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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: lorrispickelmire on October 10, 2007, 08:17:13 PM
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What would you think about a program that was totally voluntary and the teen had to apply themselves to get in, go through an interview process, and was screened to make sure they really wanted to be there?
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That would be your garden variety academic boarding school, not a program. The issue isn't whether the kid wants the school or not, but whether the school wants the kid or not. If the kid has any sort of history, the answer will be sorry, go somewhere else.
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I think it would probably ok by fornits given these 17 (and probably more to be added later) conditions
1. Every detail of the program is explained prior to admission. No hidden rules, no catches.
2. the program functions exactly as advertised.
3. there is accountability. if a student feels have been abused they may contact a third party at any time, for any reason.
4. The students may leave at their own free will, and if the student decides to leave, the school takes appropriate measures to get them home safely. no "he can leave at any time, but we're in the middle of nowhere so he's not going anywhere" bullshit.
5. all Staff are screened, all staff hold appropriate degrees.
6. Kids are not encouraged to tattle on each other.
7. No forced excersize, labor, or hikes.
8. academics are up to par.
9. the idea of "addiction is a disease" is scrapped. put an emphasis on moderation rather than total abstinence. instead of 12 steps, just focus on personal responsibility and maturity and the rest will follow.
10. There is a doctor and certified nurse available at anytime at student's request.
11. No psychotropic medication shall be given out, unless it is a serious matter such as szchizophrenia or clinical depression, this shall be closely monitored by a panel (meaning multiples) of doctors and given out by the certified nurse.
12. The school is secular, with no ties to religion. all staff must be non-religious, (not neccesarily atheist, but not mormon or other assorted jesus freak). God, jesus, buddha, etc are never mentioned or talked about unless the student brings it up. Arangements are made for students to study and practice their religion of choice, wheather it be christianity, budhism, wicca, even voodoo if they wish.
13. The school does not treat homosexuality, or consider it an issue
14. the school does not take court-ordered or violent students
15. the school focuses on one specific issue, like addiction. will not treat multiple types of issues, e.g no eating disordered, spoiled or suicidal kids if youre treating the addicted; unless the student has a combination of issues e.g is suicidal because of eating disorder.
16. marijuana is not considered an issue, although it can be prohibited on campus. neither are kids who simply skip school, hang with "the wrong crowd", are "sleeping around", or "spend too much time on the computer".
17. the students attendance of the institution does not affect his/her chances of getting into another school or college in the future.
If anyone feels there should be more, or you want to change the above, feel free to do so.
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That would make it a normal fucking school with therapy.
A normal school with therapy is that, a normal school with therapy, or therapy with schooling.
A program is, well, a program.
derp.
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if that is the case, then define "theraputic boarding school". the problem is that many schools claim to be "normal schools with therapy" to the goverment and [some] parents, yet turn out to be programs. examples: Hyde, Hidden Lake Academy, King George, Swift River among many others.
there is way too many grey areas in this industry, and that is what programs thive off of. it's how they somehow manage to elude all acountability. since programs are not ordinary schools, yet they are not prisons, residential treatment centers or clinics either. there is no goverment oversight over what each individual school is required to do, since there is so much variety. instead of goverment acredditation, they collect niche market acreditations like NATSAP. thankfully, thats all about to change. i have a feeling the G.A.O hearing is the begining of the end for the likes of lichfeild, sembler, buccelato, scheff, and the rest of satan's spawn.
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Pass laws to protect the rights of children and programs will completely go away.
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Pass laws to protect the rights of children and programs will completely go away.
WRONG!
They will shift morph and emerge again. Consider the myth of the multi-headed hydra. For everyone head you lop off another or two more grow right back.
Protecting the rights of children is merely one step in the road to crushing this modern day bubonic plague called programmes. The way to root out this 'black death' of psychiatric care is a comprehensive long term education of the population.
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You know what you call a 'voluntary' program?
A ghost town.
