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Announcements & Tech Support => Web forum hosting => Topic started by: Antigen on September 22, 2007, 04:12:12 PM
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I've been reading up on PV over the past couple of days. There's some really good content and it seems to have it's own 'legs'. Does it need it's own forum? What sort of description should it have?
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Just so long as people start learning to go to the sub-forums instead of exclusively reading TTI...
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Of course, I'd leave ghost topics for anything I move to prime the new forum. Speaking of which, I've bumped all I know of:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=284646#284646 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=284646#284646)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=283895#283895 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=283895#283895)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=282927#282927 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=282927#282927)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=282887#282887 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=282887#282887)
Any more?
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I dunno if you think it can help, they certainly have built a little hell out there in Tennessee. I really want them shutdown and I guess having a permanent presence on fornits would help attract more people. Yeah go for it.....
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We discussed this once before, and I think it's a good idea but I still have the same concerns. Psy and I were discussing setting up a blog for PV last week, and I mentioned the similarities between Benchmark and PV regarding the number of kids who go through the program. With a full load, PV might have fifty kids. The program is prohibitively expensive - a full run is up to $200,000, and you won't get by for less than $75,000. Add to that the recent report PV is requiring a $17,000 deposit before they'll even discuss insurance, due to the number of parents pulling kids out very early.
I worry that a sub forum will get lost in the shuffle due to the limited number of kids involved. Unlike WWASP or Straight survivors, there's a much smaller group involved. So, you figure the number of kids who just want to put it behind them, or are embarrassed and won't speak, and the vocal survivors. On average, we're seeing the same percentages as the Big Evils, but it's still a smaller group all around.
As Psy noted, less kids going through the program certainly doesn't make PV less of a hellhole - quite the contrary, I've had survivors and former counselors from other facilities tell me PV is the most abusive program they've heard of.
I voted a big "hells yeah", though. We may be working with a smaller group, but they're extremely focused in their desire to shut this place down. The PV video is great - I know the "director", and she will not stand for anything less than the eradication of PV and the whole twisted, immoral industry. We'll keep posting news on what's going on, and we've got some serious irons in the fire. The license issues are key, and might lead to some serious shite....
For a description, we could use something like a forum for survivors (and parents) to discuss their experiences at PV and discuss activism and efforts toward shutting the place down. My wife and I know all the current PV posters except Milkblood, maybe we can plan a group IM session with the PV crew, Ginger, Webdiva, Hanzomon and Psy to map it out.
Thanks, Ginger, for taking an interest in this abominable place. I was seriously ready to give up, I guess you know that. When it ate at me until I couldn't sleep, I knew I couldn't walk away. My family needs to see it through.
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I wish you guys the best of luck. Some of these little ones end up sliding under the radar. Good to see people shedding some light on it.
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For a description, we could use something like a forum for survivors (and parents) to discuss their experiences at PV and discuss activism and efforts toward shutting the place down. My wife and I know all the current PV posters except Milkblood, maybe we can plan a group IM session with the PV crew, Ginger, Webdiva, Hanzomon and Psy to map it out.
Thanks, Ginger, for taking an interest in this abominable place. I was seriously ready to give up, I guess you know that. When it ate at me until I couldn't sleep, I knew I couldn't walk away. My family needs to see it through.
Course, Zen, As I've been mulling this wicked issue over for the past decade or so I've come to two major conclusions. 1. The troubled parent industry is not an isolated problem in our society. It's a natural outcropping of pervasive societal ill. It will not be fully resolved in our lifetime. 2. Following on that you have to pace yourself. There will always be something astir.
I'd be happy to group IM anytime soon. Just not too sure how much time I'll have online in the next week or so cause I'm moving.
But, mean time, I need some detail for a description. PV is a CEDU clone, what's the hard link? Something like this:
" Hyde Schools
Hyde boarding schools in Bath, Maine and Woodstock, Connecticut; Hyde Leadership Public Charter School in Washington, D.C. Joseph Gauld founded the original Hyde School in 1966 in Bath, Maine. Founded in 1989, Hyde Leadership is a non-profit, tax-exempt institution governed by an independent Board of Trustees.
Moderator Nobody"
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For a description, we could use something like a forum for survivors (and parents) to discuss their experiences at PV and discuss activism and efforts toward shutting the place down. My wife and I know all the current PV posters except Milkblood, maybe we can plan a group IM session with the PV crew, Ginger, Webdiva, Hanzomon and Psy to map it out.
Thanks, Ginger, for taking an interest in this abominable place. I was seriously ready to give up, I guess you know that. When it ate at me until I couldn't sleep, I knew I couldn't walk away. My family needs to see it through.
Course, Zen, As I've been mulling this wicked issue over for the past decade or so I've come to two major conclusions. 1. The troubled parent industry is not an isolated problem in our society. It's a natural outcropping of pervasive societal ill. It will not be fully resolved in our lifetime. 2. Following on that you have to pace yourself. There will always be something astir.
