing about most of these programs.
The Stanford Prison Experiment was flawed from the beginning. The guards admitted that they were role playing and acting like they thought they were suppose to act by being exposed to movies like "Cool hand like" and other prison movies. They were given sticks and mirrored glasses. The inmates staged a hunger strict because that is what was popular at the time. Don’t get me wrong there were some interesting outcomes that were noted and still talked about even today, but the study isn’t anything to hang your hat on.
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Spoken like a true outsider. You've never been exposed to the kind of groupthink and mindrape that Aspen and the others practice. I'm getting ready to leave for the day so I hope my anon friend will pull up some of the postings about the LGAT-like seminars.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's what these places have. Abuse is almost inevitable.
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We're putting together a bright, clear and concise picture for you.
Thank you, it will be like a breath of fresh air... let me know when you post it.
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It won't be here, Who - oh, no a different venue altogether.
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Preach, Anne! Who accuses everyone of exaggerating, I accuse him of minimizing. When it comes to programs, he has no clue about the goings-on. Ask him some questions, his ignorance will blaze like God's burning bush.
Can I get an Amen?!
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We're putting together a bright, clear and concise picture for you.
Thank you, it will be like a breath of fresh air... let me know when you post it.
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It won't be here, Who - oh, no a different venue altogether.
Well try to rememer to provide a link then
Preach, Anne! Who accuses everyone of exaggerating, I accuse him of minimizing. When it comes to programs, he has no clue about the goings-on. Ask him some questions, his ignorance will blaze like God's burning bush.
Well thats my point, Ha,Ha,Ha, if fornits provided more accurate information about the goings -on inside of many of these programs, myself and many other parents would be able to better assess whether or not it is a good place for their child. As it stands now that information just isnt happening.
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Well try to rememer to provide a link then
Not everything happens on the internet!
This Who guy? It seems like he's in the wrong place or something. What does he want? Is he playing devil's advocate, or is he simply an asshole?
If all program experiences are so varied, looks like Federal regulation might iron out the kinks.
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This whole thread started off with Kreflo poppin off again.
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This whole thread started off with Kreflo poppin off again.
Ugh. Kreflo, those peoples give me the heebie-jeebies. Not many people of color in the organization, except that one fella an' I'm none too certain what to make of him. The men all act a little light in the loafers and the women look like they wear boxer shorts so their balls ain't constricted.
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Some posters have been out of programs for twenty years
They have trouble letting go of the past. 99.99% of program participants move on with their life and never look back. This website represents the small number of "victims" who want to blame their shortcomings on others.
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This website represents the small number of "victims" who want to blame their shortcomings on others.
Your MOM wants to blame her shortcomings on others- her main one being you!
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Some posters have been out of programs for twenty years
They have trouble letting go of the past. 99.99% of program participants move on with their life and never look back. This website represents the small number of "victims" who want to blame their shortcomings on others.
Spoken like a steptcraft cult speaking program bot. This statement that I highlighted sounds like something someone in AA or NA would spew like vomit from their mouth.
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Some posters have been out of programs for twenty years
They have trouble letting go of the past. 99.99% of program participants move on with their life and never look back. This website represents the small number of "victims" who want to blame their shortcomings on others.
Spoken like a steptcraft cult speaking program bot. This statement that I highlighted sounds like something someone in AA or NA would spew like vomit from their mouth.
Indeed. I'm wondering why the cultish poster is here, if 99.9% "move on"...what draws the poster to this forum to piss on what he/she assumes to be such a marginalized group? It shouldn't be worth the effort.
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For the benefit of theWho, since he attributes everything to experiential opinions, we'll put PV to the ISAC test of hellhole:
Warning Signs of Potentially Abusive Facilities
1. The facility is not licensed.It is.
2. Verbal and/or written communication between the child and his parents, siblings, grandparents, etc. is prohibited, restricted, or monitored on any level. It is
3. The facility requires that the parents and/or child sign a form releasing the program of liability in the event of injury to the child. PV does require a full waiver to be signed
4. The program requests/demands/recommends that they have legal custody of children.PV does
5. The program requires that children live in foster or "host" homes instead of allowing them to reside with their parents.Not applicable
6. The child or parent or forbidden from discussing the daily happenings at the facility. Often this policy is called "confidentiality."Oh my God, yes.
7. The child is denied access to a telephone.Yes
8. Phone calls between children and parents are monitored.Yes
9. The program uses confrontational therapy.Yes
10. Parents must fulfill requirements of the facility before being permitted to visit their own children.Absolutely
11. The facility is located outside the jurisdiction of the United States. No
12. Children are restrained or otherwise physically prevented from leaving the facility.Yes
13. The staff includes former students/clients of the facility.Yes
14. Staff members claim that self-injury or cutting/carving on ones body is normal behavior for a child in treatment. Yes
15. Parents are not allowed to remain with their child during the entire intake/entry process. Definitely not.
16. The program inflicts physical punishments on children such as exercising for extended periods of time, bizarre cleaning rituals (ie scrubbing floors with a toothbrush) or food restrictions.Yes
17. The program uses humiliation to "break them down."Yes
18. The program forces children to remain in solitary confinement/isolation/time-out for an unspecified amount of time.Yes
19. The facility considers homosexuality to be a behavioral problem.Yes
20. The facility claims to be able to "treat" homosexuality.Yes
21. Reading materials are prohibited or severely limited. Yes
22. The facility does not have a clearly visible sign outside the building or descriptions of their location are vague.Very vague
23. The facility claims to modify behavior, yet has no licensed therapists on staff.No. At least one is licensed.
24. A licensed doctor or registered nurse is not present at any time during normal operating hours.No, there's a nurse on duty most of the time
25. Current clients/students participate in the intake/entry process.No
26. Staff members offer to help parents obtain a court order forcing the child into, or keeping the child in, the facility.Unknown
