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Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: ajax13 on September 22, 2007, 01:54:45 AM
Details of AARC's most recent miracle are being kept under wraps out in Vancouver.  With the push on to open the AARC feedlot in Fort St. John BC, the hatches have been battened down.  Kitsilano residents already suspect that the fix is in, although Left Coasters have no idea who is keeping the lid on the Evans affair.  Although Evans murderd one of the most vulnerable members of society, the spin is already being put on the ball to blame the victim: apparently Nicole Parisien's lifestyle led to a deranged monster murdering her and dumping her body.  Countdown to the first utterance of "addiction is a deadly disease" in the Vancouver courts has begun.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on September 22, 2007, 05:08:10 AM
What Andy did has nothing to do with AARC, so shut the fuck up. Do not use this tragic incident to support what you say about AARC. Leave the guy alone. You probably have never met him before, and if you had, you'd probably have some sensitivity about the whole thing.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: hanzomon4 on September 22, 2007, 12:56:15 PM
Isn't it true that AARC teaches that druggies and prostitutes have no rights? Being that he was an AARC wonder could he have perhaps been trying to show her some AARC love?
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: ajax13 on September 22, 2007, 02:00:46 PM
I knew one fellow who killed a hooker.  He worked as a farm-hand for my family.  Spent twenty-odd years in Kingston, where he died.  last time I saw him he bought my a chocolate milk and Hickory Stix, but he killed a hooker, just like Evans.
  This incident embodies everything wrong with AARC.  In AARC the inmates are encouraged to attack other inmates with impunity.  The newcomers are objectified and turned into targets for all the rage that abused children harbor.  Inmates are in fact rewarded for this behavior, as compliance with AARC results in speedier movement through the program.  
  AARCies are like returning vets from the Viet Nam war.  Their psyches are destroyed by what they have seen and done, and thus they have massively high levels of crime and substance abuse.  
  AARC trots out their brain-wash victims to sell the program, but the AARC products who run amok have nothing to do with AARC?
Can't have it both ways.
  I've known a lot of drug users in my day, but I never knew one who killed anybody.  AARC's got about a one percent rate of graduates who are murderers.  And so far, out of the '98-'02 cohort from the "study", Evans is charged with murder, Tilden is incarcerated, O'Flynn was sentenced to AARC, Mazur is dead.  Since I just started looking into this in April, that doesn't seem to bear out AARC's claims to success.
  As for Evans, if I were him I would get my lawyer to use time in AARC as a defense.  Claim an automoton state induced by PTSD, caused by prolonged abuse in a con-artist's religious camp.  By the way, what sort of AARC influence will be wielded here?  My guess is that the Wizard shows up during sentencing.
Title: AARC is to blame
Post by: SpecialLadyFriend on September 22, 2007, 03:11:40 PM
Andy was programmed to believe that he only had two paths in life, sober AARCie or wasted druggie. He was never told their was an inbetween or any other way of living. When Andy took that first drink he truly believed he had failed and would have so much shame and humiliation to deal with he put no restraints on his behavior (hung for sheep as a lamb). It is hard to understand unless you have felt that. I nearly killed myself after AARC because I believed I had failed and could never be happy.
AARC is to blame for that. AARC told this little boy that if he did not follow their teachings he was going to end up insaneinjailordead, and they drilled it into his head. When that castle started to crumble he had no reason to believe he would ever come out of it alive.
So Fuck AARC for teaching children that they are bad. Fuck AARC for teaching children their is only one way to live. Fuck AARC for creating a monkey, dressing him up for their shows and then unleashing a monster.
I hold AARC responsible this.
As for sensitivity, show some for the real victim. Not the guy who might spend life in jail, but for the life that was ended. You want to go to tell Nicole's mother that Andy was a really nice guy and she should show some compassion? You should pull your head out of your ass and step into the real world.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2007, 02:53:35 AM
^^^^ Yeah! What she said!
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2007, 05:21:25 AM
I wasn't defending what he did... Are you kidding me?!?! i have compassion for the girl who was murdered. Its terrible what happened. But what i was saying is that there are 2 lives ruined by this incident. It didn't need to happen. But AARC is not to blame for this. I don't know if anyone on this site has experience with being so drunk and high you arn't in control of yourself, but that is the state he was in. Yet Andy should be held fully responsible for his own actions. The fact that you state, "I HOLD AARC RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS," is truly retarded. Pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass and step into the "real" world. Perhaps we could blame violent video games for this, we could blame the alcohol compaines for making such evil liquid availible, or we could blame rap music. Yes, this happened because of rap music. In alot of modern rap music women and veiwed lesser and discrimanated against. Perhaps those veiws were ingrained into him and in a drunken rage he commited what he felt was right........ That reasoning is stupid, as is yours. So is trying to blame AARC for this. So you can all shut the fuck up and quit talking about Andy.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: hanzomon4 on September 23, 2007, 05:48:12 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I wasn't defending what he did... Are you kidding me?!?! i have compassion for the girl who was murdered. Its terrible what happened. But what i was saying is that there are 2 lives ruined by this incident. It didn't need to happen. But AARC is not to blame for this. I don't know if anyone on this site has experience with being so drunk and high you arn't in control of yourself, but that is the state he was in. Yet Andy should be held fully responsible for his own actions. The fact that you state, "I HOLD AARC RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS," is truly retarded. Pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass and step into the "real" world. Perhaps we could blame violent video games for this, we could blame the alcohol compaines for making such evil liquid availible, or we could blame rap music. Yes, this happened because of rap music. In alot of modern rap music women and veiwed lesser and discrimanated against. Perhaps those veiws were ingrained into him and in a drunken rage he commited what he felt was right........ That reasoning is stupid, as is yours. So is trying to blame AARC for this. So you can all shut the fuck up and quit talking about Andy.


