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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Ursus on September 11, 2007, 11:44:53 PM
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(http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OoKUBp_tAk)
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parent: is anybody really happy about being here?
student: no.
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how do you enbedded the videos in the post?
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Where are the mini-skirts? Kids like to dress outlandishly at that age. Why is everyone so frumpy and preppy? It is seems almost frigid.
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Where are the mini-skirts? Kids like to dress outlandishly at that age. Why is everyone so frumpy and preppy? It is seems almost frigid.
theyre afraid of advertising what already goes on at that place;
maybe thyre afraid mister ed will return!
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This is a masterpiece! Perfectly captures that sense of dread I felt walking up to the mansion for seminars, classes etc. I remember the hill being longer, though. Campus looks good--they must be spending big $$. Wasn't the student union -- purple??
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This is a masterpiece! Perfectly captures that sense of dread I felt walking up to the mansion for seminars, classes etc. I remember the hill being longer, though. Campus looks good--they must be spending big $$. Wasn't the student union -- purple??
Yeah, I totally agree about the dread. I actually watched it 3-4 times last night. Instead of getting less potent for me, it actually got more so. Maybe it was that glass of Portugese rotgut I was drinking. By the third time, there were tears coming out of my eyes, remembering the horror, the dread, the hopeless desperation of trying to live your life according to those absolutes, and never quite making it up to their standards.
In retrospect, it is quite clear, that for the most part, they never met those standards either, and that most of the kids probably had morals and so-called character far in excess of the faculty's!
Moreover, they were absolutely BLIND to the inner struggles we had; they were so busy applying the one size fits all strategy that they didn't even bother to find out who we actually were. Why should they bother? It's not like they had time, let alone energy after all those emotionally draining seminars, and school meetings, the constant evaluations in class, in sports, performing arts, even in the dorms... And anyway, it was supposed to work one size fits all cuz these were inherent truths that applied to the whole of the human race. Or so Joe said.
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how do you enbedded the videos in the post?
Sorry I neglected this 'till now. I knew there was something I was forgetting...
YouTube, and I think Google as well, provide the whole code for embedding in one of those little boxes inside that larger box on the right hand side with the clip particulars in it. You just copy and paste that whole thing onto your post in one piece (it's large and will wrap around several lines). If you want to check to make sure you got it all and that it works, hit 'preview' instead of 'submit' and your post will show up above your editing box with the all the code taking effect as if it had been posted. You can then scroll back down and edit as many times as need be and preview as many times as need be until you're happy with it and then 'submit.'
Also, if you want to check to see what that kind of code generally looks like, go to a post that has an embedded clip and hit 'quote reply.' That post will then be dumped into your editing box in its entirety, with all coded items written out in code form. Just hit your browser back button or one of the forum links to get out of posting unless that's what you really want.
BTW, you don't need to spell out the Captchas each time you 'preview.' You probably already know that, not to mention about 90% of the above, but I just told you anyway cuz I'm a little OCD.
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there were tears coming out of my eyes, remembering the horror, the dread, the hopeless desperation of trying to live your life according to those absolutes, and never quite making it up to their standards
I have walked it a many of times since my departure in '77. I used to take the kids to hermit's island. I would stop in and walk around. I have gone to some official functions. Had some chats. A couple of brief ones with Joe. I had breakfast with Joe one morning. That man either has a drinking problem or Parkinson's. Watching him try to get the scrambled eggs into his mouth was a trip. But yeah the place leaves an indelible mark on your life. For some people like me it is a mixed bag. I really fell into a funny nitch when I was there. I never had any allusions that my character was growing. Some one shared with me the senior vote process and how they we voted off the island. This is some beside Mike. How fucked is that? I mean really? I don't have the time to describe the hypocrisies that went on in that room. Two weeks later I was smoking dope in a house in Waterville with half the guys in that room that were passing judgment on character. And one of those fuckers stole my brother's army field jacket that he wore in the Cambodia invasion with the 7/17 cav. Character my ass.
I never fit in with the leadership crowd, I was never a jock and no one , thank God, no one on the faculty ever took an interest in me so no one ever fucked with my head the way some kids got their heads fucked with. I was not the best looking piece of queer bait so my ass emerged in its virginal state too.