27. Children are observed while bathing, dressing, or using the toilet on any level of the program.Yes
28. The facility claims to treat drug abuse, but does not conduct a drug screen prior to entry.No, they screen.
29. The facility does not allow children to follow their religion of choice.No
30. Staff members must "approve" family members, siblings, friends, or employment.Yes
31. Children are not afforded an education in accordance with state requirements.Unknown
32. Medication is recommended, prescribed, approved, or dispensed by anyone other than a medical doctor (MD).No
33. Children are denied medications that have been prescribed by an MD[{i]Yes[/i]
34. Staff members, admissions personnel, referrers, etc. make statements indicating that "your child will die without" the program.Yes
35. Children escort/supervise other children.No
36. Children have to "earn" the "right" to speak during group/therapy sessions.Yes
37. Children are denied outside activities on any level/phase.Yes
38. Staff members must approve the withdrawal of children from the facility.Yes
39. The facility expects total and unquestioned support of parents.YES
40. Children on any level/phase are forbidden to speak to other children in the facility.Yes
41. The facility will not disclose the names of any doctors or therapists on staff prior to the child's admittance into the program. The website names clinicians - frontlne staff are not discussed.
ISAC will add to this list as necessary.
It merits a big red flag.
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Lets take the flag down for a minute, shall we? You have been brainwashed and taken in by the group think...lets compare your list to family life:
In a family setting:
• Children are sent to their room (isolation)
• Denied access to a phone
• Told what to eat
• Families are not licensed
• Families can and normally are confrontational
• Some families take their children outside the US even though some children would rather stay home with friends.
• Children are grounded and not allowed to leave the confines of the property.
• The kids are parented by former teenagers.
• Parents are not allowed to spend their entire day with their children due to work and school schedules
• Some parents consider homosexuality to be a behavior issue.
• Parents claim to be able to modify behavior thru discipline.
• Medication is dispensed even though parents are not qualified or have been trained to do so.
• Children are denied outside activities if they do not conform to silly rules.
• Etc.
Hmmm...not much difference.
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Comparing parenting decisions to a program is hardly a valid comparison as location and intent are completely different. Sending me to my room as a kid only ment I was able to read, sleep, or do whatever. Sending a kid to iso where they sit on a cold hard floor with nothing to do is hardly a valid comparison. Denying a kid their use to a telephone in a program or refusing to let them write letters merely hinders their ability to access CPS. A kid at home can always waltz their way to the principal's office and make a full report. I was never allowed to use the phone as a kid unless my grandparents were in attendance to prevent me from calling lower Slobovia or something of that order.
And besides any parent who send their child to their room is a heartless cretin who ought to be shot. The child should always be sent to the salt mines, and never their bedrooms.
I'm sorry Who but anyone who tries to compare raising a child at home to what goes on at a program is barking up the wrong tree. Normally I'm content to ignore your folly, but this latest takes the cake.
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sorry, che - that was for ThePoo.
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In a family setting:
• Children are sent to their room (isolation)
• Denied access to a phone
• Told what to eat
• Families are not licensed
• Families can and normally are confrontational
• Some families take their children outside the US even though some children would rather stay home with friends.
• Children are grounded and not allowed to leave the confines of the property.
• The kids are parented by former teenagers.
• Parents are not allowed to spend their entire day with their children due to work and school schedules
• Some parents consider homosexuality to be a behavior issue.
• Parents claim to be able to modify behavior thru discipline.
• Medication is dispensed even though parents are not qualified or have been trained to do so.
• Children are denied outside activities if they do not conform to silly rules.
• Etc.
Hmmm...not much difference.
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Hey, Who...you and four other goons pile on top of your face-down kid and each of you sit on a limb and the fifth sits on the child's back...see how long you keep custody...see how long you stay out of jail
The DCS doesn't look kindly on people putting their kids in straitjackets, either.
Brainwashed? Your mind's been dry cleaned and pressed, old boy - not by a program, but by big Bain $$$$$$$$$$$.
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Comparing parenting decisions to a program is hardly a valid comparison as location and intent are completely different. Sending me to my room as a kid only ment I was able to read, sleep, or do whatever. Sending a kid to iso where they sit on a cold hard floor with nothing to do is hardly a valid comparison. Denying a kid their use to a telephone in a program or refusing to let them write letters merely hinders their ability to access CPS. A kid at home can always waltz their way to the principal's office and make a full report. I was never allowed to use the phone as a kid unless my grandparents were in attendance to prevent me from calling lower Slobovia or something of that order.
And besides any parent who send their child to their room is a heartless cretin who ought to be shot. The child should always be sent to the salt mines, and never their bedrooms.
I'm sorry Who but anyone who tries to compare raising a child at home to what goes on at a program is barking up the wrong tree. Normally I'm content to ignore your folly, but this latest takes the cake.
Sorry, TSW, but that ISAC list is ridiculous. They are far from abusive....... beatings, salt mines, lack of food, water and clothing sure!!!
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Hey, Who...you and four other goons pile on top of your face-down kid and each of you sit on a limb and the fifth sits on the child's back...see how long you keep custody...see how long you stay out of jail
The DCS doesn't look kindly on people putting their kids in straitjackets, either.
Brainwashed? Your mind's been dry cleaned and pressed, old boy - not by a program, but by big Bain $$$$$$$$$$$.
Now, that I agree is a red flag... those types of thing should be on the red flag list.. not items like denying cell phones etc.......
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Who...What program do you recommend for curing homosexuality? With your vast knowledge and all.
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Allow me to illustrate to you, Mr. Who, the logic behind the ISAC checklist. Though do be warned I have never seen the need for any sort of program placement no matter how good or how bad the facility.
Warning Signs of Potentially Abusive Facilities
1. The facility is not licensed.
*This one is invalid as abuse happens in both licensed and unlicensed facilities. Licensure can only implies the facilities have met certain state minimum qualifications. Those minimum qualifications can be quite lax from state to state.