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I don't think therapy has any role in traditional education. Hyde is the closest thing to this voluntary model and look at how unhappy many of its ex students are with the :"education" they got.
it is easy to forget that an average normal boarding school of any note has counsellors that a kid can have a chat to. if they need the treatment of an actual psychiatrist or psychologist parents can arrange this with many schools. As with any other regular medical appointment their housemother accompanies them to their appointment and they see the Dr privately while that person waits for them. If they need some sort of really intensive mental health treatment then boarding school may not be the answer for them.
For all that regular boarding school can be a good experience for many kids a, certain level of mental health and resilience is required to deal with the homesickness, group living and general relative lack of privacy. You don't get a lot of time to yourself as a boarder. If a kid is a bit on the fragile side, or has some sort of social or mental health disorder then it is possibly not the best choice.
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Besides that, who decides what is truly voluntary anyway? Who will make that call?
Technically, I "voluntarily" came up for a campus tour. Then they told me "guess what? you're staying."
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I would assume that voluntary would be like normal boarding school. it should be remembered that Ryan Lewis and Michelle Sutton both went to wilderness voluntarily. It was not any better for them than any of the kids dragged kicking and screaming in a van
Also choice is relative when you are a kid. my experience of school was not negative or abusive but it did not occur to me that I had a choice of school. i went to the school i did because my older sister went there and so did my female cousins. In yr 10 I boarded because it was a family tradition. I never thought about whether I even wanted to object. I guess if i were abjectly miserable my parents prolly would have discussed where to go from there with me.
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Note: Ok... so I'm going to address a host of things in this post since i've been away from the forum for a while.
What would you think about a program that was totally voluntary and the teen had to apply themselves to get in, go through an interview process, and was screened to make sure they really wanted to be there?
Right... So they can get conned like I did?!?! Not everybody signed themselves in, some are/were just naive and a little too trusting. I fell for their advertised bullshit, hook, line, and sinker. As advertised, it sounded like a chill, laid back, boarding school. I was lied to. My parents were lied to. I fell for it. My parents fell for it. It's not just parents all the time. Anybody can fall for an effective, well executed con (except a con, of course, according to Benchmark and Charles E. Dederich). The day my dad left I learned the definition of
Did you listen to those parents on the GAO hearings. Did you listen to what Kevin Bacon's dad had to say? Were you lsitening to that. Are they not sorry. Can we please stop fucking blaming ALL the parents for the actions of some when many are clearly contrite. Some are ignorant, yes, but that does not mean they imply malice. What I do: Explain what they are saying means to survivors... they may not know the full details of what happened to their own kid, let along you, so sometimes parents unintentionally offend survivors... We might not agree on everything, but there are a lot of parents who do believe in complete abolition of the industry.
Ok. Now I'm going to go off on the Who:
TheWho, on the other hand, is a paid bullshit statistician for NATSAP. I am pretty sure I know exactly who he is, and it fits the profile exactly for NATSAP's statistics gathering Jan mentioned in her testimony. I might be wrong, but then again, his actions clearly demonstrate a motive that is, as far as i can see, only consistent with that of an industry member. I might not be spot on about you being NATSAP's paid, full-time, Fornits bullshit department announced at the hearing, but there is no doubt in my mind of your allegiances, especially with your revelations concerning
@Who: Is this true, Who. Do you work on a consulting basis for NATSAP's marketing or "research" division? You defend NATSAP past the point of est-ian "logic" and absurdity where up is down and black is white (perfect for industry marketing). You pull figures out of your ass, etc... mock survivors, piss of parents, attempt to disrupt the forum (especially certain specific subjects of threads.
God damn, i wish you would have said some of your shit around some of those parents today, they would probably have laid you the fuck out (I would have, if in their situation, with you helping to whitewash the reputation of murderers and abusers (of both children and "young adults" in transitional schools). NATSAP was crucified on national fucking television and don't think I won't be editing a "choice cuts" edit with just Bacon's testimony... Maybe do a few side-by-side cuts with a few of Jan's contradictions, Freudian slips, and outright apparant perjury.
Seriously, I'll do what I have to do to fulfill my official fornits duties, but personally, I fucking despise you, especially after today. Occasionally, i'll be polite if i'm not in a bad mood, but frankly, you deserve good, verbal slapping around. Give you a taste of a program, you sadistic fuck.