Joe and Ed are reoccurring stock characters in my dreams. But thanks to RSE I now live in a reality where they are both my towel boys. Just kidding about the RSE part.
But back to the point, yeah I have stood in the room where Jim Searles, Paul Hurd and Sabina's boy friend (Bob) did my interview, tag team. Three men against one scrawny confused boy. They were tough guys. It gets some stuff churning inside you. 30 years later I have it beat. I can make Joe melt in my dreams and Ed is a clown figure kind of like the rooster in Merry Melodies Cartoons. "Boy listen when I am talking at ya"
The thing that I find disturbing is that after all these years it seems to be the same shit, same shovel, same lack of self examination same lack of honesty. What was it that Jesus said "if you are dishonest in small things, you will be dishonest in the large?" Well if they have to dissemble about a reunion weekend what are they going to do when the chips are down?
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BTW folks, this is completely cute and innocent "tour" with absolutely nothing untoward or negative about this school in here. I hope no one gets in trouble for it. Seems benign.
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BTW folks, this is completely cute and innocent "tour" with absolutely nothing untoward or negative about this school in here. I hope no one gets in trouble for it. Seems benign.
He posted this about 4 weeks ago. In another clip, which I am about to post, he mentions getting out of that "prison" in about 2 days. It would seem that he is free and clear now.
Nice to know though, that people care 'bout folks getting the grill and being put on work-crew and what-not...
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Some one shared with me the senior vote process and how they we voted off the island. This is some beside Mike. How fucked is that? I mean really? I don't have the time to describe the hypocrisies that went on in that room. Two weeks later I was smoking dope in a house in Waterville with half the guys in that room that were passing judgment on character. And one of those fuckers stole my brother's army field jacket that he wore in the Cambodia invasion with the 7/17 cav. Character my ass.
It's almost as they have some secret society - the have-characters - and the rest of the population are the have-no-characters, with the former being, of course, the ones in power and the chosen ones who will be in power someday. The latter are the cattle that are farmed to finance the whole operation, namely, to support the lifestyle of the have-characters. Some of the cattle become oxen, laboring away to support the cause, all the brunt, odious work that never gets appreciated by anyone; some cattle are milked to the bone, giving 'till it hurts, taking out a second mortage on the house to pay for their kids "education," donating all their time and energy holding the parents' teas and alumni fundraisers; and some cattle are slaughtered for their flesh, psychological carnage along the way, the kids who become lifelong celibates, the kids who are drawn to resume that former "order" by seeking solace in cults or controlling relationships, the suicides years afterwards cuz they just can't cope anymore... namely, the veal.
I am sure this scenario is in some science fiction movie somewhere, and if it isn't, it sure as hell should be.
I am very sorry to hear about your jacket, "Guest." That is some poignant pain. Those spineless assholes. I think you have many a story to tell; I've greatly enjoyed them all.
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Okay, so here's the aforepromised clip. He lived in the New Dorm. In my day, one side was for boys, and the other was for girls. That changed as more girls enrolled. Then all the girls got moved to the OutHouse, which used to be for boys. I think the OutHouse held just a bit more than one side of the New Dorm did. Musical chairs, everyone...
Boy does it look run-down from when I remember it. But I sure as hell do remember that oh-so-depressing set up with the god-awful lounge in the front, the bathroom right behind, the painted cinderblock walls, and the portion of hallway accessing the rooms being 'bout 5-6 steps up from the lounge/bathroom level on either side (important when the bathroom floods). There were also a couple of students' rooms upstairs right behind the faculty apartment which was plonked right on top of the whole shebang. As I recall, that was where the rape of SF got started.
Did/do the other dorms really look like hotels? Not the rooms in the mansion; do students still even live in those? Also not the carriage house. That looked like a horse shed painted white; it was small, had mildew in the walls, and was falling apart. But at least it was small, less people. I get a little panicky inside, living with too many people. Maybe that's from Hyde. You could never get away from potential confrontations about your sucky attitude...
Hyde New Dorm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYqdgBYIBpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYqdgBYIBpc)
"Despite it being called New Dorm, this dorm was the first built on campus. While all the other ones look like hotels, this one reminds me of a prison. This is a tour of it."
