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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 06, 2007, 08:46:52 PM
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in hopes of spreading healing in some way:
Alia:
First, I, too, have had to learn and grow from my CEDU experience. The verbal abuse that was modeled to us as new staff was too easily emulated and reinforced as we, staff and students alike went through the poorly conceived and dreadfully executed emotional “growthâ€
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I don't know what this guy was like, but it seems like a pretty decent, stand-up gesture. Not too self-serving. Validating that the program was inherently flawed, sincere-sounding apology. Maybe I'm being optimistic?
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Having known Bill in my time at Cedu RS (91-93), I'd say the apology is sincere.
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I think it's a good start.
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The verbal abuse that was modeled to us as new staff was too easily emulated and reinforced as we, staff and students alike went through the poorly conceived and dreadfully executed emotional “growthâ€
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Alia Please forward to Bill
Bill,
You said the following:
"It has taken a long time for me to secure the necessary training and study to realize how misguided were my attempts at bringing emotional health to the kids at CEDU."
Looking back on it do you remember saying to yourself "This is wrong"? I don't see how you need training and study to realize this. Please explain.
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Looking back on it do you remember saying to yourself "This is wrong"? I don't see how you need training and study to realize this. Please explain.
I know. We certainly didn't have such a luxury, and we seemed to figure it out for ourselves for the most part after a few years.
Besides, I honestly didn't even realize that "unfucking yourself" was a major at any college.
Still, I gotta give him some props. He just still has a ways to go. That's understandable.
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yeah, i hate to say this but truly, in the defense of the staff, it is way harder to get over that shit if you are older, like he was like 45 when he went there, totally subconciously traumatic. a person who grew up in a culture his whole life where he is told he is not allowed to cry, a human need, a human function, and then met with a place to cry for the first time maybe (i am not just thinking of bill now, i am thinking of all the new staff as they got there, told they didnt have to invest thousands of dollars to educate themselves in order to help children, they could 'start today' and help there) and have that first allowance of human emotion be set within that madhouse.
its like a preist, having his first orgasm with a young child, at the suggestion of an older preist.
its fucked up, its nasty, but we should never be without compassion, thats what i try to live with, what i wanted was to know that he was moving in a different direction. making sure the preists have stopped fucking the choir boys is a good start. and in bill's defense specifically it is much harder to change when you are older, so if he went in and had the strength go come out at all at that age, thats pretty good.
our world is so crazy, huh. craaazy weird.
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but still, they all should have known better.
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Interesting!!! I also got a very humble tearful and sincere apology form Rudy Bentz.
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Did Rudy simply apologize or something he did or said to you or did he have an understanding of the SYSTEMIC fallacies (abuse) of the program?
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Interesting!!! I also got a very humble tearful and sincere apology form Rudy Bentz.
You're shitting me, right? Is today opposite day?
I wonder if they are both working the eighth step or something?
Is there ever a reason to send an apology letter after this long unless you are only doing it to exorcise your own demons? I mean, does the person you are apologizing to really want to hear from you?
Anyone here remember your first home visit? Remember how we had to "set things right" and make amends for all of the apparently fucked up shit we did before we got shipped off to strength-through-joy vacation? And we had to get it done in the four short days we were home? (two of those spent traveling.)
I basically had to return a bunch of stuff that I stole. The steppenwolf Monster album that I swiped from my 8th grade teacher. (really just borrowed and forgot to return.) The bridgeman book on anatomy that I stole from my 9th grade teacher. (and that was a legitimate swipe.) A set of wimmin's comix I borrowed from my friend my sophomore year. Most of these people hadn't seen me anywhere from 2-4 years.
I always wondered what my friend Diana thought about that. All of the sudden she gets all of her comic books in the mail, that she probably forgot about, with a very brief note from me saying "Sorry I never got these back to you. I have been away for a while."
That would have definitely earned a what.the.fuck in my book.
I'd give anything to be able to touch base with her again. She was a really good friend.
