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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 14, 2007, 01:03:55 PM
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The other thread got lost in blatant fakery, fail, and Whospam, so let's make a new one.
i agree with the legalization of marijuana being a huge social statement which would indirectly lead to more regulation of the tbs industry, but i think it will also polarize and radicalize the population, the people who are still brainwashed by anslinger propaganda will turn into radicals - you'll see alot more crazy parents screaming "oh will anyone think of the children blaaah...". i think we need to wait a few years untill that generation just dies [it's about time!], then it shouldnt be a problem. i think once our generation hits the house weed will most definitely become legal.
i think what we can start doing is educating parents, starting when their kids are in preschool about these institutions. bring it up at PTA meetings, etc. warn other parents about the potential danger. use the whole dateline NBC technique of using fear to spread the word. show them that these institutions are scary - show them that the institutions can do way more damage than any drug.
also hand out flyers at middle and high schools. inform kids of the potential threat. show them where to go and what to do if someone they know has been sent away. personally, even when i got back from hla, the kids at home had no idea where i was, or what the place was like. no matter how much i tried to explain what it was like they simply could not fathom it, they could not belive me, they still think i'm a liar and that these places are too illegal to exist. educate the populace.
another great idea is a parent boycott. if you know of a parent who has sent their kid away, who is away at the moment, boycott them. dont talk to them, refuse to let them in your house. make their lives miserable. have the kid's freinds hold protests outside the house (this actually worked once!!!!). if they come into your store or resturant, kick them out. cut them off on the road. be rude. throw salt on their lawn (maybe write out "child abuser" in salt on their lawn. prank call them. throw trash on their yard. graffiti their house. make their lives miserable. if you can, try to get the whole town in on the shunning.
the only reason continue to send their kids away despite the warnings is a combination of desperation and because it's socially acceptable, almost even a fad. "johhny and sue down the block sent their kids away, why cant we?" i remember a few years ago i was on the bus and some women were talking about treatment centers, one had their kid at casa by the sea and the other was considering sending her daughter to P.V. well, i raised a big fuss, i screamed "child torturers", and gave the entire bus a quick summary of what Casa by the sea is, and that this woman sent her own daughter there. the whole bus started staring at them, giving them dirty looks, one guy even came up and spit on one of the woman....the woman then ordered the bus to stop, they got off, and as it was pulling away i saw one of them collapse in tears. make it so that it's not socially acceptable for parents to send away kids. make it so that it's roughly as acceptable as branding your kids with an iron - and the industry will die.
Loving everything in this post, particularly the last two sentences.
Where I live, though, programs don't exist and are unheard-of; the bad kids go to Youth Correctional Center. I haven't had the opportunity to publically humiliate any program parents outside this forum (and ST) either, and I doubt I ever will, mostly because (unless I'm /i/nfiltrating) I wouldn't be caught dead where program parents hang out.
Anyone else ever get a good chance to crush a programmie in public?
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When I got home I punched my father in the face and he started to cry and I laughed at him. I told my mom she is a bitch and deserves no love from anyone, and is probably while she never will or ever will receive love from another human being. Fresh out of a program and all, I was in a confrontational mood.
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Anyone else ever get a good chance to crush a programmie in public?
I make a point of going by Miller Newton's house every so often and letting him know what I think of him. His neighbors love me. No, seriously. The can't stand him and have backed us in getting his "church" cut back in his neighborhood.
::rocker:: ::seg:: :smokin:
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A couple of days ago the O.C. Register posted a story in which Laguna Hills was trying to ban "legal" medical pot from being sold in their city. Apparently they are affraid a bunch of pot-heads are going to be hanging around the facility waiting to steal the medical pot. Can you say "paranoid"?
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When I got home I punched my father in the face and he started to cry and I laughed at him. I told my mom she is a bitch and deserves no love from anyone, and is probably while she never will or ever will receive love from another human being. Fresh out of a program and all, I was in a confrontational mood.
If anyone else would like to follow in this Anon's footsteps, please get video (at least audio) and YT that shit.