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The thing that I find disturbing is that after all these years it seems to be the same shit, same shovel, same lack of self examination same lack of honesty. What was it that Jesus said "if you are dishonest in small things, you will be dishonest in the large?"
Hey, Bible guy, wasn't it Ezekiel who said snow is like sin? Analyze that.
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What struck me about those dorms was the silent sterility. There was no noise and except for the lame graffiti wall no sign that teenagers lived there. no posters on the walls or sporting gear lying around. No signs at all of any horseplay. Creepy
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The thing that I find disturbing is that after all these years it seems to be the same shit, same shovel, same lack of self examination same lack of honesty. What was it that Jesus said "if you are dishonest in small things, you will be dishonest in the large?"
Hey, Bible guy, wasn't it Ezekiel who said snow is like sin? Analyze that.
I have read parts of Ezekiel. I don't remember that quote. Ezekiel , I think the first chapter is the base for one of my favorite Garcia Hunter songs:
The wheel is turning
and you can't slow down
You can't let go
and you can't hold on
You can't go back
and you can't stand still
If the thunder don't get you
then the lightning will
Won't you try just a little bit harder?
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
Won't you try just a little bit harder?
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
Round round robin run around
Gotta get back where you belong
Little bit harder, just a little bit more
Little bit farther than you than you've gone before
The wheel is turning
and you can't slow down
You can't let go
and you can't hold on
You can't go back
and you can't stand still
If the thunder don't get you
then the lightning will
Small wheel turn by the fire and rod
Big wheel turn by the grace of God
Everytime that wheel turn round
bound to cover just a little more ground
The wheel is turning
and you can't slow down
You can't let go
and you can't hold on
You can't go back
and you can't stand still
If the thunder don't get you
then the lightning will
Won't you try just a little bit harder
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
Won't you try just a little bit harder?
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
http://arts.ucsc.edu/GDEAD/AGDL/wheel.html (http://arts.ucsc.edu/GDEAD/AGDL/wheel.html)
Which also makes vague references to the karmic wheel, so is like my Christian Faith: Universalism or as the byrds put it "Jesus is just all right with me" one God with many faces, misunderstood in a as many ways as there are people that seek him.
peoplehttp://lyricsplayground.com/alpha ... ight.shtml (http://peoplehttp://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/j/jesusisjustalright.shtml)
You got chapter and verse I will pursue it. I am not a bible scholar.
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BTW folks, this is completely cute and innocent "tour" with absolutely nothing untoward or negative about this school in here. I hope no one gets in trouble for it. Seems benign.
No there is nothing overtly negative. There are a couple of subtle jabs that would be typical of rye New England humor. I am guessing this is summer school and I am guessing he did not go back.
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What struck me about those dorms was the silent sterility. There was no noise and except for the lame graffiti wall no sign that teenagers lived there. no posters on the walls or sporting gear lying around. No signs at all of any horseplay. Creepy
Lame graffiti: "Hyde School" on one wall, and what was it -- "New Dorm" on the other? I guess they figure that by allowing those words, that should suffice as enough of an outlet for kids' creative destructive instincts to be vented... I think it may well have been some group project, well-controlled and channeled by the school. Kind of oxymoronic when you think of what Graffiti is all about.
I wonder when they started to allow anything to be painted on those walls; I remember them being plain plain plain. Kind of beige in color. Just like they still are now, save the splashes of so-called "self-expression" in the lounge. If we wanted to put anything on the walls, like a poster, or a photo, we were required to buy that squishy white stuff from the bookstore and use that to mount them... they were SO worried 'bout any potential damage to the walls. And they would inspect them, to make sure that you were playing by the rules. When was room inspection, 6:45 AM or so? I can't remember. To this day, I am the worst ever at making my bed, let alone making it to those standards, ha ha. What am I saying, let alone making it at all, ha ha ha!! That squishy white stuff left oil stains on a couple of my photos, as I recall.
But the curtains, whoa! I don't remember curtains there, I thought those weren't allowed... those windows were always so cold, even in summer. That area is shadowed by the large deck for the faculty family above, so sun never came very near those windows...