2. Verbal and/or written communication between the child and his parents, siblings, grandparents, etc. is prohibited, restricted, or monitored on any level.
*Yes lets not allow the child the ability to ask for help from their grandparents or brothers and sisters when the kid's parents won't believe that the kid is being abused.
3. The facility requires that the parents and/or child sign a form releasing the program of liability in the event of injury to the child.
*I'd agree that this would be needed for a child participating in sports and other physical activities. But what about the facility dodging the responsibility for properly training its counselors? Staff involved in incidents of injury or death of residents have been dumped by the facility with the claims of, "Well they didn't follow proceedure." Isn't it the responsibility fo the facility to be properly training staff and making sure proceedure is being followed?
4. The program requests/demands/recommends that they have legal custody of children.
*excuse me?? anyone who wants legal custody of my kids, when I have some in the future and I hope I never do, they can also feed and clothe them and keep my the tainted seed of my loins in playstation 2 games as well.
**no facility should have legal custody of a child as it grants them far to much power that is relatively unsupervised by the child's parents.
5. The program requires that children live in foster or "host" homes instead of allowing them to reside with their parents.
*Straight Inc.. need more be said?
6. The child or parent or forbidden from discussing the daily happenings at the facility. Often this policy is called "confidentiality."
*yeah lets not talk about how staff face planted a kid and made the kid do an all time acclaimed rendition of "I'm a little pine tree".
Why do these places fear people talking about them? I guess I'm of the notion that if you have nothing to hide it won't be a problem.
7. The child is denied access to a telephone.
*No calls to the Po Po for little jonny.. gotta keep the truth from gettin' out yall!!!
8. Phone calls between children and parents are monitored.
*No jonny you will not use your immense powers of logic and persuasion to convince your parents that you are being held by a group of lunatic counselors/WWE wrestling fans who are currently practicing their best moves on a 11 year old. Interestingly enough jonny you will not mention that the 11 year old who is being power bombed was also power bombed on the sidewalked by a 280 pound neanderthal looking counselor named Percival.
9. The program uses confrontational therapy.
* ARE YOU FRicking stupid or something??? ARE YOU??? ARE YOU??
10. Parents must fulfill requirements of the facility before being permitted to visit their own children.
*Niggah puhlease.. I'll visit my damn child, when I manage to find a more or less well endowed exotic dancer willing to hatch a kid with me, whenever I damn well please any time of the night or day. If you are gonna try and hide the crap going on at your dump by making me pre-arrange visits then you can kiss my hairy white ass.
11. The facility is located outside the jurisdiction of the United States.
*Gitmo makes a good example of why you shouldn't send your child to the Reverend Charles School of Christian Truth in Nigeria.
12. Children are restrained or otherwise physically prevented from leaving the facility.
*Well of course you can't leave jonny.. do you think we want you going to the nearest police station and have us all arrested for buggering sheep?
13. The staff includes former students/clients of the facility.
*Hey... jonny.. wanna job doing to kids what you had happened to you??
14. Staff members claim that self-injury or cutting/carving on ones body is normal behavior for a child in treatment.
*most of the kids who started cutting at 3 springs didn't cut before they went there.. so that tells you what now??
15. Parents are not allowed to remain with their child during the entire intake/entry process.
*Not sure about this one.. I mean technically the parents do have to leave at some point...
16. The program inflicts physical punishments on children such as exercising for extended periods of time, bizarre cleaning rituals (ie scrubbing floors with a toothbrush) or food restrictions.
*Oh yes.. Jonny you called me the f-word so now you get to clean all the toilets with your toothbrush.. or.. Mikey you woke me up at three in the morning to go to the bathroom so now the whole group can get up and clean the cabin floor with their toothbrushes.. also.. no warm food for you bastards.. peanut butter sammies for you turds.
17. The program uses humiliation to "break them down.
*yeah.. lets boost jonny's self esteem up some by humiliating the crap out of him.
18. The program forces children to remain in solitary confinement/isolation/time-out for an unspecified amount of time.
*No program should be sending kids to isolation anyway.. A solo as part of the program is different.. that isn't inherently punitive.. a bit creepy for some kids who aren't used to being alone yes.. and in some cases the kids left on solo are terrified out of their minds.. but isolation is different.. small room for the purpose of containing a kid who is acting out..
sorry.. seen iso rooms abused one to many times.. no way programs should be using them.
19. The facility considers homosexuality to be a behavioral problem.
*err...
20. The facility claims to be able to "treat" homosexuality.
*Do they make the fags wear plaid shirts and hunting boots?
21. Reading materials are prohibited or severely limited.
*I think any program that limits the access to the National Enquirer ought to be commended for their good sense. Yet I can't help but wonder why some programs object to reading materials that in my experience include some decently good books.
22. The facility does not have a clearly visible sign outside the building or descriptions of their location are vague.
23. The facility claims to modify behavior, yet has no licensed therapists on staff.No. At least one is licensed.
24. A licensed doctor or registered nurse is not present at any time during normal operating hours.No, there's a nurse on duty most of the time
25. Current clients/students participate in the intake/entry process.No
26. Staff members offer to help parents obtain a court order forcing the child into, or keeping the child in, the facility.Unknown
27. Children are observed while bathing, dressing, or using the toilet on any level of the program.Yes
28. The facility claims to treat drug abuse, but does not conduct a drug screen prior to entry.No, they screen.
29. The facility does not allow children to follow their religion of choice.No
30. Staff members must "approve" family members, siblings, friends, or employment.Yes
31. Children are not afforded an education in accordance with state requirements.Unknown
32. Medication is recommended, prescribed, approved, or dispensed by anyone other than a medical doctor (MD).No
33. Children are denied medications that have been prescribed by an MD[{i]Yes[/i]
34. Staff members, admissions personnel, referrers, etc. make statements indicating that "your child will die without" the program.Yes
35. Children escort/supervise other children.No
36. Children have to "earn" the "right" to speak during group/therapy sessions.Yes
37. Children are denied outside activities on any level/phase.Yes
38. Staff members must approve the withdrawal of children from the facility.Yes
39. The facility expects total and unquestioned support of parents.YES
40. Children on any level/phase are forbidden to speak to other children in the facility.Yes
41. The facility will not disclose the names of any doctors or therapists on staff prior to the child's admittance into the program. The website names clinicians - frontlne staff are not discussed.
