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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Deborah on September 25, 2007, 10:30:08 PM
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From the Nugget
Children should not be humiliated
I want to comment on an incident that I observed at Wal-Mart on Sept. 10 shortly after 5 p.m. Standing next to the parking lot was a young boy (about age 9) holding a sign stating: "I have been rude and disrespectful to my mother. I called my teacher 'stupid'."
His mother was holding a sign: "Fed-up."
When we went to speak with the mother, she was eager to talk regarding her difficulties with her son, that his behavior was out of control, that she had to frequently leave her job to pick him up from school due to his disruptive behavior, that he was on the verge of being kicked out of school.
My impression, as a retired psychiatric social worker and concerned citizen, is that this mother was crying out for help.
I called DFACs (the Department of Family and Children's Services) to get their advice on such a situation. I was NOT going to make a specific report with the mother's name, as I did not want to escalate the immediate situation. The call was made shortly after 5 p.m. I let the phone ring 11 times with no answer nor even a recorded message.
Is there no coverage after 5 p.m. or on weekends re: possible child abuse?
Next I called the sheriff's department who told me that the incident had been reported and that no officer would investigate because the woman was not doing anything "wrong." When I asked her about DFACs, she said that they are not there after 5 p.m.
Even more shocking was when I consulted the Welfare Information Gateway on the internet for the definition of child abuse in the state of Georgia. Out of the 50 states, Georgia is one of two states that does NOT include in our state laws that emotional abuse is considered child abuse.
The maltreatment of children is a wider issue than this isolated incident.
Many parents are frustrated with behavior problems of their children.
As we were talking with this mother, other people honked car horns and shouted: "Way to go! Good!" and other expressions condoning this action.
However public humiliation of children does not resolve their anger and acting-out behavior.
Long ago in colonial America, the troublemakers were punished in the center of town for the entire public to see. Locked in wooden frameworks in the town square, the town people scoffed at them.
Colonial Americans looked on themselves as moral and religious people, just as many of our contemporary American citizens do.
But is public humiliation a part of God's moral code?
What would Jesus do?
Sincerely,
Holly Brannon
Dahlonega
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I read this one too last week and was shocked that DSS didnt consider this to be out of the norm for a young child to be made to do this. If this mother is wanting this boy to respect her, I dont believe this was the way to go about it.
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I would have beat the shit out of her.
It's a good thing I don't live in Georgia.
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further demonstration of the backwardness of georgia. it's like an american afghanistan. i think the southern states should just separate, and become another country because i dont want to feel so embarassed knowing that a place like georgia is part of my country. and then i think they should do reverse slavery - all black people will be assigned/can own 3 white slaves per person. i would also put in a law that a child if immune from prosecution if he/she assaults/kills an overly abusive parent or guardian. because i can guarentee you that kid with the sign will end up doing just that one day.
if that happened in new york the mother would have gotten harrased by a mob, arrested, and social services would do an evaluation.
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I have seen parents beat their children in northern states, seen screaming mothers in Texas, and seen complete neglect here in NC. To say that Georgia is like this as a whole is completely ignorant, to say the least. This was about a mother, who, by the way, might not even be from there originally. This was not a post about bashing Georgia and its people in general. It could have been anywhere in the United States, or the world for that matter.
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Neglect happens everywhere. It's a crime.
The screaming parents thing is an adult temper tantrum, not premeditated like this shit.
Even in a lot of red states this woman would have gotten owned like she got hit by a freight train if she pulled this in public. Cops, jail time, DCS, kid ending up with other relatives, etc.
The fact that she was approved by the crowd, if it is indeed a fact (this is one letter to the editor after all) casts a huge stain on that part of Georgia.
Are programs like zits? Do they pop up where there's a massive infection of hate for children?
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Putting kids in residential therapeutic facilities as a child custody dispute is child abuse. The parent who does it should be put in jail, as should the people in the facilities who help them do it.
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Abuse happens everywhere. Don't forget Rotenberg's House of Horrors in Mass
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature ... shock.html (http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/school_of_shock.html)
What I thought was relevant is that Ga is ONE of only TWO states that "does NOT include in our state laws that emotional abuse is considered child abuse."
I wonder if the other is Utah, where child abuse is highest in the nation.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=17791#17791 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=17791#17791)
We have some really awesome child advocates in Texas who do outstanding work.