No you dumb fuck, AARC inspires violence that one day will sink it. What you fail to understand is that the people that AARC hurt will one day speakout and what goes on in that hell hole will be known by all the world. Don't try to play us as fools we know, we fucking know about the evils committed against our family and friends.

AARC is more evil then the drugs and alcohol you blame for everything, including the abuse suffered by people we care about. Alcohol and drugs don't hurt people in the way AARC has hurt people, and that hurt is specific  and sharp as a knife.

I will enjoy watching this monster(AARC) burn    :flame:  

 ::mecry::
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2007, 06:17:20 AM
"AARC is more evil then the drugs and alcohol..."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT??? HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN DOWN SKID ROW?? MAIN AND HASTINGS VANCOUVER IS EVIL.

Sigmund Freud believed that potty training determined a persons personality when they got older.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: hanzomon4 on September 23, 2007, 06:20:49 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
"AARC is more evil then the drugs and alcohol..."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT??? HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN DOWN SKID ROW?? MAIN AND HASTINGS VANCOUVER IS EVIL.

Sigmund Freud believed that potty training determined a persons personality when they got older.


Oh yeah I know, I fucking know....

AARC knows, AARC parents and families Know....

Which are you? AARC staff, parent/family?
Title: Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2007, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
"AARC is more evil then the drugs and alcohol..."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT??? HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN DOWN SKID ROW?? MAIN AND HASTINGS VANCOUVER IS EVIL.

