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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 12, 2007, 09:53:05 AM
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http://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx ... nid=401345 (http://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx?t=204&nid=401345)
Hyde’s Jeffrey Burroughs Awarded Fellowship for School Leaders
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9/4/2007
Bath, ME — Hyde School’s Assistant Head of School Jeffrey Burroughs was selected by the National Association of Independent Schools (NAIS) to receive an NAIS Fellowship for Aspiring School Heads. The fellowship supports the professional development of independent school administrators who have shown significant leadership ability. Through intensive programming, mentoring, and specialized projects, NAIS Fellows develop their leadership capacities and study the major issues facing independent schools today. The program prepares these individuals to take on future leadership roles in education. Burroughs is one of 36 Fellows for 2007-08. The 22 men and 14 women hail from NAIS member schools in 21 states.
Burroughs is currently in the second leg of a long career with Hyde-Bath, having worked at the school in the 1990s most notably as the Director of Admission from 1994-1997. Follow a six-year period in which Burroughs worked as a program manager for IBM in Burlington, VT, he and his wife, Melissa, returned to Hyde in 2003.
Head of School Laurie Hurd notes of Burroughs: “Jeff is a great role model for students as well as faculty. He is a dedicated teacher and coach who also inspires trust and enthusiasm among the people who work with him.â€
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"independent school administrators who have shown significant leadership ability"
Wonder how they evaluate that when you apply for that fellowship. Sounds like it is pretty contingent on how your bosses feel about you.
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Mister Burroughs... helpful, earnest, well-meaning, willing to work for a pittance in the hopes that he'll get anywhere with us... Just our kind of fellow. Good choice, good choice! Har har har!!
Keeping my options open,
Joe "Good-Golf" Gauld, The Educator
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::bwahaha:: ::bwahaha:: Oh, for the love of "Hyde's family-centered, character-first credo" and "that principle-based community!" This from the Alumni Newsletter of Fall 2003 (pdf download link notes that it is 2004, which may or may not be incorrect; there's a photo of the family there, in case you're interested).
To paraphrase Melissa Burroughs, "What values is Hyde really teaching our children—by their actions, rather than [by] their words?"
:clown:
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Many Happy Returns (http://http://web.archive.org/web/20040603000919/http://hyde.edu/materialuploads/HydeAlumniNews2004.pdf)
On a December evening almost a year ago, Melissa Burroughs was driving home to Vermont, fresh from a Hyde-sponsored family workshop in Bath, when she had an epiphany. It gripped her so strongly that she immediately called her husband, Jeff, who was at home with their three children, to announce: "I'm heading back to Hyde. I know that's where I need to be." That direct and simple statement of Melissa's proved to be the catalyst of an eventful year in 2003 for the Burroughs family. Following Melissa's lead, Jeff felt he was due for a change as well. He had few, if any, reservations about returning to the place where he and Melissa had both worked happily from 1991 to 1997. After contacting Laurie Hurd and being offered exciting positions at the school, the Burroughs headed east to Bath; Jeff arriving first, in April, followed by Melissa and their children at the end of the school year, in June. Re-acclimating themselves within the Hyde fold has been easy, both Jeff and Melissa report, because they know the type of community that exists at Hyde, and it is primarily for that principle-based community they have returned.
"But if one should guide his life by true principles,
[one]'s greatest wealth is to live on a little with contented mind; for a little is never lacking."
On the Nature of Things, Book 5, Line 1117 [/list][/list]
This is not the first time that kismet played a hand in the Burroughs' respective decisions to work for Hyde School. While both of them attended an Independent Education Conference in 1991, Jeff received an offer for an interview to teach at Hyde and, upon informing his then girlfriend Melissa of that fact, found out that Hyde was one of the places she was most interested in, as well. Jeff was hired that fall to teach calculus, although he eventually worked his way to become the director of admissions [Hyde-Bath]. The following year, after completing a National Outdoor Leadership School course, Melissa took a position with Hyde-Bath, teaching English and working in the College Placement Office. She was also persuaded, Jeff recalls, to join him in marriage as well as work: the couple wed that following summer in Vermont. Hyde faculty was in full force at the wedding.
Shortly after the birth of their first child Jeb (now age 7), the Burroughs decided to leave Hyde to return to their native Vermont. Besides wanting their children to be nearer their own parents, they also were interested in seeing what was going on outside the world of Hyde—and in testing some of what they had learned at Hyde within different contexts. For Jeff, who felt he had underutilized his M.S. in engineering up to that point, the new context was a 40+-hour-per-week job with IBM. Melissa, meanwhile, delved into a completely different world: that of mothering and building ties with other mothers and members of her community. Melissa felt strongly that she wanted her family—which had grown to include two more children, Andrew (5) and Liza (3)—to have a strong support network. She saw some positive things happening in a couple of different areas, most notably at the family's church, but they were never as wide-reaching as she hoped they would be. Melissa noted:
"There are a lot of wonderful people out there, all trying to do their best by their children; but in focusing solely on their own children's needs (physical, emotional, or what have you); sometimes they forget to look at the larger environment of which their families are a part. Very few people ask: 'How is our community working? What could we do to be better, as a group? What values are we
really teaching our children—by our actions, rather than our words?'"[/list]
A desire to be with others who were asking the same questions brought Melissa to that Hyde family workshop last December, and ultimately brought the Burroughs family back to Bath earlier this year.
With regard to their personal goals at Hyde-Bath, Melissa is presently helping part-time in the College Placement Office and with the Family Education Program (FEP). She hopes this latter position will bloom in the future, as it was primarily Hyde's family-centered, character-first credo that drew her and Jeff back to the school. She hopes to share some of the good ideas promoted by the FEP within the greater Bath community, perhaps in churches and schools. Jeff was rehired as the assistant head of school (Hyde-Bath) and he teaches algebra, as well. He hopes to contribute to the school through his current assignment, and to progress to other administrative roles that may open in the future. For the present, the Burroughs are very glad to be living in a community that supports them while also encouraging them to stretch and to overcome obstacles. Theirs is a happy return—both from their own perspective, and from the school's.
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I was out running on day. It was a hot summer day. I like to give credit where credit it due: I don't think I would be running if I did not go to Hyde. But any way. I finish my run in this parking lot. There is an old couple sitting in a car with the doors open. The car has a Hyde sticker on it. So I ask, "did you have a kid that when to Hyde?" They said no our son worked there. He used to be the director of admissions"
"Oh does he still work there"?
"No he got done. Did you go there?"
"Yes, a long time ago obviously."
"Who is doing his job now?"
"Oh a Gauld."
"Are there any jobs there that pay anything that aren't done by a Gauld?"
The woman just smiled
From a house made of skulls
With a cobra snake for a neck tie
Silvio Gray
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So I am walking down the street one day. I see this guy walking toward me with one of those fleece vests on. The fleece had the Hyde crest embroiled on it.
"Hey did you go to Hyde?"
"No I used to work there. I was the admissions director"
"Oh. I met your Mom and Dad a couple of years ago."
"Really?"
"Yes"
"I Just quit my job I am moving back to Bath, I have another job at Hyde."
"Hey good luck with that."
FYI I never tell anyone I went to Hyde any more. For some reason it has a reputation associated with it that is not altogether positive.
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This is not the first time that kismet played a hand in the Burroughs' respective decisions to work for Hyde School.
Perhaps kismet also played a hand in their not working there for some time, and for you running into not only the parents, but the son as well... What are the chances of that? ::huh::
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Who writes this cornball shit? no author noted.
...the guiding hand of kismet, working happily, exciting blooming positions within the fold of Hyde, stretching and overcoming obstacles in a principled community, the happy return, a family-centered, character-first credo... and the whole overall tone of: no place hass as high a moral standard and concern for their community as does Hyde, even Church!
:o
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The editor quotes Lucretius paean to poverty. Why? Is the target audience the teachers, suspicious and angry that the Burroughs were lured back by a Gauldian salary? Hyde lying to its own?
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no place hass as high a moral standard and concern for their community as does Hyde, even Church!
Har-har-harrr!!! You better believe it, PAL!!! Hyde IS your church, you miserable snot-nosed flaccid-dicked panty-waist!! Don't you ever fergit it!!
You liver-bellied spoiled rich BRATS have had Life handed to you on a silver platter fer way too long!
Suck it up and GIT yerself sum CHARACTER!!! Poverty breeds character!!
Blazing with glory,
Joseph W. Gauld, Visionary and Educator
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And another thing, IDIOT!! They ain't no Gaulds, so no Gauld salary!! Let that be a lesson you memorize when you say yer prayers to me tonight... Pennies and pittance fer the peons, 'till they marry into the Family! Why do you think I've got that Hurd-Turd licking my butt so nicely?! Hmmm? I've got that whole family all kissy-kissy, Har har har!