...and those were some great fucking comics, too. That's where I first saw Phoebe Gloeckner's work, who was, is and always will be one of my favorite artists/writers/auteurs... Plus, she's as gorgeous as she is brilliant. :oops:
Well, at least I stole (or borrowed and forgot to return) with purpose. Most things that I found to be worth swiping (besides 20s out of my mom's purse) had to do with one of my two passions, music and art.
The steppenwolf LP was a bonus, because not only did it have the music, it had one of the coolest album covers I had ever seen. I remember spending a really long time trying to copy it line for line.
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yeah, sorry, he didnt send me that just out of the blue. i wrote to him and told him if you plan to respond to this it had better be an apology or you can just not write back.
he did not just send that to me randomly.... sorry if i didnt give u guys enough info on that one. sometimes i do that without realizing, u know, not give enough info... but no, he did not just send that to me one day, i contacted him on impulse and out of anger in many ways, and in to see if he had changed his mind or not, i had heard that he had.
i have no intention of looking up or soliciting appologies from rudy. fuck that prick. i never hated anyone so much in my life. i never hated anyone so much in my entire life as i hate rudy benz. he is an evil man.
but maybe he's changed, i shouldnt be so filled with hate, its tiring.
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in hopes of spreading healing in some way:
Alia:
First, I, too, have had to learn and grow from my CEDU experience. The verbal abuse that was modeled to us as new staff was too easily emulated and reinforced as we, staff and students alike went through the poorly conceived and dreadfully executed emotional “growthâ€
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i have no intention of looking up or soliciting appologies from rudy. fuck that prick. i never hated anyone so much in my life. i never hated anyone so much in my entire life as i hate rudy benz. he is an evil man.
Hello Alia. I was in your peer group and I remember you.
I couldn't agree with you more about Rudy Bentz. Rudy
is a MAGGOT. He doesn't deserve our compassion, understanding, or forgiveness. Rudy only deserves to
be treated with the same degradation & cruelty which
he so enthusiastically visited upon all of us during our
respective stays at cedu. Never feel guilty for hating
this man, because even our hatred is too good for a
piece of shit like Rudy Bentz!
As for Rudy's apology: it is worthless. Rudy crossed the
line beyond where "I'm Sorry" cuts it decades ago.
Maybe Rudy has finally reached that point in his life
where his past is catching up to him. Maybe the fact
that CEDU is dead, Jill left him, and that he has no
friends is starting to sink in. Rudy is old now, old and
alone with nothing but his guilt. Funny thing about guilt:
once you have it, if you can't find a way to get rid of it
(make amends), it tends to grow and it feels worse and
worse over time. Rudy may be apologizing now, in
hopes of receiving forgiveness to relieve his guilt.
Don't give that shitbag the satisfaction! Instead leave
Rudy alone to face the demons of his past, to wallow in
the depravity and emptiness that defines his pathetic life.
Under such dire circumstances, we can all but hope that
Rudy elects to do the rest of the world a favor, and blow
his own brains out. Now that would be sweet justice!
As for Bill Valentine, he was not the sadist that Rudy Bentz,
Jill Bentz, Guy Bonnano, Patrick Stambusky, Russ Decker,
& Steve Laird were . True, Bill played by Cedu's rules,
but he wasn't cruel about it, at least not to me anyways. Bill
treated me fairly, much more so than any of the other "family heads" at Cedu. Based on my own personal experience
with Bill Valentine, I would agree that his apology to Alia is
indeed sincere. Good for you Bill, I always knew you were
better than the rest of them.
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Interesting!!! I also got a very humble tearful and sincere apology form Rudy Bentz.
I don't find that very hard to believe. While I didn't much care for Jill, Rudy always seemed real to me.
