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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 02, 2007, 08:59:00 AM
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Was anyone else molested by this freak?
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Was anyone else molested by this freak?
ps.. anyone up for trolling the wiki site?
I think that lemonparty.org link would be much better on a pro-hyde wiki.
I'll be rooting for you. Leave poor old Sumner Hawley out of it, though. I don't want to besmirch his memory because of something someone overheard on the subway.
My vote is to stop slander a old dead guy as long as we can still slander the living Hydies with impunity.
I think there's enough to indict Hyde on if we confine ourselves to our own personal experiences.
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Was anyone else molested by this freak?
I think there's enough to indict Hyde on if we confine ourselves to our own personal experiences.
The case that I know of involves someone who is still a bit "out there" and will probably not be of much help to you. PM me or email me privately if you want to know more details.
I think a lot of former students feel affection and/or protective feelings towards Sumner because -- despite all of his shortcomings -- he was one of the few Hyde faculty who was actually a bona fide intellectual, and because he was generally not the worst at eviscerating someone in Seminar/Discovery Group.
That said, I think a lot of his "kindness" was more rooted in fear for his own skin than people like to allow. Regardless of intent, or even consciousness thereof, he was capable of disseminating some underhanded untruths when doing so would be of potential political advantage for him later on. And the kind of white lie involving errors of omission, however egregious those omissions might be, was classic for him.
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Was anyone else molested by this freak?
Are you saying you were?
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Was anyone else molested by this freak?
Are you saying you were?
hell yeah the old fuck fondled my junk!
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sounds to me like Mike and Sumner used to pull the train together.
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sounds to me like Mike and Sumner used to pull the train together.
I liked old Sumner. He read one of my English compositions to all his English classes, he was always supportive of my "different" interpretations of the literature we were studying, and during the senior graduation vote he was one of a few who voted that I deserved to graduate with a diploma. His votes of confidence were balm to my self-confidence amid the emotional bashings I received daily for two years from my teachers and peers of better character. I never interpreted Sumner's sympathy for me as sexual advances, and in fact I'm surprised at his rumored homosexuality. But I would have no problem with that if it were true. For me, Sumner will always be the model of what a Hyde teacher should be.
Mike
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im sure dubinsky would appreciate your wrintg one of those jobs for him too.
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im sure dubinsky would appreciate your wrintg one of those jobs for him too.
Larry Dubinsky and a few others in the senior leadership crowd would scoff and snigger at my often differing point of view in English class. I don't think Sumner much cared for Larry. Larry went on to become a Hyde School English teacher.
Mike
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sounds to me like Mike and Sumner used to pull the train together.
I liked old Sumner. He read one of my English compositions to all his English classes, he was always supportive of my "different" interpretations of the literature we were studying, and during the senior graduation vote he was one of a few who voted that I deserved to graduate with a diploma. His votes of confidence were balm to my self-confidence amid the emotional bashings I received daily for two years from my teachers and peers of better character. I never interpreted Sumner's sympathy for me as sexual advances, and in fact I'm surprised at his rumored homosexuality. But I would have no problem with that if it were true. For me, Sumner will always be the model of what a Hyde teacher should be.
Mike
So You did pull the train.. did you get to play caboose or locomotive?
Besides the only good image of a Hyde teacher is a dead hyde teacher. So Hawly pushing up daisys actually does fill my ideal vision of a model hyde teacher.
Rest in hell you fucking old lech!
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Being gay in a homophobic place would have explained Sumner's encouragement of diversity, his sympathy for the underdog, and his empathy for minority points of view.
Incidentally, in one seminar we were asked to raise our hand if we had had at least one homosexual experience. Of us thirty or so students aged 14-18, nearly everyone raised their hand. It was a revelation for me, a real Kinsey report.
Mike
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Calling Mr. Hawley gay is an insult to the entire concept of homosexuality. Please don't compare that vile creature to any member of the homosexual community when in fact he might be guilty of being a pedophile.
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Calling Mr. Hawley gay is an insult to the entire concept of homosexuality. Please don't compare that vile creature to any member of the homosexual community when in fact he might be guilty of being a pedophile.
Sorry, Ursus. Your credibility is nil.
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Calling Mr. Hawley gay is an insult to the entire concept of homosexuality. Please don't compare that vile creature to any member of the homosexual community when in fact he might be guilty of being a pedophile.
Sorry, Ursus. Your credibility is nil.
Sorry, Mike, that was not me. In fact, it seems almost as though you've been calling a lot of people "Ursus" lately when you don't agree with them or wish to disparage them. This is not the "Big Balls" way.
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Tweed and gayness go together like sushi and wasabi. I am flattered to have a grand old fag like Sumnie counted among my promoters. There is a special bond between an old english prof and a returning alum. Ursus can fill you in on the details.
Kisses and a special squeeze,
Concept of Homosexuality
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Tweed and gayness go together like sushi and wasabi. I am flattered to have a grand old fag like Sumnie counted among my promoters. There is a special bond between an old english prof and a returning alum. Ursus can fill you in on the details.
Kisses and a special squeeze,
Concept of Homosexuality
Yeah, fill me in on the details, Ursus. While you're at it, you can defend your statement that Sumner was a pedophile.
Mike
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Being gay in a homophobic place would have explained Sumner's encouragement of diversity, his sympathy for the underdog, and his empathy for minority points of view.
