Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Che Gookin on November 05, 2007, 08:34:36 AM
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Che Gookin on November 05, 2007, 08:34:36 AM
You vote..
Title: Re: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 08:56:02 AM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
And yet we only have your word that Summie didn't molest any of the students.
Be an interesting poll.
Che,
Polls are meaningless. Hundreds of pretenders will crawl out of the woodwork. Every one of them will cast a hundred votes. Such vermin pullulate.
So far we've only the word of Ursus, who won't defend his claim. Read his last Joe Gauld post carefully. He's already backing away from it, hedging.
Ursis has destroyed what little credibility this Hyde Schools Forum once had. Che, you've very stupidly lent him a hand.
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Che Gookin on November 05, 2007, 09:01:18 AM
Could you please demonstrate how Ursus has destroyed what credibility the forums have had?
Last I checked Ursus was against the likes of that piece of shit Joe Gauld.
Weren't you the one posting lemonparty links?
Again.. please be very specific and back up your claims. So far I've seen nothing to support your suggestions that sumner hawley didn't have any students other than hostile posts, porn links, and vague allegations.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 09:21:55 AM
where do you see " hedging"? i dont see it
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 09:30:48 AM
Che,
If you think that my posts are hostile, vague, and consist of porn links, then you have never bothered to read the Hyde School Forum. In it, you'll find hundreds of descriptions and analyses of my Hyde experience, many signed. I've been investing in it since December 2006; you haven't invested even a minute's time reading it. So thanks for telling me like it is, Che. Thanks for taking charge of the Hyde Schools forum. It's always a great irony that you haters of authority want nothing more than to be authorities.
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 09:46:05 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
where do you see " hedging"? i dont see it
The hedge is in the sentenve below. Child molestation becomes a metaphor for ... well, I don't really know what Ursus means by "mind fuck," but it certainly isn't the other kind of fuck.
Quote from: ""Joseph W. Gauld""
Nobody said nuttin' 'bout lil boys, my dears! It's called a MIND FUCK fer a reason...
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
where do you see " hedging"? i dont see it
The hedge is in the sentenve below. Child molestation becomes a metaphor for ... well, I don't really know what Ursus means by "mind fuck," but it certainly isn't the other kind of fuck.
Quote from: ""Joseph W. Gauld""
Nobody said nuttin' 'bout lil boys, my dears! It's called a MIND FUCK fer a reason...
"Mind fuck" is used by most on fornits to mean brainwashing. I don't understand what you mean by hedge either. Nor is this "Ursus".
A hedge is a calculatedly noncommittal or evasive statement. In the future do your own homework.
It is from Ursus' IP. Did you think only admins were privy to that information?
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 10:29:37 AM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Could you please demonstrate how Ursus has destroyed what credibility the forums have had? Again.. be specific and back up your claims.
I will tell Ursus directly. Or have you appointed yourself his guardian as well?
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Ursus on November 05, 2007, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
It is from Ursus' IP. Did you think only admins were privy to that information?
It is not from my IP#. You are not privy to much here that I am aware of. You might be privy to more if you chose to register as a user, but that is your choice.
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Could you please demonstrate how Ursus has destroyed what credibility the forums have had? Again.. be specific and back up your claims.
I will tell Ursus directly. Or have you appointed yourself his guardian as well?
Mike
I need no guardian but appreciate the gesture, although I tend to doubt it was intended as such.
Where have I made "a calculatedly noncommittal or evasive statement?" Moreover, is there some kind of Mike's Law that I am violating by doing so? Last time I checked, this was within the range of complexities that human language encompasses.
More importantly: Why are you stalking me?
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""Guest""
It is from Ursus' IP. Did you think only admins were privy to that information?
It is not from my IP#. You are not privy to much here that I am aware of. You might be privy to more if you chose to register as a user, but that is your choice.
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Could you please demonstrate how Ursus has destroyed what credibility the forums have had? Again.. be specific and back up your claims.
I will tell Ursus directly. Or have you appointed yourself his guardian as well?
Mike
I need no guardian but appreciate the gesture, although I tend to doubt it was intended as such.
Where have I made "a calculatedly noncommittal or evasive statement?" Moreover, is there some kind of Mike's Law that I am violating by doing so? Last time I checked, this was within the range of complexities that human language encompasses.
More importantly: Why are you stalking me?
Ursus,
You are paranoid. First it was a Billy complex. Now it is a Mike complex. I left the Hyde forum only once, to report, in the appropriate forum, a problem about pornography. Go back and look: you and Joe started posting there after me.
You specialize in trashing reputations without backing up your claims. Defend your statement that Sumner molested Hyde boys.
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Ursus on November 05, 2007, 11:39:00 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Ursus,
You specialize in trashing reputations without backing up your claims. Defend your statement that Sumner molested Hyde boys.
Mike
Sounds to me like you are libeling me, Mike. Find my alleged statement. I have nothing to defend myself against. I never used the word "boys."