I'd be happy to group IM anytime soon. Just not too sure how much time I'll have online in the next week or so cause I'm moving.
But, mean time, I need some detail for a description. PV is a CEDU clone, what's the hard link? Something like this:
" Hyde Schools
Hyde boarding schools in Bath, Maine and Woodstock, Connecticut; Hyde Leadership Public Charter School in Washington, D.C. Joseph Gauld founded the original Hyde School in 1966 in Bath, Maine. Founded in 1989, Hyde Leadership is a non-profit, tax-exempt institution governed by an independent Board of Trustees.
Moderator Nobody"
Well. Just one note... I don't think PV is a CEDU clone (though I might be wrong). I think I'm going to enjoy this new forum, though... I say go for it and create the forum. PV is shitty enough by far to deserve it's own forum.
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The real ones to ask are the kids who got fucked over by PV. Are they going to be posting in it consistently or will it become another ghost town like Benchmark or Teen Challenge forums?
I'd be hesitant to suggest a forum if it will crush their interest. So far they only seem to have or had a few active threads and one of them was instigated by an outsider down in the facilites forum.
Are these kids going to want to post or is it going to be a dead forum?
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Guess we could try it for a week and see what happens..?
Just make the goddam forum already and quit debating it! ::blah::
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If hot latina teens deserves a forum, then I think an abusive program deserves one too, it's only fair. And we all know how fair life is.
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For a description, we could use something like a forum for survivors (and parents) to discuss their experiences at PV and discuss activism and efforts toward shutting the place down. My wife and I know all the current PV posters except Milkblood, maybe we can plan a group IM session with the PV crew, Ginger, Webdiva, Hanzomon and Psy to map it out.
Thanks, Ginger, for taking an interest in this abominable place. I was seriously ready to give up, I guess you know that. When it ate at me until I couldn't sleep, I knew I couldn't walk away. My family needs to see it through.
Course, Zen, As I've been mulling this wicked issue over for the past decade or so I've come to two major conclusions. 1. The troubled parent industry is not an isolated problem in our society. It's a natural outcropping of pervasive societal ill. It will not be fully resolved in our lifetime. 2. Following on that you have to pace yourself. There will always be something astir.
I'd be happy to group IM anytime soon. Just not too sure how much time I'll have online in the next week or so cause I'm moving.
But, mean time, I need some detail for a description. PV is a CEDU clone, what's the hard link? Something like this:
" Hyde Schools
Hyde boarding schools in Bath, Maine and Woodstock, Connecticut; Hyde Leadership Public Charter School in Washington, D.C. Joseph Gauld founded the original Hyde School in 1966 in Bath, Maine. Founded in 1989, Hyde Leadership is a non-profit, tax-exempt institution governed by an independent Board of Trustees.
Moderator Nobody"
Well. Just one note... I don't think PV is a CEDU clone (though I might be wrong). I think I'm going to enjoy this new forum, though... I say go for it and create the forum. PV is shitty enough by far to deserve it's own forum.
I'm not sure if CEDU was the model, either. Initially it may have been, but PV has metamorphed several times in twenty years. PV got a bit of heat applied for their overuse of the goon hand on the kids early in the decade, and claimed to "clean up". It looks like the current PV is styled after it's nearby NATSAP kin, HLA, right down to the gross misrepresentations I clarified on the PV licensing thread. I think what I found in the PV handbook is the smoking gun on that particular license issue, we've got a couple others to nail down.
Now there seems to be a new "direction" at PV - very Christian oriented. Check out their latest batch of new hires on the PV website. Praise Gawd and pass the Thorazine...
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I am very happy to see PV have its own forum... I think that the one in TTI is totally ruined now because of the complete losss of focus... Thank you for adding this!!! I will post soon... Ive got a bad sinus infection right now...but you know ill be back quicker than you can say "Nurse Ratchett, get 5mg of Thorazine ready"
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having a forum, moderated or otherwise, will do little to ensure focus on the threads. I'm torn on the idea, but in the end it has more to do with the people who endured the shithole, and very little to do with my own personal opinion. Hopefully the new forum, should it come about, will thrive into a vigorous community.
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How about this as a compromise: sub-forums.
This way PV-related threads can be grouped together, but still dwell within a larger forum of common interest.
If this is do-able, it might also serve as an umbrella-type format for not so frequently frequented forums with similar philosophy and/or origin and/or target clientele. I'm thinking here of Benchmark plus this program recently posted about in New Info called SLSHealth, whose targets are older teens and young adults.
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We could use this description - Peninsula Village: The Filthy, Virus-Laden Asshole of Hell. Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter
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We could use this description - Peninsula Village: The Filthy, Virus-Laden Asshole of Hell. Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
Sorry.
