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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: psy on September 18, 2007, 01:29:54 AM
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A few of my friends and I are thinking of taking a road trip around the country, and fucking up some programs (not breaking the law, but by protest). We have enough "ammo" to take down two, maybe three programs at the moment and are planning to release a documentary of sorts on the issues, with which we will distribute on the web using blogs where you can order (or download) the DVDs I will offer a paypal donation button soon where you can donate.
A taste: photographs from C.E.D.U. workshops..., survivor's testimony, proof of illegal practices, etc... We're planning on stirring up shit locally, telling the people of the towns exactly what goes on in their little concentration camps. A guerrilla media project*. We will sell DVDs i advance of this project's completion. I can very professionally produce a DVD set including interviews, footage, etc... I have the equipment and can produce on the road using my [newly upgraded due to HDD failure]** upgraded powerbook. And i can burn, and hand out, many, many DVDs to the locals, especially all the press...
Since I can produce on the road (and print, and copy, and scan and leaflet and publish in print... (stapled to copies of the local Sunday post in town), I can record and document my journey to put in the extra features. Among other things, you can expect a great many "fuck you"s to programs to be expressed in those extra features.
The intent of this is to produce a comprehensive, well thought-out documentary on certain portions of this industry as well as actually doing some local damage to programs by telling the locals "hey, you know you have a cult brainwashing center that psychologically and physically abuses kids, fucking them up for lives, right?"
A secondary intent would be to build a "how-to" on one more way to fuck up a program. We won't reveal tricks until they're been "used up". Many of the methods some friends and I are thinking of can't be countered.
Basically, what i'm saying is, fund my final project in school, and, I can go fuck some programs up good! AND you get to purchase an enjoyable, fun DVD! I'll make a donation meter soon to donate to this project (http://http://www.sueschefftruth.com/?page_id=6) and pre-order the DVD.
* Most content will be published in censored format, with all survivor faces blurred, however, full copies will be kept on file for legal verification purposes.
** A word to the wise, folks, don't use your laptop when moving it around too much, especially at certain angles. A HDD spins at a high rate of speed and has heads that hover just above the disk, the rate of speed (around 5k rpms for most drives) makes the platters want to keep at a certain angle like a spinning top. Sudden changes in a rotation against the drive's main axis can occasionally cause the heads to hit the disk. If this happens, you will know (and hear) it. Sometimes, such failures can be caused by heat, although if your laptop is designed well (like a powerebook / macbook).[/color]
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Well hurry up with the damn pay pal button already jackass.. I'm about ready to spend my/your money on loose women and wine.
ps.. how much do you need to make this work?
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I think I'm getting it.
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A few of my friends and I are thinking of taking a road trip around the country, and fucking up some programs (not breaking the law, but by protest). We have enough "ammo" to take down two, maybe three programs at the moment and are planning to release a documentary of sorts on the issues, with which we will distribute on the web using blogs where you can order (or download) the DVDs I will offer a paypal donation button soon where you can donate.
A taste: photographs from C.E.D.U. workshops..., survivor's testimony, proof of illegal practices, etc... We're planning on stirring up shit locally, telling the people of the towns exactly what goes on in their little concentration camps. A guerrilla media project*. We will sell DVDs i advance of this project's completion. I can very professionally produce a DVD set including interviews, footage, etc... I have the equipment and can produce on the road using my [newly upgraded due to HDD failure]** upgraded powerbook. And i can burn, and hand out, many, many DVDs to the locals, especially all the press...
Since I can produce on the road (and print, and copy, and scan and leaflet and publish in print... (stapled to copies of the local Sunday post in town), I can record and document my journey to put in the extra features. Among other things, you can expect a great many "fuck you"s to programs to be expressed in those extra features.
The intent of this is to produce a comprehensive, well thought-out documentary on certain portions of this industry as well as actually doing some local damage to programs by telling the locals "hey, you know you have a cult brainwashing center that psychologically and physically abuses kids, fucking them up for lives, right?"
A secondary intent would be to build a "how-to" on one more way to fuck up a program. We won't reveal tricks until they're been "used up". Many of the methods some friends and I are thinking of can't be countered.
Basically, what i'm saying is, fund my final project in school, and, I can go fuck some programs up good! AND you get to purchase an enjoyable, fun DVD! I'll make a donation meter soon to donate to this project (http://http://www.sueschefftruth.com/?page_id=6) and pre-order the DVD.
* Most content will be published in censored format, with all survivor faces blurred, however, full copies will be kept on file for legal verification purposes.
** A word to the wise, folks, don't use your laptop when moving it around too much, especially at certain angles. A HDD spins at a high rate of speed and has heads that hover just above the disk, the rate of speed (around 5k rpms for most drives) makes the platters want to keep at a certain angle like a spinning top. Sudden changes in a rotation against the drive's main axis can occasionally cause the heads to hit the disk. If this happens, you will know (and hear) it. Sometimes, such failures can be caused by heat, although if your laptop is designed well (like a powerebook / macbook).[/color]
Bring your ass to Jacksonville and you got me on your side.
There's at least one place I want to scare the fucking shit out of. I don't want to be in an area and not have every sneaky little child torturing fuck terrified of me. :lol:
Also, uh, SAFE Orlando is absolutely begging to get bent over a barrel. Granted you have the goods, well, I'll be on hand.
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I thought safe was closed
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good luck. have fun.
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I thought safe was closed
SAFE is the facelift they gave to Straight, or was it Kids Helping Kids?
All the same in the end.
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Psy, sounds like a noble effort and cause, Be careful. Many of these schools are in small towns and the school may be providing some key employment to locals. The groundskeeper or maintenance guy might feel you are trying to take food off his kids’ table and not take kindly to your efforts. Many of these people don’t turn to lawyers or cops to solve their problems so to be on the safe side leave town before dark and stay in a neighboring town and commute back in. Let someone (back home) know what your plans are each day.
Good luck...keep us updated.....when are you leaving?
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Psy, sounds like a noble effort and cause, Be careful. Many of these schools are in small towns and the school may be providing some key employment to locals. The groundskeeper or maintenance guy might feel you are trying to take food off his kids’ table and not take kindly to your efforts. Many of these people don’t turn to lawyers or cops to solve their problems so to be on the safe side leave town before dark and stay in a neighboring town and commute back in. Let someone (back home) know what your plans are each day.
Good luck...keep us updated.....when are you leaving?
What aspen schools can you suggest for Psy to hit?
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The convicted sex offender that you reinstated posting rights to is not in this case incorrect with this concern. I would recommend taking someone large with you to any program.
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Many of these people don’t turn to lawyers or cops to solve their problems so to be on the safe side leave town before dark and stay in a neighboring town and commute back in.
Psy already knows they murder kids and cover it up and that's why he's taking this journey . The who should go with him, he'd learn a thing or two from Psy about this industry.
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Many of these people don’t turn to lawyers or cops to solve their problems so to be on the safe side leave town before dark and stay in a neighboring town and commute back in.
Psy already knows they murder kids and cover it up and that's why he's taking this journey . The who should go with him, he'd learn a thing or two from Psy about this industry.
I brought this up earlier but nobody on the road trip wants TheWho to go (he offered) because of his previous child molestation charge. It's okay for TheWho to be gay, but it's not okay for him to hang out around young people anymore so he will have to just wait for the DVD to come out and buy it like everyone else I imagine.