The first usage of the word "boys" was by that extremely obvious troll in the company or employ of Hyde or the Gaulds themselves sometime last night, the post you seized upon and thanked as "Friend." Any observant Reader would have immediately recognized an attempt to elicit inflammatory and ill-thought excess of language on the part of Fornits posters, possibly to be used against them at a later date. Thus far, you have been the only one to bite and sling pure mud; unfortunately for them, not in the direction they were hoping for.
Get a grip on yourself. You are playing right into their hands.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Ursus,
You specialize in trashing reputations without backing up your claims. Defend your statement that Sumner molested Hyde boys.
Mike
I have nothing to defend myself against. I never used the word "boys." .
That is all I wanted you hear you say.
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Get a grip on yourself. You are playing right into their hands.
Whose? Billy's?
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Ursus,
You specialize in trashing reputations without backing up your claims. Defend your statement that Sumner molested Hyde boys.
Mike
Sounds to me like you are libeling me, Mike. Find my alleged statement. I have nothing to defend myself against. I never used the word "boys."
The first usage of the word "boys" was by that extremely obvious troll in the company or employ of Hyde or the Gaulds themselves sometime last night, the post you seized upon and thanked as "Friend." Any observant Reader would have immediately recognized an attempt to elicit inflammatory and ill-thought excess of language on the part of Fornits posters, possibly to be used against them at a later date. Thus far, you have been the only one to bite and sling pure mud; unfortunately for them, not in the direction they were hoping for.
Get a grip on yourself. You are playing right into their hands.
I believe you used the phrase "child molester" which would imply boys, given that the allegation is homosexual pedophilia.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 12:14:14 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""Guest""
It is from Ursus' IP. Did you think only admins were privy to that information?
It is not from my IP#. You are not privy to much here that I am aware of. You might be privy to more if you chose to register as a user, but that is your choice.
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Could you please demonstrate how Ursus has destroyed what credibility the forums have had? Again.. be specific and back up your claims.
I will tell Ursus directly. Or have you appointed yourself his guardian as well?
Mike
I need no guardian but appreciate the gesture, although I tend to doubt it was intended as such.
Where have I made "a calculatedly noncommittal or evasive statement?" Moreover, is there some kind of Mike's Law that I am violating by doing so? Last time I checked, this was within the range of complexities that human language encompasses.
More importantly: Why are you stalking me?
Ursus,
You are paranoid. First it was a Billy complex. Now it is a Mike complex. I left the Hyde forum only once, to report, in the appropriate forum, a problem about pornography. Go back and look: you and Joe started posting there after me.
You specialize in trashing reputations without backing up your claims. Defend your statement that Sumner molested Hyde boys.
Mike
Prince Albert was not porn. It was an example of youth going to great length to shock in a desperate attempt to garner attention. The intent of porn is to titillate, to appeal to the puriant interest of the consumer. The Pa post was intened to shock and offend. I certainly did not post the cupchics to titillate. It was meant to be offensive.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Prince Albert was not porn. It was an example of youth going to great length to shock in a desperate attempt to garner attention. The intent of porn is to titillate, to appeal to the puriant interest of the consumer. The Pa post was intened to shock and offend. I certainly did not post the cupchics to titillate. It was meant to be offensive.
There's not enough here already to shock and offend you?
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Ursus on November 05, 2007, 12:29:11 PM
Get a grip on yourself, Mike. Find the proof of my alleged usage of this phrase before you continue making more rash libelous statements of your own. Where indeed are your scholarly standards?
Quote from: ""Mike""
I believe you used the phrase "child molester" which would imply boys, given that the allegation is homosexual pedophilia.
In fact, it would appear that you were perhaps the one to use the phrase when starting the following thread. Perhaps you did not start that thread, although that seems unlikely given the time of day it was posted. Nevertheless, I am willing to concede that you may not have. If I am not mistaken, the only post I made on that thread was quoting from Rutter, who was commenting on the appropriateness of sexual relations between therapist and client, teacher and student, guru and follower, what have you, as that is the realm that I consider Summer's indiscretions to fall under.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Prince Albert was not porn. It was an example of youth going to great length to shock in a desperate attempt to garner attention. The intent of porn is to titillate, to appeal to the puriant interest of the consumer. The Pa post was intened to shock and offend. I certainly did not post the cupchics to titillate. It was meant to be offensive.
There's not enough here already to shock and offend you?
I don't see that as the question. At the time what I felt I wanted to communicate was shock. Whether it is appropriate to shock or if enough people have been shocked, or if there is enough material on this board to shock are all questions that I did not seek to address. Now whether I have an appropriate level of impulse control for a man of my advanced years, I would see as a valid question. I am getting in touch with my inner juvenile delinquent as an expression of my unique potential.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Get a grip on yourself, Mike. Find the proof of my alleged usage of this phrase before you continue making more rash libelous statements of your own. Where indeed are your scholarly standards?
Quote from: ""Mike""
I believe you used the phrase "child molester" which would imply boys, given that the allegation is homosexual pedophilia.
In fact, it would appear that you were the one to use the phrase when starting the following thread:
I didn't write the above post which you cite as mine. Guess that makes you guilty of libel, for the umpteenth time. As a matter of fact, I recall you writing that Sumner was a child molester in numerous posts but I'm not going to waste any more time looking for them. Do you know why, Ursus? Because, beyond being a cowardly paranoid schizophrenic, you are, above all, a BORE. You write badly, you can't think straight, you are the pathetic hero of your pompous overblown tawdry little tragedy, in which you are the only actor.