Aristocratically,
Joseph I-wear-the-halo Gauld, The Educator
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Melissa, meanwhile, delved into a completely different world: that of mothering and building ties with other mothers and members of her community. Melissa felt strongly that she wanted her family—which had grown to include two more children, Andrew (5) and Liza (3)—to have a strong support network. She saw some positive things happening in a couple of different areas, most notably at the family's church, but they were never as wide-reaching as she hoped they would be.
...it was primarily Hyde's family-centered, character-first credo that drew her and Jeff back to the school. She hopes to share some of the good ideas promoted by the FEP within the greater Bath community, perhaps in churches and schools.
for some reason i find this pretty f-ing creepy
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Melissa, meanwhile, delved into a completely different world: that of mothering and building ties with other mothers and members of her community. Melissa felt strongly that she wanted her family—which had grown to include two more children, Andrew (5) and Liza (3)—to have a strong support network. She saw some positive things happening in a couple of different areas, most notably at the family's church, but they were never as wide-reaching as she hoped they would be.
...it was primarily Hyde's family-centered, character-first credo that drew her and Jeff back to the school. She hopes to share some of the good ideas promoted by the FEP within the greater Bath community, perhaps in churches and schools.
for some reason i find this pretty f-ing creepy
I believe she will be disappointed. When you walk through those gates you might as well be going to another planet. Most of the locals look at you like you have a third eye in the middle of your forehead when you tell them you are from Hyde.
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Melissa, meanwhile, delved into a completely different world: that of mothering and building ties with other mothers and members of her community. Melissa felt strongly that she wanted her family—which had grown to include two more children, Andrew (5) and Liza (3)—to have a strong support network. She saw some positive things happening in a couple of different areas, most notably at the family's church, but they were never as wide-reaching as she hoped they would be.
...it was primarily Hyde's family-centered, character-first credo that drew her and Jeff back to the school. She hopes to share some of the good ideas promoted by the FEP within the greater Bath community, perhaps in churches and schools.
for some reason i find this pretty f-ing creepy
I believe she will be disappointed. When you walk through those gates you might as well be going to another planet. Most of the locals look at you like you have a third eye in the middle of your forehead when you tell them you are from Hyde.
I don't find Melissa'a predilection for having church a big part of her life "creepy." Some people prefer a more structured compass than others, and that's okay.
What I do find "creepy" is the insinuation that Hyde is better at providing "a strong support network," not to mention probably spiritual guidance, etc., than a Church might possibly provide. Plus the part of bringing the message out to the greater Bath community... like those pagan heathens need to hear about the real God from the missionaries.
@ Mr. Third Eye: Yeah, I caught a memory flash of going into town those few times that I did from your description. I never mentioned that I was from Hyde after that first time, but these people all knew, of course. KaKoe's (sp?) was a little different, 'cuz they were so close and hence made a lot of money off of Hyde students. But downtown Bath? All eyes upon you...
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i remember one day when the whole school was out to work and we were doing a particularly hard work-out in the sunken garden, this work out included doing iso-abs as groups of 5 students at a time ran carrying pumpkins of 3 stair sets around the wall near the mansion and back down. mrs. burrough was in charge of the work out, she was crying, as usual.dont ask me why,she was always overly emotional, anyway she was shouting stuff at the students, telling us "deep down you are awful people" "you should be ashamed" and insulting, degrading stuff like that, she made everyone scream out all the rules they had broken while doing the workout, this included people telling that they had broken the sex ethic, she ordered us to be as specific as possible. i have a clear memory of that day. i was so enraged, i knew she wanted us to be ashamed of our behavior and i felt no giult . she was wrong to talk to us like that, she was wrong to let her emotions take over in that situation.-to all the administration who act irrationally like this, i want to say get a grip you are abusing your position and giving students the absolute wrong idea.
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i remember one day when the whole school was out to work and we were doing a particularly hard work-out in the sunken garden, this work out included doing iso-abs as groups of 5 students at a time ran carrying pumpkins of 3 stair sets around the wall near the mansion and back down. mrs. burrough was in charge of the work out, she was crying, as usual.dont ask me why,she was always overly emotional, anyway she was shouting stuff at the students, telling us "deep down you are awful people" "you should be ashamed" and insulting, degrading stuff like that, she made everyone scream out all the rules they had broken while doing the workout, this included people telling that they had broken the sex ethic, she ordered us to be as specific as possible. i have a clear memory of that day. i was so enraged, i knew she wanted us to be ashamed of our behavior and i felt no giult . she was wrong to talk to us like that, she was wrong to let her emotions take over in that situation.-to all the administration who act irrationally like this, i want to say get a grip you are abusing your position and giving students the absolute wrong idea.
OMG. She looks so squeaky clean and downright motherly in that photo. Goes to show, though, what Hyde will turn you into... Thanks for putting the record straight! Ha ha haaa!!
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i remember one day when the whole school was out to work and we were doing a particularly hard work-out in the sunken garden, this work out included doing iso-abs as groups of 5 students at a time ran carrying pumpkins of 3 stair sets around the wall near the mansion and back down. mrs. burrough was in charge of the work out, she was crying, as usual.dont ask me why,she was always overly emotional, anyway she was shouting stuff at the students, telling us "deep down you are awful people" "you should be ashamed" and insulting, degrading stuff like that, she made everyone scream out all the rules they had broken while doing the workout, this included people telling that they had broken the sex ethic, she ordered us to be as specific as possible. i have a clear memory of that day. i was so enraged, i knew she wanted us to be ashamed of our behavior and i felt no giult . she was wrong to talk to us like that, she was wrong to let her emotions take over in that situation.-to all the administration who act irrationally like this, i want to say get a grip you are abusing your position and giving students the absolute wrong idea.
So the kids had to shout out to the Lord, and the sky, and anyone and everyone in earshot including the Maintenance men who forsure took this info home and talked and snickered about it with their wives and pals in the neighboring community etc. etc. ect.
Guilty until proven innocent, the Hyde way. How very therapeutic.
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Nope, no innocence: "deep down you are awful people"
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Its beginning to feel downright pentecostal in here.
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Hey,
It is nice to know that some things don't change. Hyde: Still crazy after all those years.
Led Egg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Archibald_Spooner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Archibald_Spooner)
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Hyde... krill Stazi after all youse tears.
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Its beginning to feel downright pentecostal in here.
Pentecostal is good. Making you run sprints for infractions of the rules is one thing. But Mrs. Burroughs's shouting from the sidelines that "deep down you are awful people" adds a crazy religious element to it. The continuation of her thought is: "Deep down you are awful people, but you won't be if you embrace Hyde."
Mrs. Burroughs' behavior crosses over into theological antagonism, and it is perfectly consistent with what I experienced at Hyde. She turns disciplinary action into religious conversion and you ultimately leave Hyde with either an inferiority complex or a superiority complex. It is this religious fanaticism -- and the however many years of brainwashing -- that makes Hyde so pernicious and enduring a force in the lives of many of its students and alums.
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Its beginning to feel downright pentecostal in here.
Pentecostal is good. Making you run sprints for infractions of the rules is one thing. But Mrs. Burroughs's shouting from the sidelines that "deep down you are awful people" adds a crazy religious element to it. The continuation of her thought is: "Deep down you are awful people, but you won't be if you embrace Hyde."
Mrs. Burroughs' behavior crosses over into theological antagonism, and it is perfectly consistent with what I experienced at Hyde. She turns disciplinary action into religious conversion and you ultimately leave Hyde with either an inferiority complex or a superiority complex. It is this religious fanaticism -- and the however many years of brainwashing -- that makes Hyde so pernicious and enduring a force in the lives of many of its students and alums.
Why not call the beast by its simpler name:
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Why not call the beast by its simpler name:
I'm not convinced that cult is the right name. Hyde has cultic elements, but I don't think it qualifies as a cult. It seems more like a sect to me, which defines and presents itself in opposition to a powerful mainstream rival with a rich past.
I am opposed in principle to the use of labels. Imagine if Mansion Dweller had just yelled cult instead of giving us his fine slice-of-life description. We would have been the poorer for it.
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Why not call the beast by its simpler name:
I'm not convinced that cult is the right name. Hyde has cultic elements, but I don't think it qualifies as a cult. It seems more like a sect to me, which defines and presents itself in opposition to a powerful mainstream rival with a rich past.
I am opposed in principle to the use of labels. Imagine if Mansion Dweller had just yelled cult instead of giving us his fine slice-of-life description. We would have been the poorer for it.
Recognizing something as a cult does not obviate slice-of-life descriptions. You're still stuck in pretending you went to a prep school. The effect this place had and has on many people, maybe not you per se, is the kind of psychological damage that one sees with cults. Let us not forget the impassioned fervor its adherents use to spread "the word."
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Ursus,
You grumpy bear, what a silly accusation! You certainly know better than to say that I think Hyde was a prep school. If you think Hyde is a cult, good for you. I don't share your opinion, and it's not for paucity of knowledge.