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I have, and I know someone who has been working with these people.  Inevitably they all have baggage that has led them into addiction.  many were sexually abused long before they started using drugs.  
Both sides in this debate seem to be using a logic of "after it, therefore because of it".    Nevertheless, it is clear that AARC is in and of itself abusive.  Just as some people who have been abused do NOT fall into a life of addiction or homelessness, so some people , graduates of AARC do not suffer long term effects either.  They get over it and are able to move on.  but that doesn't excuse AARC any more than it excuses the abusers of children.    It's also clear from the Picton case that the attitudes held by so many in positions of power that these druggies and prostitutes are viewed as the "scum of the earth" and therefore not worth bothering about.  It was also evident in the attitudes abounding in Prince George where the Judge was able to get away with raping and torturing young girls for so long.  As my friend has told me, even many of the social workers still view them as scum where they should treat them with respect.  The AARCOLYTES evidently do not understand the meaning of the word.  It's not the drug that's evil, it's the circumstances that brought them to the drugs in their attempts to self-medicate their pain.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: ajax13 on September 23, 2007, 12:32:32 PM
Hi David, I thought you weren'g going to post on here anymore.   Alcohol is an evil liquid.  So is maple syrup.  The two conspired to throw the 1919 World Series.  Why are so many grads of an intensive treatment program ending up on crack?  Woods, as an example, was a child when went into AARC.  Want to tell me he had a crack habit?  I've worked with crackheads.  They spend a couple hundred a day or more when they're bingeing.  Are you going to tell me that the thirteen-year olds at AARC are on crack?  Well, they certainly seem to be after AARC.  
As for skid-row.  How many folks on skid-row are graduates of the unique AARC/Kids/Straight/Seed/Synanon program?  
How many graduates of AARC are ending up using hard drugs, killing themselves or committing violent crimes?
Let' use another group.  I have seen  a lot of rugby players from Calgary drunk and using drugs.  So far, the only one I know of murdering a hooker  and dumping her body outside is an AARC grad.  So of Calgary rugby players who use drugs and drink and then kill hookers, 100% of them come from AARC.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 23, 2007, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I wasn't defending what he did... Are you kidding me?!?! i have compassion for the girl who was murdered. Its terrible what happened. But what i was saying is that there are 2 lives ruined by this incident. It didn't need to happen. But AARC is not to blame for this. I don't know if anyone on this site has experience with being so drunk and high you arn't in control of yourself, but that is the state he was in. Yet Andy should be held fully responsible for his own actions. The fact that you state, "I HOLD AARC RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS," is truly retarded. Pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass and step into the "real" world. Perhaps we could blame violent video games for this, we could blame the alcohol compaines for making such evil liquid availible, or we could blame rap music. Yes, this happened because of rap music. In alot of modern rap music women and veiwed lesser and discrimanated against. Perhaps those veiws were ingrained into him and in a drunken rage he commited what he felt was right........ That reasoning is stupid, as is yours. So is trying to blame AARC for this. So you can all shut the fuck up and quit talking about Andy.



Wrong.  Rap music wasn't promising to help or cure him.  Rap music wasn't demanding full disclosure of intimate secrets in front of strangers.  Rap music wasn't telling him that he'd DIE without if.  Rap music wasn't 'confronting' him for hours on end to help him 'realize how bad he was before'.  Rap music didn't murder his soul.  That responsibility lies in the hands of those who tried to 'help' by force, by making him believe he was powerless and worthless without them.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2007, 04:42:14 PM
Well "Special" Lady, looks like they were right.
AARC told this little boy that if he did not follow their teachings he was going to end up insaneinjailordead. (why is that always all one word on here?)  And they were right.  He fell off the wagon and did end up insaneinjailordead. Go back to addictions and yup, you live outside of your own control.

Like you morons, on a blog site.  Seemingly ALL DAY EVERYDAY, and ALL NIGHT.

Don't you get tired of your OWN SELVES?

I guess I'd use too...
Title: messed up!
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2007, 05:39:45 PM
You guys are messed up!  
For those of you blaming a treatment centre for someone else's actions...that is stupid...its a treatment centre, not GOD!  
If treatment centres didnt exist, there would be ALOT more fucked up people in this world than there is.  Think about it ... those who relapse, relapse, and are no worse off than they were...if ONE single person becomes a better person, then that my friend is a miracle!
We dont need 80 different people to blame for one person's misconduct.....one is enough - and he turned himslef in!  What is wrong with you people?????
Have some respect.....self-centeredness only gets you so far!
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: ajax13 on September 24, 2007, 05:59:53 PM
Relapse is a nonsense word.  People drink or use other drugs or they don't.  Evans used drugs and then murdered someone.  The majority of people use drugs and/or drink, but most do not murder hookers.  But out of the tiny little group of grads from AARC, why so many committing suicide and murdering and otherwise creating mayhem?  
This treatment centre is, without a doubt, fucking up people.  But then it's not licensed as a treatment centre; the Executive Director is not a psychologist although he has repeatedly lied about being one, and his only accreditation in the field of adolescent drug rehabilitation is a mail-order PhD that he got several years after opening All About Receiving Cash.  The staff are frantically scrambling to acquire some sort of legitimate accreditation, but for fifteen years they've used counsellors with no training other than the special magic spells that the Wizard learned at Kids.
But I guess it's okay to murder a hooker and dump her body as long as you turn yourself in.  They don't even try you for crimes if you turn yourself in.  That's right isn't it?
And golly, if one single person becomes a better person and one hundred kill themselves and another half dozen murder other folks, well, them's the breaks, right?
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: sicktomystomach on September 25, 2007, 02:29:01 AM
Ok I gotta respond to this. Those who relapse, relapse, yes they do. But they weren't killing people before their minds were messed up.