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A couple of days ago the O.C. Register posted a story in which Laguna Hills was trying to ban "legal" medical pot from being sold in their city. Apparently they are affraid a bunch of pot-heads are going to be hanging around the facility waiting to steal the medical pot. Can you say "paranoid"?
and rightfully so. i'm all for legalization, i smoke tons of weed. and i know firsthand what the business is like, and it aint all peace love and maryjane. a month or so ago, a major dispensary got robbed. a whole gang of thugs just stormed in and took everything. the problem is that weed is still a street drug, so ANYONE can sell it. there are major issues now with outdoor marijuana in cali, not like what it used to be. all the mexican cartels are moving to northern cali to grow their weed there, so they dont have to smuggle it. theres fields of the stuff all over the national parks, and it's being patrolled by gangs of mexicans armed to the teeth. a few hikers who just happened upon the fields have already gotten killed this year. whats even worse, in a way, is that these guys have no regard for the environment. they drag loads of trash into the woods and leave it there. they divert streams, and lay miles of pipe that distrupt the wildlife, and they use massive amounts of artificial nutrients (miraclegro is the mexi's fav), which ravage the ecosystem and pollute the crap out of otherwise pristine wildernes.
the indoor medical growers also have issues. the distribution and security is not yet regulated. although some people have been able to register, and grow their pot while the police keep an eye on them and help with security, it is still a primarily a clandestine industry. this means anyone can just roll up and rob them. so, people install booby traps, get guns, etc...which invites violence. there is a saying in the business "get a grand, get a gun". it's simply impossible to maintain a decent bussiness without some sort of security.
so there are only two options:
A. have sophisticated surveilance and armed guards/police standing at ever grow house and dispensary, and traveling with every shipment.
B. legalize it completely so that people on the street wont be able to make any money off of it. make it so that it is not profitable for them anymore.
the govt will never allocate funds for police help, why would they? so the only option is B. why would anyone buy shit on the street when they can get it at a store? if the gangs cant make money off of it, they will not get involved. then no more guns, an therefore less marijuana bussiness-related murder.
if you want a fairly realistic portrayl of the bussiness, watch WEEDS. nancy thinks she's safe, but then the guy she was selling her weed to in bulk decides that instead of paying her, he's going to just take it at gunpoint. when the weed goes missing, she cant give him any, so instead she owes HIM for the weed, and has to work off the money. (whats stopping him?). this kinda shit goes on all the time. untill we not only legalize, but legitimize the bussiness, guns, violence and bad bussiness will be a mainstay in the industry.....not just in america, it's like this worldwide, (execpt for a few small tiny pockets like amsterdam)
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if you want a fairly realistic portrayl of the bussiness, watch WEEDS.
:rofl: :roll: ::roflmao::
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laugh all you want. be naive all you want. but i'll be laughing when you break down crying after you get robbed.
and weeds is pretty fuckin realistic. they even use real grow equipment on set. whoever writes the script really knows what they are talking about.
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but i'll be laughing when you break down crying after you get robbed.
::mecry:: ::roflmao::
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Double dare anyone who's really pissed to start posting their parents' real names and addresses.
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you know I find this "legal for medical reasons" thing quirky. So many Americans i have spoken to smoke the stuff. in fact many to my surprise and bemusement have been people who otherwise appear to be quite conventional and a little on the conservative side. This is in contrast to here where it is associated with "ratbag uni students" or somebodies lesbian hippy artist great aunt. Like wacky breakfast cereals, new york city and the Ripleys beleive it or not museum this is one of the things that make America great.
If most people in the US without cancer apparently smoke dope for the same reasons i like a g &T on a summer day why not just make it legal for harm minimisation & libertarian reasons instead of claiming medical necessity. Call a spade a spade already :wink:
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Double dare anyone who's really pissed to start posting their parents' real names and addresses.
Hmmm.
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Double dare anyone who's really pissed to start posting their parents' real names and addresses.
dont post it here, put it somewhere else and link it, you dont want to make fornits go looking for another web host.
and make sure to use a proxy....or two....or three......
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If most people in the US without cancer apparently smoke dope for the same reasons i like a g &T on a summer day why not just make it legal for harm minimization & libertarian reasons instead of claiming medical necessity. Call a spade a spade already :wink:
Well said.
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you know I find this "legal for medical reasons" thing quirky. So many Americans i have spoken to smoke the stuff. in fact many to my surprise and bemusement have been people who otherwise appear to be quite conventional and a little on the conservative side. This is in contrast to here where it is associated with "ratbag uni students" or somebodies lesbian hippy artist great aunt. Like wacky breakfast cereals, new york city and the Ripleys beleive it or not museum this is one of the things that make America great.