ISAC will add to this list as necessary.
It merits a big red flag.
I'm not gonna even finish this list at the moment.. believe it or not every single item on this list is applicable.
Unless you are like me..
I say its all bullshit because no kid should be sent to a program in the first place.
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Lets take the flag down for a minute, shall we? You have been brainwashed and taken in by the group think...lets compare your list to family life:
In a family setting:
• Children are sent to their room (isolation)
• Denied access to a phone
• Told what to eat
• Families are not licensed
• Families can and normally are confrontational
• Some families take their children outside the US even though some children would rather stay home with friends.
• Children are grounded and not allowed to leave the confines of the property.
• The kids are parented by former teenagers.
• Parents are not allowed to spend their entire day with their children due to work and school schedules
• Some parents consider homosexuality to be a behavior issue.
• Parents claim to be able to modify behavior thru discipline.
• Medication is dispensed even though parents are not qualified or have been trained to do so.
• Children are denied outside activities if they do not conform to silly rules.
• Etc.
Hmmm...not much difference.
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Wow Who...... This list you compiled by you sounds like that of a person who has never been in a program themself.
So let me get this straight, you are actually trying to compare a "Regular family' homelife with that of having to live in a program facility??? I'm sorry but I say bullshit to that.
In a family atmosphere kids feel safe and secure that their parents will take care of them and keep them from harm.
in a program atmosphere kids are left with a feeling of abandonment which impacts their trust level on many levels. It does not build or nuture the family element, it only tears it down from a kid's perspective.
Being sent to a program also enforces the thought that "My Parents don't care about me, so why should I trust that anyone else will."
My first hand experience of having been in a program has left me with just this. It crippled my ability to have a relationship with my family. It caused my survival instincts to kick in and I have a hard time maintaining any sort of intimate relationship with others as I am not able to get to that level of trust with anyone.
My family on the other hand is a whole lot more fortunate as they do not suffer from the experiences that I had to endure while I was there. They are able to just bounce through life. They did not endure the life changing trauma that many of us here did.
And I really feel you fit into the same catagory as my family..... Blissful ingnorance of the ugly truth about the Industry.
So tell us.... Were you sent to a program in your youth being torn away from everything you knew??? Or are you like my family, stuck in blissful ignorance and blind to the truth???
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Botched Program:
In a family atmosphere kids feel safe and secure that their parents will take care of them and keep them from harm.
How about if the step-father is beating the kids And locking them in a closet? Most kids feel very secure in these TBS's, many of the pressures are lifted from them.
in a program atmosphere kids are left with a feeling of abandonment which impacts their trust level on many levels. It does not build or nuture the family element, it only tears it down from a kid's perspective.
Same can apply to daycare, boarding school or college…and yes it does occur, I agree.
Being sent to a program also enforces the thought that "My Parents don't care about me, so why should I trust that anyone else will."
The same feelings can emerge if a parent takes away their cell phone and grounds them for a week.
My first hand experience of having been in a program has left me with just this. It crippled my ability to have a relationship with my family. It caused my survival instincts to kick in and I have a hard time maintaining any sort of intimate relationship with others as I am not able to get to that level of trust with anyone.
I am sorry that has occurred.
My family on the other hand is a whole lot more fortunate as they do not suffer from the experiences that I had to endure while I was there. They are able to just bounce through life. They did not endure the life changing trauma that many of us here did.
Some families are more affected than others, yours seems to be more fortunate.
And I really feel you fit into the same catagory as my family..... Blissful ingnorance of the ugly truth about the Industry.
That’s okay, I seem to struggle too understanding many of the kids perception of what they experienced when they went away.
So tell us.... Were you sent to a program in your youth being torn away from everything you knew??? Or are you like my family, stuck in blissful ignorance and blind to the truth???
A little in the middle.. I was never sent away, but when my daughter was in ASR we all struggled a lot and it was tough on the whole family. I don’t think any of us were blind to the truth and we all changed quite a bit, not just my daughter.
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THEWHO....UNTIL YOU HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED, DONT FUCKIN SAY SHIT. ITS NOT RIGHT. MAYBE WHEN YOU WALK IN A VICTIM/SURVIVORS SHOES, THEN COME BACK AND POST YOUR FEELINGS, MAYBE THEY WILL BE MORE CORRECT, BECAUSE THE SHIT I JUST READ MADE ME SHAKE WITH RAGE. UNTIL YOU ARE THE VICTIM, DONT TALK FOR US.
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Lets take the flag down for a minute, shall we? You have been brainwashed and taken in by the group think...lets compare your list to family life:
In a family setting:
• Children are sent to their room (isolation)
• Denied access to a phone
• Told what to eat
• Families are not licensed
• Families can and normally are confrontational
• Some families take their children outside the US even though some children would rather stay home with friends.
• Children are grounded and not allowed to leave the confines of the property.
• The kids are parented by former teenagers.
• Parents are not allowed to spend their entire day with their children due to work and school schedules
• Some parents consider homosexuality to be a behavior issue.
• Parents claim to be able to modify behavior thru discipline.
• Medication is dispensed even though parents are not qualified or have been trained to do so.
• Children are denied outside activities if they do not conform to silly rules.