Take a person prone to blackouts while drinking.

Add equal gallons of shame, guilt, abuse, threats and involuntary confinement and everything else clients need to endure in SOME treatment centres and you now have a person who blacks out AND kills people while drinking.

1.43% of AARC "Graduates" commit murder.

I guess what you're saying is AARC has NO affect on people?? I guess they can't be held responsible for HELPING people if they can't be responsible for HURTING people either, and vice versa.

I'm entitled to my opinion, but, go ahead... I know it's coming... bash me.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Rachael on September 25, 2007, 03:16:39 AM
Quote from: ""sicktomystomach""
Ok I gotta respond to this. Those who relapse, relapse, yes they do. But they weren't killing people before their minds were messed up.

Take a person prone to blackouts while drinking.

Add equal gallons of shame, guilt, abuse, threats and involuntary confinement and everything else clients need to endure in SOME treatment centres and you now have a person who blacks out AND kills people while drinking.

1.43% of AARC "Graduates" commit murder.

I guess what you're saying is AARC has NO affect on people?? I guess they can't be held responsible for HELPING people if they can't be responsible for HURTING people either, and vice versa.

I'm entitled to my opinion, but, go ahead... I know it's coming... bash me.



I do not bash people, and I hope you let me know if you feel you are being attacked. But here goes....

AARC is plenty powerful. They have the ability to change people's lives dramatically. They can hurt and offer a hand to soothe and make you feel all safe and warm. They offer to solve all of your problems - and for a while, they often do. When someone is in complete control of every aspect of your existence, down to whether or not you are allowed to use the bathroom, they can make you feel however they want you to feel.

This is all within AARC, once outside, this all changes. Because AARC simply does not allow any discussion of underlying issues. "You are not in here because your father molested you, you are in here because you were using drugs." AARC does not ever allow anyone to deal with the reasons they had to look for an escape in the first place. They claim that drugs were the cause of all your problems. They will in fact claim that every problem in your life was caused by your disease, and that AARC/AA will solve them all for you. I think that this is one of the most dangerous aspects of AARC. Because when a person gets out and happens across a difficult patch in their life (and everyone does), first they will try to apply everything AARC has taught them - One day at a time, Easy does it, etc. When AARC's method doesn't work to solve every problem, they have nowhere next to go. Because AARC constantly drills it into your head that no one can help you but AARC. No one knows you like another addict. And that AARC was the "end of the line". So when eventually AARC's principles don't solve everything, there is no backup plan. And because AARC has taught us all that doctors are "quacks" who know nothing about the problems we might have - same with therapists, psychiatrists, and friends not in the program - there is no where to go. They have nothing, so they give up. This has been the case with so many, many graduates that it is the true tragedy of AARC. It is not the physical and/or sexual abuse that some suffer, bad as it may be, but the lasting psychological damage that is done. AARC does not have a single professional psychiatrist or doctor onsite who treats or diagnoses underlying issues that these kids have. That is why AARC can be held (at least partially) responsible for the ultimate desperation and isolation that kids like Jason, Cody, Andy, Devon, etc, etc. feel at the end.
Title: Re: messed up!
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 25, 2007, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: ""calendarcountdown""
You guys are messed up!  
For those of you blaming a treatment centre for someone else's actions...that is stupid...its a treatment centre, not GOD!  