I remember one class -- it was being held in the science lab; many non-science classes were held there, there being only so many classrooms -- and Sumner went off on a diversionary tangent about his growing up years. He didn't go into specifics, rather talked about the cruelty and intolerance of youth, and finished up his little revelatory bit by saying if he had to live it all over again, he would never go back. He repeated the last phrase for emphasis, shaking his head in negation: "NEVER go back." At that point, he whipped his head up and stared right at me sitting at the back. I was afraid to look away. I knew exactly what he was talking about, and he knew that I knew and perhaps intended me to.
Consequently, not specifically because of that moment, although it certainly crystallized it for me in memory, I always felt very protective of Sumner and tended to only see his positive side. It wasn't 'till years later, when one of those returning alums confided in me, that I began to see the larger picture. Even then, I did not want to believe it at first myself. But other inconsistencies with my former picture also began to emerge, incidents of toadying and untruths spoken, etc. And more, but I am not going to go into that here right now.
I think the climate Sumner endured whilst growing up certainly did a number on him, and may well have stigmatized him for life. And I don't think it helped being at Hyde. But it does not excuse what he did to others, it merely helps explain why he was the way he was. I don't think I am being disloyal to Sumner's memory by acknowledging the damage he did to others by preying on their vulnerabilities, should they have been hapless enough to return to the old stomping ground. Rather, I am exploring yet one more facet of the blatant hypocrisy of Hyde's niche in the character-development market.
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Incidentally, in one seminar we were asked to raise our hand if we had had at least one homosexual experience. Of us thirty or so students aged 14-18, nearly everyone raised their hand. It was a revelation for me, a real Kinsey report.
Yeah, I can remember a seminar like that. I also remember leading-up-to discussion stipulated that the characterization of "a homosexual experience" included being approached by a homosexual, knowing someone who was a homosexual, or having ever had a homosexual thought, even if along the lines of "wonder what it's like." One of our classmates was then currently being persecuted by the entire school for claiming they were a homosexual and that's just the way it naturally was for them, so I raised my hand.
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Being gay in a homophobic place would have explained Sumner's encouragement of diversity, his sympathy for the underdog, and his empathy for minority points of view.
I remember one class -- it was being held in the science lab; many non-science classes were held there, there being only so many classrooms -- and Sumner went off on a diversionary tangent about his growing up years. He didn't go into specifics, rather talked about the cruelty and intolerance of youth, and finished up his little revelatory bit by saying if he had to live it all over again, he would never go back. He repeated the last phrase for emphasis, shaking his head in negation: "NEVER go back." At that point, he whipped his head up and stared right at me sitting at the back. I was afraid to look away. I knew exactly what he was talking about, and he knew that I knew and perhaps intended me to.
Consequently, not specifically because of that moment, although it certainly crystallized it for me in memory, I always felt very protective of Sumner and tended to only see his positive side. It wasn't 'till years later, when one of those returning alums confided in me, that I began to see the larger picture. Even then, I did not want to believe it at first myself. But other inconsistencies with my former picture also began to emerge, incidents of toadying and untruths spoken, etc. And more, but I am not going to go into that here right now.
I think the climate Sumner endured whilst growing up certainly did a number on him, and may well have stigmatized him for life. And I don't think it helped being at Hyde. But it does not excuse what he did to others, it merely helps explain why he was the way he was. I don't think I am being disloyal to Sumner's memory by acknowledging the damage he did to others by preying on their vulnerabilities, should they have been hapless enough to return to the old stomping ground. Rather, I am exploring yet one more facet of the blatant hypocrisy of Hyde's niche in the character-development market.
Ursus,
I am not interested in your telepathic episode with Sumner. Every schizophrenic who writes in many voices has such episodes. I am interested in hard facts and evidence. Either defend your claims that Sumner was a homosexual and, moreover, a homosexual pedophile while a Hyde, or shut up. I think you are disgusting, not to say extremely sick, to trash people's reputations on the basis of your unfounded and unsubstantiated innuendoes and suggestions.
Mike
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"By His passion shall ye know Him."
ergo
By his passion shall ye know him.
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By his passion shall ye know him.
Ursus,
If you are suggesting I am gay or even had such an experience, you are wrong. If you are suggesting that I think you are a lying, dishonest, underhanded, maipulative psychotic, you are right.
I am still waiting for your defense.
Mike
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I was actually talking about you, and not in the least bit "suggestive" about anything. You fling out a lot of hostile names -- enraged 'cuz your mentor and ally turned out to be a human being, a real mixed bag, just like the rest of us -- and you just have to try to discredit me by calling me a liar, dishonest, underhanded, a "maipulative psychotic," possibly even schizophrenic. You tell me to "shut up." You deliberately misquote me along with that lemonparty link and attempt to convey the lie that I post porn. And if nobody notices that you've done this, you have to bring it up until people do. Incidentally, that is called libel. Whenever you disagree with someone or wish to disparage them, you call them "Ursus." You follow and stalk me wherever I post on this forum, not just here on Hyde board.
Wow. That's a lot of heat, Mike, a lot of passion. I don't think I've ever said anything to you to warrant that kind of attention. Makes me wonder about you. By his passion shall ye know him.
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I was actually talking about you, and not in the least bit "suggestive" about anything. You fling out a lot of hostile names -- enraged 'cuz your mentor and ally turned out to be a human being, a real mixed bag, just like the rest of us -- and you just have to try to discredit me by calling me a liar, dishonest, underhanded, a "maipulative psychotic," possibly even schizophrenic. You tell me to "shut up." You deliberately misquote me along with that lemonparty link and attempt to convey the lie that I post porn. And if nobody notices that you've done this, you have to bring it up until people do. Incidentally, that is called libel. Whenever you disagree with someone or wish to disparage them, you call them "Ursus." You follow and stalk me wherever I post on this forum, not just here on Hyde board.