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How long is this journey going to take? Where does it start, and where will it end? Are you going to try to time it with the lawsuit involving WWASPS?
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Like he's really going to tell you before it happens.
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I'll just PM him. Thanks.
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yes, take someone big, and maybe some pepper spray.
also keep in mind that in many of the states these "schools" are located simple tresspassing, even when the owner knows you're not there to break into his house, warrants you getting shot with rocksalt, or in a few states, whatever they want to shoot you with. the program staff wont shoot you, but the guy across the street on who's lawn you are picketing or whatever, might.
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If they do, call the police and press assault charges.
They aren't going into lawless regions of the underworld, people, get a grip.
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They are if they're going to Utah.
This is the old "It can't happen here" fallacy. It can and does happen here. This isn't the country you think it is. These regions are among the worst- how do you think the shitpits stay open in them? You bet your shiny white ass the cops are corrupt and the people are insane. He'd be safer in Mexico.
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Not UTAH!?!?! :scared: :roll: :rofl:
If you are scared write 911 on your sleeve before you wipe your nose, you'll never forget it.
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texas just passed a law which says that you can shoot anyone "approaching your vehicle". meaning you see some suspicious guy looking into your parked car, you can shoot him. if your sitting in the car and a suspicious person knocks on your windsheild, you can shoot him.
while i was at a program in north georgia, a kid decided to run away. he was a city kid - didnt know how to get around in the woods, and didnt know what the locals are like or how to deal with them. he ran away, and spent the night in the woods shivering, starving to death. at daybreak, he started walking and hit a road, which he followed for a mile or so after which he come up on old farmhouse, obviously occupied, with a few cars in the driveway. he started walking up, figured he'd knock on the door and ask for some water and maybe to make a phone call. before he got within 30 feet of the house a guy came out with a shotgun, and fired a warning shot. the kid put his hands up and started screaming saying all he wants is some water...the farmer couldnt her him, so the kid came a little closer, maybe another 10 feet, and the guy shot him in the legs with two rounds of rocksalt.
rocksalt gennerally a-little-less-than-deadly, it's really just chunks of low quality mineral salt. but it hurts like all hell and leaves hundreds of little pockmarks as scars for life, and unless you get some treatment for the salt toxicity your internal organs can be screwd for life. it's standard ammo people keep in their shotguns down south in case of tresspassers or wild animals.
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Benchmark Young Adult School invites Educational Consultants to participate in a special tour on Wednesday, November 7, 2007 from 6:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. The tour includes: transportation to and from the Marriott Renaissance Hotel in Hollywood, breakfast, "meet & greet" with staff and students and a full tour of Benchmark's campus and facilities.
For additional information and to confirm your participation on the Tour, please call Shelley Skaggs, Director of Marketing, at 1-714-813-5002 or email at sskaggs@benchmarkyas.com.
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Interesting.... but in the spirit of keeping the topic on course.. Do you, Psy, have the pay pal button set up yet?
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I'll try to help in some small way if I can. Just let me know.
Word of advice.... just god, please, stay away from the Michael Moore-style school of self-serving expose documentaries. Smug won't win you any friends, except for those who already agree with you.
I can't fucking stand that fat piece of shit.
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Apropos
It is one thing to endure abuses and to carry on in spite of them. It is quite another thing to carry on to the point of abetting the abuse. We need to move the discussion of our nation's health to the emergency room. We need to tell the doctors of the body politic that the treatment isn't working--and that until it changes radically for the better, neither are we.
As for how the strike would be publicized and organized, these would depend on the willingness to strike itself. The greater the willingness, the fewer the logistical requirements. How many Americans does it take to change a lightbulb? How many Web postings, how many emblazoned bedsheets hung from the upper-story windows? Think of it this way: How many hours does it take to learn the results of last night's American Idol, even when you don't want to know?
In 1943 the Danes managed to save 7,200 of their 7,800 Jewish neighbors from the Gestapo. They had no blogs, no television, no text messaging--and very little time to prepare. They passed their apartment keys to the hunted on the streets. They formed convoys to the coast. An ambulance driver set out with a phone book, stopping at any address with a Jewish-sounding name. No GPS for directions. No excuse not to try.
From Harper's- "General Strike"
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/10/0081720 (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/10/0081720)
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Damn right, thanks for posting this.
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Apropos
It is one thing to endure abuses and to carry on in spite of them. It is quite another thing to carry on to the point of abetting the abuse. We need to move the discussion of our nation's health to the emergency room. We need to tell the doctors of the body politic that the treatment isn't working--and that until it changes radically for the better, neither are we.
As for how the strike would be publicized and organized, these would depend on the willingness to strike itself. The greater the willingness, the fewer the logistical requirements. How many Americans does it take to change a lightbulb? How many Web postings, how many emblazoned bedsheets hung from the upper-story windows? Think of it this way: How many hours does it take to learn the results of last night's American Idol, even when you don't want to know?
In 1943 the Danes managed to save 7,200 of their 7,800 Jewish neighbors from the Gestapo. They had no blogs, no television, no text messaging--and very little time to prepare. They passed their apartment keys to the hunted on the streets. They formed convoys to the coast. An ambulance driver set out with a phone book, stopping at any address with a Jewish-sounding name. No GPS for directions. No excuse not to try.
From Harper's- "General Strike"
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/10/0081720 (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/10/0081720)
Absolutely.
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Interesting.... but in the spirit of keeping the topic on course.. Do you, Psy, have the pay pal button set up yet?
Google Checkout:
http://www.sueschefftruth.com/?page_id=6 (http://www.sueschefftruth.com/?page_id=6)
and I have some interesting amazon picks of which I get like 4% per purchase.
http://astore.amazon.com/picksbypsy-20 (http://astore.amazon.com/picksbypsy-20)
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Many of these people don’t turn to lawyers or cops to solve their problems so to be on the safe side leave town before dark and stay in a neighboring town and commute back in.
Psy already knows they murder kids and cover it up and that's why he's taking this journey . The who should go with him, he'd learn a thing or two from Psy about this industry.
Oh, yeah... bring him along... Well.. I suppose i could dispose of him remotely that way :D ... (whoops.. shouldn't type what i think). Seriously, though, I would never invite a person like ThoWho. Whatever strain you're smoking... switch!
TheWho knows, but does not care, and aids the industry wherever he can. He is not a friend of mine in any capacity. Just because I am civil at times does not mean I see him as in any way a friend of mine.
Very little I will say publicly about what is planned, and we'll leave it at that. You'll start to see results within the next two weeks. These plans (and there are several) demand secrecy. Loose lips...
The later stages will need funding, though. All donations of higher than 30 bucks will receive a DVD. I will say no more publicly. Contact me, and if I know you i'll give more details.
See my previous post for information on how to donate to this effort.
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I like how you put the $10,000 option, now that's optimism. :wink:
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Many of these people don’t turn to lawyers or cops to solve their problems so to be on the safe side leave town before dark and stay in a neighboring town and commute back in.
Psy already knows they murder kids and cover it up and that's why he's taking this journey . The who should go with him, he'd learn a thing or two from Psy about this industry.
Oh, yeah... bring him along... Well.. I suppose i could dispose of him remotely that way :D ... (whoops.. shouldn't type what i think). Seriously, though, I would never invite a person like ThoWho. Whatever strain you're smoking... switch!