When the treatment center abuses the kids, its their fault.  


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If treatment centres didnt exist, there would be ALOT more fucked up people in this world than there is.


We're not talking about treatment centers.  We're talking about AARC.

 
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Think about it ... those who relapse, relapse, and are no worse off than they were...if ONE single person becomes a better person, then that my friend is a miracle!

No, its not.  You people use that to justify what you do.  Never mind that it harms thousands, if ONE person decides to stop using drugs (never mind that they most likely didn't have a drug problem to begin with as AARC doesn't require a diagnosis by a medical doctor) its worth the thousands of destroyed lives.  Bull   Shit



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We dont need 80 different people to blame for one person's misconduct.....one is enough - and he turned himslef in!  What is wrong with you people?????
Have some respect.....self-centeredness only gets you so far!



What's wrong with you that you would justify the harming of thousands because ONE person thinks that someone was helped?
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2007, 11:43:56 AM
are you high again Anne?
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2007, 11:45:56 AM
Well "Special" Lady, looks like they were right.
AARC told this little boy that if he did not follow their teachings he was going to end up insaneinjailordead. (why is that always all one word on here?) And they were right. He fell off the wagon and did end up insaneinjailordead. Go back to addictions and yup, you live outside of your own control.

Like you morons, on a blog site. Seemingly ALL DAY EVERYDAY, and ALL NIGHT.

Don't you get tired of your OWN SELVES?

I guess I'd use too...
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 25, 2007, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Well "Special" Lady, looks like they were right.
AARC told this little boy that if he did not follow their teachings he was going to end up insaneinjailordead. (why is that always all one word on here?) And they were right. He fell off the wagon and did end up insaneinjailordead. Go back to addictions and yup, you live outside of your own control.

Like you morons, on a blog site. Seemingly ALL DAY EVERYDAY, and ALL NIGHT.

Don't you get tired of your OWN SELVES?

I guess I'd use too...


Don't you get tired of calling people names because you've got nothing better to add to the conversation?  You keep telling us what losers we are for posting here but you sure can't seem to tear yourself away.
:rofl:

What's wrong with using responsibly?  Just because YOU can't doesn't mean others don't.  Step away from the KoolAid for a bit darlin'.  There's a whole big world out there for you to discover.
 :D



And for the last time, its not a BLOG, its a MESSAGE BOARD.  Blogs are written by one person, message boards have many members.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: ajax13 on September 25, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
Do you mean insane like the guy who calls himself a psychologist when he is not, and thinks that nobody will be the wiser?  And once more, with feelings, what are you doing in this forum?  You can go back to open meeting and see your favorite evangelist any time you wish.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: ajax13 on September 25, 2007, 02:17:12 PM
Do you mean insane like the guy who calls himself a psychologist when he is not, and thinks that nobody will be the wiser?  And once more, with feelings, what are you doing in this forum?  You can go back to open meeting and see your favorite evangelist any time you wish.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 25, 2007, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
AARC told this little boy that if he did not follow their teachings he was going to end up insaneinjailordead. (why is that always all one word on here?)



Because its the same shpiel most programs give frightened parents.  They tell them that their kid will be deadinsaneorinjail if they don't sign 'em up quick.  Then they tell the kids that if they ever reject AARC's philosophies, they'll be deadinsaneorinjail.  Its called a self-fulfilling prophecy and every legitimate psychologist knows that's a dangerous thing to fuck around with.  Its how cults operate.  Make the victim completely dependent on the program for their very salvation and you've got 'em for life.