:D
But, hell yeah. Perfect descriptor.
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We could use this description - Peninsula Village: The Filthy, Virus-Laden Asshole of Hell. Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
Sorry.
:D
But, hell yeah. Perfect descriptor.
Damn! I sat and thought about that quote - I knew I had it wrong. Shoulda Googled some Dante.
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Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
All hope abandon ye who enter here.
...is the generally accepted form when it is more or less literally translated. However, given that it is translated from another language, and is in verse, one can't really say exactly how it should be translated, especially given that the most literal version is somewhat awkward on the tongue and would probably not have been Dante's choice had he been writing in English.
One is left to the devices and preferences of the translator, and I have seen it used all three ways, at least, not to mention punctuation-based sub-versions thereof...
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/aban ... -here.html (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/abandon-hope-all-ye-who-enter-here.html)
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=115554 (http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=115554)
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Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
All hope abandon ye who enter here.
...is the generally accepted form when it is more or less literally translated. However, given that it is translated from another language, and is in verse, one can't really say exactly how it should be translated, especially given that the most literal version is somewhat awkward on the tongue and would probably not have been Dante's choice had he been writing in English.
One is left to the devices and preferences of the translator, and I have seen it used all three ways, at least, not to mention punctuation-based sub-versions thereof...
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/aban ... -here.html (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/abandon-hope-all-ye-who-enter-here.html)
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=115554 (http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=115554)
Okay, we'll drop the Inferno quote and go with "Give it up, yo - you gettin' fucked for real if you step up in here, Homestead"
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Nah, I was just trying to say "keep the quote of your choice, and be sure to feel okay about it."
:lol:
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Maybe there shouldn't be a PV forum after all. :rofl:
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Maybe there shouldn't be a PV forum after all. :rofl:
I don't know...we could let Mokara/Free have a thread, something like "A PV Survivor's World View" where she could post more killer lines like "chicken-brained, crotch-grabbing baboon" which I've shortened to the acronym "CBCGB". Kind of makes me nostalgic for CBGB's, although I never went to the joint.
Anyway, with Mokara discussing how truly fucked the world is and using the PV experience as an analogy occasionally, we could keep the forum up on the list. My wife and I took Ginger's advice extremely seriously about documenting everything possible. I could post a PV atrocity a day and rattle people for months, especially after I start transcribing the phone therapy sessions and calls from the family therapist (Surprise, PV! Tennessee is a single party state, which means only one party has to be aware the conversation is being recorded...and that party wasn't you, PV people). We were told to quit posting negative comments about PV on sites like "CAFERTY"(sic) and remove the posts already up. Freedom of speech is a real a pain in the ass to PV, so they use contact with your child as an "incentive" to guarantee your total cooperation. They'll check the mail difficult parents send, to gauge the "negativity" level. I remember one letter I sent encouraging my girl not to provoke the "goon handlers" in charge of her. We'd been reading the counselors' MySpaces, and it was obvious a great many of them were not even qualified to clean up the vile mess left after one of' PVs recurring gastrointestinal virus outbreaks.
A more accurate description of PV's practice of parental alienation is "blackmail".
You have to get with the PV program and keep your mouth shut, grin and bear every idiocy you witness, or you might not see your kid for a year or more, and after spending all that time sucking up AA drivel, confessing to offenses never committed until believing they really occurred, and listening to how "bad" the uncooperative parent is, the child might not love you after the Maoist re-education, or may not want to associate with a non-programee.
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^ Sealed the deal.....
PV forum is needed
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A forum needs more than just one poster.
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I don't think free will be the only poster. We already have a few people here and perhaps if you build it more will come. PV has some interesting aspects to it like it's state license, JACHO certification, NATSAP approved status that kind of blows away the idea that abuse can be lessened by these pieces of paper. PV is not unique in this but perhaps through having a place to discuss all the aspects of this one program we can gain more insight into other similar programs.....
I don't know I think it's worth a try....
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The JCAHO certification isn't PV's, it was given to Park West Medical, the hospital that provides the umbrella for Peninsula Behavioral Health, and Park West is under the umbrella of the omnipotent Covenant Health. We did a lot of checking on the JCAHO certification and found only two clinical labs at the Park West Hospital had received the certifications. It's fairly obvious PV is riding the coattails of a very small part of Park West which received JCAHO certification.
Of course, PV isn't used to people questioning them. We've already discussed what happens to parents who question the program - they become persona non grata.
There's a guideline PV gave my wife listing what they expected from my wife in order for her to be able to see her daughter. This happened right after the therapist told my wife she couldn't post about PV on "CAFERTY". My wife told her to "put it in writing", which they did and conveniently left out the posting issue. Basically it was a list of demands and odd threats, and even though my wife agreed to the weird conditions, they still refused her participation because the PV treatment team couldn't be sure she would actually follow the guideline. That's PV logic...give you a guideline, then refuse to give you a chance to follow it.
