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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: red lion on November 01, 2007, 02:59:32 PM
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This syndrome pertains to Native American children who were forced to enter residential schools way back in the day. It stripped them of identity - & there actually seems to be parallels between this and modern day "programs" - I could elaborate on that - for the intellectually challenged who cannot see the obvious similarities.
At any rate, the article discusses PTSD and the ensuing problems that "survivors" of these programs encounter - I'm sure it will seem all too familiar.
http://hawkeyeassociates.ca/articles/Re ... 0Paper.pdf (http://hawkeyeassociates.ca/articles/Residential%20Paper.pdf)
http://www.bcma.org/public/bc_medical_j ... _pasts.asp (http://www.bcma.org/public/bc_medical_journal/bcmj/2007/july_aug_07/traumatic_pasts.asp)
(& to all those who believe any program can possibly be good, don't bother responding - I don't have the patience today for your bullshit.)
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(& to all those who believe any program can possibly be good, don't bother responding - I don't have the patience today for your bullshit.)
Already have your mind made up, wlecome stranger, you have come to the right place, you will fit in well here.
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Thanks for posting those.Good reads.
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thanks for the links red lion - & great name!
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you are most welcome.
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thanks for the links red lion - & great name!
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That's what I think people like Who and CCM refuse to look at. The fact that these places completely re-work someone's psyche. They fuck around with kids' core. How can that EVER be safe? How can that kind of isolation, humiliation and thought reform EVER be safe? The best way I've ever come up with to describe, in a nutshell, how it felt was this. Its like someone takes an egg scrambler to your brain and your soul. They strip you of all security, self esteem and identity and install one that's more to their liking. How can anything like that EVER be safe?
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That's what I think people like Who and CCM refuse to look at. The fact that these places completely re-work someone's psyche. They fuck around with kids' core. How can that EVER be safe? How can that kind of isolation, humiliation and thought reform EVER be safe? The best way I've ever come up with to describe, in a nutshell, how it felt was this. Its like someone takes an egg scrambler to your brain and your soul. They strip you of all security, self esteem and identity and install one that's more to their liking. How can anything like that EVER be safe?
Well Said Anne.......
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It's also about assimiliation - the notions of moralizing behavior - the indians had "gross" notions of sexuality etc. that "needed to be reformed."
I'm not saying there aren't troubled kids out there, but stripping ANYONE of their identity, under the guise of "helping" them is definitely not the way to go.
Help does not include humiliation, coercion, and denying someone human rights and respect.
Help, needless to say, does not include abuse in any form. Why are some people still arguing this? The historical facts of "residential schools" are out there.
The trolls try to continually subvert the conversation about crime and punishment and what happens when people "choose not to follow the rules". They blame out of control teens for the havoc the wreak.
The bottom line is this - despite the tangential postings of a few, the fact remains the vast majority of programs (I would say all - I don't know of one that's decent) are corporations. They don't care about kids, they care about the financial bottom line. Show me a program who puts kids over money and then we'll talk. Until then, we'll assume they are all pretty shitty.
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BUMP
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after six months with my daughter in program, I became aware of your board.
When she refused to go back to her TBS after her first visit home, I understood. It was not easy. But.
Thank you.
She has tested out of high school, is working and more importantly is not STRIPPED of her identity. Oh yeah, she is considering community college but I look at her clear eyes and hear that belly laugh and know we did the right thing.
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oh yeah, wanted to add, thank you PSY and Rachael for your posts. Your writings made it possible. Being different is not bad. In fact it's a breath of fresh of air. I embrace my daughter's alternative ways. One year ago, I pleaded with an educational consultant, "but do you send someone away for the way the THINK?"
I work everyday on forgiveness and understanding. It's a work in progress and we've come a long way on our journey. Never again will someone tell me what to with my child.
Mother remember the blink of an eye when I breathed through your body?
Iron and Wine (a band)
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That's what I think people like Who and CCM refuse to look at. The fact that these places completely re-work someone's psyche. They fuck around with kids' core. How can that EVER be safe? How can that kind of isolation, humiliation and thought reform EVER be safe? The best way I've ever come up with to describe, in a nutshell, how it felt was this. Its like someone takes an egg scrambler to your brain and your soul. They strip you of all security, self esteem and identity and install one that's more to their liking. How can anything like that EVER be safe?
Or the fact that this sort of nonsense has been perpetuated before and found to be a terrible state of affairs and yet here we are doing it all over again on a larger scale?
History is indeed repeating itself.. not for the first time either..
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That's what I think people like Who and CCM refuse to look at. The fact that these places completely re-work someone's psyche. They fuck around with kids' core. How can that EVER be safe? How can that kind of isolation, humiliation and thought reform EVER be safe? The best way I've ever come up with to describe, in a nutshell, how it felt was this. Its like someone takes an egg scrambler to your brain and your soul. They strip you of all security, self esteem and identity and install one that's more to their liking. How can anything like that EVER be safe?
Well Said Anne.......
I agree. But safe is a red herring in my mind. Forced treatment, to me, is simply not ethical at all, regardless of efficacy or safety, and I'm glad at least one shrink agrees with me:
http://archive.salon.com/health/books/2 ... index.html (http://archive.salon.com/health/books/2000/01/10/addiction/index.html)
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Forced treatment of mental illness is brainwashing by default, is it not.
YOU ARE SICK. YOU HAVE THIS WRONG. WE WILL FIX IT. YOU'RE FIXED!
Next?
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I just noticed that someone posted under my name 'a voice from nowhere'. At first I was amused. But then upon further reading of posts, I realized that the moderators may think I am the poster 'a voice from nowhere'.