TheWho knows, but does not care, and aids the industry wherever he can. He is not a friend of mine in any capacity. Just because I am civil at times does not mean I see him as in any way a friend of mine.
Very little I will say publicly about what is planned, and we'll leave it at that. You'll start to see results within the next two weeks. These plans (and there are several) demand secrecy. Loose lips...
The later stages will need funding, though. All donations of higher than 30 bucks will receive a DVD. I will say no more publicly. Contact me, and if I know you i'll give more details.
See my previous post for information on how to donate to this effort.
Well, thats not a very nice thing to say.
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See my previous post for information on how to donate to this effort.
Well, thats not a very nice thing to say.[/quote]
What's the first and most impotent rule?
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See my previous post for information on how to donate to this effort.
Well, thats not a very nice thing to say.
What's the first and most impotent rule?
I think it would be ....... Never apologize to anyone, publicly, because it presumes you are admitting being responsible or guilty and they will use it against you in court.
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See my previous post for information on how to donate to this effort.
Well, thats not a very nice thing to say.
What's the first and most impotent rule?
I think it would be ....... Never apologize to anyone, publicly, because it presumes you are admitting being responsible or guilty and they will use it against you in court.
@Who:
Aha... Interesting first rule... let me suggest an improvement: Never apologize to anyone, publicly, especially on fornits, about being responsible or guilty (or have "paid my debt")... I'll look into the matter in a bit (with an older copy of the database in the edit history (before a rebuild would have cleared such history)).
Use it against you in court? Well... You can't be tried for a crime you have "paid your debt" for, now can you?
Who knows if this is a troll or not (or maybe a misinterpretation), but you know there is one way to solve this, which i explained... The database underwent a clean-up and would not be a reliable source to look in the history file... There is only one way to definitively solve this, and you know it. I told you my policy.
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Will you being going to Utah?
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Will you being going to Utah?
Sorry, but cant answer any questions on the specifics or it'll ruin it.
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Wow, seems I am guilty until proven innocent here…….. here is a deal:
Pull the copy of the fornits history file and if you find anything remotely “That I statedâ€
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I have a question.
Why is Who given the Royal Treatment around here?
Who whines and people (psy) jump.
You're really going to take time to search a database to appease Who, when you considered it 'irrelevant' to search and dispell the bullshit he was saying about me when you let him back on the forum?
What is this? The fucking Who forum? Fuck him. Let him fin for himself like the rest of us. Advise him to "ignore" his trolls... or sue.... just as the rest of us are advised.
He plays you like a fiddle.
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I have a question.
Why is Who given the Royal Treatment around here?
Who whines and people (psy) jump.
:roll: Ya know... that's fucked up....
You're really going to take time to search a database to appease Who, when you considered it 'irrelevant' to search and dispell the bullshit he was saying about me when you let him back on the forum?
What is this? The fucking Who forum? Fuck him. Let him fin for himself like the rest of us. Advise him to "ignore" his trolls... or sue.... just as the rest of us are advised.
He plays you like a fiddle.
OK... i've had it up to here with your attitude towards me. You're upset about me un-banning the fruitcake, fine... but don't fucking hold a grudge over it...
Furthermore, I do not intend at all to go out of my way for TheWho. I did him the favor of looking into the matter once before, but a private citizen's personal reputation (especially an industry one) is very very low on my priorities list. Am I saying that industry members get shit tech support around here? Yes, absolutely... at least with me. Once i'm pretty sure you're industry, you can expect your tech support request to be processed with a degree of sloth remnant of the soviet block state beaurocracy. :D
@who: Maybe Ginger or Kelly will help you out, but i'll tell you, it ain't fucking likely. It's your word against an anonymous person, and you know that you have no defamation case unless your real name was dropped along with knowingly innacurate inforamtion. Even that is just opinion, and it's not really my business. I have better things to do than to rummage through the trash on behalf of a person who is, in my mind, totally connected to the industry.
When is this supposed to take place?
Well the announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.
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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?
I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€
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From Dictionary.com
mo·lest
–verb (used with object)
1. to bother, interfere with, or annoy.
2. to make indecent sexual advances to.
3. to assault sexually.
TheWho -- by definition -- molested his daughter by: interfering in her life, bothering her by sending her to a program, a program that annoyed her enough to run away.
So this means -- by definition -- TheWho molested his daughter. TheWho most likely molested his daughter on many, many occasions.
TheWho molested his daughter is a true statement, by definition.
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Wow, seems I am guilty until proven innocent here…….. here is a deal:
Pull the copy of the fornits history file and if you find anything remotely “That I statedâ€
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Option 3: Where's the fucking shirt?
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Option 3: Where's the fucking shirt?
Still trying to figure out something witty to put on it.
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Wow, seems I am guilty until proven innocent here…….. here is a deal:
Pull the copy of the fornits history file and if you find anything remotely “That I statedâ€
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Wow, seems I am guilty until proven innocent here…….. here is a deal:
Pull the copy of the fornits history file and if you find anything remotely “That I statedâ€
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::blah:: ::blah:: ::blah::
Is this dude like, chocolate-covered heroin on a stick to you guys?
Fuckin' whatever.
...buncha who-junkies. :roll:
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All the who does is cause infighting and division. Letting him back on was a bad idea. Several posters with useful information have already decided to leave because of his constant program marketing. People don't ignore him they let him derail every fucking thread. I understand the need to preserve somebodies right to speak but when they silence everyone else with their constant bullshit, it defeats the whole purpose.
Now 2 more people are at each others throats. This fucker is making the board unreadable and pointless. What is the point of a right to speak if it fucks up a board entirely? Just face facts, when he posts a thread becomes a fucking waste of time. it seems nobody ignores him. He does flood the board and with program advertising. if the board of administrators feel so strongly about free speech then take some kind of vote or poll. At the very least stop bantering with this fuck with "hilarious" offers of tshirts and other fucking crap that makes him feel witty and important. i am so sick of what that fucker is doing to the board as a whole!
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All the who does is cause infighting and division. Letting him back on was a bad idea. Several posters with useful information have already decided to leave because of his constant program marketing. People don't ignore him they let him derail every fucking thread. I understand the need to preserve somebodies right to speak but when they silence everyone else with their constant bullshit, it defeats the whole purpose.
Now 2 more people are at each others throats. This fucker is making the board unreadable and pointless. What is the point of a right to speak if it fucks up a board entirely? Just face facts, when he posts a thread becomes a fucking waste of time. it seems nobody ignores him. He does flood the board and with program advertising. if the board of administrators feel so strongly about free speech then take some kind of vote or poll. At the very least stop bantering with this fuck with "hilarious" offers of tshirts and other fucking crap that makes him feel witty and important. i am so sick of what that fucker is doing to the board as a whole!
I agree, for the most part, with this post. However, I differ on the idea that the Who is being disruptive. I believe some people are making him a disruptive force by paying far to much attention to him.
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If exceptions can be made for other things why not to ban the who. Afterall you got given the right to censor when Ginger gave you your own forum gookie. obviously Psy got given rights that other posters have. i am not making a judgment call either way on these things but exceptions to ideology are made with regard to this board so why is banning the who because the benefits outweigh the costs any different?
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If exceptions can be made for other things why not to ban the who. Afterall you got given the right to censor when Ginger gave you your own forum gookie. obviously Psy got given rights that other posters have. i am not making a judgment call either way on these things but exceptions to ideology are made with regard to this board so why is banning the who because the benefits outweigh the costs any different?