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son of serbia, you were in my peer group??? you should email me and tell me your real name, i would really like that.
aliamichelle@gmail.com
i am sorry if i ever said anything mean to you there. i am good at being mean. i am smart and i can understand people, thats why i hate cedu so much, i was so young and they trained me to use all my insight about people to hurt them and to find ways of criticizing and belittling them.
i feel so sad so often that i just let that happen. and then i look at our country and feel that i must take action somehow or else this cancer we all felt at cedu may even find its way into the public school system, and the philosophies of self hatred will destroy our country.
as far as i can tell its no accident. reagan and all them loved the cedu type programs. these are the same fascist, racist, greedy ignoramuses that are still pissed off that their african american slaves were taken from them, and they want them back. they dont care where they come from, they dont care the color of their skin, or their backgrounds or beleifs, they just care that we shut up and run the machines.
i would be happy for you to interview me psy, u can also email me at the above email if you like.
fei(for everyone's information): my boyfriend and i just had a great weekend in mammoth for his birthday. it snowed and was so pretty. i talked to all my friends about how my first snow i ever saw fall was at cedu. it continues to feel good to not have cedu be a taboo in my life, despite the pain i continually experience as i come out of denial about it.
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Alia - I am wondering who you are.
I left probably right when you were getting there and was on bans from Qwest and below.
I remember Son of Serbia and Cedu is a Cult quite well.
Perhaps you might have seen me around but I would not have been able to talk to you.
Bill Valentine apologizing - very interesting.
Whereas, I must admit that Bill was not as bad as most of the staff there, he still was headmaster or essentially ringleader of that circus-cult-BS.
Pretty wild when the ringleader calls foul.
I have also been under the impression from mnay in the past that it was under Bill's direction of Cedu when they finally started giving behavior modification drugs to the kids while at cedu. While I was there it was strictly forbidden for the kids to even be on ridolin or anything of the sort.
Would be interesting for him to pop on here and answer some posts to many questions that staff insight is requested...
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yes, about bill and the drugs, my friend jackson said that bill was ok, that he had really confronted him (and this was after i graduated) and that bill had changed the program, and even reduced the number of raps and changed the abusive nature of the raps. i dont know to what degree, i only had one conversation with him and we lost touch again. it was an awkward evening, i was a hard core christian, and he was still angry with me for the things i had done to him at cedu. he didnt feel as powerless against it as i did.
as far as who i am, i am 5'2" and had blondish hair. on one of my first morning thingies, the name of which escapes me, the man who was the headmaster when i first got there, another name i have deleted apparently, was talking about bob dylan and i knew the lyric he was going to say was, "he not busy being born is busy dying" i thought it was a good omen that these guys knew cool lyrics like that and talked about them. i felt so proud and was so happy to finally be somewhere were i fit in.
o boy was that high gonna have a come down.
so i dont know if you remember that but that was me. and u may have noticed a bunch of missing information, that is what my head looks like, i remember very very very very little of those 2.5 years. there is a chance you could jog my memory if you remembered me, but i am sorry i remember almost no one. even my peer group. i only remember a few names. i dont remember raps like people here do, i dont remember hardly anything, i totally numbed out as fast and as hard as i could as soon as i got there i just completely shut down.
and i have been in denial about the whole thing until now, 15 years later. and every memory hurts, and every realization of what my mind became at their hands makes me cry, and every tear makes me remember those hours and hours and hours of wailing at nothing, at myself, at my very hatred for them.
that was the crazy part, eventually, all the 'work' i did all that rage was 'FUCK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO ME RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKERS!!!!!!!!!' you know? like didnt you ever scream at the floor ever in raps and know deep in ur head what your really saying is 'I HATE THIS FUCKING PLACE!!!!!!!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING LUNATICS!!!!!!!!!!!!'
cedu. and i have beleived that i was powerless until now, and still feel powerless. the true crime: i hid myself away so that when i had power again i could resume my life as if nothing had happened, but like a fish thats lived with an invisible barrier, i didnt know the i wasn't powerless anymore, i never quite had enough evidence, i still don't, i finally am having to just take a leap of faith! because they stole the luxury of security from me.
but oh well, i don't seek to punish. the impulse to punish is incorrect. i just don't want this done to others or to me ever again. there is no need to humiliate our abusers like they humiliated us, that really does just perpetuate they karmic cycle... it just demonstrates further how to abuse. what we all need to see is how to heal. and i beleive in the power of forgiveness.
is it true that rudy appologized to someone or was that just made up?