You must have no soul whatsoever left to defend NATSAP after Jan denied any knowledge of the Bacon incident... Keep sucking satan's cock[/quote]... Maybe he'll but you a new Mercedes Benz you can drive around until you realize that nobody in the whole world really gives a flying fuck about your existence on this planet. Hopefully, at that point, you'll get drunk, place a .357 magnum in your mouth, and pull the trigger. I heard monoxide is painless, btw, and slitting wrists is "down the road" not "across the street". None of these are death threats, but merely suggestions on direct action you can take to help make the world a better place.
Oh you think that's harsh, do you? It's really not that harsh at all. Would you like it better if you were in the middle of the room, surrounded by people as vicious as me, itching to tear you apart verbally for cudos from the staff? What if you couldn't leave? But you don't have to worry about that... Sadly you seem to have no empathy whatsoever for those who did suffer, and don't give me your Jan Moss false sympathy bullshit. You're on the other side, let's not pretend otherwise anymore. You've made it clear that the only way to rid Fornits is
What if you were a kid, and what if you were already depressed, and what if you did kill yourself, and what if your parents were convinced it was inevitable, and what if your murder was forgotten, covered up, and the murderers continued to take risks with people's lives, sanity, wellbeing, and very identity by continuing to advertise treatment for a wide range of "issues" they are dangerously unequipped to deal with.
Do you care that the continued existance of this industry exists entirely without due process on the part of the kid. Do you realize I was one of them, accepted into program for "issues" having to do with what I believe, who I am, and who I chose to associate with (all things the program sought out to reform through coercion and lies). You can say our parents were at "wit's end", and perhaps they were from their perspectives, especially when exacerbated by program marketing emphasizing an "it's right for your kid" approach (or he's gonna fuckin die!), and not one that is actually beneficial to the Pizza (oops... meant "student".)
Do you not care that these are human beings being denied their rights without fair trial, representation, or any unauthorized communication with the outside world, the cult itself, and finally within the self. Do you not care that what you call therapy basically means coercing a person into doing something your way, breaking their will. What about positive re-enforcement in which the detainee is tricked into following a carrot on a stick until the detainee becomes so incomparably cynical he or she will never trust anybody ever again (but perhaps a few survivors, maybe, since they were there and can relate)? What about the God they tell you about that turns out to be a scarlet whore, feeding off the blood of innocents... finding out that everything you were taught was just to make a buck, everything was done ultimately for profit... losing your religion, faith in the program... feeling tricked, violated, forced to expose my inner most secrets to the group through psychological games, trickery, sleep and food deprivation, ritual humiliation. That isn't even to mention sick, rigged, mind games designed to build up a sense of camaraderie, loyalty to the group, and affection for the leader (facilitator). Mind manipulation all to make a buck... "students" all end up on the streets in this condition with nothing. No money, no food, shelter, other clothing, personal property, transportation, etc... nothing... Out of the frying pan of surreality into a situation most people would have no idea how to react if it happened.
How did I felt when it happened to me? They tell you that you are free to leave any time you wish, but you can't have your property, money, etc., back (and students are told they signed away their rights when they come into program, remember) What happens when you're cold, tired, hungry, hot and thirsty or just plain scared? Somewhere all that dogma shoving pays off and you suddenly start to think "maybe I can't make it on my own... Maybe I do need program to suceed"... Then, as I've said, you find out your religion is a lie. Do you know what it's like to lose your entire belief system, upon which you've built a brand, new identity (discarded the "masks" (which were actually you), and put on a brand new rubber mask of Ronald (hope the fucker is burning in hell right now) Reagan.
How do you think I felt when I recently found out that they knew that I was thrown on the streets all along and didn't raise a single objection, that they were totally duped by the program into believing that it's the "best thing" to do to help him to hit "rock bottom". Benchmark made that purpose clear in their letters to my parents.
What of the few chosen ones, who actually graduate and give birth to a "success story"... Watch what happens the first time they try some of their program-acquired "tools" in the real world. See how long their faith in program lasts, until they figure it out, feel like idiots, and subsequently shoot themselves in the head.