By the way, I loved your family photo over in the "Web Forum Hosting" forum.
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Ursus,
You grumpy bear, what a silly accusation! You certainly know better than to say that I think Hyde was a prep school. If you think Hyde is a cult, good for you. I don't share your opinion, and it's not for paucity of knowledge.
By the way, I loved your family photo over in the "Web Forum Hosting" forum.
On page 5 of the thread entitled "Problems" in the "Web Forum Hosting" forum, that is.
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Paucity of knowledge is not the same thing as paucity of intelligence.
Nor could I find any family photos on WFH; anyone stupid enough to click lemon party deserves it. Perhaps you might want to address that "paucity of knowledge" issue by learning how to provide links, if you don't want to send people off on useless goose chases.
Last, do you honestly think that no one but the grumpy Bear has the audacity to disagree with you?
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Paucity of knowledge is not the same thing as paucity of intelligence.
Nor could I find any family photos on WFH; anyone stupid enough to click lemon party deserves it. Perhaps you might want to address that "paucity of knowledge" issue by learning how to provide links, if you don't want to send people off on useless goose chases.
Last, do you honestly think that no one but the grumpy Bear has the audacity to disagree with you?
Ursus,
Thank you for specifying the exact location of your family pic. You should change your avatar from bear to clown.
I welcome your and anyone else's disagreement with my opinions. My reaction, unlike yours, will not be a pompous, incoherent attack.
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::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce::
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It is a cult. Walks like a cult ...... must be a cult. It is a personality cult. They need a new personality. Old Joe is not long for this world. I will send my salary requirements if you are interested.
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Ursus,
You grumpy bear, what a silly accusation! You certainly know better than to say that I think Hyde was a prep school. If you think Hyde is a cult, good for you. I don't share your opinion, and it's not for paucity of knowledge.
By the way, I loved your family photo over in the "Web Forum Hosting" forum.
Damn,
That was worse then the cup chicks. I hope I can still get that stiff when I am his age but not in another guys mouth.
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It is a cult. Walks like a cult ...... must be a cult. It is a personality cult. They need a new personality. Old Joe is not long for this world. I will send my salary requirements if you are interested.
I'll give you two conclusive reasons (for me) why you're stretching the definition of cult. First, as you point out, a cult needs a personality to worship. Do you think Hyde will disappear when Joe does? Second, a cult is by definition a total life-long commitment. I suppose there are some students for whom Hyde is a total life-long commitment, for better (Jeff Black, Margo Calvetti, Larry Dubinsky) or worse (Ursus), but they are a tiny, tiny minority. The majority just move on.
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I'll give you two conclusive reasons (for me) why you're stretching the definition of cult. First, as you point out, a cult needs a personality to worship. Do you think Hyde will disappear when Joe does?
Bill W. is long dead and the Stepcrafters still practice. He's legendary and beyond reproach. Sounds familiar.
Second, a cult is by definition a total life-long commitment. I suppose there are some students for whom Hyde is a total life-long commitment, for better (Jeff Black, Margo Calvetti, Larry Dubinsky) or worse (Ursus), but they are a tiny, tiny minority. The majority just move on.
Larry Dubinsky? Life long commitment for the better? The same Dubinsky perv that keeps hanging around even though there have been settlements paid out for his, ahem, indiscretions?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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It is a cult. Walks like a cult ...... must be a cult. It is a personality cult. They need a new personality. Old Joe is not long for this world. I will send my salary requirements if you are interested.
I'll give you two conclusive reasons (for me) why you're stretching the definition of cult. First, as you point out, a cult needs a personality to worship. Do you think Hyde will disappear when Joe does? Second, a cult is by definition a total life-long commitment. I suppose there are some students for whom Hyde is a total life-long commitment, for better (Jeff Black, Margo Calvetti, Larry Dubinsky) or worse (Ursus), but they are a tiny, tiny minority. The majority just move on.
I guess it would depend on your definition of cult. I think it is likely that Hyde will fall apart after Joe. There are the social mechanisms of cult: isolation, dependence, absolute moral authority, in crowd argot , the insider vs outsider ethos. That is enough for me.
No it is not Scientology. No life long commitment financially, but to succeed you need to pledge life long devotion to, what ever the current jargon is, "charater centered" , "purpose driven" life.
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Very interesting dialog this morning; very interesting indeed.
Addressing charges, in no particular order... First, I am not the original poster of said link, not that I particularly care, since that lemonparty site has been kicking around fornits a lot longer than I have, but someone has seen fit to deliberately misquote "Ursus" as though I had just posted said link, in order to place a comment about "family photos."
Since "Mike" has been found guilty of misquoting me in the past, deliberate or otherwise, I find this particular misquote, which definitely was deliberate, coupled with Mike's bringing it up here today, along with the comment of family photos again in response to some bear impersonator, quite telling.Here is the original post which contained that link in the aforementioned thread:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22821&start=39 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22821&start=39)
Here is the post which contained the deliberate misquote:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22821&start=48 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22821&start=48)[/list]Knowing me, and how anal I am about such things, I imagine "Mike" was definitely hoping to get a rise out of me. But... he didn't get one, 'cuz I never revisited that thread. And so... he tries again, here. May the reader contemplate the mind capable of that one.
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Bill W. is long dead and the Stepcrafters still practice. He's legendary and beyond reproach. Sounds familiar.
I don't have the faintest idea who Bill W. and the Stepcrafters are, but no matter. In a cult the cause and the founder are one and the founder is elevated to a divinity. In contrast, at Hyde the cause and the founder are separate and distinct entities and we didn't have to prostrate ourselves before Joe, though that would've been to his liking.
Larry Dubinsky? Life long commitment for the better?
Well, yes. From Larry's perspective, Hyde was a very positive influence on his entire life. But for the rest of us, c'mon, a four-year cult is a contradiction in terms.
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I guess it would depend on your definition of cult. I think it is likely that Hyde will fall apart after Joe. There are the social mechanisms of cult: isolation, dependence, absolute moral authority, in crowd argot , the insider vs outsider ethos. That is enough for me.
No it is not Scientology. No life long commitment financially, but to succeed you need to pledge life long devotion to, what ever the current jargon is, "charater centered" , "purpose driven" life.
I have no quarrel with you at all about the mechanisms you mention. But those are present in a wide range of applications. And, the essential ingredients for a cult -- the divinity, the life-long grip -- are absent.
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Bill W. is long dead and the Stepcrafters still practice.
I am related to one of those. I would concede that AA is a cult but it is beneficial. I was involved in AA early in my sobriety. One of the reasons I ditched it was that it reminded me of Hyde. I have been "Clean and Sober" for 24 years, 22 without AA. AA will tell you that I am not really sober because you can be sober with out AA. My AA buddies told me I would drink again because I left. If I am able, I am going to do a shot right before I die so they can have a satisfied mind on the subject.
Bill is worshiped in absentia. He also left a body of work that is some what more substantial then Joe's with a little more rigor. Hyde fell apart without Joe before. Joe is charismatic. None of the others Hydies have that. You really need a huckster to pitch that stuff to the rubes.
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Okay, onto to the second topic. You're right, "Mike," this is one of my favorites. Yes, of course I believe that Hyde is a cult. And cults come in many shapes and forms, not just the ones which have already entered our cultural consciousness as being unequivocally and universally accepted as such. Prior to all the bodies, most people never thought of Heaven's Gate folk as cult devotees 'cuz they never even heard of them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Hyde is Heaven's Gate, but most people have never heard of Hyde either and even if they have, they certainly don't know the half of it.
By the way, the criteria of "life-long grip" appears to be unique to your interpretation. I do not see it noted below. Most scholars of brainwashing phenomena, moreover, do describe a lessening of influence once the elements of coercion have been removed.
The following comes from a webpage that I visited recently, hence it was still one of my Tabs; some reformatting put in by me. (The beginning of that page (not quoted here) was used in another post (http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23755&start=11) in the 'Maine's Child Molester Protection Legislation' thread.).
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LINK HERE (http://http://lists.topica.com/lists/elijaxonbear-gangajidisgraced/read/message.html?sort=&mid=913389104&start=7)
Lifton brainwashing model
Psychiatrist Robert Lifton described in his 1961 book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of "Brainwashing" in China eight coercive methods which, he says, are able to change the minds of individuals without their knowledge and were used with this purpose on prisoners of war in Korea and China. These include:- milieu control (controlled relations with the outer world)
- mystic manipulation (planned spontaneity - events are orchestrated or attributed to group's power or omniscience )
- confession (confess past and present sins)
- self-sanctification through purity (pushing the individual towards a not-attainable perfection)
- aura of sacred science (beliefs of the group are sacrosanct and perfect)
- loaded language (new meanings to words, encouraging black-white thinking)
- doctrine over person (the group is more important than the individual)
- dispensed existence (insiders are saved, outsiders are doomed)
In his 1999 book Destroying the world to save it: Aum Shinrikyo, Apocalyptic Violence and the New Global Terrorism, he concluded, though, that thought reform was possible without violence or physical coercion.