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my friend jackson said that bill was ok, that he had really confronted him (and this was after i graduated) and that bill had changed the program, and even reduced the number of raps and changed the abusive nature of the raps.
Alia,
Is your friend Jackson Nash? If so, then you should really choose your friends better. For those of you who don't know, Jackson Nash is a Cedu programmie who still drinks the kool aid, and is a regular poster at the cedualumni.com sheep site. Those posters who have been here a while may remember that several years ago, Jackson and a couple of his loser cedualumni friends trolled this site anonymously on a daily basis, and visciously attacked anyone and everyone who did not support their pro-cedu views. Jackson Nash figured out who I was after another one of his programmie friends David Olshansky told him my name (at least the one that I went by at Cedu). Jackson posted this information about me, including where he believes I currently reside, on two different websites, fornits (Antigen confirmed this publicly) and cedualumni.com. Jackson did this despite the fact did that several days earlier an anonymous programmie at cedualumni.com specifically threatened me that he would come to my house and rape my wife when I was't home. Another anon programmie from the cedualumni site made a follow up post here at fornits where he threatened that "If you don't stop direspecting what is important us (cedu), we'll attack what is impostant to you, your family!" Seriously, Jackson Nash is spineless, he's a maggot just like all the other Cedu losers he emulates.
For someone who feels about Cedu the way you do Alia, I'm shocked
that you would call Jackson Nash a friend. Perhaps I'm wrong and it's an entirely different Jackson all together. God I hope so.
-Son Of Serbia
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Are you serious? Their platform is Pro-CEDU and mafia style violence?
These are graduates? From what year/school?
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I didn't realize David Olshansky was a cedu troll...How very disappointing.
I remember when he moved in. I thought he was a likeable guy.
Now I don't like him...
Alia - have you seen this website?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cedu (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cedu)
That should take you back....
~JP~
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Are you serious? Their platform is Pro-CEDU and mafia style violence?
These are graduates? From what year/school?
David Olshansky graduated Cedu RS in December 1992.
I think Jackson Nash Graduated from Cedu RS in winter
1994 or spring/summer of 1995. I don't know which Cedu facility
the poster(s) who threatened my wife & family attended, because they were always anonymous. I do however have reason to
suspect that one of the posters who threatened me may have
been Anne Hall's (Ottawa 5) son, who graduated from RMA in
the late 90's, and/or possibly one of his friends from RMA. The threat against my wife was originally posted cedualumni.com, but it was removed by that site's moderater Alex Banister, when he shut down the anonymous posting section of his website over a year ago. However, the threats made against my family were quoted & reposted here at fornits on a number of threads. Search the old cedu threads from 2 or 3 years ago and you're bound to come across it.
Yes cedualumni.com's platform is definately pro-cedu, but the site doesn't advocate mafia style violence, at least not publicly. However, who can really say how these scumbags feel privately?
What I do know know is that the posters at cedualumni.com graphically threatened my wife and family, and then tried to publicly expose my identity in hopes of scaring me into silence. The Sheep did this out of frustration because they couldn't come up with any sensible or credible arguments to dispute my position on cedu. Before threatening my family, cedu alumni poster tried everything they could to discourage me from posting at their site. They routinely attacked my ethnicity, calling me rascist terms like "slob" (derogatory word for slav) or "slave boy" (in reference to Adolf Hitler's writings in Mein Kamft which characterized all Slavs as an inferior race of slaves whose sole purpose should be to serve the Aryan race). Then they attacked my religious beliefs (christianity). And when that didn't work, the programmies at cedualumni.com began posting disgusting lies about my family, portraying my father as a wife beater, child abuser, and as a sexual deviant, who (they insisted) raped and beat me on a daily basis. One such programmie anon even theorized that my problems at cedu were really the result of my misdirected anger at my abusive father, and for that reason none of my views on Cedu should be taken seriously. All lies of course, but what else can we expect from cedu sheep?