What exactly are the benifits and what exactly are the costs?
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The schism is between those who hold free speech to be the highest ideal of this forum, and those who hold anti-program views as the highest ideal.
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If exceptions can be made for other things why not to ban the who. Afterall you got given the right to censor when Ginger gave you your own forum gookie. obviously Psy got given rights that other posters have. i am not making a judgment call either way on these things but exceptions to ideology are made with regard to this board so why is banning the who because the benefits outweigh the costs any different?
What exactly are the benifits and what exactly are the costs?
costs
The fact that nobody ignores the who not matter what
the fact that he derails almost every thread sometimes for pages and pages so that relevant info is difficult to find
The fact that unlike other program parents who appear to be genuinely giving their perspective (even if it is crazy) he is just an advertisement for Aspen. Let the fucking pay for their ads goddammit
The fact that he frequently dismisses program survivors as histrionic or liars
The fact that many useful sources of information do not post anymore thanks in large part to this man
The fact that 2 prolific and helpful posters are at each other's throats and this sort of division is jst what some fuckwit program owners want.
His whole million page thread of made up statistics.
pros
free speech is like a really important ideological principal
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If exceptions can be made for other things why not to ban the who. Afterall you got given the right to censor when Ginger gave you your own forum gookie. obviously Psy got given rights that other posters have. i am not making a judgment call either way on these things but exceptions to ideology are made with regard to this board so why is banning the who because the benefits outweigh the costs any different?
What exactly are the benifits and what exactly are the costs?
costs
The fact that nobody ignores the who not matter what
the fact that he derails almost every thread sometimes for pages and pages so that relevant info is difficult to find
The fact that unlike other program parents who appear to be genuinely giving their perspective (even if it is crazy) he is just an advertisement for Aspen. Let the fucking pay for their ads goddammit
The fact that he frequently dismisses program survivors as histrionic or liars
The fact that many useful sources of information do not post anymore thanks in large part to this man
The fact that 2 prolific and helpful posters are at each other's throats and this sort of division is jst what some fuckwit program owners want.
His whole million page thread of made up statistics.
pros
free speech is like a really important ideological principal
Good point, nothing out weighs our individual right to free speech.
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Tell that to the kids killed in programs... oh wait.. you can't.. they're worm food now.. idealism is stupid.
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You keep giving him the attention he craves by complaining about him. He really is pretty much irrelevant. Anyone who's spent any amount of time here knows he's just a shill for Aspen. Those that are new only have to read a couple of threads to figure out what his agenda is.
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First, there are many subtle differences between bribe, gift and wager. The first time I traveled to Russia I was held hostage in a very small detention room with no air and it smelled of fish and cognac/vadka. I was told I did not have the proper stamp on my passport to enter the country and my bags were placed back on the plane. The only way to resolve this was to contact the US Embassy, which of course wasn’t open at 1:00 a.m., so I spent the night in that room while my bags went to Moldova. It turned out there was no problem with my passport. Later in my trip I arrived in Kazakhstan I was told we needed to leave our carry-on luggage on the plane and they would transport it to us at the gate (which is about 100 yards away, outside in the rain) My bag, with papers for the embassy, laptop, tenge etc. never showed. A stewardess, who spoke little English told me they couldn’t find it and I was welcome to search the plane. So I looked around and it wasn’t there and went on to indicate that she would contact the authorities. So we all stood in the rain, they all thought this was fun because they appeared to be telling jokes. (I felt like I was in Casablanca standing on the tarmac with planes with wooden seats in them). When the police arrived he spoke to the captain and then an argument broke out and policeman took the hat off the captain and threw it on the ground, entered the plane and came out with my case and asked me to inspect the contents and all was there. I met a person, in Moldova, who ended up being a very good friend in life who informed me that my problems would have been solved if I had just placed $50 in my passport in the first instance and handed it back asking if maybe he overlooked the stamp and had I told the captain that I had a gift in my bag for him if he could please retrieve it for me from the plane these “gestures of good willâ€
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I wonder if theWho is going to trust his daughter to pick his nursing home? He will probably take care of the arrangements himself.
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I believe the 'b' word would be appropriate somewhere around here...
Just to clarify, did you just call me a bitch?
So you really want to take the gloves off, huh? Okay! How about these little inconvenient facts:
* The original decision to ban TheWho was made almost entirely under your advisement. Ginger made the decision based on a good faith analysis of your recommendation, based on her definition of the word "flooding" as well as the commonly established technical term.
"Inconvenient Facts"? :rofl:
I'm not taking the fall on this. I had very little to do with Who being banned and won't be your scapegoat.
Read the email from Ginger dated 24 Aug, 2:48.
Then go read my PMs for 1 June, sent and received.
And these threads which I didn't participate in:
Ginger banned Who 1 June
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 957#263957 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=263957#263957)
Poll and Comments about Who’s banning, in which you agreed he was flooding, among other things.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 972#263972 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=263972#263972)
* I was asked to look into the matter, and the promise of a t-shirt sounded humorous.
And what did you look into? The number of anon posts Who had made. I'd really appreciate an answer to the question I've asked numerous times. Since when does one look at anon posts to determine if someone is/was flooding? Is that the offical definition? Excessive anon posts = flooding? You were here when it went down and agreed. Why the change of opinion?
Furthermore, I don't like to take away anybody's right to free speech unless he is interfering with the ability of others to speak, which he was not doing (flooding).
So that's your definition of flooding? Has anyone ever interfered with another's ability to speak here? Not to my knowledge, as it's not possible.
That being said, Ginger specifically stated (several times) that industry members(child abusers), trolls, everybody is welcome here. If you can't stand the heat...
Was that directed at me? An invitation to leave?
* In an enraged email later on, you, in no uncertain terms made it clear that you really didn't care why the who was banned, stating ... ... Ya know what... I'm not going to stoop that now... unless you agree to publicize that whole debacle (which nobody really wants), in which case, sure thing...
You have my permission to quote that.
How do you know nobody really wants it? Shall we start at the beginning with the email from Who to You?
My suggestion is to just drop it.
Fuck you psy and your suggestion. You'd like that wouldn't you? I get scapegoated for Who's banning. You let Who loose on the forum again to make claims that I deleted/altered his posts. You vindicate him, but put my integrity in question by refusing to refute what Who was saying- you couldn't be bothered, irrelevant.
No. This is going to get aired and cleared up. And the sooner you apologize for sticking your nose in my business and acting as the authority and making statements you knew nothing about....
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 799#277799 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=277799#277799)
Then I'll consider dropping my grudge. What... Who is deserving of a public apology for being "wrongly" banned, a decision you agreed with initially, but I'm just supposed to "drop it"?
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All the who does is cause infighting and division. Letting him back on was a bad idea. Several posters with useful information have already decided to leave because of his constant program marketing. People don't ignore him they let him derail every fucking thread. I understand the need to preserve somebodies right to speak but when they silence everyone else with their constant bullshit, it defeats the whole purpose.
Now 2 more people are at each others throats. This fucker is making the board unreadable and pointless. What is the point of a right to speak if it fucks up a board entirely? Just face facts, when he posts a thread becomes a fucking waste of time. it seems nobody ignores him. He does flood the board and with program advertising. if the board of administrators feel so strongly about free speech then take some kind of vote or poll. At the very least stop bantering with this fuck with "hilarious" offers of tshirts and other fucking crap that makes him feel witty and important. i am so sick of what that fucker is doing to the board as a whole!