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one of the biggest KKK/white power/neonazi rallies in the country regularly come through dahlonega and gainesville, and they get overwhelming public support. there is actually a national alliance chapter just minuits away from hidden lake road. it is run by chester doles, a sick sick individual - currently in prison, yet he recieves favorable support from everyone in town. his case was even defended by bob barr, who was the g.o.p rep for the 7th district of georgia, one district over from lumpkin county.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Doles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Doles)
http://downwithjugears.blogspot.com/200 ... eform.html (http://downwithjugears.blogspot.com/2006/08/chester-doles-on-immigration-reform.html)
check this out
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelrep ... sp?pid=830 (http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=830)
i would not be surprised if a few staff members at HLA are n.a or kkk members.
i'm sure theres lots of other places that are just as bad if not worse, but the list is short and georgia is near the top.
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Back then, "Americans would throw things out their cars at me when I would walk down this street to lunch." On one memorable occasion, as he walked through the local park with friends, he says a group of black and white men drove by and opened fire on them with pellet guns.
Hey, cool! Blacks and whites are learning to cooperate after all!
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You could not be more wrong regarding "overwhelming public support". I lived in Forsyth County and Lumpkin County a total of 7 years. I lived in Georgia for 25 years prior to moving here where I am now. Yes, it is true there is a KKK chapter near Dahlonega, based in Dawson County, and yes, there is a man who runs a nazi type organization who lives in Lumpkin County, that much is true, but overwhelming public support? NO! When I lived in Forsyth County and the KKK would come from Dawson Co to march every now and then, the overwhelming majority, like, 95% of the crowd were completely against the march and were very angry about it. Out of 500 people maybe 15 or 20 were on their side. In Dahlonega, I never once saw the KKK march. There were racists there just like everywhere, but it was in no way overwhelmingly racist by no means. I am a minority myself, and not one time was I discriminated against when I lived in Georgia. I am not sure what this has to do with a woman (who might not even be a southerner) humiliating her child at Walmart, but you are WAY off the mark considering this area to be overwhelmingly racist. Racists exist everywhere, but where I saw the most personally were in southern georgia and southern alabama towns, not in north georgia.
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I lived in Dahlongega for over ten years and I agree with everything you have written. I knew about the KKK being in the area, but never saw them in Dahlonega.
This reminds me of an interview in which Morgan Freeman was asked why he chooses to still live in Mississippi, when he could clearly live anywhere he wants to. He said that at least in the south you know who the racists are. Up north they are every bit as racist, if not more, they just hide it.
I have had several northern friends agree with me on that.
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We've had this discussion before.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=90462#90462 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=90462#90462)
Remember, when you attempted to tell a black man that there was no racism in Dahlonega?
A Grand Dragon lives in Dahlonega, which is the Headquarters for National Alliance.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=95965#95965 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=95965#95965)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=95984#95984 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=95984#95984)
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while i was there witnessed a rally in dahlonega and there was a full crowd cheering. i will publish a link when i have more time.
if you go anywhere in the woods, you will see KKK spraypained on nearly every rock outcropping.
At the AA meetings, there was blatant racist comments being thrown around all the time by the town folk. the funniest thing i think is this: AA represents a good cross-section of society. Up here in the north, when you show up to an AA meeting you see middle aged professional men and women, with an occasional young person. but they all look NORMAL. the people down in dahlonega are some of the most VILE people i have ever had contact with. they look like they just came up for a visit from the 9th circle of hell. some lack teeth, some have skin that looks like a freshly cleaned chicken with liverspots. they looked liked the methheads you see on T.V all the time. others you can smell from across the room. and all are racist. some hide it, others dont.
on my 4 month my parents drove around all over and we went for a dinner at some resurant in gainesville. we walked in, and before i could say "table for 3 please" some guys just came up to us, blocked way and said "sorry, we dont serve kikes here".
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Where I grew up in Washigton state we had a very active Klan group. They used to have their meetings at a gravel pit not more than a couple miles from my house. We could, my Dad and I, stand out in the front yard and look over the fields and in the distance see them whooping it up.
Now mind you I'd rather stab my old man with a fork than admit he actually imparted something on me other than a beating, but his words still ring true when he said, "Damn, those are some stupid fuckers."
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while i was there witnessed a rally in dahlonega and there was a full crowd cheering. i will publish a link when i have more time.
if you go anywhere in the woods, you will see KKK spraypained on nearly every rock outcropping.
At the AA meetings, there was blatant racist comments being thrown around all the time by the town folk. the funniest thing i think is this: AA represents a good cross-section of society. Up here in the north, when you show up to an AA meeting you see middle aged professional men and women, with an occasional young person. but they all look NORMAL. the people down in dahlonega are some of the most VILE people i have ever had contact with. they look like they just came up for a visit from the 9th circle of hell. some lack teeth, some have skin that looks like a freshly cleaned chicken with liverspots. they looked liked the methheads you see on T.V all the time. others you can smell from across the room. and all are racist. some hide it, others dont.
on my 4 month my parents drove around all over and we went for a dinner at some resurant in gainesville. we walked in, and before i could say "table for 3 please" some guys just came up to us, blocked way and said "sorry, we dont serve kikes here".