Oh yes the programmies at cedualumni.com tried everything they could think of to discredit me, and to silence me, but I refused to
back down. I kept posting the truth about cedu at their beloved
site, and finally, when one of the programmies decided he had had enough of me, he threatened my wife & family.
As sick as all of this is, what is even more sick is that Jackson Nash
actually tried to help this creep carry out his threat, by posting
my information, including where he believes I reside. This is all quite disturbing in and of itself, but what is even more disturbing is that Jackson Nash is an Attourney by profession. Highly unethical behavior for a lawyer, don't you think?
And yes, all of this is true.
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Son of Serbia,
It is incredibly heartbreaking to hear the horrible actions of those disturbed individuals. I'm sorry that you had to experience that.
Justme
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Now that CEDU has been shut down permanently for the fraudulent quacks that they were, it's time to fight the CEDU that is up and running their therapukic culty scams.
SOS was one of the first people to contact me at fornits, and I deeply appreciated hearing his epic turnaround story, and was inspired to stick to my honest impressions of what I saw at my RMA in the late 80's-early 90's. I've missed him on this board as his activism in talking to parents and struggling parents about what options existed was sober and influential.
He was attacked numerous times here, and at CEDU "alumni", a service that I'm glad exists for the sole purpose of saving my friends and showing them to fornits.com! I wouldn't have to chirp in my ten cents here if I hadn't been similarly attacked just for logging in as a pissedrmagrad90. Sorry, but I was trying to meet old friends, understand my experience in Idaho, and generally feeling nostalgic when I found it. It's their own fault for helping to create an atmosphere of diversion. I happened upon this here fornits site a few weeks later and DIDN'T feel comfortable "bad rapping" CEDU, and seeing it torn to shreds, and question all of my older brothers, and favorite staff members' intentions...But if I was treated that way as a fucking CEDU "Alumni" over there, simply for expressing an opinion one way about it, you know they made a lukewarm acquaintance out of me. So, I was pretty neutral when I logged in here as blownawaytheidahoway...and the truth prevails.
They did use coercive techniques that were designed to make us as automaton as possible. CEDU did use tactics in bringing kids to emotional catharsis (daily) that would not be permissible anywhere. Also, it's true that they created an atmosphere that they were against the world, and were victims of society- they were saving the world, one little kid inside at a time. That there is the divergent opinion about their methodology and ideology is interesting as is identifying the conditions of the individual's personal feelings about containment, atmosphere, and therapy may also be interesting discussion, but it doesn't change the fact that they bilked our families out of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, and did lasting damage to families, kids and individuals.
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Now that CEDU has been shut down permanently for the fraudulent quacks that they were, it's time to fight the CEDU that is up and running their therapukic culty scams.
SOS was one of the first people to contact me at fornits, and I deeply appreciated hearing his epic turnaround story, and was inspired to stick to my honest impressions of what I saw at my RMA in the late 80's-early 90's. I've missed him on this board as his activism in talking to parents and struggling parents about what options exist was and is personally unmotivated, sober and influential.
He was attacked numerous times here, and at CEDU "alumni", a service that I'm glad exists for the sole purpose of saving my friends and showing them to fornits.com! I wouldn't have to chirp in my ten cents here if I hadn't been similarly attacked just for logging in as a pissedrmagrad90. Sorry, but I was trying to meet old friends, understand my experience in Idaho, and generally feeling nostalgic when I found it. It's their own fault for helping to create an atmosphere of diversion. I happened upon this here fornits site a few weeks later and DIDN'T feel comfortable "bad rapping" CEDU, and seeing it torn to shreds, and question all of my older brothers, and favorite staff members' intentions...But if I was treated that way as a fucking CEDU "Alumni" over there, simply for expressing an opinion one way about it, you know they made a lukewarm acquaintance out of me. So, I was pretty neutral when I logged in here as blownawaytheidahoway...and the truth prevails.