Fucking sick assholes.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: hanzomon4 on September 25, 2007, 08:11:58 PM
[quote=""How Thought Reform Works (http://http://www.freeminds.org/psych/thought_reform.htm":75hvfgot)"] TACTIC 7. Certain secular psychological threats [force] are used or are present: That failure to adopt the approved attitude, belief, or consequent behavior will lead to severe punishment or dire consequence, (e.g. physical or mental illness, the reappearance of a prior physical illness, drug dependence, economic collapse, social failure, divorce, disintegration, failure to find a mate, etc.).[/quote]

It's telling that all the AARColytes that come here believe that we all have drug problems and no life. They convict themselves, with their own insults, of being a cult and they don't even know it.
 ::roflmao::
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2007, 03:13:55 AM
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Isn't it true that AARC teaches that druggies and prostitutes have no rights? Being that he was an AARC wonder could he have perhaps been trying to show her some AARC love?


No, that is not true. That statement is false, they do not "teach" that at all. I have been around there lately and that is just not the case.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: ajax13 on October 01, 2007, 01:18:06 PM
AARC teaches you that nobody has any rights but the Wizard.  
AARC violates three of the four Fundamental Freedoms of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:
Section 2
a. freedom of conscience and religion
At AARC you must accept a belief in powerlessness and also in a higher power.  You must also accept blame for using drugs.
b. freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression
AARC uses the old Synanon methods to control how a person thinks.  Opinions contrary to AARC's are not acceptable, and again belief in a higher power is mandatory.  AARC does not let children see their parents without an AARColyte present, thus preventing freedom of expression.  
d. Freedom of association
AARC will actually prevent children from seeing their own parents.
Section 7
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.
AARC takes the liberty of its inmates.  AARC compromises the security of the person by putting  teens in charge of other teens, and placing teens in the homes of parents whose only qualification is having produced a child who ende up at AARC
Section 9
Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.
At AARC you'll get out when the Wiz says you get out.
Section 12
Everyone has the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment and punishment.
Zero Club?
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2007, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Isn't it true that AARC teaches that druggies and prostitutes have no rights? Being that he was an AARC wonder could he have perhaps been trying to show her some AARC love?


No offense, but what the HELL are you talking about?

AARC teaches that "druggies and prostitutes" are human people just like anybody else, but their brain has been taken over by their disease. They treat them just like any other human, and want them to be helped. Theyve never said anything about them not having rights.

I knew andy. andy was an awesome guy when he was sober. He relapsed, and did something horrible and theres no excuse for that, he has to be accountable for his disease. But he did it because he was in drug induced psychosis, not because he was acting on the behalf of AARC.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2007, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: ""ajax13""
AARC teaches you that nobody has any rights but the Wizard.  
AARC violates three of the four Fundamental Freedoms of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:
Section 2
a. freedom of conscience and religion
At AARC you must accept a belief in powerlessness and also in a higher power.  You must also accept blame for using drugs.
b. freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression
AARC uses the old Synanon methods to control how a person thinks.  Opinions contrary to AARC's are not acceptable, and again belief in a higher power is mandatory.  AARC does not let children see their parents without an AARColyte present, thus preventing freedom of expression.  
d. Freedom of association
AARC will actually prevent children from seeing their own parents.
Section 7
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.
AARC takes the liberty of its inmates.  AARC compromises the security of the person by putting  teens in charge of other teens, and placing teens in the homes of parents whose only qualification is having produced a child who ende up at AARC
Section 9
Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.
At AARC you'll get out when the Wiz says you get out.
Section 12
Everyone has the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment and punishment.
Zero Club?


umm first of all your blowing everything there way out of porportion. first of all, aarc dosnt tell anybody that they have no rights. Dr. Vause is not the all powerful head of everything, he has bosses in the organization that tell him what he can and cant do.

Powerlessness is a concept you totally dont understand. It is not that you have to give your free will to aarc, it is that you cant control life, and the more you try to control it the more frustrating it becomes. The one thing you can control is your choices and your actions in life.

Higher power is also a concept you dont understand. A higher power is not defined by aarc, in fact it is defined as God as you understand him. Whether your "god" is your grandmother, allah, or your 3rd grade science teacher. As long as you believe that this entity can help guide you in life, it is a higher power.

AARC children can see their parents. And an aarc staff member dosnt have to be present. Just not in the first small bit of their treatment.