If most people in the US without cancer apparently smoke dope for the same reasons i like a g &T on a summer day why not just make it legal for harm minimisation & libertarian reasons instead of claiming medical necessity. Call a spade a spade already :wink:
Damn right! Claiming medicinal necessity is pointless when so many people smoke it anyways, and it detracts from the real issue i'd like to see addressed: the right to my own body!
Sadly, weed isassociated in the American consciousness with "ratbag uni students" even though most that smoke it blend in quite well otherwise. Why the association? Good question.
Consider this: marijuana, if out and out legalized would do more than just hurt the pharmaceutical industry. It would hurt the doctors who make a killing off prescribing medication as well. I meet with a doctor once a month who prescribes aderall (required for "controlled substances"). He makes $160 on each and every appointment for simply asking "how are things going... ok... here's your prescription".
The government, by regulating what I can put in MY own body makes it necessary for me to either feed into the system, or risk criminal penalties by breaking the law. If I could simply eat a brownie in the morning to deal with my ADHD, the necessity would disappear (as in, my doctors appointments would become optional, rather than a procedural, beaurocratic mockery) along with my financial contributions to the drug comanies. That isn't even to mention all the other things that have been verified to be helped by marijuana (http://http://www.druglibrary.org/crl/default.htm). and we all know big corporations have absolutely no say at all into what goes into our legislation.
Consider this: Marinol, which contains the same active ingredient as weed (THC), but is manufactured by the drug companies, is considered a Schedule III drug (low penalty) while marijuana is a Schedule I drug, in the same class as heroin.
Consider this: Marijuana was originally made illegal not based on any sort of scientific study, but rather on racism towards blacks and Mexicans.
Consider this: drug testing as part as a "drug free workplace" is rarely done to the higher echelon of employees, even though they have potentially could do more damage if they were in fact the "drug fiend" stereotypes the media portrays them as. Why are only the low paying jobs drug tested? Could it be that the underlying issues of racism are still alive and well?
When I was working for a government contractor, supposedly working on "secret" (as in, don't tell the auditors how much we're charging) contracts, yet I was not drug tested, and neither were any of my coworkers. On the other hand, if I were to apply for a job at the local McDonalds (where, of course, many minorities work), they'd send me straight to pee in a cup (and I refuse to do that after my humiliation at Benchmark... I can't even pee in a urinal anymore.. too exposed).
Consider this: When I have been "on marijuana" before, nobody has ever been able to notice (not even cops, not even my own parents). People make comments, but they're all overwhelmingly positive. It's an effective treatment for ADHD. My coordination goes up, not down, on pot (and my psychiatrist explained this is not uncommon). Unoffically, he acknowledges that pot is an effective treatment for a host of disorders... why? I'm guessing because a whole bunch of his patients have reported the same to him. The evidence isn't purely anecdotal. There are mountains of studies saying just that (http://http://www.druglibrary.org/special/tart/tartcont.htm) <-- good book! Effects are largely dosage and strain Dependant. Coordination goes UP unless you "smoke your brains out", in which case you're probably going to take a nap anyway.
I don't know what else to say but that what the government says pot does is absolute fucking bullshit... If you want to find out what pot really does do, smoke, and videotape yourself doing very complicated things stoned (that way you can't say you were imagining doing things better later). At least with me, I can prove that I perform better in pot. That's a fact (not that i currently smoke, since it's illegal...)
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It's an effective treatment for ADHD.
That's a fact. As many college students have known over the years, a bong hit or two before studying or before an exam improves academic performance. You just gotta be careful not to overdo the dosage. Slight buzz = improved concentration.
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Really? Are you sure? Dont get me wrong. I had a lot of fun with what my nanna would refer to as university cigarettes but I dont think they ever were a study aid. If anything my mind would turn to food. Speaking of which one of the best student foods in the world was "special" mars bar slice (Milky way to you Americans)
Mars Bar Slice
3 cups rice bubbles
5 x 60g Mars bars, chopped
75g Butter
1 tablespoon Golden Syrup
150g Dark Cooking Chocolate, chopped
A few big buds
Method: Place chopped Mars bars in a heatproof bowl with butter and golden syrup. mix the dope buds in.
Microwave on high for about 1 1/2 minutes or until Mars bars are melted. Mix until smooth.
Stir in rice bubbles and press mixture firmly into lightly greased 20cm square cake tin.
Place in refrigerator until firm.
Place chocolate pieces in a heatproof bowl. Microwave high for 1-2 minutes, or until melted.