Get a life, creep.
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 12:48:59 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Get a grip on yourself, Mike. Find the proof of my alleged usage of this phrase before you continue making more rash libelous statements of your own. Where indeed are your scholarly standards?
Quote from: ""Mike""
I believe you used the phrase "child molester" which would imply boys, given that the allegation is homosexual pedophilia.
In fact, it would appear that you were the one to use the phrase when starting the following thread:
I didn't write the above post which you cite as mine. Guess that makes you guilty of libel, for the umpteenth time. As a matter of fact, I recall you writing that Sumner was a child molester in numerous posts but I'm not going to waste any more time looking for them. Do you know why, Ursus? Because, beyond being a cowardly paranoid schizophrenic, you are, above all, a BORE. You write badly, you can't think straight, you are the pathetic hero of your pompous overblown tawdry little tragedy, in which you are the only actor.
Get a life, creep.
Mike
Hey, he is confusing you with me. I am flattered.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Ursus on November 05, 2007, 12:49:58 PM
Ha ha ha!! I notice how you sub-quoted. Very interesting. Go back and read the post in its entirety.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Ha ha ha!! I notice how you sub-quoted. Very interesting. Go back and read the post in its entirety.
I didn't "subquote." It just came out so. Blame it on Billy.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2007, 07:08:06 PM
Ursus,
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar and a paranoid schizophrenic. And a BORE!!
I am waiting for your response.
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Ed Legg on November 05, 2007, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Ursus,
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar and a paranoid schizophrenic. And a BORE!!
I am waiting for your response.
Mike
Mike,
That describes a lot of my "students" from back then. Did they really let Dubinsky teach English? That boy could barely speak it let alone teach it.
Hugs and Kisses
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2007, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: ""Ed Legg""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Ursus,
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply do not understand that you are a very sloppy scholar and a paranoid schizophrenic. And a BORE!!
I am waiting for your response.
Mike
Mike,
That describes a lot of my "students" from back then. Did they really let Dubinsky teach English? That boy could barely speak it let alone teach it.
Hugs and Kisses
Ed,
That last Mike post wasn't from the real McCoy. I don't repeat myself. Perhaps it was Billy.
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
Che,
I'm having a hard time reconciling the position of moral authority that you occupy as a forum moderator on Fornits with the Sumner Hawley poll you have started on this Hyde Schools forum where you are not a moderator. It really looks to me, not like a bona fide poll, but rather like character assassination for your own private pleasure. Would you be so kind as to remove this poll, with a formal apology, using your avatar?
Thank you for demonstrating the moral qualities that your position as forum moderator demands.
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2007, 12:23:46 AM
:lol:
This mike guy is good for a laugh.
Che Gookin
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2007, 12:52:22 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
:lol:
This mike guy is good for a laugh.
Che Gookin
Say that under the Che avatar.
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2007, 01:19:14 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
:lol:
This mike guy is good for a laugh.
Che Gookin
Say that under the Che avatar.
Mike
:rofl: And your avatar is...?
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2007, 01:31:46 AM
Nice try, troll.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2007, 01:34:01 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Nice try, troll.
I mean URSUS. I'm not done with you.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Che Gookin on November 08, 2007, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
:lol:
This mike guy is good for a laugh.
Che Gookin
Say that under the Che avatar.
Mike
This guy mike is good for a laugh.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 09:33:21 AM
YES! YES! YES!
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 09:42:28 AM
Id like to vote yes too, but anonymous wont let me in the poll.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 09:56:53 AM
///This guy mike is good for a laugh.\ :rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
///This guy mike is good for a laugh.\ :rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
So you can hack and delete the posts. Big deal. You can delete the whole forum, for all I care. I actually like the idea.
Mike
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 10:05:45 AM
huh? what hacking + deleting?
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 10:09:28 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
huh? what hacking + deleting?
You're right. I'm jumping around too much.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Id like to vote yes too, but anonymous wont let me in the poll.
i think only lregistered users can. this hawley guy sounds like a real piece f work.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 10:28:06 AM
he smelld like a long time drinker i feel bad to say that, but its tru
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 10:32:41 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
he smelld like a long time drinker i feel bad to say that, but its tru
Why do you feel bad to say that? You libeled him as a child molester. That's did make you feel bad?
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
he smelld like a long time drinker i feel bad to say that, but its tru
Why do you feel bad to say that? You libeled him as a child molester. That didn't make you feel bad?
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 10:38:31 AM
WHA? you need help, man.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 10:42:43 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Convince me you're not Ursus or some other fraud. Saying "Oh, he was a drunk" is just a little too easy. I never smelled the booze.
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
he smelld like a long time drinker i feel bad to say that, but its tru
Why don't you just tell us?
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2007, 12:22:33 AM
I think we can collectively answer the original poll as a resounding YES!
Title: Did Sumner Hawley have sexual relations with students?
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2007, 07:04:29 AM
he was more tied to Hyde by his weaknesses than by his strengths