• Etc.
Hmmm...not much difference.
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Heres my comparison to your shit THEWHO...
>hmm being sent to your room is the same as isolation... i dont remember my room at home being all white walls, no carpet, with a window with fuckin locks and bar like screening.
>denied access to a phone? hmm ya ok.. well how about not just being grounded for a week without being able to talk on the phone but never in your stay there and when you can in sessionss... it is all monitored.. if they dont like where the convo is going... CLICK
>Told what to eat is different then forcing food. My parents told me to eat my veggies when i was young, but did that mean that if i didnt.. too bad i dont eat for the rest of the day? and how about when the EColi and fuckin Norovirus outbreak?
>families not licenced...uhh duhh... no shit theyre not.. thats a lame fuckin rebuttal... MENTAL HEALTH "PROFESSIONALS" TREATING YOUR KID SHOULD BE FUCKING LICENCED. Like for example if you had to have open heart surgery, how would you feel with someone who took a class or two in college with a GED and no Degree much less licence to perform that fuckn surgery?
>Yes families can be confrontational but not to the degree where you confront others for personal gain so you dont get the treatment the Gowns n Scrubs get!!!
>COmparing a family vacation to a TTI shitpit? thats just pure idiotic.. it aint no fuckin all inclusive resort... PV even makes you pay extra for each restraint! Some psychotropic cocktails are extra, etc.
>Not allowed to leave the property? WTF??? At least they can go outside... and also if little Elian falls outside and needs Xrays, that parent will take him to the hospital and not bring the Xray to the "premises"
>Parented by former teens? how about the former teens are performing your treatment process?
>Parents at PV sometimes can never see their kids.
>Homos are ill? Whoever says that is gay... Yall who talk alot of shit are the ones who are ill.
>Discipline may be at home things like no computer or phone for a week, and you have to stay home on friday nite.. PV discipline is having 5 people sitting on you face down on the ground where you cannot breathe and can very easily suffocate. and if thats not discipline enough, you get the body net on a bed for a day. And dont forget using psychotropics as discipline as well.
>Patients are never outside while on GAAU aka STU. Never get to feel the energy and warmth of the sun. Cant even look out the fuckin window.
>HMMMMMM MUCH FUCKIN DIFFERENCE YOU IGNORANT, PIECE OF SHIT. YOU WANNA TALK SHIT, ILL BE HERE TO KNOCK IT ALL DOWN BACK INTO THE PILE OF HORSESHIT IT IS. GOD, MOTHERFUCKER.
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Spoken like a true PV survivor Settle. Thanks for bringing the thread back to the topic of PV and away from Cindy Lou. Of course she will be back to try to redirect the thread soon enough. After all it is her job.
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We're talkin' about a rep of The Man, anyway.
The PV success stories are a little thin. I know one of the former patients, very much a cheerleader, has a pro-PV blog and hits the recruiting rallies often. Damn, they accuse the abused kids of not being able to put it behind them, but the Koolaid krew make a career out of their program experiences,
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hmm being sent to your room is the same as isolation... i dont remember my room at home being all white walls, no carpet, with a window with fuckin locks and bar like screening
You must not have lived in the city.
denied access to a phone? hmm ya ok.. well how about not just being grounded for a week without being able to talk on the phone but never in your stay there and when you can in sessionss... it is all monitored.. if they dont like where the convo is going... CLICK
I would suggest the parents talk about this upfront to see what they feel is acceptable. Monitoring for some kids might be needed.
Told what to eat is different then forcing food. My parents told me to eat my veggies when i was young, but did that mean that if i didnt.. too bad i dont eat for the rest of the day? and how about when the EColi and fuckin Norovirus outbreak?
Some family rules are stricter than others, as far as ecoli, they are having that problem in over 40 schools in England right now. So yes it is a problem globally.
families not licenced...uhh duhh... no shit theyre not.. thats a lame fuckin rebuttal... MENTAL HEALTH "PROFESSIONALS" TREATING YOUR KID SHOULD BE FUCKING LICENCED. Like for example if you had to have open heart surgery, how would you feel with someone who took a class or two in college with a GED and no Degree much less licence to perform that fuckn surgery?
I don’t think I would like that. I suggest parents get to meet the people who will be working with their kids.
Yes families can be confrontational but not to the degree where you confront others for personal gain so you dont get the treatment the Gowns n Scrubs get!!!
Sorry you lost me.
COmparing a family vacation to a TTI shitpit? thats just pure idiotic.. it aint no fuckin all inclusive resort... PV even makes you pay extra for each restraint! Some psychotropic cocktails are extra, etc.
No, the list item was referring to leaving the country.
Not allowed to leave the property? WTF??? At least they can go outside... and also if little Elian falls outside and needs Xrays, that parent will take him to the hospital and not bring the Xray to the "premises"
Same with programs, kids can go for walks in the woods, schedule doctors appointments in town, no gates or fences. There is a van which takes the kids to their dentist or doctors appointment and the parents handle this through their HMO separately. But if the kids break the rules they may loose some of those privileges just like at home.
Parented by former teens? how about the former teens are performing your treatment process?
That’s okay, my point is we were all former teens. Being treated by people that formally attended the school isn’t a bad thing. It is actually a plus in some instances.
Parents at PV sometimes can never see their kids.
I probably wouldn’t choose PV then.
Homos are ill? Whoever says that is gay... Yall who talk alot of shit are the ones who are ill.
I never said that. I believe some parents feel that way and I am sure there are schools that take the same view. It is not unique to just schools.
Discipline may be at home things like no computer or phone for a week, and you have to stay home on friday nite.. PV discipline is having 5 people sitting on you face down on the ground where you cannot breathe and can very easily suffocate. and if thats not discipline enough, you get the body net on a bed for a day. And dont forget using psychotropics as discipline as well.