Wow. That's a lot of heat, Mike, a lot of passion. I don't think I've ever said anything to you to warrant that kind of attention. Makes me wonder about you. By his passion shall ye know him.
Ursus,
You are schizophrenic. Do you want a second opinion? Okay, you are paranoid.
If you don't like the heat, don't play with fire. I'll libel until you prove to me that you aren't libelling Sumner, among others.
I am still waiting for your defense.
Mike
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I fucked your mother, Mike...
She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!
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I fucked your mother, Mike...
She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :wave:
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"]You are schizophrenic. Do you want a second opinion? Okay, you are paranoid.
If you don't like the heat, don't play with fire. I'll libel until you prove to me that you aren't libelling Sumner, among others.
I am still waiting for your defense.
Mike
this is why i dont like t post here. morons like this :roll:
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I fucked your mother, Mike...
She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!
Is that really the best you can do? This brings to mind the Firesign Theater. "How can you be in two places at once when you are really no where at all." How can you in one instance in contact with returning alums and be excommunicated from the school.
The claims that ol' Sumnie molested little boys holds as much water at the assertion that you did Mike's mom.
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I fucked your mother, Mike...
She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!
Is that really the best you can do? This brings to mind the Firesign Theater. "How can you be in two places at once when you are really no where at all." How can you in one instance in contact with returning alums and be excommunicated from the school.
The claims that ol' Sumnie molested little boys holds as much water at the assertion that you did Mike's mom.
Well, I'll be a sulphur-fartin' monkey's uncle!!! If it ain't good friends and fambly from Maine, har har har!!! Yer loyalty has me tickled pink right down to my toesies. An' tryin' their bestest ta sound like my main man red-legged Del Geg!!! Oooo-weee! Gimmee sum mo of that smelly cheese to go with these fries, har har!!
Nobody said nuttin' 'bout lil boys, my dears! It's called a MIND FUCK fer a reason, and ol' Sumnie liked a little more mind to give it the old shaft, if ya catch my drift, Har-de-har-har-har!!!!
Tooo much, babycakes!!! Glad ta have ya on board!!!
Gettin' all my Mainahs ta visit the forniscators,
Joseph W. Gauld, The Educator
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I fucked your mother, Mike...
She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!
Is that really the best you can do? This brings to mind the Firesign Theater. "How can you be in two places at once when you are really no where at all." How can you in one instance in contact with returning alums and be excommunicated from the school.
The claims that ol' Sumnie molested little boys holds as much water at the assertion that you did Mike's mom.
Friend,
Thank you for not remaining neutral.
Mike
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Well, Sumner was one of the offending sexual predators, and considered by some (depending on the source you read), one of the founders of Hyde School, along with Joe Gauld, of course.
I believe the consortium you are looking for will be made up of many souls, who perhaps share a golfing past time, or who sell real estate amongst each other. Perhaps even antique furniture? And there will be an attorney or two thrown in there, for sure...
Ursus,
Now you're Joe Gauld? You've finally found your true calling in life.
I'm still waiting for your defense.
Mike
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And yet we only have your word that Summie didn't molest any of the students.
Be an interesting poll.
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And yet we only have your word that Summie didn't molest any of the students.
Be an interesting poll.
Che,
Polls are meaningless. Hundreds of pretenders will crawl out of the woodwork. Every one of them will cast a hundred votes. Such vermin pullulate.
So far we've only the word of Ursus, who won't defend his claim. Read his last Joe Gauld post carefully. He's already backing away from it, hedging.
Mike
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So where is your defense of Sumner Hawley?
What do you bring to the table that can clear this man's name? So far I see Ursus with a first hand account of an alumni claiming some serious sexual misconduct.
You are just posting lemonparty links and whining.
Did you learn this at hyde?
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So where is your defense of Sumner Hawley?
What do you bring to the table that can clear this man's name? So far I see Ursus with a first hand account of an alumni claiming some serious sexual misconduct.
You are just posting lemonparty links and whining.
Did you learn this at hyde?
Che,
Interesting new concept. Guilty until proven innocent. You impress me more and more as the legal genius that you are.
Find this first-hand account of Ursus. Post it now.
Mike
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So where is your defense of Sumner Hawley?
What do you bring to the table that can clear this man's name? So far I see Ursus with a first hand account of an alumni claiming some serious sexual misconduct.
You are just posting lemonparty links and whining.
Did you learn this at hyde?
Che,
Interesting new concept. Guilty until proven innocent. You impress me more and more as the legal genius that you are.
Find this first-hand account of Ursus. Post it now.
Mike
JFK is alive. I dare you to prove otherwise. Lets have a poll. How many of you thinks JFK is alive?
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think Urs just posted that an alum told him personally of 1. the other 1 was posted by anon on the Honer thred and was th other one he mentioned?
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think Urs just posted that an alum told him personally of 1. the other 1 was posted by anon on the Honer thred and was th other one he mentioned?
If you crawl back throught this crap I think you will find a report by Ursus that some one told him that they had sex with Sumner after they had graduated and returned. Two points:
1) this is not a first person narrative
2) if it were in fact true it would be a consensual relation between adults.
One coment:
What does this really have to do with Hyde? The fact that the staff knew Sumnie was queer and covered up? Personally I think he was bi and is actually Gigi's father. Should we have a poll on that?