So stop fucking talking to and about him.
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but nobody does ignore him! You don't, psy doesn't, survivors dont. Psy should have left it alone. So this is a relevant discussion on 1 thread. The who is on every thread. I don't think that the decision should have been up to psy. Psy's comments also do make him look sympathetic to the who. i dont think there was a dleiberate attempt to piss people off on psy's part but he made an error in lobbying for the who to be reinstated and it was a bad decision based more on ideology than common sense.
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but nobody does ignore him! You don't, psy doesn't, survivors dont. Psy should have left it alone. So this is a relevant discussion on 1 thread. The who is on every thread. I don't think that the decision should have been up to psy. Psy's comments also do make him look sympathetic to the who. i dont think there was a dleiberate attempt to piss people off on psy's part but he made an error in lobbying for the who to be reinstated and it was a bad decision based more on ideology than common sense.
It shows character to stand up for what is right or what you believe in even though it is unpopular and you know people will ridicule you for it or disapprove.
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but nobody does ignore him! You don't, psy doesn't, survivors dont. Psy should have left it alone. So this is a relevant discussion on 1 thread. The who is on every thread. I don't think that the decision should have been up to psy. Psy's comments also do make him look sympathetic to the who. i dont think there was a dleiberate attempt to piss people off on psy's part but he made an error in lobbying for the who to be reinstated and it was a bad decision based more on ideology than common sense.
If you look back over the posts you may notice that Psy is getting a raw deal, but then I think he is used to that because he does what he thinks is right, which is difficult to manage and can isolate you from others (many times the majority). As I told psy in an earlier post, I was not looking for any favors, if I broke any rules then I deserve to be banned like anyone else. All I ask is what the rules are and maybe a warning or 2 before the plug is pulled.
I was surprised I had that many anon posts, I do post anon (as does everyone), but I never knew there was an upper limit. At the time I was banned I was being trolled by someone and was responding toe-to-toe….post-to-post (within thewho thread) with this person and I feel that was the reason I was banned, but the other person should have been banned also wouldn’t you agree? Psy was instrumental in lifting my ban status even though he despises what he believes I stand for, which is the Teen industry (even though I do not profit directly from the industry), which shows he believes the same rules should apply equally to everyone. So don’t hang him too high for that……. he is standing up for freedom of speech, which isn’t all that bad of a thing.
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"TheWho is a perpetrator"
Never a truer thing said.
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THE WHO sounds a lot like Isabelle Zehnder, Sue Scheff when they are screaming freedom of speech when it meets their needs, wants, yet tries to shut down anyone who disagrees with them with lies and bullshit.
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THE WHO sounds a lot like Isabelle Zehnder, Sue Scheff when they are screaming freedom of speech when it meets their needs, wants, yet tries to shut down anyone who disagrees with them with lies and bullshit.
Funny you should bring that up. Its not thewho trying to shut people up or ban anyone from speaking because their beliefs are not popular.
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TheWho takes it up the ass.
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All the who does is cause infighting and division. Letting him back on was a bad idea. Several posters with useful information have already decided to leave because of his constant program marketing. People don't ignore him they let him derail every fucking thread. I understand the need to preserve somebodies right to speak but when they silence everyone else with their constant bullshit, it defeats the whole purpose.
Now 2 more people are at each others throats. This fucker is making the board unreadable and pointless. What is the point of a right to speak if it fucks up a board entirely? Just face facts, when he posts a thread becomes a fucking waste of time. it seems nobody ignores him. He does flood the board and with program advertising. if the board of administrators feel so strongly about free speech then take some kind of vote or poll. At the very least stop bantering with this fuck with "hilarious" offers of tshirts and other fucking crap that makes him feel witty and important. i am so sick of what that fucker is doing to the board as a whole!
I agree, for the most part, with this post. However, I differ on the idea that the Who is being disruptive. I believe some people are making him a disruptive force by paying far to much attention to him.
Exactly...people should learn to adapt (for lack of better word) somehow. No one forces anyone to speak to or about TheWho...
And I wonder if that 'who-busting' sticky thread idea I came up with would be helpful.....
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but nobody does ignore him! You don't, psy doesn't, survivors dont. Psy should have left it alone. So this is a relevant discussion on 1 thread. The who is on every thread. I don't think that the decision should have been up to psy. Psy's comments also do make him look sympathetic to the who. i dont think there was a dleiberate attempt to piss people off on psy's part but he made an error in lobbying for the who to be reinstated and it was a bad decision based more on ideology than common sense.
It shows character to stand up for what is right or what you believe in even though it is unpopular and you know people will ridicule you for it or disapprove.
Thank you.
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All the who does is cause infighting and division. Letting him back on was a bad idea. Several posters with useful information have already decided to leave because of his constant program marketing. People don't ignore him they let him derail every fucking thread. I understand the need to preserve somebodies right to speak but when they silence everyone else with their constant bullshit, it defeats the whole purpose.
Now 2 more people are at each others throats. This fucker is making the board unreadable and pointless. What is the point of a right to speak if it fucks up a board entirely? Just face facts, when he posts a thread becomes a fucking waste of time. it seems nobody ignores him. He does flood the board and with program advertising. if the board of administrators feel so strongly about free speech then take some kind of vote or poll.
First off, the decision was made, based on the opinion of me, Kelly, and Ginger BEFORE he was un-banned. Even if you include Deborah as an administrator, she is still out-voted three to one.
If you were to poll the whole forum, users and all, it would not matter to me. There is such a thing as they tyranny of the majority, and when you repress speech, you get resistance in return. Respond instead.
All admins of Fornits should know that there are far worse offenses on Fornits by Deborah's definition of flodding. The only difference is the content of his trolling. Making a decision to ban would be interfering with his right to speak, not to mention controlling communication (Ever read Lifton?)
Fornits is not a fucking program... repeat it after me: Control over communication is the first step to a totalistic system. It's wrong. It's what they do, not us. It's what Lon Woodbury did on ST, and what Sue Scheff did on trekkers. The power over communcation, when exercised, has the likely potential to cause a slippery slope effect, polarizing the dialogue and repressing unpopular (especially minority) opinions. Each "ban" sets a precedent that can gets stretched each time.
Ultimately, we are all human in that we have emotions, which are designed to overwhelm. This is precisely why it is unwise to make decisions in an emotional state, the same reason the plaintiff isn't on the jury, and the same reason I felt our hasty reaction to 9/11 was not just wrong, but also destined for disaster (and i turned out to be right).
It's important to guard free speech anywhere by never taking that first step towards infringement over personal liberty. In my opinion, this includes all forms of defamation. People have the personal responsibility to consider for themselves whether something they read or hear is true or not. It is my opinion that the dissolution of those crimes would result in a cynical (but ultimately wiser) populace who would be less likely to swallow what they hear as truth, without first processing the information to see if it makes sense, fact checking if necessary.
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All admins of Fornits should know that there are far worse offenses on Fornits by Deborah's definition of flodding.
For the record, state my definition of flooding psy?
So are the other two "tyrants of majority" in agreement with you scapegoating me for Who's banning?
If you're remotely interested in the "facts" of how Who came to be banned, you'll go read my PMs for June 1st as I suggested before.