Edgar Schein, who investigated similar programs in China concluded in
his book Coercive Persuasion that physical coercion was an important
feature of brainwashing.
Margaret Singer's conditions for mind control
Psychologist Margaret Singer, using the work of Lifton, described in her book Cults in our Midst six conditions, which would, she says, create an atmosphere where thought reform is possible. Singer sees no need for physical coercion or violence.- controlling a person's time and environment, leaving no time for thought
- creating a sense of powerlessness, fear and dependency
- manipulating rewards and punishments to suppress former social behaviour
- manipulating rewards and punishments to elicit the desired behaviour
- creating a closed system of logic which makes dissenters feel as if something was wrong with them
- keeping recruits unaware about any agenda to control or change them
Mind control as a combination of control over behavior, information, thought and emotions
According to Hassan, the BITE model dispenses with any required environment control, and its effects can be achieved when the control mechanisms create overall dependency and obedience to some leader or cause.
Social psychology tactics
A contemporary view of mind control sees it as an intensified and persistent use of well researched social psychology principles like compliance, conformity, persuasion, dissonance, reactance, framing or emotional manipulation.
I conceive of mind control as a phenomena encompassing all the ways in which personal, social and institutional forces are exerted to induce compliance, conformity, belief, attitude, and value change in others."Mind control is the process by which individual or collective freedom of choice and action is compromised by agents or agencies that modify or distort perception, motivation, affect, cognition and/or behavioral outcomes. It is neither magical nor mystical, but a process that involves a set of basic social psychological principles."
[/li][/li][/list][/list]In Influence, Science and Practice, social psychology researcher Robert Cialdini shows how mind control is possible through the covert exploitation of the unconscious rules that underlie and facilitate healthy human social interactions.
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I guess it would depend on your definition of cult. I think it is likely that Hyde will fall apart after Joe. There are the social mechanisms of cult: isolation, dependence, absolute moral authority, in crowd argot , the insider vs outsider ethos. That is enough for me.
No it is not Scientology. No life long commitment financially, but to succeed you need to pledge life long devotion to, what ever the current jargon is, "charater centered" , "purpose driven" life.
I have no quarrel with you at all about the mechanisms you mention. But those are present in a wide range of applications. And, the essential ingredients for a cult -- the divinity, the life-long grip -- are absent.
I don't think the "divinity" piece is absent. It is a secular divinity like a Roman Mystery-Character cult. The community is united by the results of the communal benefits brought about by the character rituals. The divine is not a named deity, it is the "Greater Power" of charater
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I would concede that AA is a cult but it is beneficial.
To be fair, I have heard that this often depends on how rabid the contingent you have personal experience with is. This guy might not agree with you so handedly about the "beneficial" aspects...
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SOUR GRAPES (http://http://www.dangerthinice.org/aa%20articles.htm#Sour%20Grapes)
Jack Marx
Many years ago I became concerned enough about my drinking to attend a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous. From the moment I stepped out of the meeting and onto the street, I felt it had worked something of a miracle on me, the type of miracle the movement is famous for. Many years later, I stepped out of an AA meeting onto the exact same street, determined, as I am today, never to return. What happened in between is a drawn-out rendering of that day in my youth when I decided, after six violent hours of bruising bones and feeling like a loser, that there was no shame in admitting that riding a horse was not for me – especially when the horse itself was a thug.
AA, as a doctor once told me, is "an evangelical movement about saving souls". At its core it has a good heart – it wants to save people from their demons. But, as with the death penalty, McCarthyism, the Conquistadors and other such crusades against evil, the pious ambitions of AA make the movement blind to its own hooliganism. As disinterested in individuality as the SS, and unaccountable for its actions as the KKK, AA preaches, bullies and lies to achieve its ends, and it does so with all the righteous impunity of a secret sect. Unlike other religious cults, however, AA's victims are those who escape from its grip and return to society, their brains so laundered by fundamentalist claptrap that a glass of beer can take on the menace of a loaded pistol. That I eluded such a fate myself is thanks to nothing but sheer good luck – those not as fortunate as I can't tell us about it, their stools at the bars and chairs in AA inhabited by new people entirely disinterested in tales of the dead ones who went before them.
AA began in 1935 when New York stockbroker Bill Wilson and proctologist Bob Smith agreed to hand over responsibility for their sobriety to each other. Their personal triumph over booze was documented in The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous (1939), still worshiped by the fellowship as the Islamite does the Koran. Six decades later and the basic principles of AA haven't changed at all; go to meetings as often as you can, follow the "12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous" and you'll get sober.
Before I stepped into AA I was in undoubtedly in strife. I'd become a slave to booze and was drinking against my will. I'd wake each morning and plead with myself not to do it again, the afternoon finding me with a beer in my hand, as if the morning and all its thoughts had been a mere dream between drinks. One half of my life was out of control, and AA was the only door I knew. It didn't occur to me that I might benefit from visiting a doctor, an error that grinds at me to this day.
At my first AA meeting I was asked to "share", to stand in front of the crowd, declare myself an alcoholic and tell my own pathetic tale. This I did, squirting a few as I went, and the evening ended like a scene straight out of Fight Club, with warm embraces and encouraging words. From a distance, it's easy to be cynical about such stuff, but after so long of feeling like I harboured an embarrassing secret, to be welcomed not in spite of that secret but because of it was a relief one really has to experience to fully appreciate. That I remained completely sober for the next ten months is testament to the power of the moment.
I learned a lot from AA in that first year. I learned that alcoholism was not just lousy behaviour, but "a disease", recognised as such by the World Health Organization. I learned that most of my friends were alcoholics and didn't know it. I learned that AA, with a success rate of over 70 per cent, was the only proven way to stay sober, that the medical profession knew next to nothing about alcoholism, and that there were no drugs invented that could help us. I learned that drinking in moderation was impossible for me, and that willpower was useless, the "disease of alcoholism" born of spiritual delinquency. My salvation could only come from a radical transformation of my personality, which would occur once I had ascended the 12 Steps and "handed my will over to God".
Most importantly, I learned that any doubts I had about any of this – any reservations I may have harboured about whether I really belonged in AA – were naught but symptoms of the disease. "Denial", they called it, and alcoholics were always in it. My great uncle stopped drinking of his own free will the day he was married and never touched another drop. He, AA revealed to me, was a "dry drunk", "in denial" of his need for AA till the day the old sucker died. And to think I worshiped him once upon a time…
Looking back, I can see that I had problems with AA right from the first meeting – a lot of what I was hearing struck me as good old-fashioned, five-star bigotry. But I was sick, nervous and worried, and when you're hanging from the edge of a building you don't care if it's Hitler who extends his hand. You'll do him the courtesy of listening to his horseshit if it means he's not going to let go.
So that's what I did for nearly five years. I tried, as members often advised me, to "take what you need and leave the rest". I turned a deaf ear to the daggy desk-calendar wisdom, the smarmy new-age sloganeering, the rogue hard-liners who'd corner you outside the meeting and tick you off for not attending regularly enough. Like many other "recoverers", I relapsed and relapsed again, returning each time to AA more desperate and confused than before. And I noticed something else, too; my drinking mind had become suicidal. Where once I had woken each morning with a hangover the size of Belgium and little else besides, I was now waking with a sense of complete hopelessness and unsalvageable remorse, the words of the Big Book in my head:
"Those who do not recover are…men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates…they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average."
And, of course, there was this "God" business, the central creed of AA that says I must, whether I like it or not, have faith in a "higher power". The fellowship went to pains to assure me that this deity need simply be "God as you understand him", a force I recognised to be greater than my own. As one member suggested, "God for you can be the bus that goes past the bottle shop without stopping", and for a while I took that on board. But after a few months of praying to public transport I feared I was developing problems that not even AA could fix.
One night, the duplicity of AA became impossible for me to ignore any longer. A 30-something fellow got up and told of how he kept bumping into his old drinking buddies. "I see them in the street," he said, "with their cool clothes and their fancy cars and their spunky girlfriends on their arms, and I think to myself, 'Yeah, yeah…see you in AA!'"
As this utterance stirred howls of self-satisfied laughter from the brethren, I realised what a blind delusion AA was after all. Here we were in some miserable scout hall at 8pm on a Friday night, dipping stale shortbread into styrene cups of International Roast, listening to bore after bore and their monotonous drinking stories, and we were 'the enlightened', we were the champions. What utter rot. In a city swinging with music and dancing and laughter and boys and girls falling in love, we were the big losers, and anyone who didn't realise that was in denial alright.
I began to question my involvement with this crowd, and in the next year or so, with naught but a telephone and the library to guide me, I did a little research into where I'd been spending my evenings.