This doesn’t occur in all schools, I wouldn’t recommend parents to send a kid to a school that did this.
Patients are never outside while on GAAU aka STU. Never get to feel the energy and warmth of the sun. Cant even look out the fuckin window.
Not sure what the initials mean, but the place my daughter attended they could go outside or leave if they liked, although if a child leaves the grounds without asking they may get kicked out of school.
HMMMMMM MUCH FUCKIN DIFFERENCE YOU IGNORANT, PIECE OF SHIT. YOU WANNA TALK SHIT, ILL BE HERE TO KNOCK IT ALL DOWN BACK INTO THE PILE OF HORSESHIT IT IS. GOD, MOTHERFUCKER.
You sound really pissed and you seem to view all schools through your single personal experience. ISAC put the list out as red flags for all schools. I just don’t agree with them.
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Ok here we are on what seems to be a very touchy subject Who. When it comes to "entrusting care" of children to people who are unlicensed, many of us feel that this highly unethical and unwise due to our own first hand experiences from this being done to us.
I live in Florida where many imigrants come to live. There have been many stories done here regarding these people being unlicensed and setting up illegal dental offices in their homes and such. Then when they get investigated the "medical facility" is deplorable. The instruments are dirty and many times these people cause great harm.
Choosing an unlicensed person to entrust care to, well the above is a good comparison. Where picking a licensed person is like going to a licensed dentist who's office is clean, instruments that are used are highly sanitary.
If there are qualified people out there that are unlicensed, why don't they take the necessary testing and become licensed.
Many times being unlicensed is being halfassed.
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Ok here we are on what seems to be a very touchy subject Who. When it comes to "entrusting care" of children to people who are unlicensed, many of us feel that this highly unethical and unwise due to our own first hand experiences from this being done to us.
I live in Florida where many imigrants come to live. There have been many stories done here regarding these people being unlicensed and setting up illegal dental offices in their homes and such. Then when they get investigated the "medical facility" is deplorable. The instruments are dirty and many times these people cause great harm.
Choosing an unlicensed person to entrust care to, well the above is a good comparison. Where picking a licensed person is like going to a licensed dentist who's office is clean, instruments that are used are highly sanitary.
If there are qualified people out there that are unlicensed, why don't they take the necessary testing and become licensed.
Many times being unlicensed is being halfassed.
Yeah it does seem to be a bit touchy.
people dont get licensed because they don’t need to, I believe. I have a nephew who is an engineer and could take a test to get a professional engineers license, but there is no motivation to get it. He wont make anymore money or learn anything more than he already knows. He would have to take time off of work, pay for the testing and drive into the city…there is no payback. Most kids and adults wouldn’t get a drivers license unless it was required.
I think licensing creates a minimum standard so people cant operated on other people in their homes like you mentioned. This is a really good thing. But on the other end if a person has a ton of experience in say science, has a college degree and can bring a lot to a small school and fits in well why tell them to get licensed if it is not Required? Who cares if he knows the capital of Nebraska or not, let the Geography teacher handle those questions. Kids coming out of private high schools do pretty well, despite being taught by unlicensed people.
But parents do need to take an active role in choosing a school and making sure it fits with their family values and expectations. If the child isn’t presently attending school at all then the academic aspect of the school may not be at the top of their list as long as he/she starts doing some type of school work… other parents may regard the academics as number one and will seek a school that has top notch teachers… so I guess it depends on the needs of the individual family.
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Quit arguing with the program survivors, Whootie. They were in a shithole, you weren't. You were drinking martinis in the clubhouse.
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Quit arguing with the program survivors, Whootie. They were in a shithole, you weren't. You were drinking martinis in the clubhouse.
That doesn’t make any sense, why not create a forum for kids who attended TBS and only allow them to post if that is your goal. I was responding to an ISAC list that I didn’t agree with.
If you eliminated all the non-survivors not many would be left, yourself included.
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Yeah it does seem to be a bit touchy.
people dont get licensed because they don’t need to, I believe. I have a nephew who is an engineer and could take a test to get a professional engineers license, but there is no motivation to get it. He wont make anymore money or learn anything more than he already knows. He would have to take time off of work, pay for the testing and drive into the city…there is no payback. Most kids and adults wouldn’t get a drivers license unless it was required.
I think licensing creates a minimum standard so people cant operated on other people in their homes like you mentioned. This is a really good thing. But on the other end if a person has a ton of experience in say science, has a college degree and can bring a lot to a small school and fits in well why tell them to get licensed if it is not Required? Who cares if he knows the capital of Nebraska or not, let the Geography teacher handle those questions. Kids coming out of private high schools do pretty well, despite being taught by unlicensed people.
But parents do need to take an active role in choosing a school and making sure it fits with their family values and expectations. If the child isn’t presently attending school at all then the academic aspect of the school may not be at the top of their list as long as he/she starts doing some type of school work… other parents may regard the academics as number one and will seek a school that has top notch teachers… so I guess it depends on the needs of the individual family.
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Now look closely at the line I highlighted in red. We are not just talking about schools teaching classes, we are talking about a "Troubled Teen Industry" that are getting inside of kids heads and screwing with stuff just like a psychiatrist would, however they are not licensed like a psychiatrist is.
It's basically the the same as the scenario I used about the unlicensed dentist. Think about it.
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Quit arguing with the program survivors, Whootie. They were in a shithole, you weren't. You were drinking martinis in the clubhouse.
That doesn’t make any sense, why not create a forum for kids who attended TBS and only allow them to post if that is your goal. I was responding to an ISAC list that I didn’t agree with.
If you eliminated all the non-survivors not many would be left, yourself included.
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I don't question their experiences. You're an overachiever when it comes to being an asshole - you know that - especially in regard to program survivors.
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Quit arguing with the program survivors, Whootie. They were in a shithole, you weren't. You were drinking martinis in the clubhouse.