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If you ban somebody for flooding the forums, then ban me. I don't care what the intent of setting up the forums was, I use it, along with a handful of others in our little forum, as the only avenue we have open to dissiminate information and to counter program info. Let the fuckers say what they want, and if nobody has the will to repudiate it or the dignity to ignore it, then why not shut the whole fucking thing down? Free speech is no longer a right in Western Civilization, it's a prize that every ape who posts here is lucky to have a sniff at.
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Is a screaming simian also freedom of speech?
(http://http://www.primates.com/gorillas/gorilla-hotlinks.jpg)
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but nobody does ignore him! You don't, psy doesn't, survivors dont. Psy should have left it alone. So this is a relevant discussion on 1 thread. The who is on every thread. I don't think that the decision should have been up to psy. Psy's comments also do make him look sympathetic to the who. i dont think there was a dleiberate attempt to piss people off on psy's part but he made an error in lobbying for the who to be reinstated and it was a bad decision based more on ideology than common sense.
It shows character to stand up for what is right or what you believe in even though it is unpopular and you know people will ridicule you for it or disapprove.
Thank you.
Yeh, those "value added" kudos from Who make one feel all warm and fuzzy.
It shows jackass stubborness when someone holds their ground to save face and won't access the facts that are available to them.
The 'facts' of how Who came to be banned are in mine and Ginger's PMs beginning 1 June.
I've posted several questions in this thread I would like to have answers to. If your intention is to ignore me psy, have the balls to come out and say it.
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Is a screaming simian also freedom of speech?
(http://http://www.primates.com/gorillas/gorilla-hotlinks.jpg)
As I have drawn much inspiration from bonobos getting their freak on, I would have to say yes.
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Is a screaming simian also freedom of speech?
(http://http://www.primates.com/gorillas/gorilla-hotlinks.jpg)
As I have drawn much inspiration from bonobos getting their freak on, I would have to say yes.
Look what that monkey done did!
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All admins of Fornits should know that there are far worse offenses on Fornits by Deborah's definition of flodding.
For the record, state my definition of flooding psy?
So are the other two "tyrants of majority" in agreement with you scapegoating me for Who's banning?
Not unexpected, actually, for you to say that. The difference here, and problem with your logic, is that you are trying to deny another person their rights. You do not have a right to do that. Have you ever actually watched that "philosophy of liberty" ginger used to have in their sig (google it). Look. This is her site, I obey my rules, and her personal, political beliefs happen to pretty much be fairly close together. We've talked a lot about political shit, and also about forum policy (which is very much in line). She has a running theory that makes a lot of sense: if you deny industry members their precious control over communication you attack the cult in a very direct manner... people snap out.. etc.
She also explained that if you started outing guest posters, even for good reasons, other staff who might want to turn over information might become afraid to post here. It would set a bad precedent. We also talked about free speech, and as far as I understand pretty much seem to agree with me that what this issue really needs is unrestricted, uncensored, free speech, and a more cynical public... Teach people the tricks of the con, and to buyer beware.
Go ahead and continue to research who TheWho is and what he is after by all means, but only use legitimately (as in not obtained using special powers) obtained information. Save one of his posts with descriptive information about his past, cross reference with previous posts on the subject, find the common links and build a background profile. Cross that with his publicly stated location and you have a fairly good guess at a name. Enough information and you could drop "dox" on him.
If you're remotely interested in the "facts" of how Who came to be banned, you'll go read my PMs for June 1st as I suggested before.
I had several reasons for not doing that. First off, I didn't, and still don't consider it an issue. I was investigating a forum ban, and as far as i'm concerned, I don't want to get involved in some personal dispute between you and TheWho. I don't particularly like the guy, considering he's an industry member, but up to this point have been able to control myself. You, on the other hand, were calling him a terrorist (don't make me pull out that email ! ). Frankly, if you did do something you shouldn't have, i wanted to look the other way, and really didn't want to know.
You know i've been in program. You should, thereby know that I find it very difficult to trust most people, especially program parents in general. Also consider i've been fucked with by all kinds of people, from my parents, to benchmark, to a vicious ex girlfriend, to another vicious cruel ex girlfriend (bad luck... don't ask) It's just a natural thing i'll have to overcome in time. Don't take it personally that I don't trust every single word you say, or anybody for that matter.
I know that everybody lies sometimes, especially those who claim they don't. I know by experience. Most people do it for good reasons, some for bad, but I know your heart was good and perhaps you did add a bunny hat or whatever he accused you of. I've never really looked into it, and frankly, I didn't want to. I was also busy with Fornits admin stuff and dodging SS at the time...
Look at yourself... You just outed a guest poster who you didn't like becuase he pissed you off, and because you're pissed off at me for calming the situation down to the point where TheWho was not going to persue the matter, furthermore, he did say he would avoid you for a while, at least.
Yes. There is a 99.9% probability that The Who is industry, but on this site, as I understand Ginger's "rules" around here, that entitles them to the same posting rights.
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[/b]but nobody does ignore him! You don't, psy doesn't, survivors dont. Psy should have left it alone. So this is a relevant discussion on 1 thread. The who is on every thread. I don't think that the decision should have been up to psy. Psy's comments also do make him look sympathetic to the who. i dont think there was a dleiberate attempt to piss people off on psy's part but he made an error in lobbying for the who to be reinstated and it was a bad decision based more on ideology than common sense.
It shows character to stand up for what is right or what you believe in even though it is unpopular and you know people will ridicule you for it or disapprove.
Thank you.
Yeh, those "value added" kudos from Who make one feel all warm and fuzzy.
You are not allowed to do that... have you gone completely fucking rogue. Remember what I said about control over communication. You may not recognize the pattern... You were never there.
It shows jackass stubborness when someone holds their ground to save face and won't access the facts that are available to them.
Like I said, running errands over who said what to whom is not part of my job description. If you have evidence, produce it, but stop using superpowers.
The 'facts' of how Who came to be banned are in mine and Ginger's PMs beginning 1 June.
Great. Should we turn this into an online court case.. Who cares.. it's over. The who wants to leave it, everything is sorted out, I think you two just need to avoid each other or take it to free-for-all, the online version of a rap (to an extent) and go for the neck.
I've posted several questions in this thread I would like to have answers to. If your intention is to ignore me psy, have the balls to come out and say it.
*yawn* Attempt at provocation result: fail
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to many 2 inch rule violations for me to want to read any of this...
Let us all try to square off against each other in the following format:
Deb to Psy:
Eat goat cheese and die.
Psy to Deborah:
NO U!
In short maybe this convo is better taken to private message after some tempers cool a bit?
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Has ANYONE ever been banned from fornits before?
If so for what reason?
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Until the who was banned no one. He has since been unbanned so it is safe to say that no one has ever been permanently banned from fornits. Though there is one person that claims I banned him when I was an admin. Interesting claim as I don't believe I was an admin at the time.
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So are the other two "tyrants of majority" in agreement with you scapegoating me for Who's banning?
Ok, first and foremost, with the exception of a really messed up transition back in around December of last year, no one has done any banning or editing that I know of without my final approval. If anybody's still angry about the banning or unbanning, throw your rotten tomatoes my way, it's all on me.
You just outed a guest poster who you didn't like because he pissed you off, ... Yes. There is a 99.9% probability that The Who is industry, but on this site, as I understand Ginger's "rules" around here, that entitles them to the same posting rights.