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Well it is a story told to Ursus. Ursus retells the story. If F(x) map into the new domain and is one to one and the function only modifies syntax and not semantic then it is not a problem. My sense is that the probability of F(x) being such a function are pretty low.
Well said!
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think Urs just posted that an alum told him personally of 1. the other 1 was posted by anon on the Honer thred and was th other one he mentioned?
Well it is a story told to Ursus. Ursus retells the story.
Sounds like Ursus told the story while informing that the story was told. So why all the flames? You guys not getting enough pussy?
If that were all there would be no argument. Ursus changed it from consensual sex between adults to homosexual child buggery. Do a handful of dexys and reread his posts.
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think Urs just posted that an alum told him personally of 1. the other 1 was posted by anon on the Honer thred and was th other one he mentioned?
Well it is a story told to Ursus. Ursus retells the story.
Sounds like Ursus told the story while informing that the story was told. So why all the flames? You guys not getting enough pussy?
If that were all there would be no argument. Ursus changed it from consensual sex between adults to homosexual child buggery. Do a handful of dexys and reread his posts.
I've read the posts. Be more specific and back up your claims. So far I've seen nothing to support those claims. Your own posts, though, contain porn links, call a lot of anons ursus and make vague hostile allegations.
There is nothing vague or hostile about it. FWIW Ursus does the same thing to Mike
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think Urs just posted that an alum told him personally of 1. the other 1 was posted by anon on the Honer thred and was th other one he mentioned?
Well it is a story told to Ursus. Ursus retells the story.
Sounds like Ursus told the story while informing that the story was told. So why all the flames? You guys not getting enough pussy?
If that were all there would be no argument. Ursus changed it from consensual sex between adults to homosexual child buggery. Do a handful of dexys and reread his posts.
I've read the posts. Be more specific and back up your claims. So far I've seen nothing to support those claims. Your own posts, though, contain porn links, call a lot of anons ursus and make vague hostile allegations.
There is nothing vague or hostile about it. FWIW Ursus does the same thing to Mike
You're right, Che. Ursus never slandered anyone. Just a lot of anons with Ursus's same grudges against Sumner writing in Ursus's same style, all alleging homosexual pedophilia. We're all nuts. Ursus is sane. And Hyde is having a good laugh.
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think Urs just posted that an alum told him personally of 1. the other 1 was posted by anon on the Honer thred and was th other one he mentioned?
Well it is a story told to Ursus. Ursus retells the story.
Sounds like Ursus told the story while informing that the story was told. So why all the flames? You guys not getting enough pussy?
If that were all there would be no argument. Ursus changed it from consensual sex between adults to homosexual child buggery. Do a handful of dexys and reread his posts.
I've read the posts. Be more specific and back up your claims. So far I've seen nothing to support those claims. Your own posts, though, contain porn links, call a lot of anons ursus and make vague hostile allegations.
There is nothing vague or hostile about it. FWIW Ursus does the same thing to Mike
You're right, Che. Ursus never slandered anyone. Just a lot of anons with Ursus's same grudges against Sumner writing in Ursus's same style, all alleging homosexual pedophilia. We're all nuts. Ursus is sane. And Hyde is having a good laugh.
Hyde is baffling and cunning disease. That is why we need to put principles before personalities in our efforts at recovery. When we seek to blame individual players for our disease it is the disease talking, trying to rationalize and alibi the sickness deep in our souls. We try to justify our time at Hyde, instead of taking responsibility. We need to accept, let go and seek our true unique potential.
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Be more specific and back up your claims. I don't have time to listen to whiners.
How do YOU know someone else didn't post those? Coming from people who only post as anons, why would I even listen to this shit?
Thanks for helping us reach our unique potential, Che. You've raised the level of discourse to an all-time high. You come back and moderate for us often.
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Be more specific and back up your claims. I don't have time to listen to whiners.
How do YOU know someone else didn't post those? Coming from people who only post as anons, why would I even listen to this shit?
Thanks for helping us reach our unique potential, Che. You've raised the level of discourse to an all-time high. You come back and moderate for us often.
I think all of you are missing the point. The complaint is that Hyde stands behind staff who they know are inappropriate with students. We know for a fact that Dubinsky diddled at least one student. The docs are on the internet and the Mother came to this board to confirm. Where there is smoke there is fire and it is evident from Hyde's handling of the Dubinsky case that there are probably many more incidences like this that are undocumented. I do not know Sumner Hawley but Ursus has said that a student did report to him that Sumner had been inappropriate.
In my correspondence with Ursus he has always been honest and upfront other than not wanting to give his name. I don't believe he would make this up. It is obvious that Ursus has deep wounds caused by Hyde. Somebody at Hyde inflicted some kind of pain on him that has stayed with him for years. This is not something to make fun of or throw names. the man is in pain guys! Name calling on this site is not going to help get the word out about the danger at Hyde. Please lets try to keep this website clean and informative. If you want to insult each other, why don't you PM each other and then get in touch.
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Be more specific and back up your claims. I don't have time to listen to whiners.
How do YOU know someone else didn't post those? Coming from people who only post as anons, why would I even listen to this shit?
Thanks for helping us reach our unique potential, Che. You've raised the level of discourse to an all-time high. You come back and moderate for us often.
I think all of you are missing the point. The complaint is that Hyde stands behind staff who they know are inappropriate with students. We know for a fact that Dubinsky diddled at least one student. The docs are on the internet and the Mother came to this board to confirm. Where there is smoke there is fire and it is evident from Hyde's handling of the Dubinsky case that there are probably many more incidences like this that are undocumented. I do not know Sumner Hawley but Ursus has said that a student did report to him that Sumner had been inappropriate.