We've never posted the guideline, it was important not to rock the boat too much while our girl was in there. My wife and I talked about it last weekend, and agreed it would be okay to post now. I'll put it up tonight, and if that doesn't convince everyone that PV's treatment team is crazier than a cage full of tripping squirrels, nothing will.
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Maybe there shouldn't be a PV forum after all. :rofl:
I don't know...we could let Mokara/Free have a thread, something like "A PV Survivor's World View" where she could post more killer lines like "chicken-brained, crotch-grabbing baboon" which I've shortened to the acronym "CBCGB". Kind of makes me nostalgic for CBGB's, although I never went to the joint.
Anyway, with Mokara discussing how truly fucked the world is and using the PV experience as an analogy occasionally, we could keep the forum up on the list. My wife and I took Ginger's advice extremely seriously about documenting everything possible. I could post a PV atrocity a day and rattle people for months, especially after I start transcribing the phone therapy sessions and calls from the family therapist (Surprise, PV! Tennessee is a single party state, which means only one party has to be aware the conversation is being recorded...and that party wasn't you, PV people). We were told to quit posting negative comments about PV on sites like "CAFERTY"(sic) and remove the posts already up. Freedom of speech is a real a pain in the ass to PV, so they use contact with your child as an "incentive" to guarantee your total cooperation. They'll check the mail difficult parents send, to gauge the "negativity" level. I remember one letter I sent encouraging my girl not to provoke the "goon handlers" in charge of her. We'd been reading the counselors' MySpaces, and it was obvious a great many of them were not even qualified to clean up the vile mess left after one of' PVs recurring gastrointestinal virus outbreaks.
A more accurate description of PV's practice of parental alienation is "blackmail".
You have to get with the PV program and keep your mouth shut, grin and bear every idiocy you witness, or you might not see your kid for a year or more, and after spending all that time sucking up AA drivel, confessing to offenses never committed until believing they really occurred, and listening to how "bad" the uncooperative parent is, the child might not love you after the Maoist re-education, or may not want to associate with a non-programee.
So sad but so true. I know of a few people who's parents were 'terminated' from Straight and they ended up going back on their own for fear that they'd DIE without Straight. They ended up completely alone because we weren't allowed to communicate with anyone who wasn't approved by Newt and the program.
:flame: :flame: :flame:
btw....I think giving Free her own thread or blog or whatever you call it is a great idea. It will give her an outlet she so badly needs yet preserve the threads for discussion. I just wish, for her sake, that she's read some of what others write. I found the PTSD a little easier to deal with by reading how some others got through it. There's a lot of great stuff here if she'd slow down a bit. And maybe she wouldn't view so many of us as her enemy if she knew a little more about us. Easier said than done, I know.
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Shit, Free will continue to post on the PV thread like she always has. I could give a flyin' fuck what Free does, really... Let her post on that fucking PV thread until the cows come home, it doesn't matter to me. Why are we so fucking concerned about where free posts or doesn't post? Damn control freaks!! :rofl:
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Shit, Free will continue to post on the PV thread like she always has. I could give a flyin' fuck what Free does, really... Let her post on that fucking PV thread until the cows come home, it doesn't matter to me. Why are we so fucking concerned about where free posts or doesn't post? Damn control freaks!! :rofl:
To damn true.....
Good point.
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Kind of derails the topic, don't you think? Sexism, over medication, stalkers, all very fine and good topics - wrong place for a thread simply called Peninsula Village. No one's attempting to control free, and I doubt anyone could. That's her thread, currently, but someone coming to the forum looking for PV info would be a little baffled by everything past about page 33 of a hundred plus page thread.
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Every message she posted, and all the messages responding to her could be selected and split off to it's own thread.
Very simple, just time consuming.
I don't know who would have to give the okay to do that, but any mod can perform that task.
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bump
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I second zen agent and any else who wants the info to get out there and stay on topic about PV or any other gulag.
Please someone move the "free" thread to a more appropriate forum. If we are going to be effective for other survivors, the info has to be accessible, not some totally off-topic (though greatly entertaining) crapola from some single poster.
Or start another PV forum, I don't care which.
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Oh look it is "anon" from the PV thread. Have you forgotten again that Free only posts on that one pv thread? Oppps..
Guess so..
Gee maybe you haven't taken the time to look around and notice that there are plenty of other threads about PV. Some threads that are followed by a variety of interested outsiders? The PV thread in the Facilities and Questions forum was not only followed by several PV staffers it was followed by several persons from places like Heal, Astart, and other organizations.
A thread that free has yet to post on by the way..
But that hasn't registered on your tiny little brain?
guess not..
seriously.. get a life.
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23704 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23704)
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23704
Thanks, that's a good idea and I've got something gnawing away at me now.