They did use coercive techniques that were designed to make us as automaton as possible. CEDU did use tactics in bringing kids to emotional catharsis (daily) that would not be permissible anywhere. Also, it's true that they created an atmosphere that they were against the world, and were victims of society- they were saving the world, one little kid inside at a time. That there is the divergent opinion about their methodology and ideology is interesting as is identifying the conditions of the individual's personal feelings about containment, atmosphere, and therapy may also be interesting discussion, but it doesn't change the fact that they bilked our families out of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, and did lasting damage to families, kids and individuals.
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cedualumni.com
Dead forum is dead.
You could probably put a link to Fornits in there and not have it removed for weeks.
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Son of Serbia...as someone who knew you at cedu, I too am so sorry to hear what the cedu trolls did to you as well.
Knowing you for the short time that I did, it's good to see that you stayed strong like when I knew you at cedu.
It's good to see you back here.
Blown away - I agree with you as well.
When I first surfaced, I went onto the classmates.com site and went onto the cedu chat board. I posted some negative thoughts about cedu and received numerous emails to my classmates email account telling me:
"to get over it"
"You're a pussy"
"fuck off"
blah blah blah.
It made me nervous when I first went onto fornits as well. Especially after I read all the ottawa5 nonsense.
The fact of the matter is this:
It's so good fornits is here AND I think we are just at the tip of the iceberg. There will only continue to be more and more people that wake up after supressing this shit and are going to seek and NEED answers.
It's going to be people's tell all stories (like Blownaway) that will hopefully bring it back into the spot light and generate some real interest.
Liam's work will be out by the first of the year. (www.liamscheff.com (http://www.liamscheff.com))
At some point - someday - maybe we will get to bring someone to justice for all of this...
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Fuck you Bill. Really...............
It's easy to feel bad for your abuse now, isn't it.
NOT FORGIVEN.
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I found the Fornits site first. So fucking glad.
I still remember the Flame Wars with Ottawa on this site. I tried to engage in rational discourse, but she, nor could could ANY programmie, answer one simple question: What SPECIFIC tools did CEDU use to promote emotional growth in individuals? That's all I wanted to know. Very simple question.
I could tell you what tools I use as a teacher, a mother, a girlfriend to promote emotional safety or learning (and where I fuck up, too)... it seems to me it would be quite simple to be able to relate the emotional benefits of CEDU if you were such an ardent believer in its methodology. But of course, no one would ever offer one example, one tool, one methodology. What does that tell you?
I asked this one question over and over... and got zip.
There is a reason there are no longitudinal studies done to authenticate the benefits of the program.
The crazy thing was that this parent was said that any trauma experienced was due to a rare misplacement OR isolated incidents. Abusive raps, mindfuckery, and profeets were inherent, systemic aspects of the program. Isolation was necessary to insulate students from outside influences--including reality. Isolation was also necessary so they could manipulate (that word!) parents into a higher level of parent-child deception. How many of you learned STRAIGHTAWAY that any show of mental and verbal non compliance was met with crushing defeat? And you had no one to turn to. You couldn't even pick up the phone, because it was locked in an office, and your 15 supervised minutes were two week away. And God knows you learned fast the utter futility of anything but a Stepford response via phone or letter.
And they would tell the parents the same thing if a smidgen of the truth got out: He/She is manipulating you. If you took a stand, if you spoke up for someone, if you scorned the tactics used to break you, the staff just further embellished your portrayal as a Troubled Youth.
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Questions to Ask Programmies:
1. Do you think a "one size fits all" blanket approach is an effective way to meet the emotional, intellectual, spiritual and medical needs of individual students is an effective treatment plan? Yes or No?
2. Do you you believe that abject humiliation via group for true, half true, or patently false voluntary or coerced admissions is emotionally beneficial to youths? Yes or no?
3. Do you believe that bullying, coersion, spying and repeated badgering are effective tools for building a person "up." Yes or no?