Mind rape: provides temporary results with attached timer and detonater... But that's not important to the efficient production of bullshit statistics and PR fueling "success stories" comprised mostly, i'm guessing of obligatory-on-graduation letters of thanks to the program. What of long term sucess rate? "Oh horrors... little Johnny is smoking pot again" (like they told him he would every single fucking day. Time to send Johnny back to program to get more "help" against his will!
NATSAP defends Benchmark. You heard for yourself what some of their other programs were like... And yet you think an organization comprised almost exclusively by program owners is going to give a good god damn about it's own crimes. You can't be that stupid. Fuck you, who. (http://http)
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Is this true, Who. Do you work on a consulting basis for NATSAP's marketing or "research" division?
No, I have told you I don’t profit from the industry and I don’t work for these people. I understand that you need someone to slam around for awhile and if that is me that is fine, I can take it. I watched the hearing myself and thought is was powerful and I know what it is like to be in the room with all the energy as you were, takes your breath away doesn’t it?
What you really despise about me is that I don’t embrace the “all or nothing ruleâ€
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TheWho is an industry shill. Why do you still talk to or about him?
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funny how thewho didnt even post on this topic untill psy went off on him.
youre a smart one psy. dont think every guest is thewho. just because a annon survivor is moderate doesnt mean he's thewho.
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It's a sad day when people advocating for child abuse are called 'moderate'.
Things not addressed by Who's text wall: Seminars, brainwashing, emotional abuse, humiliation, and the like. He doesn't want to discuss them or even recognize that they exist. This is a common problem among programmies. They won't get into details about these things, because that would reflect themselves committing evil, and have trained themselves to be immune to their own hypocrisy. They have too much emotionally invested.
When you really, internally believe, having been taught from a young age, that "bad kids need to be punished until they're good again", this is what happens.
Take a 12 inch long piece of duct tape and wrap it around your arm or leg and leave it there for a few hours and then try to take it off. Now imagine having your whole body wrapped like this…do you honestly believe you would recount that experience as being “wrapped in duct tape from head to toeâ€
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Again, note the auto-ellipsis at the end there, made by Microsoft Word. Odds are, someone is emailing Who his material.
My gosh, your right, it is even happening in psy's posts. I wonder what that means?
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No, I have told you I don’t profit from the industry and I don’t work for these people.
How about anyone in your family? Is anyone in your family connected, directly or indirectly, to the industry? Someone keeps posting about your father. What's the connection? How about just laying it out on the table?
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What you cant see is if you close all the schools down you are going to do a disservice to many children who benefit from them,
Try backing that statement up with FACTS. You can't. Case closed.
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Besides that, who decides what is truly voluntary anyway? Who will make that call?
Technically, I "voluntarily" came up for a campus tour. Then they told me "guess what? you're staying."
Mine went just like that!!!
I was lured to an open meeting and they kept me.
I would only agree to stay after my sister 'swore' she would come back for me/wouldn't leave me there :roll: yeahsureright
I have excellent 'radar', mind you ( if you get what I mean).
So why didn't I listen when those sirens and red-flashing lights were going off in my head then? :wstupid:
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No, I have told you I don’t profit from the industry and I don’t work for these people.
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How about anyone in your family? Is anyone in your family connected, directly or indirectly, to the industry? Someone keeps posting about your father. What's the connection? How about just laying it out on the table?
Now I know I've seen those words come out of someone's mouth...
Can't quite remember... :rofl: It'll come to me ::seg:: :wink:
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adults check themselves into rehabs or clinics for eating disorders or addictions all the time - they can leave if they want unless they're court ordered in which case they can choose to leave and do jail time instead
so, if it could completely be a choice, what would be wrong about it?
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adults check themselves into rehabs or clinics for eating disorders or addictions all the time - they can leave if they want unless they're court ordered in which case they can choose to leave and do jail time instead
so, if it could completely be a choice, what would be wrong about it?
You are not a parent, that is why you don’t understand. We all know that would not work. Example:
Mom: “Johnny time to get up, the school bus will be here soonâ€
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EXACTLY, TheWho!
My daughter didn't want to have sex with me and called the police, but she (and most people on this forum) don't understand that it can't be rape; she's not old enough to make decisions about whether she wants to get fucked or not. As her father I have both the authority and responsibility to make she learns good sexual practice from an early age.