Alcoholism is not a disease, and the World Health Organisation has never declared that it is. The "disease concept of alcoholism" was popularised by E.M. Jellinek, a doctor of questionable credentials who was hired by AA in the 1940s to tell the world what the fellowship wanted it to hear. AA's success was nowhere near 70 per cent, the most reliable figures (from the 1989 Triennial Alcoholics Anonymous Membership Survey, in fact) showed that only five per cent of members remained in the fellowship beyond one year, and what happened to the rest was anyone's guess. I learned that medical science had discovered a great deal about addiction since the 1930s, and that had I gone to a doctor instead of AA all those years ago, I might have been prescribed Campral, or Antabuse, or Naltrexone, drugs that enjoy moderate levels of success in treating problem drinkers – levels of success that AA could only dream about.
But why would AA lie? How could a non-profit organization, whose sole purpose was to help people, do society - not to mention its own membership - the disservice of defrauding it?
The answer is that there is no organization in AA at all. There is no visible hierarchy to be consulted, or called to account, or induced to control the preachings of its membership. There is a central committee out there somewhere, renting the halls and buying the shortbread and coffee, but for all intents and purposes AA is its membership, the sick people who come for relief. It's a nifty, egalitarian idea and one of which AA is very proud, but no clearer example of the lunatics running the asylum can be found in modern western culture. When one staggers into AA, weak, impressionable and desperately in need of help, one's liberators come not as dependable professionals, but as fellow sufferers who, by their very own definition, are spiritually damaged and morally irresponsible, their lives hostage to "a disease" over which they have no control. And I know through my own experience that it is not the well-adjusted members who pounce upon the new AA enrolments, but the zealots, whose lives drained like baths when they pulled the plug on their drinking. It is they who seek validation from the conversion of the 'unenlightened'.
For these people – the loudest revellers at the AA party – alcohol is the most important thing in the universe, even more crucial to existence than it ever was in the bars. Every aspect of life, be it romance, career, even your own children, must take second place to your relationship with booze. How you are coping with that relationship is paramount, and is the only thing the fellowship wants to hear about. In essence, AA is like a gathering of stalkers – while someone else is out there happily married to Martini, this flock of rejects is rocking back and forward in their chairs, obsessing about how hung up on the bitch they've been for years.
AA works for some people, but it doesn't work for most. That's fine. Where it becomes almost criminal is in the fellowship's dogmatic insistence that those for whom it does not work are losers in the face of God. Exactly how many poor, desperate souls have ended their lives with a head full of AA bogeymen we will never know.
My ultimate salvation came at the hands of another human being – a girl I fell in love with, who decided I was worth marrying, for some reason. It was a lucky break, and one that AA warned I should never, ever accept. It's just transferring the problem, they say, and should that girl ever go I'll just fall back into the arms of alcoholism again. It's just the sort of lifeless, loveless spite you'd expect from a crowd who were happy to fill their evenings with talk of something they can never do. One might just as well say I should never have bothered being born, for one day I will surely lose this beautiful life of mine, and then what am I going to do?
I still drink from time to time, though it no longer dominates my life. Having a home and a family who loves me was, it seems, what I was searching for all along. Sometimes I'll go for weeks without a drink, and some nights I'll drink way too much. I still think about sex as if I'm a teenager, still avoid hard work where I can, still lie to protect myself and I get violent urges when I hear a song by Supertramp. But those things fall under the broad category of 'my personality', and for all its failings I've grown quite fond of it. And anyway, if I did want my personality changed – if that's what I were seeking rather than just control over alcohol – I wouldn't entrust the transformation to the thoughts of a Wall Street gambler and a man who peered up people's arseholes back in the '30s.
The last time I went to an AA meeting was years ago. Afterwards, outside the hall, a woman approached who recognised me from my first meeting of years before. She asked why she hadn't seen me in a while, and I replied that these days I had a wife and a little boy, "…a pretty full life".
She narrowed her eyes, took a drag of her cigarette, blew a cloud of smoke into the air and muttered darkly:
"Maybe you should be concentrating more on your alcoholism."
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There is the cause, and devotion to the cause is like devotion to a religion. There are definitely religious overtones. A case in point is Mrs. Burroughs and her belief that "deep down you [offtrack students] are awful people." The goal of the cause is a complete remake of one's moral character, as in any religion. And, there are positive injunctions ("the principles"): courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, concern: the five commandments if you will. And there are negative injunctions ("the rules"): all the don't dos. People embrace these principles with religious conviction. (Never mind that in doing so as Hyde requires they violate them.) The five principles (chosen at random; they could just as well have been family, fatherland, and property, or what have you) are what gives focus to this religious conversion, what it crystallizes around. But I think this cause is supposed to be greater than any personality. And I think this cause is institutionally designed to be enforced and to survive independently of any personality.
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And I think this cause is institutionally designed to be enforced and to survive independently of any personality.
National Commitment: An obedient citizenry that conforms -- with but minor questioning -- to Administrations of corporate greed and political/economic consolidation of the few.
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AA [Hyde] works for some people, but it doesn't work for most. That's fine. Where it becomes almost criminal is in the fellowship's [school's] dogmatic insistence that those for whom it does not work are losers in the face of God. Exactly how many poor, desperate souls have ended their lives with a head full of AA [Hyde] bogeymen we will never know.
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Most importantly, I learned that any doubts I had about any of this[Hyde] – any reservations I may have harboured about whether I really belonged in AA [at Hyde]– were naught but symptoms of the disease. "Denial", they called it,[What did they call it when you were not on the program?]
The one thing I would quibble with is the notion that AA is boring. One of he funniest night I had in my life was with Nina Carbone at the Brunswick AA meeting. It was a speaker meeting. There was a guy there that was telling stories about how he dresses up like a bishop with the pointy hat and the crozier and when out bar hopping in Portland. It was hilarious. That was the exception. Most of the stuff is sad bastard stories about beating the wife and puking on bed.
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AA [Hyde] works for some people, but it doesn't work for most. That's fine. Where it becomes almost criminal is in the fellowship's [school's] dogmatic insistence that those for whom it does not work are losers in the face of God. Exactly how many poor, desperate souls have ended their lives with a head full of AA [Hyde] bogeymen we will never know.
Yet we must humbly reflect that Alcoholics Anonymous has so far made only a scratch upon the total problem of alcoholism. Here in the United States, we have helped to sober up scarcely
five per cent of the total alcoholic population of 4,500,000.(N.Y. Med. Society on Alcoholism, 1958)
http://www.voai.org/Success%20Rate.htm (http://www.voai.org/Success%20Rate.htm)[/list]
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I think you have to take those number with a grain of salt. !0% of the US population are alcoholics according to AA dogma. I asked my sibling if that has been involved in the program for over thirty years "Is Uncle George and Alki?
"Yes. He is just very controlled" It is like asking a Jehovah's Witness if non-believers are damned. AA has been a great help to my brother/sister and it has been a curse. Many people in the fellowship are chronic smokers and they enable each other. I was after him/her to quit for year. he has quit but has lost most of her / his lung capacity. That was one of the reasons I quit AA. I quit smoking and after about a year I could no longer abide the smell of cigarette.
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proorfreedin is not being too bery good all are mistakes being mine respiration to have. Your pardon will be mine if you grant it so please grant it to me, Better proorfreeder I am yours in the future to promise. Cross your heart.
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Here this should do the trick
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... yringe.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Combination_enema_and_douche_syringe.jpg)
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Like the cherry red, Ed, but boy, did that pic screw up the formating, lol! Think the horizontal max is 'bout 600 px, you can size it down if you use HTML instead of BBC...
Ya know ya got two nozzle options with that baby! :lol:
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And I think this cause is institutionally designed to be enforced and to survive independently of any personality.
National Commitment: An obedient citizenry that conforms -- with but minor questioning -- to Administrations of corporate greed and political/economic consolidation of the few.
Your description is of the status quo.
My science-fiction scenario of Hyde triumphant would be the reformation of the American high school into something part boot camp, part church. Academics would be a ghost of its former self. High school would be a persecuting society that cultivates unanimity of opinion among students, peers, and parents and wouldn't tolerate dissent. With the closure of the free market of ideas, there would be an overall dumbing down of the school community. Graduates would carry their mind set into business, politics, religion, etc. Civil war (with the disaffected elements) always on the horizon. Not a pretty picture.
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My picture was really more of an Orwellian scenario, scarier due to its believability and mundane, almost ordinary qualities, but I think we do not differ so much at the heart of each of these prospective depictions...
Really, I think it is going on right now, creeping ever more imperceptibly towards the Brave New World, and has been for some time. The national pulse is beating, beat by beat, into a long swing of a conservative, control-oriented society. Trends in education alone: No Child Left Behind (aka No Child Left Untested), Zero Tolerance (control the little buggers every chance you get), Character Education (only viewpoints deemed respectful of the status quo will be tolerated)... Taken to their extreme, which is not so far off, these trends do not bode for a vibrant, creative society, conducive to the furthering of new strides in progressive thought or tolerance for those different from ourselves.