That doesn’t make any sense, why not create a forum for kids who attended TBS and only allow them to post if that is your goal. I was responding to an ISAC list that I didn’t agree with.
If you eliminated all the non-survivors not many would be left, yourself included.
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I don't question their experiences. You're an overachiever when it comes to being an asshole - you know that - especially in regard to program survivors.
Oh, because I dont paint the entire industry one color and view every school thru your experience with PV? Give me a break, that means we are all ass holes except you and that puts you in a very uncomfortable place, setting such a high standard for us to acheive.
No I am not politically correct or fold to the fornits group think here and I realize people dont like it, but I am just not the type to jump on the popular band wagon and misinform parents who may have a concern with their child.
There are places that people here could recommend to parents but instead they choose to imply their bad experience is typical of the entire industry when it is not... you are the ass hole for being part of it and not choosing to help some of these kids by engaging their parents and being truthful.
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Quit arguing with the program survivors, Whootie. They were in a shithole, you weren't. You were drinking martinis in the clubhouse.
That doesn’t make any sense, why not create a forum for kids who attended TBS and only allow them to post if that is your goal. I was responding to an ISAC list that I didn’t agree with.
If you eliminated all the non-survivors not many would be left, yourself included.
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I don't question their experiences. You're an overachiever when it comes to being an asshole - you know that - especially in regard to program survivors.
Oh, because I dont paint the entire industry one color and view every school thru your experience with PV? Give me a break, that means we are all ass holes except you and that puts you in a very uncomfortable place, setting such a high standard for us to acheive.
No I am not politically correct or fold to the fornits group think here and I realize people dont like it, but I am just not the type to jump on the popular band wagon and misinform parents who may have a concern with their child.
There are places that people here could recommend to parents but instead they choose to imply their bad experience is typical of the entire industry when it is not... you are the ass hole for being part of it and not choosing to help some of these kids by engaging their parents and being truthful.
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Yeah, real credible coming from this guy! :roll:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=24126&start=0 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=24126&start=0)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=283976#283976 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=283976#283976)
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Calm down, Whootie, you sound agitated. Have a drink.
I tend to focus on PV - you don't see me commenting on ASR, I don't have an informed opinion. Yet you'll come onto a thread about PV and question the validity of ISAC's warning list as it applies to PV and programs in general. The analogy of parental discipline was weak, so very weak.
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Best way to get rid of Whootie - just yell
BAIN CAPITAL!
really loud. He buggers off then.
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Oh, God...right in our backyard.
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I think we know where the dog's collar went now, sweetie.
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Calm down, Whootie, you sound agitated. Have a drink.
No, that wasnt me, someone else posted that from the HLA thread regarding a fiduciary agreement...... old news............. It may seem as though I was agitated because of the bold letters (the original wasnt that way), the poster was trying to show a connection from this thread to HLA thread, but I dont see it.
I tend to focus on PV - you don't see me commenting on ASR, I don't have an informed opinion. Yet you'll come onto a thread about PV and question the validity of ISAC's warning list as it applies to PV and programs in general. The analogy of parental discipline was weak, so very weak.
I dont comment specifically on PV, I have never been there. I was questioning the ISAC warning list (not how it applies to PV) but from my experience. Some of my experiences are weak analogies and others strong. Again I dont see things as black and white. Schools have their strong points and their weak ones, depends on who you talk to as to which list you will get.
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No, that wasnt me, someone else posted that from the HLA thread regarding a fiduciary agreement...... old news............. It may seem as though I was agitated because of the bold letters (the original wasnt that way), the poster was trying to show a connection from this thread to HLA thread, but I dont see it.
Oh yes you do. You just don't want to talk about it. You are nothing but a program shill. You know it, we know it and anyone who takes any time at all to read through even a bit of your postings knows it.
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blah blah blah - I feel bad for TheWho's kid.
He reminds me of way too many creepy family members.
Just an absolutley pathetic human - posting here day after day - this guy prolly has no life and collecting unemployment as we speak as he types away.
He's the Ann Coulter of fornits!
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Best way to get rid of Whootie - just yell
:scared: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
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blah blah blah - I feel bad for TheWho's kid.
He reminds me of way too many creepy family members.
Just an absolutley pathetic human - posting here day after day - this guy prolly has no life and collecting unemployment as we speak as he types away.
He's the Ann Coulter of fornits!
Okay what would Ann say here...Oh! I know..."If Mel S. had a dollar for every time he bragged about Saving a child - oh wait, he does."
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Calm down, Whootie, you sound agitated. Have a drink.
I tend to focus on PV - you don't see me commenting on ASR, I don't have an informed opinion. Yet you'll come onto a thread about PV and question the validity of ISAC's warning list as it applies to PV and programs in general. The analogy of parental discipline was weak, so very weak.
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them beige boots the Who wears is kinda weak
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I can understand your desire to share your experience at PV, it was probably horrible and there were a lot of things about my experience that were horrible-I was there for three consecutive years from when I was 13 to when I was 16. It gave me a pretty distorted upbringing, the field staff in my opinion are not qualified to do their jobs. It really isn't going to help me to dwell in that or feel sorry for myself. Life really does go on. Living in those conditions should make you a much stronger person. I just know that there is no way my children will ever experience anything like that.
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Yeah it does seem to be a bit touchy.
people dont get licensed because they don’t need to, I believe. I have a nephew who is an engineer and could take a test to get a professional engineers license, but there is no motivation to get it. He wont make anymore money or learn anything more than he already knows. He would have to take time off of work, pay for the testing and drive into the city…there is no payback. Most kids and adults wouldn’t get a drivers license unless it was required.