I'd continue this, but I have court in a half hour.
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EXACTLY, TheWho!
My daughter didn't want to have sex with me and called the police, but she (and most people on this forum) don't understand that it can't be rape; she's not old enough to make decisions about whether she wants to get fucked or not. As her father I have both the authority and responsibility to make she learns good sexual practice from an early age.
I'd continue this, but I have court in a half hour.
Hmm, a little strange.. good thing she called the police, that should resolve things for her (not sure about you, though) good luck in court (leave your bail money at home).
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adults check themselves into rehabs or clinics for eating disorders or addictions all the time - they can leave if they want unless they're court ordered in which case they can choose to leave and do jail time instead
so, if it could completely be a choice, what would be wrong about it?
You are not a parent, that is why you don’t understand. We all know that would not work. Example:
Mom: “Johnny time to get up, the school bus will be here soonâ€
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Huh?
Oh, you misunderstood me. The cops only showed up for about five minutes. Sex with my daughter is legal where I live.
The court was actually a defamation case; a bunch of organized malcontents were saying nasty things about my rights-protection organization, the National Association of Teen Sex Accepting Parents (NATSAP). Of course we can send our children to institutions for when we decide they need it, but we much prefer to do things at home as it's easier and cheaper. In your country I get the impression that parents have to send their children to institutions for the sexual and humiliation therapy they need. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose, but that's a strange custom.
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EXACTLY, TheWho!
My daughter didn't want to have sex with me and called the police, but she (and most people on this forum) don't understand that it can't be rape; she's not old enough to make decisions about whether she wants to get fucked or not. As her father I have both the authority and responsibility to make she learns good sexual practice from an early age.
I'd continue this, but I have court in a half hour.
That's the analogy I make all the time regarding who's "It's not abduction if the parent gives permission for it." routine.
Great minds denied an education in favor of peer denunciation, slave labor, and endless public confession about what horrible, selfish, and depraved kids they are, think alike!!
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Kids don't always want to go to school. This situation is remedied by something called "parenting".
Yea!! Somebody gets it!! So if kids don’t always want to go to school then they need a parent to enforce the rules so that they do go to school… why? Because they are not mature enough to make their own decisions yet. Thereby concluding parenting is needed up until a certain age.
Now take a child that is not responding to the parenting, heading down the wrong path. Schools and local services have proven not to be effective and after exhausting all local options the child is still at risk…
Question:
Will this child voluntarily check him/herself into a program? Probably not.. so this situation is remedied by something called “parentingâ€
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Should Henry Rollins have been sent to a TBS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_rollins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_rollins)
His parents failed him. Military boarding school didn't 'save' him.
He was a 'failure' after boarding school. Lived what most would consider a deplorable life by being a punk rock band member.
Henry is an accomplished muscian, actor and author. All with no thanks to TBS. He's got $. He is happy. He is making a positive contribution to our world.
Troubled teen turned human rights activist:
- During the 2003 Iraq War, he started touring with the United Service Organizations to entertain troops overseas, despite his personal opposition to the war and the Bush administration.
- gay rights
Rise Above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHk7zahvDFI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHk7zahvDFI)
Jealous cowards try to control
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
They distort what we say
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Try and stop what we do
Rise above
When they cant do it themselves
We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use
Societys arms of control
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Think theyre smart
Cant think for themselves
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Laugh at us
Behind our backs
I find satisfaction
In what they lack
We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use
We are born with a chance
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
I am gonna have my chance
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use
Rise above
Rise above
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Were gonna rise above
Were gonna rise above
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Should Henry Rollins have been sent to a TBS?
Great example!! Dish
It seems to have served him well. It got him out of the poor environment he was in. Lots of racial tensions…he was being abused at home and being beat up on the streets. The school helped him develop a sense of discipline which seems to have worked to his advantage
It takes a ton of self confidence and discipline to stay focused and become a successful song writer and singer…. Good stuff.
Henry is an accomplished muscian, actor and author…..He is happy…….. He is making a positive contribution to our world.