In my correspondence with Ursus he has always been honest and upfront other than not wanting to give his name. I don't believe he would make this up. It is obvious that Ursus has deep wounds caused by Hyde. Somebody at Hyde inflicted some kind of pain on him that has stayed with him for years. This is not something to make fun of or throw names. the man is in pain guys! Name calling on this site is not going to help get the word out about the danger at Hyde. Please lets try to keep this website clean and informative. If you want to insult each other, why don't you PM each other and then get in touch.
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Be more specific and back up your claims. I don't have time to listen to whiners.
How do YOU know someone else didn't post those? Coming from people who only post as anons, why would I even listen to this shit?
Thanks for helping us reach our unique potential, Che. You've raised the level of discourse to an all-time high. You come back and moderate for us often.
I think all of you are missing the point. The complaint is that Hyde stands behind staff who they know are inappropriate with students. We know for a fact that Dubinsky diddled at least one student. The docs are on the internet and the Mother came to this board to confirm. Where there is smoke there is fire and it is evident from Hyde's handling of the Dubinsky case that there are probably many more incidences like this that are undocumented. I do not know Sumner Hawley but Ursus has said that a student did report to him that Sumner had been inappropriate.
In my correspondence with Ursus he has always been honest and upfront other than not wanting to give his name. I don't believe he would make this up. It is obvious that Ursus has deep wounds caused by Hyde. Somebody at Hyde inflicted some kind of pain on him that has stayed with him for years. This is not something to make fun of or throw names. the man is in pain guys! Name calling on this site is not going to help get the word out about the danger at Hyde. Please lets try to keep this website clean and informative. If you want to insult each other, why don't you PM each other and then get in touch.
I for one am not missing the point. The point is a dead guy who, to many of us was one of the few good teachers at Hyde has been slandered. There is now a poll to decide if this is in fact the truth.
Lets have some leadership by example instead of the finger wagging. Take down that poll for a start.
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Take down that poll for a start.
No. You don't call the shots here.
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Take down that poll for a start.
No. You don't call the shots here.
That is for sure. So I don't know if this is first blood on the child molester thing but here is what I would consider to be that accusation abet in different words:
Well, Sumner was one of the offending sexual predators, and considered by some (depending on the source you read), one of the founders of Hyde School, along with Joe Gauld, of course.
I believe the consortium you are looking for will be made up of many souls, who perhaps share a golfing past time, or who sell real estate amongst each other. Perhaps even antique furniture? And there will be an attorney or two thrown in there, for sure...
Now we don't know who wrote that, just like you don't know who I am, at least not all of you do out of the audience of what, 10 people that read this shit, but I am sure it was not me.
Perhaps the person that Sumnah groomed was Ursus.[/quote]
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Take down that poll for a start.
No. You don't call the shots here.
That is for sure. So I don't know if this is first blood on the child molester thing but here is what I would consider to be that accusation abet in different words:
Well, Sumner was one of the offending sexual predators, and considered by some (depending on the source you read), one of the founders of Hyde School, along with Joe Gauld, of course.
I believe the consortium you are looking for will be made up of many souls, who perhaps share a golfing past time, or who sell real estate amongst each other. Perhaps even antique furniture? And there will be an attorney or two thrown in there, for sure...
Now we don't know who wrote that, just like you don't know who I am, at least not all of you do out of the audience of what, 10 people that read this shit, but I am sure it was not me.
Perhaps the person that Sumnah groomed was Ursus.
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Emil,
Why bandy words with illiterate 3rd-grade kids? Truth is not one of their criteria, and this forum has collapsed as a source of factual information. Find other friends.
Mike
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Good question and good advice.
http://www.reunion.com/emil_night3423x (http://www.reunion.com/emil_night3423x)
Hunter Thompson is my inspiration for shooting TV sets.
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Sexual Predator: look it up in the dictionary.
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Sexual Predator: look it up in the dictionary.
Ask the Supreme Court
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20011024.html (http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20011024.html)
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Sexual Predator: look it up in the dictionary.
Ask the Supreme Court
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20011024.html (http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20011024.html)
that was "violent sexual predator" = not same
court finds distinction between violent and nonviolent
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Sexual Predator: look it up in the dictionary.
Ask the Supreme Court
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20011024.html (http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20011024.html)
that was "violent sexual predator" = not same
court finds distinction between violent and nonviolent
bingo i win.
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guy trying to hard picking up chix ina bar = sexual predator to some
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The term sexual predator is used pejoratively to describe a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically predatory manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to "hunt" for his or her sex partners. People who commit sex crimes, such as rape or child sexual abuse, are commonly referred to as sexual predators, particularly in tabloid media or as a power phrase by politicians.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_predator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_predator)
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The term is applied according to a person's moral beliefs, and does not necessarily denote criminal behaviour. For example, an adult male who cruises a bar looking for consensual sex from an adult female could be considered a sexual predator by some.
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Distinction from sex offenders
The term "sexual predator" is often considered distinct from "sex offender". Many U.S. states also see these differences legally. A sexual offender is a person who has offended another sexually. A sexual predator is often used to refer to a person who habitually seeks out sexual situations.
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What governor signed it? Did they have ties to Joe Gauld? Did they have ties to Jean Gannett Hawley, chairman of the board of Gannett Newspapers in Portland, Maine, whose husband Sumner taught at Hyde and was one of Joe Gauld's closest friends?[/quote]
Well, Sumner was one of the offending sexual predators, and considered by some (depending on the source you read), one of the founders of Hyde School, along with Joe Gauld, of course.