Spread evenly over slice and refrigerate until set.
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Maybe you don't have ADD.
As for the munchies, I always waited till after studying or after the test before eating, because then I'd get too laid back and sleepy.
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note that marinol, although it contains THC, "contains the active ingredient in marijuana" is not an accurate statement. marinol is in fact a synthetic analog, a little bit different from actual thc.
compare the THC molecule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tetr ... abinol.svg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tetrahydrocannabinol.svg)
with the marinol molecule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dronabinol.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dronabinol.png)
also note that THC is not solely responsible for the effects of cannabis. there are a few hundred other compounds which affect the experience, along with dozens of other cannabinoids. among them are:
CBD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol)
CBDV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidivarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidivarin)
CBN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinol)
CBG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabigerol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabigerol)
CBV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabivarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabivarin)
CBL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabicyclol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabicyclol)
11-hydroxy-THC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11-Hydroxy-THC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11-Hydroxy-THC)
(note that 11-hydroxy is what intoxicates you when you eat rather than smoke marijuana, your liver converts thc into 11-hydroxy before it hits your bloodstream, and it causes a more intense high more simmilar to alchohol e.g you get the spins and the walls start caving in)
and THCV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabivarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabivarin)
although most canabinoids are not psychoactive by themselves, they alter the action of THC and the other psychoactive ones. e.g CBD is known to subdue an extreme thc high, or bring you down in other words, which is partially why sativa strains are psychedelic while indica strains just lock you to the couch. also, many canabinoids although non-psychoactive have many redeeming properties just by themselves, for example CBG lowers blood pressure. the cannabinoids essentially are very balanced - if you take just thc or marinol, you will have a slightly psychedelic experience. if you take just CBD, you'll feel very relaxed and free from pain - but if you combine the two, the two chemicals moderate each other, keeping you from either getting too "bugged out" or getting too lazy.
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Consider this: Marijuana was originally made illegal not based on any sort of scientific study, but rather on racism towards blacks and Mexicans.
It definitely entered into the equation, but I think economic incentive, i.e., eliminate the competition, was the primary goal (for Hearst, Dupont, et al). Racism and self-interest on the part of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, or what ever it was called at the time, were piled on to clinch the matter.
As things stand now, I think economic incentive still plays a huge part of this. Think of how many drug warriors would be out of business were the laws changed anytime soon. And this is really just looking at the bottom echelon. The real movers and shakers in all of this operate far above the fray of ideologues they employ to do the dirty work.
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It's an effective treatment for ADHD.
That's a fact. As many college students have known over the years, a bong hit or two before studying or before an exam improves academic performance. You just gotta be careful not to overdo the dosage. Slight buzz = improved concentration.
Not into the college thing these days, but I found this to be true while studying last year... A slight buzz helped get me really into those algebra equations...
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It's an effective treatment for ADHD.
That's a fact. As many college students have known over the years, a bong hit or two before studying or before an exam improves academic performance. You just gotta be careful not to overdo the dosage. Slight buzz = improved concentration.
Not into the college thing these days, but I found this to be true while studying last year... A slight buzz helped get me really into those algebra equations...
This has not been scientifically proven, but it is fact IMO, especially if applied in mathematics or any type of logic course. I could get a tremendous amount of work done in a short period of time. Chemistry, Liberal arts electives etc. it didn’t seem to have as much of an effect (for me).
But, as mentioned in a previous post, there is a limited window in which it works.
In college I use to play pool on Fridays nights, belonged to a club. I found, over and over again that I would get better after a few beers (or a couple trips out back) and I was unbeatable, I could nail a bank shot “Dead nutsâ€
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nobody cares what you think you sexual predator
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nobody cares what you think you sexual predator
Agreed. GTFO.
I wonder how much damage I can do looking for kids whose siblings were sent to these hellholes?
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It's an effective treatment for ADHD.
That's a fact. As many college students have known over the years, a bong hit or two before studying or before an exam improves academic performance. You just gotta be careful not to overdo the dosage. Slight buzz = improved concentration.
Not into the college thing these days, but I found this to be true while studying last year... A slight buzz helped get me really into those algebra equations...
I could never concentrate when studying and my grades were not always great. My friend Ellie would let me have a pill of hers which helped me on really big study nights. I could get so much done in one night but I would pay for it the next day. It was worth when I took the test the next day.
the who, I heard that too from people who played darts here at the local pubs.