Troubled teen turned human rights activist:
- During the 2003 Iraq War, he started touring with the United Service Organizations to entertain troops overseas, despite his personal opposition to the war and the Bush administration.
Who knows how he would have turned out without intervention?
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Should Henry Rollins have been sent to a TBS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_rollins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_rollins)
His parents failed him. Military boarding school didn't 'save' him.
He was a 'failure' after boarding school. Lived what most would consider a deplorable life by being a punk rock band member.
Henry is an accomplished muscian, actor and author. All with no thanks to TBS. He's got $. He is happy. He is making a positive contribution to our world.
Troubled teen turned human rights activist:
- During the 2003 Iraq War, he started touring with the United Service Organizations to entertain troops overseas, despite his personal opposition to the war and the Bush administration.
- gay rights
Rise Above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHk7zahvDFI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHk7zahvDFI)
Jealous cowards try to control
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
They distort what we say
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Try and stop what we do
Rise above
When they cant do it themselves
We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use
Societys arms of control
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Think theyre smart
Cant think for themselves
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Laugh at us
Behind our backs
I find satisfaction
In what they lack
We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use
We are born with a chance
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
I am gonna have my chance
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use
Rise above
Rise above
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Were gonna rise above
Were gonna rise above
Fuckin' A, dishduty... Thanks for posting this! Ol' Henry may not have been the quintessential throat for Black Flag, but I'll admit I dug Damaged back in those days...I saw the Flag play down at Terminal 406 (an all-ages 'club' which was really just a warehouse down on Eutaw St) back in 1982 before getting shanghaied... RISE ABOVE!!
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Henry Rollins attended The Bullis School. It's a real military academy. It isn't a TBS.
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Actually, Henry is the authority on this one.
Hopefully he'll respond and I'll post it here.
Email to Henry:
Henry,
You're my James Brown TV dinner.
No seriously, I would like to hear your thoughts.
I am one of many grown 'troubled teens' that visit a website callled www.fornits.com (http://www.fornits.com). Here, we collectivley brush the dust off of our selves by discussing the insane cultish practices used by a large number of "Therapeutic Boarding Schools" that we attended.
A common theme that comes up in these discussions, and a common scare tactic used by the salesmen at these TBS is, "If you don't send your child here ($50k+ a year) he will continue down the wrong path and end up dead"
I remember listening to Black Flag in the 80's and am very impressed with your contributions since Black Flag. You are living proof that a 'troubled teen' can turn himself around on his own and not pay some untrained degenerate (TBS Staff) $150 a day to drink the kool aid..
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=9 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=9)
- Dishdutyfugitive
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The link doesn't work.
But the truth is, you don't need Henry to state the obvious.
"Troubled teens" don't exist any more than "molested teens" exist.
Obviously, their are kids who are troubled, and there are kids who are molested, but "troubled teen" is used to imply a kid who is crazy for no reason, in a vacuum, while molested teen imples a human being who is being victimized.
If a kid is genuinely "troubled" it's because someone is troubling them(parents) just like if a kid is "molested" there is someone molesting them.
They are victims. not monsters.
The same rules apply to helping troubled teens as helping molested teens: STOP troubling/molesting them. Put the peple who abuse them in prison, and get them into an environment where they are safe, not from "themselves" but from troublemakers.
Despite being troubled, or molested, those kids are normal. They want happiness and fufillment in life. That's an instinctual drive, and unless you are intellectualy disabled or genuinely mentally ill(scitzophernia), all you need to do is give them what "normal" kids take for granted: a safe environment and opprotuniites.
The idea that kids tormenting or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.
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The idea that kids tormenting or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.[/quote]
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The link doesn't work.
I just double checked both and they worked. You can go to wikipedia and enter henry rollins or go to youtube.com and enter black flag.
But the truth is, you don't need Henry to state the obvious.
True - but I bet he'll have some interesting commentary. He was molested by the way.
"Troubled teens" don't exist any more than "molested teens" exist.
Obviously, their are kids who are troubled, and there are kids who are molested, but "troubled teen" is used to imply a kid who is crazy for no reason, in a vacuum, while molested teen imples a human being who is being victimized.
True - I assume Henry isn't familiar with our TBS cultspeak so I used generic terms for him to relate to.