I am not.
I am a Mom who (after my daughter refused to go back) realized that TBS was a huge mistake.
I am still learning everyday. She is doing fine and I admire her strength
Again, the clear eyes, belly laugh and her intent on deciding who she is makes the decision (refusing to go along with TBS and all the dicks who said we were doiing the wrong thing by not having her escorted BACK to school) absolutely the right thing to do. I am very bitter towards the struggling teen industry and I can only hope that the word gets out to the frantic parents, and yes I was one of them, there are alternatives.
Peace,
xxoo
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I just noticed that someone posted under my name 'a voice from nowhere'. At first I was amused. But then upon further reading of posts, I realized that the moderators may think I am the poster 'a voice from nowhere'.
I am not.
I am a Mom who (after my daughter refused to go back) realized that TBS was a huge mistake.
I am still learning everyday. She is doing fine and I admire her strength
Again, the clear eyes, belly laugh and her intent on deciding who she is makes the decision (refusing to go along with TBS and all the dicks who said we were doiing the wrong thing by not having her escorted BACK to school) absolutely the right thing to do. I am very bitter towards the struggling teen industry and I can only hope that the word gets out to the frantic parents, and yes I was one of them, there are alternatives.
Peace,
xxoo
Unmoderated forum.. and ding dong the admins are alllll dead.. lulz.. so no worries on anyone mixing you up with anyone else.
Good on you for getting your daughter out. All the best of wishes for your family's future.
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Even if someone isn’t systematically tortured, simply being locked away without the opportunity to legally challenge your incarceration is extraordinarily damaging, mentally.
Why someone would think it's "helpful" to violate someone else's human rights, to plunge them into an Orwellian nightmare, to do what is being done to those poor bastards at Gunatanamo(sp?) bay(well, minus the water boarding) is beyond me.
In fact, is not holding someone against their will, without a right to challenge this, in itself not torture?
Has their ever been an institution that held humans in this form of bondage that has not also engaged in further abuse of their detainees? I doubt it. When one is held in a position of powerlessness, exploitation of that powerlessness is inevitable.
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Even if someone isn’t systematically tortured, simply being locked away without the opportunity to legally challenge your incarceration is extraordinarily damaging, mentally.
Why someone would think it's "helpful" to violate someone else's human rights, to plunge them into an Orwellian nightmare, to do what is being done to those poor bastards at Gunatanamo(sp?) bay(well, minus the water boarding) is beyond me.
In fact, is not holding someone against their will, without a right to challenge this, in itself not torture?
Has their ever been an institution that held humans in this form of bondage that has not also engaged in further abuse of their detainees? I doubt it. When one is held in a position of powerlessness, exploitation of that powerlessness is inevitable.
Yes, but it would depend on how one defines the word "abuse." Here at SIBS, we occasionally may have to throw a kid into the cage with Gary (our very friendly resident gorilla) since he seems to be able to quiet them down pretty quickly. You've never seen a druggie shit his pants so quick! :rofl:
Wasn't it Guy Fawkes who said, "A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy"?
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please ignore the above poster -
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.[/color]
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Even if someone isn’t systematically tortured, simply being locked away without the opportunity to legally challenge your incarceration is extraordinarily damaging, mentally.
Why someone would think it's "helpful" to violate someone else's human rights, to plunge them into an Orwellian nightmare, to do what is being done to those poor bastards at Gunatanamo(sp?) bay(well, minus the water boarding) is beyond me.
In fact, is not holding someone against their will, without a right to challenge this, in itself not torture?
Has their ever been an institution that held humans in this form of bondage that has not also engaged in further abuse of their detainees? I doubt it. When one is held in a position of powerlessness, exploitation of that powerlessness is inevitable.
Yes, but it would depend on how one defines the word "abuse." Here at SIBS, we occasionally may have to throw a kid into the cage with Gary (our very friendly resident gorilla) since he seems to be able to quiet them down pretty quickly. You've never seen a druggie shit his pants so quick! :rofl:
Wasn't it Guy Fawkes who said, "A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy"?
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::soapbox:: why dont you just leave you dusche
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::soapbox:: why dont you just leave you dusche
Shame on you SFNL, that's no way to talk to a troll....
And you spelled "douche" wrong.. more shame! :rofl:
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its my world and i live in it...hahha
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Good on you for getting your daughter out. All the best of wishes for your family's future
thank you Che G. Many blessings to you too.
trying to be the rock that my daughters stands on from here on out and when she flies away, I hope to be the rock from afar.
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oh yeah, wanted to add, thank you PSY and Rachael for your posts. Your writings made it possible. Being different is not bad. In fact it's a breath of fresh of air. I embrace my daughter's alternative ways. One year ago, I pleaded with an educational consultant, "but do you send someone away for the way the THINK?"
I work everyday on forgiveness and understanding. It's a work in progress and we've come a long way on our journey. Never again will someone tell me what to with my child.
Mother remember the blink of an eye when I breathed through your body?
Iron and Wine (a band)
Thank you very much for this comment. I was a little down today and this has helped pick me up a bit. It just seems so futile to keep speaking up sometimes. When the only people who seem to be listening are those like the Who and CCM, it gets to be discouraging.
I just noticed that someone posted under my name 'a voice from nowhere'. At first I was amused. But then upon further reading of posts, I realized that the moderators may think I am the poster 'a voice from nowhere'.
That isn't just you, that's all guest posts these days. No one is singling you out. You can always create a profile and post under that, then the guest identifier will disappear.
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oh yeah, wanted to add, thank you PSY and Rachael for your posts.
Thanks!