I have to agree, that was out of line. And that is the very reason for it. We would not have a robust, meaningful dialogue without the pro program side represented. It would be like playing with dead puppies. But...
You should, thereby know that I find it very difficult to trust most people, especially program parents in general. Also consider i've been fucked with by all kinds of people, from my parents, to benchmark, to a vicious ex girlfriend, to another vicious cruel ex girlfriend (bad luck... don't ask) It's just a natural thing i'll have to overcome in time. Don't take it personally that I don't trust every single word you say, or anybody for that matter.
Deb is not and never was a program parent! Her situation is a lot like Zen Agent's. Her ex sent her boys off to programs without her knowledge or consent. As you note, program people don't have a corner on the psycho market. Deb has been working hard for years at exposing HLA and the entire industry.
Deb, you are about the most level headed, persistent, consistent unreasonable woman I know and a very good friend. But I really do think you've let this one get under your skin too much. He can't really hurt us in the long run. Don't worry.
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Until the who was banned no one. He has since been unbanned so it is safe to say that no one has ever been permanently banned from fornits. Though there is one person that claims I banned him when I was an admin. Interesting claim as I don't believe I was an admin at the time.
No, there was one other that I can think of. I tried to ban Nazi/88/SS shit talker. He proxied up and stepped up the assault. And I have occasionally banned spammer IP addresses and ranges. But those were temporary. There are far better ways to block spam than that. I don't think banning will ever be a very good option. I think we'll continue to find better ways.
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Not unexpected, actually, for you to say that. The difference here, and problem with your logic, is that you are trying to deny another person their rights. You do not have a right to do that. Have you ever actually watched that "philosophy of liberty" ginger used to have in their sig (google it). Look. This is her site, I obey my rules, and her personal, political beliefs happen to pretty much be fairly close together. We've talked a lot about political shit, and also about forum policy (which is very much in line). She has a running theory that makes a lot of sense: if you deny industry members their precious control over communication you attack the cult in a very direct manner... people snap out.. etc.
I am not trying to "deny another person their rights". That's what you hear, because that what you want to hear, and apparently can't comprehend what I'm actually saying. I haven't once asked you or anyone else to re-ban him.
This is not about you unbanning Who, it's how you went about it. And more specifically, scapegoating me for his "wrongful banning".
Stop patronizing me. I know Ginger's policies and political views. I was here long before you arrived. What does any of that have to do with the questions I asked?
I had several reasons for not doing that. First off, I didn't, and still don't consider it an issue. I was investigating a forum ban, and as far as i'm concerned, I don't want to get involved in some personal dispute between you and TheWho.
This isn't a personal dispute between me and Who. It's between me and YOU. I guess you don't consider it an issue. You're not the one being scapegoated for Who being wrongfully banned for flooding- actually the term Ginger used was "spamming", although you accused him of flooding at the time, and apparently supported the decision. I didn't then, and still don't know the forum's defintions of spamming and flooding. Do you? And ultimately, can a person technically be banned? Or is that information not forthcoming because it is reserved for the "tyranny of majority" to use at their discrection?
I don't particularly like the guy, considering he's an industry member, but up to this point have been able to control myself. You, on the other hand, were calling him a terrorist (don't make me pull out that email ! ).
What's up with the threats to post my private communications? I venture to guess that most feel the same way. Certainly anyone who's been stalked by him. Is your posting my opinion that he's a forum terrorist supposed to imply something? Careful how high you put yourself on the pedestal.
You know i've been in program. You should, thereby know that I find it very difficult to trust most people, especially program parents in general. Also consider i've been fucked with by all kinds of people, from my parents, to benchmark, to a vicious ex girlfriend, to another vicious cruel ex girlfriend (bad luck... don't ask) It's just a natural thing i'll have to overcome in time. Don't take it personally that I don't trust every single word you say, or anybody for that matter.
I don't take it personally. What I take personally is you vindicating Who and refusing to look at the information I've given you or told you how to find. Sorry you were fucked by the industry. We all were. That's why we're here. What's your 'lack of trust' got to do with your refusal to look at information available to you?
I know that everybody lies sometimes, especially those who claim they don't. I know by experience. Most people do it for good reasons, some for bad, but I know your heart was good and perhaps you did add a bunny hat or whatever he accused you of. I've never really looked into it, and frankly, I didn't want to. I was also busy with Fornits admin stuff and dodging SS at the time...
Don't give me that bullshit, too busy. You'll find in my PMs a message to Who warning him that his anon posts would be tagged in the HLA forum before he was banned. No surprises, nothing underhanded. You could confirm that for yourself in less time than it took you to look up Who's anon posts.... but "you don't want to". THAT's what this is about. You listen to Who's manipulating, ego stroking, sob story; unban him, scapegoat me, and refuse to look at the facts. There was no "investigation". You looked at the number of anon posts he'd made and declared he wasn't flooding. Why bother with constructing that lame explanation at all? Just unban him and be done with it.
Look at yourself... You just outed a guest poster who you didn't like becuase he pissed you off, and because you're pissed off at me for calming the situation down to the point where TheWho was not going to persue the matter, furthermore, he did say he would avoid you for a while, at least.
What exactly does that mean? So, we're to have double standards psy? You can out him, but I can't? "Your rules" are becoming clearer.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 445#278445 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=278445#278445)
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 455#278455 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=278455#278455)
Yes. There is a 99.9% probability that The Who is industry, but on this site, as I understand Ginger's "rules" around here, that entitles them to the same posting rights.
Why can't you get off defending Who's right to post? That's not what's at issue here. I want you to stop scapegoating me for Who's "wrongful banning". He apparently did violate Ginger's spamming policy at the time or she wouldn't have banned him. I didn't ban him or lead any organized effort to have him banned. You agreed with his banning at the time. Based on what? When did you change your mind?
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You are not allowed to do that... have you gone completely fucking rogue. Remember what I said about control over communication. You may not recognize the pattern... You were never there.
It got it psy. But, actually, that was bait. You confirmed it was Who with your comment. The same thing that goes on on this forum everyday. Just like you telling Who that HLA staff were outted on the HLA forum for a reason.
Where do you get off on making comments like that? Where do you get off speaking or apologizing for me? Post one damn time an HLA staff was outted. People can guess, they can bait, they can outright claim they know who the poster is. All bait. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Like I said, running errands over who said what to whom is not part of my job description. If you have evidence, produce it, but stop using superpowers.
No the people who have superpowers here are those who possess the tech skills necessary to keep the forum running. They're invaluable, and apparently infallible.
Great. Should we turn this into an online court case.. Who cares.. it's over. The who wants to leave it, everything is sorted out, I think you two just need to avoid each other or take it to free-for-all, the online version of a rap (to an extent) and go for the neck.
I don't give a shit what Who wants. Matter of fact, I'm sick of hearing what Who wants.
Actually, it didn't fail. I read you loud and clear.
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Deb, you are about the most level headed, persistent, consistent unreasonable woman I know and a very good friend. But I really do think you've let this one get under your skin too much. He can't really hurt us in the long run. Don't worry.
I appreciate that, and my concern is not that Who will "hurt us" in the long run. That is the least of my "worries".
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to many 2 inch rule violations for me to want to read any of this...
Let us all try to square off against each other in the following format:
Deb to Psy:
Eat goat cheese and die.
Psy to Deborah:
NO U!
In short maybe this convo is better taken to private message after some tempers cool a bit?