I believe the consortium you are looking for will be made up of many souls, who perhaps share a golfing past time, or who sell real estate amongst each other. Perhaps even antique furniture? And there will be an attorney or two thrown in there, for sure...[/quote]
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a person who habitually seeks out sexual situations.
Damn, and my wife thinks I am just horny. Don't tell her. O.K?
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The term sexual predator is used pejoratively to describe a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically predatory manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to "hunt" for his or her sex partners. People who commit sex crimes, such as rape or child sexual abuse, are commonly referred to as sexual predators, particularly in tabloid media or as a power phrase by politicians.
If this is a correct definition then this would make Larry Dubinsky a sexual predator. He sought out the prettiest girls each year to "mentor." This mentoring included taking them off for private outings, having them babysit for him while his wife was out of town, and taking advantage of whatever body contact he could get away with when he was alone with these girls. He was not simply an english teacher as another poster mentioned. Hyde helped him with his prey by appointing him to oversee the Deans area where he could question the kids about sex, drugs and anything else he wanted. Rather than taking these duties away from him, Hyde simply made him start keeping the door open when he had female students in his office. Great way of dealing with this pervert, ha!
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The term sexual predator is used pejoratively to describe a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically predatory manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to "hunt" for his or her sex partners. People who commit sex crimes, such as rape or child sexual abuse, are commonly referred to as sexual predators, particularly in tabloid media or as a power phrase by politicians.
If this is a correct definition then this would make Larry Dubinsky a sexual predator. He sought out the prettiest girls each year to "mentor." This mentoring included taking them off for private outings, having them babysit for him while his wife was out of town, and taking advantage of whatever body contact he could get away with when he was alone with these girls. He was not simply an english teacher as another poster mentioned. Hyde helped him with his prey by appointing him to oversee the Deans area where he could question the kids about sex, drugs and anything else he wanted. Rather than taking these duties away from him, Hyde simply made him start keeping the door open when he had female students in his office. Great way of dealing with this pervert, ha!
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I like to slander Sumner Hawley, strangers, and ex-friends who no longer share my opinions.
Ladies and gentlemen.....[chirp... chirp] ok, ok, fornicators and fuckwads, this is actually a serious issue. Sue has put us smack dab in the middle of one of the most important first amendment issues of the day. Technically, leagally, you can call her a cunt and a whore and even joke about her religion (hint to those who lack a sense of humour, she's no jewish) but that really just garners her sympathy from people who haven't got the time or interest to study the real issues. These folks make up the vast majority of the public.
It is reprehensible that she would victimize children and families once by refering them to abusive programs, then twice by legal bullying when the victims try to speak out. It's beyond the pale that she would pretend to be an advocate for these same victims and threaten, bully and sue the hell out of anyone who dares to ask questions like "To which programs and schools do you refer?", "Exactly how do you go about ensuring that they're safe and effective?" and "How do you make your money?" It would be laughable that she would send off silly, fallacious letters like the ones to Godaddy and Netfirms, till you consider the state of our tort and business world that made those works of fiction effective. That's worth crying over.
But now it's different. This demand letter comes from an actual law firm. And it doesn't read like Boss Hog like some of the other legal letters I've seen coming from this industry. These guys might be smart. And if they are, they're chortling from here over all the silly shit you guys are posting. If you want to help the Fornits and, while we're at it, help to discourage the sort of things Sue Scheff does, please stick to the real.
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Back to the topic. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better by knowing Mr. Hawley, but I think that boost would have taken a big nose dive if you came back to visit or teach, only for a come-on from him. Was that the "unique potential" he saw when he stuck up for you? Was he just out of touch, or maybe were his jollies in question?
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Back to the topic. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better by knowing Mr. Hawley, but I think that boost would have taken a big nose dive if you came back to visit or teach, only for a come-on from him. Was that the "unique potential" he saw when he stuck up for you? Was he just out of touch, or maybe were his jollies in question?
Far cry from sexual predator, in the Ursine sense.
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Sounds kind of predatory to me.
You calling me Urses too? Get real. Get back to the topic.
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Back to the topic. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better by knowing Mr. Hawley, but I think that boost would have taken a big nose dive if you came back to visit or teach, only for a come-on from him. Was that the "unique potential" he saw when he stuck up for you? Was he just out of touch, or maybe were his jollies in question?
Were you the victim of this come-on from him?
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Back to the topic. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better by knowing Mr. Hawley, but I think that boost would have taken a big nose dive if you came back to visit or teach, only for a come-on from him. Was that the "unique potential" he saw when he stuck up for you? Was he just out of touch, or maybe were his jollies in question?
I for one would need to know what you were talking about. There was a story about a guy that came back to work for that road show the school did. There is a story, unsubstantiated, that he had some kid of sexual relation with Sumner. If that were true I would say it was a break of trust in the same way that Joe and AVH was, but not sexual predation. But look at another case.
A returning alum is getting the wood put to her in the Penthouse dorm by a teacher. Enough so the sound is traveling though the walls to the students rooms. Sound pretty smarmy. Fill in the names and it seems like good old fashion sex between consenting adults.
I hope you know what you are talking about when you throw this kind of crap out into a public forum, Fuck the lawyers, karma will get you man.
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Back to the topic. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better by knowing Mr. Hawley, but I think that boost would have taken a big nose dive if you came back to visit or teach, only for a come-on from him. Was that the "unique potential" he saw when he stuck up for you? Was he just out of touch, or maybe were his jollies in question?