That kind of world will suffocate itself, but not before it has made a lot of money for the conservative elite.
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My picture was really more of an Orwellian scenario, scarier due to its believability and mundane, almost ordinary qualities, but I think we do not differ so much at the heart of each of these prospective depictions...
Really, I think it is going on right now, creeping ever more imperceptibly towards the Brave New World, and has been for some time. The national pulse is beating, beat by beat, into a long swing of a conservative, control-oriented society. Trends in education alone: No Child Left Behind (aka No Child Left Untested), Zero Tolerance (control the little buggers every chance you get), Character Education (only viewpoints deemed respectful of the status quo will be tolerated)... Taken to their extreme, which is not so far off, these trends do not bode for a vibrant, creative society, conducive to the furthering of new strides in progressive thought or tolerance for those different from ourselves.
That kind of world will suffocate itself, but not before it has made a lot of money for the conservative elite.
:nworthy: :nworthy: :tup: :tup: :tup: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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Here this should do the trick
why doncha undo the trick and resize?
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Here this should do the trick
why doncha undo the trick and resize?
I second the motion. I tried reading the AA article and lost patience.
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Hey ,
Sorry guys. I did not realize how big of a douche bag that was. It is almost as big as Joe Gauld!
Hugs
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Thanks, Ed! That previous version was a whopping 1500px! Very funny...
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hard-liners who'd corner you outside the meeting and tick you off for not attending regularly enough [being committed enough].
"I really question your commitment" He said to me that spring after noon. He was a lanky kind of effeminate boy from down the Maine coast. I was making a hail mary pass to get out of the shit house at Hyde in my final semester. He shot me down cold. We was in the Senior leadership crowd. I did not stand a chance. He did me a favor. I have heard some things about this now middle age man that cause me to question his commitment. I don't think he had a peaceful easy feeling when he found out what the real deal was. These thing are gone forever over a long time ago ... oh yeah. Just a little sour grapes. How soon hath Time, the subtle thief of youth Stol'n on his wing my sweet Hyde years.
Hey got to run to see Napoleon.
oblek sightations :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_Easy_Feeling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_Easy_Feeling)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Milton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Milton)
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There is the cause, and devotion to the cause is like devotion to a religion. There are definitely religious overtones. A case in point is Mrs. Burroughs and her belief that "deep down you [offtrack students] are awful people." The goal of the cause is a complete remake of one's moral character, as in any religion. And, there are positive injunctions ("the principles"): courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, concern: the five commandments if you will. And there are negative injunctions ("the rules"): all the don't dos. People embrace these principles with religious conviction. (Never mind that in doing so as Hyde requires they violate them.) The five principles (chosen at random; they could just as well have been family, fatherland, and property, or what have you) are what gives focus to this religious conversion, what it crystallizes around. But I think this cause is supposed to be greater than any personality. And I think this cause is institutionally designed to be enforced and to survive independently of any personality.
Damn straight it's fambly, fatherland, and property!! It's MY family, an' MY country, an' MY property! An' don' y'all miserable limp-wristed touchy-feely panty-waists fergit it!! I started off my all growed-up career in sales and in "making a lot of money and becoming 'successful.'" And I'm a true blue American; I never steered offa my original course. I jest expanded it to include rewiring kids' brains as part of my own personal "destiny." Hazelden done me well in more ways than the obvious, har har har!!
Salutin' to the Cause,
Joseph W. Gauld, The Educator
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I guess the good Mrs. Burroughs is now the Director of Admissions.
http://www.schools.com/directory/adv_se ... cfm?id=224 (http://www.schools.com/directory/adv_search/schooldetail.cfm?id=224)
http://www.hyde.edu[/url]
Hyde Schools, with campuses in Bath, Maine, and Woodstock, Connecticut, are independent, co-educational, college-preparatory boarding schools with an emphasis on character development. Serving students in grades 9-12, Hyde offers a fully integrated curriculum through which students have the opportunity to connect with the positive influences that will drive them toward reaching their fullest potential. All students participate in academics, athletics, performing arts, community service, and wilderness experiences. The program is rigorous, with 98% of students receiving college admittance.
School Details:
Religious Affiliation: None
Boarding Grades: 9-12, PG (Day: 9-12, PG)
Enrollment - Boys: 134 Girls: 64
Boarding: 196 Day: 2
Year Founded: 1966
Campus Size (acres): 145
Accredited by: AISNE
School Type:
Coeducational
Secondary
Programs Offered: (where checked)
ESL
Learning Differences
International Baccalaureate
Five-Day Boarding
ADD/ADHD
- AP Courses (4)
- Post Graduate Year
- Summer Sessions
Application Fees for 2007-2008
Domestic Fee: $100
International Fee: $100
Endowment Information
Current endowment: $8,500,000
Academics
Average class size: 12
Number of full time teachers: 26
Percentage of faculty with advanced degrees: 15%
Student/Teacher ratio: 7:1
Distinctive programs offered: Family Education
Advanced Placement Courses Offered:
Calculus AB
English Language
Physics B
US Government and Politics
US History
Interscholastic Athletic Programs:
Basketball
Crew
Cross-Country Running
Football
Lacrosse
Nordic Ski Racing
Soccer
Swimming
Tennis
Track and Field
Wrestling
Recreational Athletic Programs:
Camping
Canoeing/Kayaking
Dance
Hiking
Ice Climbing
Ice Skating
Mountain Biking
Outdoor Education
Rock Climbing
Sailing
Snowboarding
Ultimate Frisbee
Clubs and Organizations:
Community Service
Dorm Proctors
Habitat for Humanity
Honor Council
Jewish Student Organization
Outing Club
Peer Counseling
Peer Tutoring
Student Activities
Yearbook
Yoga
Arts & Music Programs (Extracurricular):
Dance
Rock Band
Tech Crew
Theater or Drama
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That post was for Bath. I guess Woodstock is a little different. Here's Woodstock:
http://www.schools.com/directory/adv_se ... cfm?id=628 (http://www.schools.com/directory/adv_search/schooldetail.cfm?id=628)
http://www.hyde.edu[/url]
Hyde Schools, with campuses in Bath, Maine, and Woodstock, Connecticut, are independent, co-educational, college-preparatory boarding schools with an emphasis on character development. Serving students in grades 9-12, Hyde offers a fully integrated curriculum through which students have the opportunity to connect with the positive influences that will drive them toward reaching their fullest potential. All students participate in academics, athletics, performing arts, community service, and wilderness experiences. The program is rigorous, with 98% of students receiving college admittance.
School Details:
Religious Affiliation: None
Boarding Grades: 9-12, PG (Day: 9-12, PG)
Enrollment - Boys: 111 Girls: 66
Boarding: 177 Day: 0
Year Founded: 1996
Campus Size (acres): 120
Accredited by: NEASC
School Type:
Coeducational
Secondary
Programs Offered: (where checked)
ESL
Learning Differences
International Baccalaureate
Five-Day Boarding
ADD/ADHD
- AP Courses (7)
- Post Graduate Year
- Summer Sessions
Application Fees for 2007-2008
Domestic Fee: $100
International Fee: $100
Academics
Average class size: 12
Number of full time teachers: 28
Percentage of faculty with advanced degrees: 32%
Student/Teacher ratio: 6:1
Distinctive programs offered:
College Placement
Percentage of graduates who attend college: 98%
Top college/university choices:
1. Boston University
2. Bates College
3. Gettysburg College
4. University of Vermont
5. Wheaton College
Advanced Placement Courses Offered:
Calculus AB
English Literature
Environmental Science
French Language
Spanish Language
US History
Interscholastic Athletic Programs:
Basketball
Cross-Country Running
Football
Horseback Riding
Ice Hockey
Lacrosse
Martial Arts
Soccer
Tennis
Track and Field
Wrestling
Clubs and Organizations:
Dorm Proctors
Horseback Riding
Student Activities
Yearbook
Arts & Music Programs (Extracurricular):
Dance
Drama Club
Theater or Drama
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Hyde is great, Hyde is good.
The girls at Hyde harden my wood.
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I get harder then a Chinese Elm
when I dream of the sweet Mama at the helm.
But some times I dream of those sweet Hyde boys.
Bending them over was such a joy.
There are many choices when you choose to ride,
bareback or safe: you can get them all at Hyde.
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Here's something that may or may not mean anything: different accreditation sources attributed to Bath vs. Woodstock?
First, I checked for Bath, ostensibly accredited by AISNE (http://http://www.aisne.org/). I checked on AISNE's website, no mention of Hyde School, neither campus. That, in and of itself, does not necessarily mean anything since, at least for AISNE, Membership is open to any elementary or secondary school which is not-for-profit, nondiscriminatory, governed by a board of directors, and fiscally sound. Potential new members must have been, or be willing to be, accredited through AISNE (elementary schools only) or the New England Association of Schools and Colleges (all schools).
http://www.aisne.org/member_services/ab ... t=overview (http://www.aisne.org/member_services/about_us/about_us.asp?about=overview)[/list]In other words: Hyde, being a secondary school, really needs to be accredited by NEASC in order to qualify for accreditation by AISNE.