4. Do you think it is acceptable to advertise your registered group home as a school? Yes or No?
5. Do you think it is acceptable to posit your counselors as degreed professionals via diploma mills? Yes or no.
6. Do you think sleep deprivation and experentials typically used in cults or POW camps such as Lifespring, EST, and Synanon is psychologically sound for developing teenagers? Yes or No.
7. Do you think its therapeutic for developing teenagers to be flogged and degraded for smiling or flirting with opposite sex peers while they sit on the laps of opposite sex staff members and listen to their masturbation and sexual history--including deviancy. Yes or no?
8. Do you think that threatening a dissident's family is a positive indicator of CEDU's effect on you? Yes or No...
God, I'm tired and this just a short list...
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Now were talking!
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alia: I have to offer you an apology, for I am an idiot. I saw this article months ago, and didn't even connect the dots when you posted this thread.
Posting a response to dishduty's vicki thread made me realize this.
http://everhigher.com/nextstep/certifiedcoaches.htm (http://everhigher.com/nextstep/certifiedcoaches.htm)
This is a lifecoach orginization. All of those people are ex-CEDU. They are now responsible for the "certification" of other staff members at other programs, namely Benchmark, a CEDU clone. So essentially, it is a gross conflict of interest, and a perfect example of industry "self-regulation". Not certified? Well, we'll just certify ourselves.
Of particular note....
In 2000, he started his third business, Ever Higher LLC, offering coaching, consulting, seminars, workshops and outdoor adventures to adults wanting to increase their successes as leaders, parents, partners and friends. Bill has challenged and led thousands of growing adults to personal summits through his workshops and seminars.
So, if this is the same Bill Valentine, and I am fairly certain it is, he is still a program tool, and is still in this shit up to his waist. He's also partnered up with one of the most annoying, repulsive, 60s throwback rejects to ever set foot in Idaho, Vicki Jones.
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I know. We certainly didn't have such a luxury, and we seemed to figure it out for ourselves for the most part after a few years.
Besides, I honestly didn't even realize that "unfucking yourself" was a major at any college.
:rofl: You make me laugh.
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Sorry it took me awile to get back to your posts. several years after I left CEDU I went and visited Rudy down in Georiga at his new school " Hidden Lake Academy. Boy was that a wack school that did'nt last!!!! for those of you who might remeber Deanna Kontoz she worked there who was also CEDU alum. So I was visiting her and checking the place out. Rudy and I went for a drive and had lunch. He apologized for anything fucked up that he did or CEDU did to me ( with tears and all.) Then went on to talked about how fucked up CEDU is, and that he was just so so so sorry. I was in shocked. Thats all I remember of the conversation but we did talk about it for a while.
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wow, so rudy appologized but still runs that other school.
bill appologized but that higher life thing is still cedu type functionality?
weird. i am confused....
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Are you serious? Their platform is Pro-CEDU and mafia style violence?
These are graduates? From what year/school?
David Olshansky graduated Cedu RS in December 1992.
I think Jackson Nash Graduated from Cedu RS in winter
1994 or spring/summer of 1995. I don't know which Cedu facility
the poster(s) who threatened my wife & family attended, because they were always anonymous. I do however have reason to
suspect that one of the posters who threatened me may have
been Anne Hall's (Ottawa 5) son, who graduated from RMA in
the late 90's, and/or possibly one of his friends from RMA. The threat against my wife was originally posted cedualumni.com, but it was removed by that site's moderater Alex Banister, when he shut down the anonymous posting section of his website over a year ago. However, the threats made against my family were quoted & reposted here at fornits on a number of threads. Search the old cedu threads from 2 or 3 years ago and you're bound to come across it.
Yes cedualumni.com's platform is definately pro-cedu, but the site doesn't advocate mafia style violence, at least not publicly. However, who can really say how these scumbags feel privately?