I for one would need to know what you were talking about. There was a story about a guy that came back to work for that road show the school did. There is a story, unsubstantiated, that he had some kid of sexual relation with Sumner. If that were true I would say it was a break of trust in the same way that Joe and AVH was, but not sexual predation. But look at another case.
A returning alum is getting the wood put to her in the Penthouse dorm by a teacher. Enough so the sound is traveling though the walls to the students rooms. Sound pretty smarmy. Fill in the names and it seems like good old fashion sex between consenting adults.
I hope you know what you are talking about when you throw this kind of crap out into a public forum, Fuck the lawyers, karma will get you man.
Personally, I do consider it to be sexual predation. I also consider Joe Gauld's involvement with the former student AVH to be in that same category: sexual predation. It may not be "criminal" from the standpoint of the American legal system, since we are talking about returning alums, but I still consider it to be predatory in nature. That's my opinion, and I stand by it. You can call me any name you'd like, if it makes you feel you have bigger balls. You might also want to consider the possibility that you'll only be shooting yourself in the foot.
Hyde has had plenty of other cases which were criminal; I certainly do not need to add to that list, it's plenty long enough as it is. And as you well know, I never called it "child molestation." And I never used the term "boys." That is, with respect to Sumner Hawley. Some people need to get a handle on their riled up imaginations and put their petty personal vendettas to rest.
You can rattle on about karma all you want; I am still entitled to my opinion. I'd like to see how you would feel about knowingly sending your kids to an institution which has a history of kids and alums being subjected to these kinds of shenanigans. I would venture that you chose to forgo that pleasure.
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Let me once again pull out that quote from the Topica list (http://http://lists.topica.com/lists/elijaxonbear-gangajidisgraced/read/message.html?sort=&mid=913389104&start=7) which discusses Rutter, emphasis mine:
Rutter takes the position that a "forbidden zone always exists in the relationship between doctor and patient, therapist and client, clergyman and congregant, lawyer and client, teacher and student. All of these professions carry a special trust not to abuse the seen or unseen dependent elements that inevitably develop." Because of the greater power of the professional, the client is unable to give truly informed consent, and it is thus the responsibility of the person in the more powerful position to control the necessary boundary between the two parties.
"Amorous relationships that might be appropriate in other circumstances are always wrong when they occur between any teacher or officer and any student for whom he or she has a professional responsibility. Further, such relationships may have the effect of undermining the atmosphere of trust on which the educational process depends. Implicit in the idea of professionalism is the recognition by those in positions of authority that in their relationships with students there is always an element of power. It is incumbent upon those with authority not to abuse, nor seem to abuse, the power with which they are entrusted."
Let's now pull up a picture of the circumstances. While still students, these alums were subjected to and participated in an "experiment" (Hyde's term) of thought coercion and behavior modification for a small number of years. During that time, faculty were considered next to God as far as having any kind of moral authority is concerned, and on a more mundane level, had the capacity to determine in very real ways a student's success or failure in the system, let alone their ability to even graduate. Since Hyde's system of awarding certificates, let alone diplomas, is SO subjective and amenable to intervention on the part of even a single faculty member, the power of this position can not be underestimated.
Said alums come back for a visit, or to teach, whatever, after a few years of college. Tell me that you wouldn't be pulled right back into that same mindset you were in previously, during the formative years of your youth! You are right there, in the same environment, the same power structure still in place, most of the same people still there, the same campus, the same smells, the same routine... After all, it has only been a couple of years. And then, while you are there, one of your teachers, or Gauld himself, lets it be known to you that their interest in you is less than platonic. What would YOU do?
I think most normal people's reaction would be to run for the hills. But... you've been brainwashed to believe that your former teachers are next to God. They, better than you, have the know-how and the moral authority to make those kind of judgments. And, you believe in Hyde -- you have to, after all, you graduated -- so you believe in them too...
I think this goes far beyond "unseemly," or "smarmy," or "good old-fashioned sex between consenting adults." The power dynamic is far too disparate. In my opinion, the issue of "full consent" is more than severely tainted, at best.
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Sumner was around Hyde in the late 70's and on the board if I recall later. I can't believe you are still talking about him. In fact, I have read quite a bit of these posts and can't believe there are people out there still affected by their high school. Get over it people.. it was high school. I will bet that every single private boarding school has the same exact issues as Hyde when it comes to sexual indiscretions between students and faculty. It is sad. But 25+ years later and still letting it run your life? I think people that are affected by things to this extent are affected by choice.
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Sumner was around Hyde in the late 70's and on the board if I recall later. I can't believe you are still talking about him. In fact, I have read quite a bit of these posts and can't believe there are people out there still affected by their high school. Get over it people.. it was high school. I will bet that every single private boarding school has the same exact issues as Hyde when it comes to sexual indiscretions between students and faculty. It is sad. But 25+ years later and still letting it run your life? I think people that are affected by things to this extent are affected by choice.
Was it just a "high school" for YOU? Well. More power to you. Hope that goes well for you. Hyde Schools wouldnt still be doing business if they screwed EVERYBODY now would they? Even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.
Other schools have "the same exact issues as Hyde"? No way.
Dont know where you get off telling people to "get over it" though either. Who are you to judge? Oh. You went to Hyde. Where you learn to judge and rip your friends apart in Disco group. Do you go to the homeless shelter and yell at those people to get over it and get a job too?