And as for "getting out when the wiz says you get out" and all that stuff, it is the parents choice if they want to pull their kid out of treatment, and it is the kids choice if he/she is over 18. It is not like they are trapped there against their (or their parents') will.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
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umm first of all your blowing everything there way out of porportion. first of all, aarc dosnt tell anybody that they have no rights. Dr. Vause is not the all powerful head of everything, he has bosses in the organization that tell him what he can and cant do.
No they don't TELL them, they prove to the client beyond a doubt that they have no say in what happens to them in treatment.

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Powerlessness is a concept you totally dont understand. It is not that you have to give your free will to aarc, it is that you cant control life, and the more you try to control it the more frustrating it becomes. The one thing you can control is your choices and your actions in life.

AARC actually claims to break a kids will, they say they tear them down and build them back up. Taking away the rights, power and control is their own claimed method. So what are you talking about?

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Higher power is also a concept you dont understand. A higher power is not defined by aarc, in fact it is defined as God as you understand him. Whether your "god" is your grandmother, allah, or your 3rd grade science teacher. As long as you believe that this entity can help guide you in life, it is a higher power.
I've also seen parents' belief in their own "God" critisized, laughed at and watched the parents be humiliated over their beliefs.

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AARC children can see their parents. And an aarc staff member dosnt have to be present. Just not in the first small bit of their treatment.
Small bit? 2 months and counting. What about the parents who aren't participating in the program? When do THEY get to see their kids?

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And as for "getting out when the wiz says you get out" and all that stuff, it is the parents choice if they want to pull their kid out of treatment, and it is the kids choice if he/she is over 18. It is not like they are trapped there against their (or their parents') will.

Yeah except the parents are convinced their kids are going to DIE if they don't stay in treatment. The parents sit and listen to hours of lecture about how horrible, uncaring, unhealthy, mentally unfit _______ parent is  who left/was terminated/decided AARC wasn't for them.

A court order stating "When released by the director" Yeah... kinda means released by the director. Even if it's the parents who got them on the court order in the first place. [/quote]
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2007, 11:25:05 AM
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umm first of all your blowing everything there way out of porportion. first of all, aarc dosnt tell anybody that they have no rights. Dr. Vause is not the all powerful head of everything, he has bosses in the organization that tell him what he can and cant do.
No they don't TELL them, they prove to the client beyond a doubt that they have no say in what happens to them in treatment.

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Powerlessness is a concept you totally dont understand. It is not that you have to give your free will to aarc, it is that you cant control life, and the more you try to control it the more frustrating it becomes. The one thing you can control is your choices and your actions in life.

AARC actually claims to break a kids will, they say they tear them down and build them back up. Taking away the rights, power and control is their own claimed method. So what are you talking about?

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Higher power is also a concept you dont understand. A higher power is not defined by aarc, in fact it is defined as God as you understand him. Whether your "god" is your grandmother, allah, or your 3rd grade science teacher. As long as you believe that this entity can help guide you in life, it is a higher power.
I've also seen parents' belief in their own "God" critisized, laughed at and watched the parents be humiliated over their beliefs.

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AARC children can see their parents. And an aarc staff member dosnt have to be present. Just not in the first small bit of their treatment.
Small bit? 2 months and counting. What about the parents who aren't participating in the program? When do THEY get to see their kids?

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And as for "getting out when the wiz says you get out" and all that stuff, it is the parents choice if they want to pull their kid out of treatment, and it is the kids choice if he/she is over 18. It is not like they are trapped there against their (or their parents') will.


Yeah except the parents are convinced their kids are going to DIE if they don't stay in treatment. The parents sit and listen to hours of lecture about how horrible, uncaring, unhealthy, mentally unfit _______ parent is  who left/was terminated/decided AARC wasn't for them.

A court order stating "When released by the director" Yeah... kinda means released by the director. Even if it's the parents who got them on the court order in the first place.
Title: AARC Wheels, Andy Picks!
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2007, 11:27:44 AM
Kids choice if over 18?

Really

What about the kids who sign themselves in when they don't know what they're signing?

The ones who realize they were tricked? But don't know that it's not legally binding? What about them??