If conflict is difficult for you, why don't you stop reading this thread. I tried resolving this with psy privately. He can't be bothered.
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You are not allowed to do that... have you gone completely fucking rogue. Remember what I said about control over communication. You may not recognize the pattern... You were never there.
So, in addition to being a bitch, I'm now worthless and dishonest. I appreciate you coming clean with your true feelings about me. It helps put things in perspective.
Like I said, running errands over who said what to whom is not part of my job description. If you have evidence, produce it, but stop using superpowers.
What exactly is your job description, for the record? You don't want to confirm, then stop making your assumptions public.
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If you ban somebody for flooding the forums, then ban me. I don't care what the intent of setting up the forums was, I use it, along with a handful of others in our little forum, as the only avenue we have open to dissiminate information and to counter program info. Let the fuckers say what they want, and if nobody has the will to repudiate it or the dignity to ignore it, then why not shut the whole fucking thing down? Free speech is no longer a right in Western Civilization, it's a prize that every ape who posts here is lucky to have a sniff at.
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Yeh, those "value added" kudos from Who make one feel all warm and fuzzy.
You are not allowed to do that... have you gone completely fucking rogue.
Just some clarification- I'm not sure what you were saying there, psy...
I guess you were saying that Deb effectively outed TheWho by making that "warm and fuzzy" remark?
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If you ban somebody for flooding the forums, then ban me. I don't care what the intent of setting up the forums was, I use it, along with a handful of others in our little forum, as the only avenue we have open to dissiminate information and to counter program info. Let the fuckers say what they want, and if nobody has the will to repudiate it or the dignity to ignore it, then why not shut the whole fucking thing down? Free speech is no longer a right in Western Civilization, it's a prize that every ape who posts here is lucky to have a sniff at.
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why don't you stop reading this thread.
Good idea.
**castle unsubscribes to thread** :roll:
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You are not allowed to do that... have you gone completely fucking rogue. Remember what I said about control over communication. You may not recognize the pattern... You were never there.
So, in addition to being a bitch, I'm now worthless and dishonest. I appreciate you coming clean with your true feelings about me. It helps put things in perspective.
Like I said, running errands over who said what to whom is not part of my job description. If you have evidence, produce it, but stop using superpowers.
What exactly is your job description, for the record? You don't want to confirm, then stop making your assumptions public.
It's incredible how often people keep acting out the same conflicts again and again, in place, and also in different spheres of life. Never ever truer than amidst the cast of characters here.
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It's incredible how often people keep acting out the same conflicts again and again, in place, and also in different spheres of life. Never ever truer than amidst the cast of characters here.
Well, that's because you live somewhere other than reality.
People disagree, sometimes passionately. If all are willing, they work until they find resolution, or agree to disagree.
You have no faith in, and/or fear the natural process of conflict / resolution.
Your solution.... institutionalized coerced treatment. What pattern is that? The "I give up" "I can't do it" "I'm a helpless, hopeless victim to my child" "out of sight, out of mind" pattern?
Or is it the "I am so above everyone else" pattern that you play again and again? :cry2:
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You are not allowed to do that... have you gone completely fucking rogue. Remember what I said about control over communication. You may not recognize the pattern... You were never there.
It got it psy. But, actually, that was bait. You confirmed it was Who with your comment. The same thing that goes on on this forum everyday. Just like you telling Who that HLA staff were outted on the HLA forum for a reason.
It was my impression that that was permissable, as long as it wasn't the TTI. I had no reason to believe that doing that was against the rules, and therefore, I didn't realize I would upset anybody by mentioning it. I was under the impression that the HLA forum was moderated by you, and that you had occasionally outed HLA posters. That was my impression (i don't read the HLA forum much), and if it was incorrect, I'm sorry, I was wrong, and I apologize for offending you.
Where do you get off on making comments like that? Where do you get off speaking or apologizing for me? Post one damn time an HLA staff was outted.
I don't have the time to read the whole HLA forum and figure that out. It really isn't my concern. I don't want to fight with you on this. It's why I never responded to your emails once you got really mad about this.
People can guess, they can bait, they can outright claim they know who the poster is. All bait. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Like I said, running errands over who said what to whom is not part of my job description. If you have evidence, produce it, but stop using superpowers.
No the people who have superpowers here are those who possess the tech skills necessary to keep the forum running. They're invaluable, and apparently infallible.
Yes I am! I am the great, infallable, omniscient, omnipotent Priestess Psy! And over here you have Guru Ginger and Shaik Mohammad Energizer bin-Bunny! We have the power of the Fornits! The gods speak through us (but sadly ignore requests to have Sue Scheff hit by a bus*)
Great. Should we turn this into an online court case.. Who cares.. it's over. The who wants to leave it, everything is sorted out, I think you two just need to avoid each other or take it to free-for-all, the online version of a rap (to an extent) and go for the neck.
I don't give a shit what Who wants. Matter of fact, I'm sick of hearing what Who wants. *[/color]@David Pollack: that is what is commonly known as an attempt at humor. As i've said before. If it's any consolation to your client, I hope you get hit by a bus too. ::both::
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It's incredible how often people keep acting out the same conflicts again and again, in place, and also in different spheres of life. Never ever truer than amidst the cast of characters here.
Well, that's because you live somewhere other than reality.
People disagree, sometimes passionately. If all are willing, they work until they find resolution, or agree to disagree.
You have no faith in, and/or fear the natural process of conflict / resolution.
Your solution.... institutionalized coerced treatment. What pattern is that? The "I give up" "I can't do it" "I'm a helpless, hopeless victim to my child" "out of sight, out of mind" pattern?
Or is it the "I am so above everyone else" pattern that you play again and again? :cry2:
It seems you have a presupposed history with this particular anon, like you know who they are...
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I was thinking the same thing.......that was a strange response to a guest post.
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What was strange about the response Mr. Who?
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Mr. Who, what do you think your daughter tastes like?
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Ginger... fire all your admins and make the gorilla do it.
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Why stop now?
What is more important in this industry than TheWho?
I sure can't think of anything!?!
The funny thing is I bet the people in this thread go to bed thinking their are some kind of child advocates. :rofl:
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:lol:
Most insightful.
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TheWho is not the issue in this thread. Official fornits policy, or lack there of, is the issue of this thread. TheWho is just the catalyst.
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Mr. Who, what do you think your daughter tastes like?
;D :bs: :rasta: :moon:
FUNNIEST FUCKING POST EVER!
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First off, the decision was made, based on the opinion of me, Kelly, and Ginger BEFORE he was un-banned. Even if you include Deborah as an administrator, she is still out-voted three to one.
If you were to poll the whole forum, users and all, it would not matter to me. There is such a thing as they tyranny of the majority, and when you repress speech, you get resistance in return. Respond instead.
There is also such a thing as tyranny of the minority.
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Who "censored" these posts back on page 3?
viewtopic.php?p=285001#p285001 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=285001#p285001)
viewtopic.php?p=285006#p285006 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=285006#p285006)
viewtopic.php?p=285009#p285009 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=285009#p285009)
Was there something Psy didn't want people to read?
viewtopic.php?p=285106#p285106 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=285106#p285106)
That's jacked up. Considering the Who's right to post bullshit under the banner of free speech is defended to the death.
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Just as it is your right to repeatedly pretend you are 19 people at once to fake numerous conversations with yourself.