I think licensing creates a minimum standard so people cant operated on other people in their homes like you mentioned. This is a really good thing. But on the other end if a person has a ton of experience in say science, has a college degree and can bring a lot to a small school and fits in well why tell them to get licensed if it is not Required? Who cares if he knows the capital of Nebraska or not, let the Geography teacher handle those questions. Kids coming out of private high schools do pretty well, despite being taught by unlicensed people.
But parents do need to take an active role in choosing a school and making sure it fits with their family values and expectations. If the child isn’t presently attending school at all then the academic aspect of the school may not be at the top of their list as long as he/she starts doing some type of school work… other parents may regard the academics as number one and will seek a school that has top notch teachers… so I guess it depends on the needs of the individual family.
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Now look closely at the line I highlighted in red. We are not just talking about schools teaching classes, we are talking about a "Troubled Teen Industry" that are getting inside of kids heads and screwing with stuff just like a psychiatrist would, however they are not licensed like a psychiatrist is.
It's basically the the same as the scenario I used about the unlicensed dentist. Think about it.
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Regarding TheWho -
Some have earnestly attempted to have rational debate with the man. He's incapable. If things aren't going his way, he changes the criteria, or compares apples to oranges, or goes mental and starts talking about some inane shit like the price of pork in China or how cars are made in Japan.
Don't you get it? He's not here to add to the discussion or even to have open debate. He misrepresents, blatantly lies, derails, attacks and wears people down with continuous posting of bullshit or misquoting people who then feel they have to correct him. He's sitting behind his computer laughing at all of you who play his little game. He knows you'll eventually burn out.
Anyone else notice how he has systematically attacked every regular here since he's been back?
Ignore him. If he posts some off the wall bullshit, respond with a link to information to refute him, but stop the never-ending jousting with him. You think you're going to run him off... no way. He enjoys running his program here and delights in pissing people off.
Don't volunteer for his program.
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Regarding TheWho -
Some have earnestly attempted to have rational debate with the man. He's incapable. If things aren't going his way, he changes the criteria, or compares apples to oranges, or goes mental and starts talking about some inane shit like the price of pork in China or how cars are made in Japan.
Don't you get it? He's not here to add to the discussion or even to have open debate. He misrepresents, blatantly lies, derails, attacks and wears people down with continuous posting of bullshit or misquoting people who then feel they have to correct him. He's sitting behind his computer laughing at all of you who play his little game. He knows you'll eventually burn out.
Anyone else notice how he has systematically attacked every regular here since he's been back?
Ignore him. If he posts some off the wall bullshit, respond with a link to information to refute him, but stop the never-ending jousting with him. You think you're going to run him off... no way. He enjoys running his program here and delights in pissing people off.
Don't volunteer for his program.
Yep. Don't forget this. This shows his connection to the industry.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=283976#283976 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=283976#283976)
When is this supposed to take place?
Well the announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.
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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?
I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€
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Ha,Ha,Ha It escapes me why this post seems to upset people so much. I can make it my signature if that helps to save space here or reposting time. I am sorry I was not able to provide more information, but it is the law, I dont have a say in it:
I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€
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Ha,Ha,Ha It escapes me why this post seems to upset people so much. I can make it my signature if that helps to save space here or reposting time. I am sorry I was not able to provide more information, but it is the law, I dont have a say in it:
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Then you (or maybe Daddy) obviously work for a company that is somehow affiliated with either CRC, Bain Capital or Aspen Ed. directly. If you're worried about insider trading shit, that implies that you are, in fact, an insider.
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Ha,Ha,Ha It escapes me why this post seems to upset people so much. I can make it my signature if that helps to save space here or reposting time. I am sorry I was not able to provide more information, but it is the law, I dont have a say in it:
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Then you (or maybe Daddy) obviously work for a company that is somehow affiliated with either CRC, Bain Capital or Aspen Ed. directly. If you're worried about insider trading shit, that implies that you are, in fact, an insider.
No it doesnt mean he works for any of them. He is saying he is privy to information which is confidential. This information could be used to leverage the stock market with unfair advantage, so he cannot talk about the information by law.
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Ha,Ha,Ha It escapes me why this post seems to upset people so much. I can make it my signature if that helps to save space here or reposting time. I am sorry I was not able to provide more information, but it is the law, I dont have a say in it:
I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€
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Nah, Whootie denied making any money off programs directly when I asked him if there was a conflict of interest with him posting here.
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I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€
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I can understand your desire to share your experience at PV, it was probably horrible and there were a lot of things about my experience that were horrible-I was there for three consecutive years from when I was 13 to when I was 16. It gave me a pretty distorted upbringing, the field staff in my opinion are not qualified to do their jobs. It really isn't going to help me to dwell in that or feel sorry for myself. Life really does go on. Living in those conditions should make you a much stronger person. I just know that there is no way my children will ever experience anything like that.
I can understand that, but should it continue to happen to other kids, whose parents don't know what they're sending their children into?
Living in those conditions could result in a dead person. Catherine Russe will never be the same physically after her stint in PV - she'll have life-long debilitating problems after contracting E. Coli in the program. She nearly died from it.
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It really isn't going to help me to dwell in that or feel sorry for myself. Life really does go on. Living in those conditions should make you a much stronger person. I just know that there is no way my children will ever experience anything like that.
That's great. Mine won't either, but thousands of others will unless those that have been through it speak out. Kudos to Zen and all the others who have the courage to do so.
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Mad migration of PV staff happening right about now.
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Mad migration of PV staff happening right about now.
It does appear as though PV recently lost one of their long term clinical directors from that latest edition of the Voice...
i know someone usually post this but I didn't see it here yet
http://www.peninsulavillage.org/Village ... 202008.pdf (http://www.peninsulavillage.org/Village%20Vision%20Winter%202008.pdf)
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http://www.peninsulavillage.org/pv-video1.cfm
http://www.peninsulavillage.org/Village ... 202008.pdf (http://www.peninsulavillage.org/Village%20Vision%20Winter%202008.pdf)