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better listen to Mrs. Mom, hyde82
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Sumner was around Hyde in the late 70's and on the board if I recall later. I can't believe you are still talking about him. In fact, I have read quite a bit of these posts and can't believe there are people out there still affected by their high school. Get over it people.. it was high school. I will bet that every single private boarding school has the same exact issues as Hyde when it comes to sexual indiscretions between students and faculty. It is sad. But 25+ years later and still letting it run your life? I think people that are affected by things to this extent are affected by choice.
Was it just a "high school" for YOU? Well. More power to you. Hope that goes well for you. Hyde Schools wouldnt still be doing business if they screwed EVERYBODY now would they? Even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.
Other schools have "the same exact issues as Hyde"? No way.
Dont know where you get off telling people to "get over it" though either. Who are you to judge? Oh. You went to Hyde. Where you learn to judge and rip your friends apart in Disco group. Do you go to the homeless shelter and yell at those people to get over it and get a job too?
1) My broken clock blows fuses. It is never right. Who am I to judge? It is my unique potential.
2) Yes you should get over the fact that you sucked an old mans cock 30 years ago.
3) Yes other schools do have the issues that Hyde has, but it is a subset. Teachers bugger students all the time in normal high schools. It is in the papers every day. It is nothing new. "Normal" high schools do not have the cult like aspects that Hyde does. So you get extra special issues with Hyde.
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Sumner was around Hyde in the late 70's and on the board if I recall later. I can't believe you are still talking about him. In fact, I have read quite a bit of these posts and can't believe there are people out there still affected by their high school. Get over it people.. it was high school. I will bet that every single private boarding school has the same exact issues as Hyde when it comes to sexual indiscretions between students and faculty. It is sad. But 25+ years later and still letting it run your life? I think people that are affected by things to this extent are affected by choice.
"Get over it"... "run your life"... Pretty derisive phrases these, eh? But that's how Hyde corrals its minions, for the most part, isn't it? Not everyone is unlucky enough to be subjected to the work crew/2-4 treatment, but everyone gets the coercion through derision workout... Another Hyde poster used a good term for it as well: "disparagement." I think he hit the nail on the head. Pray tell, do you work there? Sounds like you must have in the past, at the very least.
No, Hyde is not like "every single [other] private boarding school." Ever stop to wonder why you get all these ads for reform schools, military schools, boot camps, and other hellholes when you Google it? Somehow those ads never come up when you Google a bona fide boarding school.
Nor does Hyde have the "same exact issues." Using your example, namely "sexual indiscretions between students and faculty," you will never find the number of, let alone the trauma associated with, the incidents that you find at Hyde School. And given the indifference of Hyde's administration, let alone its practice of penalizing the victim and not the perpetrator, it is amazing that you even hear of the incidents that you do. As another poster put it (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=279411#p279411), in discussing a case that was never officially made public: "...but who would want to stay, really, after such an experience. Certainly she had enough experience with Hyde's seminar process to wish not to expose her soft underbelly to the jackals."
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2) Yes you should get over the fact that you sucked an old mans cock 30 years ago.
Good Lord. If you are in the habit of using that as one of your lame-ass pickup lines, I can assure you that you will not get far. Lols! Is this what those thinly veiled insinuations (http://http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=305394#p305394) were all about, a few days ago in the "sexual misconduct" thread? Geez Louise!! You're barking at the wrong bear here, bro!
Not that it makes much difference, since you've made your point ever so well. Much better than I ever could have. I'd venture that not many a parent is going to feel too warm and fuzzy after reading that about a behavior modification joint they're considering for Junior's sake, ha ha!
3) Yes other schools do have the issues that Hyde has, but it is a subset. Teachers bugger students all the time in normal high schools. It is in the papers every day. It is nothing new. "Normal" high schools do not have the cult like aspects that Hyde does. So you get extra special issues with Hyde.
Good point! And as I hope everybody knows, trauma induced during cult time... stays around a L-O-N-G time... Gotta love those "extra special issues!" They might even CLOCK you!! ;)
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2) Yes you should get over the fact that you sucked an old mans cock 30 years ago.
No, Ursus needs to hold on to his good memories too.
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2) Yes you should get over the fact that you sucked an old mans cock 30 years ago.
No, Ursus needs to hold on to his good memories too.
The pronoun had no antecedent.
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Geez... all this salacious innuendo of late is really making my poor head spin. Is karma not quick enough for you, Guest?
Back to the topic. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better by knowing Mr. Hawley, but I think that boost would have taken a big nose dive if you came back to visit or teach, only for a come-on from him. Was that the "unique potential" he saw when he stuck up for you? Was he just out of touch, or maybe were his jollies in question?
I for one would need to know what you were talking about. There was a story about a guy that came back to work for that road show the school did. There is a story, unsubstantiated, that he had some kid of sexual relation with Sumner. If that were true I would say it was a break of trust in the same way that Joe and AVH was, but not sexual predation. But look at another case.
A returning alum is getting the wood put to her in the Penthouse dorm by a teacher. Enough so the sound is traveling though the walls to the students rooms. Sound pretty smarmy. Fill in the names and it seems like good old fashion sex between consenting adults.
I hope you know what you are talking about when you throw this kind of crap out into a public forum, Fuck the lawyers, karma will get you man.
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I think it is moving just fine.
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Maybe sumner hawley is mrs. o'leary's sacred cow.
When mrs. o'leary's cow kicked the bucket, chicago BURNED.
(http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Chicago-fire1.jpg/300px-Chicago-fire1.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1871_Great_Chicago_Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1871_Great_Chicago_Fire)