I call BS on that last statement. Which resturant in Gainesville?
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dont remember the exact name, it was too long ago. it was one of those roadside cozy mom&pop little southern eateries where they only serve fried food. i remember passing an airport followed by a golf course on the left on the way there, and on the right on the way back, the resturant was about 10min down the road and a bit out of the way. i forgot to add that the two guys who stood up were probably not employees, as they were eating untill we walked in, and they didnt look like the resturant workin type, more the trailertrash type.
face it, you georgians live among some of the most vile and racist exuses of human beings in this country. you can imagine all you want that you live in a nice little tolerant society, but you live far from it. sure, there may be people who are normal and tolerant, and they probably make up a slight majority, but they are a silent majority which makes them just as bad; the racists run the show in georgia. if they didnt, someone like bob barr would never have been elected THREE TIMES. congressmen are elected by the people for the people, if a congressman is blatently racist, yet gets re-elected multiple times it shows alot about the population of his district. white power people would never have been able to hold a rally if there was a true tolerant majority, on the steps of the town hall to boot! in most northern states hate speech is considered illegal, as it provokes violence and falls into the category of "fighting words". try having the same thing on the steps of NYC or boston city hall.
and HLA is full, absolutely FULL of racists. of course, for tax reasons and whatnot they need to have a diverse staff, but it's purely for show. for example, if you're black and work there you need to act whiter than the white people. any "black" outburst, anything, you get in lots o trouble. "black" behavior is labeled as "gang-like" "druggie" and "imagy" and they discourage staff from acting it. the few black kids to go to HLA are often admonished for "acting black" and are taught to be more "white". and behind closed doors things can get fairly nasty. i've heard white restriction staff use the N word plenty of times against the students (rob hyde, klee, clay), but as soon as a black staff like jason h came around, they got all buddy buddy and acted like nothing happened, like they are not racists. there is a very good reason why very, very, very few blacks ever get sent away to HLA, and the ones who do get pulled almost immediatly. my entire 18 month stay there was only ONE black kid there. a few hispanics, a few islanders, but just one black; i remember at least half a dozen came around though. they all flipped their shit, ran away, and were never heard from again.
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You might have experienced 1 racist restaurant in Hall County, but let me tell you something, I worked in Hall county for 2 years. I lived in Dekalb, Gwinnett, Forsyth, Lumpkin and Rabun County for the years I lived in Georgia. I am a minority, I am hispanic. I have never, ever in my 25 years in Georgia experienced anything like what you speak of. I never between the years of 1997 and 2002 saw a klan rally in Dahlonega. I did see one in Forsyth around 1996, and people hated that they were there. Was I living in a bubble the entire 25 years of my time in Georgia? I think not. I have black friends, black family members, black coworkers at the time back then. Not once did I ever see racism against them or against me. Yes there are racists in Georgia, but in Michigan I saw worse racism than I ever saw in Georgia. In Alabama I saw worse racism, but not in North Georgia. Not in 25 years. So if you experienced that in Hall County I can assure you that was a very isolated incident and you were just lucky I guess. You make it sound as if every Georgian is inbred, toothless uneducated, and ignorant. How far from the truth you are. Most NOrth Georgians arent even from Georgia, they are immigrants to the area. Its a growing area of Georgia. And you do not know the TRUE Georgia like I know it.
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Ironically, by generalizing your experiences to all Georgians you are doing the same thing that many racists do. They take isolated incidents or limited knowledge of a group of people and claim that is what the entire race is like.
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read more carefully.
"sure, there may be people who are normal and tolerant, and they probably make up a slight majority, but they are a silent majority which makes them just as bad; the racists run the show in georgia."
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This is a truly fascinating blog.
First, you have a debate regarding racism and racist groups in Georgia.
Then you have one of your own begging for money based on freedom of speech.
And he is wanting to "fuck up some programs".
Never under estimate morons in small groups.
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This is a truly fascinating blog.
First, you have a debate regarding racism and racist groups in Georgia.
Then you have one of your own begging for money based on freedom of speech.
And he is wanting to "fuck up some programs".
Never under estimate morons in small groups.
Never overestimate a moron who still works at HLA.
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This is a truly fascinating blog.
First, you have a debate regarding racism and racist groups in Georgia.
Then you have one of your own begging for money based on freedom of speech.
And he is wanting to "fuck up some programs".
Never under estimate morons in small groups.
it's quite moronic of you to think that psy wanting money has anything to do with this discussion, it's a banner which is placed at the end of every page on fornits.
and what does freedom of speech have to do with this? are you implying that psy doesnt have the right to ask for money?
.....johnny just got himself a another shovelfull of dirt. keep diggin your grave buddy.