If a kid is genuinely "troubled" it's because someone is troubling them(parents) just like if a kid is "molested" there is someone molesting them.
They are victims. not monsters.
Very True. I think parent's should go to 'get your shit together camp'.
The same rules apply to helping troubled teens as helping molested teens: STOP troubling/molesting them. Put the peple who abuse them in prison, and get them into an environment where they are safe, not from "themselves" but from troublemakers.
Despite being troubled, or molested, those kids are normal. They want happiness and fufillment in life. That's an instinctual drive, and unless you are intellectualy disabled or genuinely mentally ill(scitzophernia), all you need to do is give them what "normal" kids take for granted: a safe environment and opprotuniites.
Very, very true - you took the words out of my mouth. It took me a long time to shake that stigma of being a 'troubled kid' and realize I was a normal kid who got put through the ringer.
The idea that kids tormenting or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.[/quote]
Yeah, but doing so affords mansions and BMW's for the cocksuckers running these shitholes. And you can't front on that. We all need to get on our knees and bow down to thy might dollar.
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The idea that kids are being tormented or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.
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Kids don't always want to go to school. This situation is remedied by something called "parenting".
Yea!! Somebody gets it!! So if kids don’t always want to go to school then they need a parent to enforce the rules so that they do go to school… why? Because they are not mature enough to make their own decisions yet. Thereby concluding parenting is needed up until a certain age.
Now take a child that is not responding to the parenting, heading down the wrong path. Schools and local services have proven not to be effective and after exhausting all local options the child is still at risk…
Question:
Will this child voluntarily check him/herself into a program? Probably not.. so this situation is remedied by something called “parentingâ€
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Very, very true - you took the words out of my mouth. It took me a long time to shake that stigma of being a 'troubled kid' and realize I was a normal kid who got put through the ringer. [/b]
The idea that kids are tormented and imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.[/quote]
Yeah, but doing so affords mansions and BMW's for the cocksuckers running these shitholes. And you can't front on that. We all need to get on our knees and bow down to thy might dollar. [/b][/quote]
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Very, very true - you took the words out of my mouth. It took me a long time to shake that stigma of being a 'troubled kid' and realize I was a normal kid who got put through the ringer. [/b]
The idea that kids are tormented and imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.[/quote]
Yeah, but doing so affords mansions and BMW's for the cocksuckers running these shitholes. And you can't front on that. We all need to get on our knees and bow down to thy might dollar. [/b][/quote]
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Very, very true - you took the words out of my mouth. It took me a long time to shake that stigma of being a 'troubled kid' and realize I was a normal kid who got put through the ringer. [/b]
The idea that kids are tormented and imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.
Yeah, but doing so affords mansions and BMW's for the cocksuckers running these shitholes. And you can't front on that. We all need to get on our knees and bow down to thy might dollar. [/size][/quote][/quote]
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The idea that kids are being tormented or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.
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thanks for correcting my typos hehe :P
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all you need to do is give them what "normal" kids take for granted: a safe environment and opprotuniites.
exactly, thats what many of these programs do is get the child away from all the problems, provide them with a safe enviornment and give them opportunities to grow and get back on track.
The idea that kids tormenting or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.
I think everyone would agree with this. Any program which treats kids like criminals and/or tortures them should be shut down... it will only make things worse. They need an enviornment which will raise their self esteem and make them feel safe.
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it was such a good an accurate statement ... only someone who went through the program would know ... quite unlike thewho retard?
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exactly, thats what many of these programs do is get the child away from all the problems, provide them with a safe enviornment and give them opportunities to grow and get back on track.
So how is a program a save environment and how does it give them an opportunity to 'grow' or 'get on track'. What track are they getting on? Who decides when they are on or off it?
What decides when they leave?
I think everyone would agree with this. Any program which treats kids like criminals and/or tortures them should be shut down... it will only make things worse. They need an enviornment which will raise their self esteem and make them feel safe.
Another turd of wizdumb.
If there were a closer of programs charged with doing so, he'd be one very busy man. If he did one a day it would take years.
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turd of wizdumb.
That rings a bell...where have I heard that before..? :rofl:
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