Incidentally, AISNE is not exactly a very transparent organization. It would appear that they do not want to be contacted by the public. There are very few contact links on their website (and the few that there are, are first names only), and certainly no section designated as such. The BOD is hidden in a members only section, which requires a password to enter.
On to NEASC (http://http://www.neasc.org/), which is a whole different ballgame. This is a far more professional organization, with everyone's name, background, and contact details fully disclosed, usually multiple times throughout the website. Since NEASC covers not only elementary and secondary schools, but also specialty, international, and vocational schools in addition to colleges and universities, there are consequently a number of subsections. Hyde falls under the section termed CIS:- Accredits 255 degree-granting colleges, universities and other post-secondary institutions in New England through the Commission on Institutions of Higher Education (http://http://www.neasc.org/cihe/cihe.htm) (CIHE) and the Commission on Technical and Career Institutions (http://http://www.neasc.org/ctci/ctci.htm) (CTCI)
[li]Accredits more than 628 private, independent schools through the Commission on Independent Schools (http://http://www.neasc.org/cis/cis.htm) (CIS) - Accredits 652 public secondary schools through the Commission on Public Secondary Schools (http://http://www.neasc.org/cpss/cpss.htm) (CPSS)
- Accredits approximately 157 public elementary and middle schools through the Commission on Public Elementary and Middle Schools (http://http://www.neasc.org/cpes/cpes.htm) (CPEMS)
- Accredits 88 vocational-technical schools through the Commission on Technical and Career Institutions (http://http://www.neasc.org/ctci/ctci.htm) (CTCI)
- Accredits 153 American/International schools in 65 nations through the Commission on American and International Schools Abroad (http://http://www.neasc.org/caisa/caisa.htm) (CAISA)
- Serves as a clearinghouse for the public and its policy makers
http://www.neasc.org/neasc/aboutneasc.htm (http://www.neasc.org/neasc/aboutneasc.htm)[/li][/list]
According to NEASC, Hyde-Bath was first accredited in 1970, and was last reviewed in 2000.
http://www.neasc.org/roster/mea.htm (http://www.neasc.org/roster/mea.htm)
Hyde-Woodstock was first accredited in 2002, and has not be reviewed yet.
http://www.neasc.org/roster/cta.htm (http://www.neasc.org/roster/cta.htm)
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According to NEASC, Hyde-Bath was first accredited in 1970, and was last reviewed in 2000.
http://www.neasc.org/roster/mea.htm (http://www.neasc.org/roster/mea.htm)
Hyde-Woodstock was first accredited in 2002, and has not be reviewed yet.
http://www.neasc.org/roster/cta.htm (http://www.neasc.org/roster/cta.htm)
Is NEASC an organization that students or parents could complain to?
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According to NEASC, Hyde-Bath was first accredited in 1970, and was last reviewed in 2000.
http://www.neasc.org/roster/mea.htm (http://www.neasc.org/roster/mea.htm)
Hyde-Woodstock was first accredited in 2002, and has not be reviewed yet.
http://www.neasc.org/roster/cta.htm (http://www.neasc.org/roster/cta.htm)
Is NEASC an organization that students or parents could complain to?
HMmmm... that's a tough one, IMO. On the one hand, NEASC's primary focus appears to be on ensuring that some minimal standard is met re. the academics. On the other hand, if they receive enough complaints, or complaints of an egregious enough nature, I imagine that some sort of an investigation would be in order.
NEASC appears to be sufficiently large that cronyism should be mitigated. I say this because it certainly appears as though Hyde School has taken steps to insinuate itself into the hierarchy of these types of organizations. Take a look at Mal's resume/profile posted in one of the entries on ZoomInfo:Malcolm Gauld
President of The Hyde Schools, Malcolm Gauld oversees Hyde's two boarding campuses (Bath, ME and Woodstock, CT) and several public school initiatives, including The Hyde Leadership Public Charter School in Washington, D.C. (1999), a K-12 school serving 800 students, and Hyde-Bronx, a school that will open in New York City in September of 2006.
In 1999, Malcolm and his wife Laura established the Biggest Job® parenting workshops, a program they have presented to audiences of parents across the country. Their book, The Biggest Job We'll Ever Have - The Hyde School Program for Character-based Education and Parenting (Scribner) was published in March, 2002.
A Hyde graduate, Gauld received his B.A. at Bowdoin College and his Masters at Harvard University's Graduate School of Education. As a Visiting Head of School, he was a Klingenstein Fellow at Teachers College, Columbia University.
He began his professional career at Trinity-Pawling School (NY), where he was a teacher, coach and dormitory supervisor. During the past twenty-five years he has served in many roles at Hyde - history teacher, coach of championship teams in four different sports, administrator - including twelve years as headmaster at Hyde's flagship Bath, Maine campus (1978-98). From 1995-98 Gauld served as president of the Independent Schools Association of Northern New England, an organization of more than 50 schools in Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. In 1998, Gauld became president and CEO of the Hyde organization.
A life-long athlete, Gauld plays lacrosse and basketball, is a marathon runner, and an avid surfer. He is passionate about music, especially rock, jazz and blues. He and Laura, married 22 years, make their home in Bath, Maine with their three children: Mahalia, Scout, and Harrison.
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDe ... D=12201275 (http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=12201275)[/list]
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Unlike NEASC, or even AISNE (for elementary schools only), ISANNE (http://http://www.isanne.org/) does not accord accreditation. Rather, it is an organization that promotes the interests and concerns of its member schools.Membership to the Independent Schools Association of Northern New England is open to any secondary or elementary independent school in Maine, New Hampshire, or Vermont and is conditional upon being accredited by the New England Association of Schools and Colleges (NEASC) or by being a member of the National Association of Independent Schools (NAIS). *
http://www.isanne.org/about/school/ (http://www.isanne.org/about/school/)
3.2 Its Core Values – Professional Support – the Corporation's primary objective is to provide professional support to school heads and all school leadership dedicated to the future vitality of Northern New England independent schools...
http://www.isanne.org/about/laws/ (http://www.isanne.org/about/laws/) [/list]
The seeding of ISANNE's ranks with Hyde School personnel goes beyond Malcolm's serving as its president from 1995-98. Laurie Hurd is currently on its Board of Directors. I have no idea who has been involved during the interim.BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Tom Lovett | St. Johnsbury Academy
William Cooper | Wolfeboro Camp School
Douglas Cummings | ISANNE
John King | Hebron Academny
James Clements | Tilton School
Laurie Hurd | The Hyde School
Brian Morgan | White Mountain School
Daniel Lee, Jr. | Fryeburg Academy
Charles Scranton | Burr & Burton Academy
Richard Hilton | Lyndon Institute
Kent Bicknell | Sant Bani School
http://www.isanne.org/about/officers/ (http://www.isanne.org/about/officers/)[/list]
* Note: being a member of NAIS (http://http://www.nais.org/) "requires accreditation by an NAIS approved accrediting body."
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Woodstock and Bath are both members of NAIS, too.
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Some more muckings-about along these lines...
The following is primarily about John Dewey Academy (http://http://www.jda.org/) in Great Barrington, Massachusetts. First, some background, i.e., some other posts re. John Dewey Academy. The Search function here is still kinda loused up, so I haven't been able to find too many...i went to cedu john dewey academy and work in therapy now-
cedu sucked and john dewey destroyed what was left.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=298367#298367 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=298367#298367)
Hey, I was looking up criticisms of John Dewey Academy on the net, and very suprisingly i found almost none. This isn't to say that JDA is not a beneficial school for those who complete it, but my story as a very brief student there (a few years ago by now) was outright ridiculous. When my parents came down to help me out after I was having trouble in my second week, Mr. Bratter called my Mother a "stupid bitch" because she disagreed with his idea of making me wear an eight inch dildo around my neck, to signify that I was going to be raped if i ever left the school. Then i was also told that I would be selling myself out on the street to make a living as a 15 year old boy. Tom Bratter may have helped a lot of people out, and I don't deny it, but I just want people to have a better idea of the bullshit that he will pull when provoked (and i certainly did provoke it) By the way i was also threatened to go to Elan, and managed to convince my parents to turn back about 40 minutes from the entrance. Thank fucking God
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=43636#43636 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=43636#43636)
yeah, i was stouched by an angel instead of a fucking Mainer Heroin addict. Maine Sucks worse than a vietnamese jizz whore.