What I do know know is that the posters at cedualumni.com graphically threatened my wife and family, and then tried to publicly expose my identity in hopes of scaring me into silence. The Sheep did this out of frustration because they couldn't come up with any sensible or credible arguments to dispute my position on cedu. Before threatening my family, cedu alumni poster tried everything they could to discourage me from posting at their site. They routinely attacked my ethnicity, calling me rascist terms like "slob" (derogatory word for slav) or "slave boy" (in reference to Adolf Hitler's writings in Mein Kamft which characterized all Slavs as an inferior race of slaves whose sole purpose should be to serve the Aryan race). Then they attacked my religious beliefs (christianity). And when that didn't work, the programmies at cedualumni.com began posting disgusting lies about my family, portraying my father as a wife beater, child abuser, and as a sexual deviant, who (they insisted) raped and beat me on a daily basis. One such programmie anon even theorized that my problems at cedu were really the result of my misdirected anger at my abusive father, and for that reason none of my views on Cedu should be taken seriously. All lies of course, but what else can we expect from cedu sheep?
Oh yes the programmies at cedualumni.com tried everything they could think of to discredit me, and to silence me, but I refused to
back down. I kept posting the truth about cedu at their beloved
site, and finally, when one of the programmies decided he had had enough of me, he threatened my wife & family.
As sick as all of this is, what is even more sick is that Jackson Nash
actually tried to help this creep carry out his threat, by posting
my information, including where he believes I reside. This is all quite disturbing in and of itself, but what is even more disturbing is that Jackson Nash is an Attourney by profession. Highly unethical behavior for a lawyer, don't you think?
And yes, all of this is true.
o my god, jackson did that? thats fucked up.
see? this is why i hid out in the christian church for so long. i am so glad i avoided society completely while my brain processed out most of this garbage. i am dissappointed, but also compassionate, because i know i did horrible things not realizing it.
but i am sorry, sos, thats bullshit and i am so sorry that happened to you, it is not right, that sucks.
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I can't stop thinking about Bill Valentine. At first I liked his apology but after seeing that Viki Jones trifecta of hogwash website for 'next step' I'm livid.
If there's one thing I can't stand is 'corporate political correctness' . And that's exactly what his apology is - a polished turd. Had he got out of the industry and publicly admitted that CEDU was a fucking joke I'd appreciate his apology.
But god dam the triangulating smokescreen of horseshit on that website makes me puke every time I think about it.
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yes, i agree, i have been experiencing similar feelings....
we should sue them, class action, we should all meet. where is everyone?
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I think the window of opportunity has long passed.They went corporate and bankrupt. That makes them untouchable.
However, if we found staff doing the same shit now we could get them individually.
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I can't stop thinking about Bill Valentine. At first I liked his apology but after seeing that Viki Jones trifecta of hogwash website for 'next step' I'm livid.
If there's one thing I can't stand is 'corporate political correctness' . And that's exactly what his apology is - a polished turd. Had he got out of the industry and publicly admitted that CEDU was a fucking joke I'd appreciate his apology.
But god dam the triangulating smokescreen of horseshit on that website makes me puke every time I think about it.
I totally agree with you. After seeing this website, it's clear that
Bill's apology means nothing. This pisses me off. I really hoped
that Bill had changed, as he always treated me better than
the rest of the Cedu Abusers. I feel like an idiot for letting
myself be fooled by him.
Bill Valentine is no better than Rudy, Guy, Steve,
Patrick, Russ, Jill, or any of those other Maggots.
In fact he's worse, because Bill almost made me
believe that he was decent human being.
FUCK YOU Bill Valentine! Seriously, you suck.
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yeah, maybe it does make it worse....
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It makes me sad.
Let me clarify- what makes me sad is that I was hoping that someone finally had some true remorse for what they had done. Doesn't appear to be so in this case. I can still hope that somewhere in the back of his mind he knows what he did was wrong. But I'm not holding my breath.
I have discussed cedu with at least one former staff member who did appear to feel badly about cedu.....but this particular staff member was always on the fringes when he did work there and didn't last very long.