OH yeah, i forgot to mention this, Tom's desk drawer and the "leave at anytime policy is bullshit" i left and Tom called the cops on me, only to bring me back so he could tell me "think of me when you're getting raped" and then sent me to the police station.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=43769#43769 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=43769#43769)
have you ever heard of the john dewey school? It sounds alot like hyde. All the students "vote" on wether to accept you......weird
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=299441#299441 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=299441#299441)
Hey... my name's Josie and I went to John Dewey, ran away, then got sent to Elan. I graduated from Elan and then my mom sent me BACK to JDA. She said that she didn't want me to go home and fuck up again. Well, I ran away again. That place made no sense. It was like, we would have these groups and Tom would get in my face and tell me I wasn't getting to my issues, and I was like, "what issues? Please tell me what you're talking about it, and I'll do the best I can to work through them." Well, he never did. I just used to sit in groups and cry while he screamed at me for something, I have no idea what.
I called up Tania M crying, telling her it wasn't fair that I busted my ass at Elan and then I was back at that fucking place. It was nice, it was a castle, but there was something not right about it, you know? Did you ever go in the basement? It was an old slaughterhouse and there was a big hook hanging from the ceiling.
My first time through, I was in with the girl that ended up suing him for abuse. I don't think that she would have lied about it. Tom B was a creep from hell. I can't believe that he still runs that place. He should be locked up.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=76142#76142 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=76142#76142)[/list]
Next, this lil snippet from their website (http://http://www.jda.org/therapy.html) seems awfully familiar. Brother's Keeper, anyone?The concept of responsible concern is the quintessential value implicit in the social contract of the caring community. "Since I care, I promise to confront not only to prevent you from harming yourself or others, but also to help you to help yourself." Thus, we promote moral growth and development of both confronter and confronted.[/list]
And finally, the following news bit is from the StrugglingTeens site re. when John Dewey Academy was pushing to get accredited back in 1993... check out who was the chairman of the accreditation committee:
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http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... ews02.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/1993/10/news02.html)
Malcolm W. Gauld, Head of the Hyde School, served as the chairperson[/color]; Christopher Norris, Assistant Head of Proctor Academy, served as co-chair of this committee. Other members were John N. Buxton, Assistant Headmaster of St. Paul's School; Nancy Juliano, Foreign Language Department Head, The Ethel Walker School; C. Jay Readinger, Business Manager, Moses Brown School; and Joyce Wilson, Mathematics Department Head, Suffield Academy. The committee read a 1450 page report, interviewed students, faculty, and parents, observed classes, studied policies and student files before submitting a 28 page report which concluded, "The Visiting Committee departed Great Barrington inspired by what it saw and excited for the future of the School."
The John Dewey Academy not only has the smallest enrollment but also is the first proprietary school to receive accreditation from The New England Association of Schools and Colleges. The John Dewey Academy is a residential, twelve months, college preparatory, therapeutic high school which provides intensive educational and counseling for self-destructive, acting-out, gifted adolescents who possesses superior innate intellectual and creative potential. Some students had been hospitalized. Many arrive medicated, though none currently are.
Dr. Thomas Bratter, president, states, "The New England Association of Schools and Colleges has demonstrated its integrity and courage by approving this quality school because in view of my personal legal difficulties, the decision could have been delayed. Quite understandably the entire John Dewey Academy appreciates and is honored to become the newest accredited school by NEASC.
Copyright © 1993, Woodbury Reports, Inc. (This article may be reproduced without prior approval if the copyright notice and proper publication and author attribution accompanies the copy.)
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so much for:
NEASC appears to be sufficiently large that cronyism should be mitigated.
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so much for:
NEASC appears to be sufficiently large that cronyism should be mitigated.
YUP!!!! I am finding that the more I read about some of these accrediting organizations, the less credence I give to that rubber stamp... I guess "some minimal standard" must really mean minimal in some cases...
Here's something else I noticed about that aforementioned accreditation visit to John Dewey Academy... Again from the ST piece, colored emphasis mine:
Dr. Thomas Bratter, president, states, "The New England Association of Schools and Colleges has demonstrated its integrity and courage by approving this quality school because in view of my personal legal difficulties, the decision could have been delayed. Quite understandably the entire John Dewey Academy appreciates and is honored to become the newest accredited school by NEASC.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... ews02.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/1993/10/news02.html)[/list]
And just what, pray tell, might those personal legal difficulties have been? Might they perchance have something to do with the following?Who are you???? That you went to JDA?? I went there...ugh....
Were you there around the time...when Tom Bratter was getting acussed of molesting a girl in Scarsedale? I looked it up online to see if I could find any stories about it but I couldnt find it.
I remember, when I first met him with my mom, and heard he was being accused of those rape charges, I felt he was capable of those things, from thevibe I got from him....(If your a girl, you can get vibes from men by the way they look at you) ewwww.....
He used to plan outings, which involved going to his actual house!
What kind of owner at a theraputical boarding school, plans an all day event at his personal house? I remember we all went to his house, we had a huge bar-b-que, and me and like 2 girls and a couple of guys and Tom Bratter, sat in this huge jacuzzi/hot tob on his back porch...
Anyways--
what else can I say? Mike should call him up and say"Hey I was intrested in sending my daughter there, although I was a little concerned because I heard the owner(Tom Bratter) was acussed of molesting a girl at JDA....
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=44175#44175 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=44175#44175)
Hey... my name's Josie and I went to John Dewey, ran away, then got sent to Elan. I graduated from Elan and then my mom sent me BACK to JDA. She said that she didn't want me to go home and fuck up again. Well, I ran away again. That place made no sense...
My first time through, I was in with the girl that ended up suing him for abuse. I don't think that she would have lied about it. Tom B was a creep from hell. I can't believe that he still runs that place. He should be locked up.[/color]
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=76142#76142 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=76142#76142)[/list]
I imagine that Hyde School might be in a very good position to negotiate the sticky particulars re. circumstances involving sexual abuse charges. They certainly have enough experience at it! Must have something to do with all the great examples of character and good family values trotting around campus, eh?
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Hey, I never did update y'all on how Tom Bratter's sexual abuse charges panned out. I came across this material in another thread, so thought it perhaps best if I tied up the loose ends here as well.
Turns out he had another incident a few years after the above-mentioned one, both summarized below. This is from a September 14, 2004 article in the Boston Globe titled "Teacher in abuse suit defends actions," and which is actually about yet another case they had involving a different teacher/therapist. The material about Bratter presumably provided some context towards the end. That full article re-posted HERE (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25572&p=317914#p317914).
...The suit has also cast a spotlight on Bratter, who has been accused in the past of having inappropriate sexual contact with two female students.
In 1995, Bratter pleaded no contest in Connecticut to a state charge of second-degree unlawful restraint, which involved his relationship with a 17-year-old girl. As part of a plea agreement, he received a suspended one-year sentence and was required to perform 500 hours of community service and donate $50,000 to a charity that helped victims of crime or abuse. The father of the girl later filed a civil suit against Bratter, which was settled out of court.
After being charged with indecent assault and battery on a 17-year-old girl in 1999 in Great Barrington, Bratter pleaded guilty to assault and battery in June 2002. He was placed on probation and ordered not to have unsupervised contact with girls under 18...[/list]
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It would appear that the righteous Mr. and Mrs. Burroughs will soon be returning to the Green Mountain State:
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The Burlington Free Press
Movers and shapers in the news (http://http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20090330/BUSINESS/903300307/1003)
March 30, 2009
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• St. Johnsbury Academy has named Jeffrey S. Burroughs, a former Vermont resident now serving as director of Curriculum and Instruction at the Hyde School in Bath, Maine, as the academy's new assistant headmaster for academics, beginning July 1. A graduate of Champlain Valley Union High School, Burroughs grew up in Williston, and was awarded a bachelor's degree from Clarkson University and a master's degree from the University of Vermont, both in the engineering field.
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He is really not so bad which explains why he got passed over for the Head of School @ Bath. Good for him. There are some sensible down to earth folks up in the Northeast Kingdom. A couple of high plain Vermont winters at St J will beat the Hyde out of him and he will be as good as new.
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St Johnsbury Academy selects new assistant headmaster
Academy Headmaster Tom Lovett has announced that Jeffrey S Burroughs, a former Vermont resident now serving as Director of Curriculum and Instruction at the Hyde School in Bath, ME, has been selected as St Johnsbury Academy's new Assistant Headmaster for Academics, effective July 1. Burroughs will replace Judith Kelley, who will be leaving the post at the end of this school year to take a sabbatical year. A graduate of Champlain Valley Union High School, Burroughs grew up in Williston, and was awarded a Bachelor of Science degree in Electrical Engineering from Clarkson University, in Potsdam, New York, in 1989, and a Master of Science in Electrical Engineering from the University of Vermont in 1991.
Burroughs brings a wide variety of both education and corporate experience to the Academy post. As Hyde's Director of Curriculum and Instruction, he was responsible for creating and maintaining all aspects of the independent boarding school's academic environment, including developing and instituting a multifaceted leadership program, overseeing teacher hiring, training and assessment, and curriculum development and scheduling.
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