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...that would be typical of rye New England humor
Speaking of WRY New England humor, would that be on pumpernickel, plain, or seeded? ;)
I'm not so sure about the summer school bit. The woman who approached him during the Campus Tour clip mentioned her nephew, who came back this year, and who wasn't too happy about it but who was, more or less, resigned to it according to his aunt. But I'm pretty sure about the not going back. This "collection" is a kind of last testament, so to speak.
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Okay, here's another one. I think he shot all these the same day, maybe over the course of 2 days. But he is definitely on his way out, and happy to be doing so.
I have to say, this fellow definitely has a flair for dialogue. Nice build up.
So... um...
This is my dorm...
This is my bed...
My desk...
Roommate's desk...
My crap...
His crap...
His bed...
His dresser...
My dresser...
Shitty-ass blue and yellow tile floors... (actually linoleum)
Crappy brick walls... (actually painted cinderblock)
Weird-ass drop ceiling...
And a mirror! (waves to reflection)
And... um... (pan stops on closed door of room)
(pause)
That's the door to hell.
We don't go through there.[/list]
'Hyde Dorm Room': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUenx3_D0YQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUenx3_D0YQ)
"This is what my dorm looked like after I rearranged the furniture."
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Okay, last one from this guy. I hope he finds us and realizes how much we appreciate his documentary efforts.
Are camo shorts, chucks, and Grateful Dead T-Shirts off-limits for student wear during the week these days?
'Hyde Introduction to Roommate and Friend': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1GkElhg5E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1GkElhg5E)
"This shows one is about my roommate, Mike Zavack, from the D.C. area. Hunter McGinty was also in the room, he's pretty cool."
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what was that meeting at the very end of the first video (the "campus tour" one), when the music stopped? was that a seminar or discovery group?
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what was that meeting at the very end of the first video (the "campus tour" one), when the music stopped? was that a seminar or discovery group?
Looks like it. Probably his last one. Anybody know for sure?
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Wow, watching all of these...crazy deja vu. I remember the Mansion and everything; everything looks pretty much exactly the same as it did when I was there from '02-'03... I felt like I was back. Oh God. And the music was perfect, haha.
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Are camo shorts, chucks, and Grateful Dead T-Shirts off-limits for student wear during the week these days?
Well, Ursus, yes, because as I recall about my time,
at Hyde in general but ESPECIALLY on 2-4, getting rid of your "image" was(and still is, I'd imagine) a big deal. You are not allowed to express yourself with clothing, or to be an individual in any way, basically. To do so is to project an "image", an image you clearly need to let go of. Of course, everyone has an image. It's part of your identity, part of your natural need to define and find yourself, especially as a teenager... But Hyde does not allow you to maintain your identity; it's seen as "off-track" in general, whether you're on 2-4 or not. And when you ARE on 2-4, at least, when I was...dress code was even crazier. No jewelery (or make-up) of any kind, no jeans, no chucks, certainly no band shirts, no dress shirts, no skirts, no clothing you feel good in, only plain sweats and plain t-shirts; you had to look like everyone else, essentially.
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Are camo shorts, chucks, and Grateful Dead T-Shirts off-limits for student wear during the week these days?
Well, Ursus, yes, because as I recall about my time,
at Hyde in general but ESPECIALLY on 2-4, getting rid of your "image" was(and still is, I'd imagine) a big deal. You are not allowed to express yourself with clothing, or to be an individual in any way, basically. To do so is to project an "image", an image you clearly need to let go of. Of course, everyone has an image. It's part of your identity, part of your natural need to define and find yourself, especially as a teenager... But Hyde does not allow you to maintain your identity; it's seen as "off-track" in general, whether you're on 2-4 or not. And when you ARE on 2-4, at least, when I was...dress code was even crazier. No jewelery (or make-up) of any kind, no jeans, no chucks, certainly no band shirts, no dress shirts, no skirts, no clothing you feel good in, only plain sweats and plain t-shirts; you had to look like everyone else, essentially.
We did have image restrictions as well. I guess I was/am innately kind of a boring dresser, so I don't recall running afoul of them too much myself. Perhaps my memory fails me a bit... I am just a bit surprised that Camo shorts or Converse sneakers fall into the category of disallowed material. They strike me as pretty tame.
I can remember a fellow with long hair and a headband. The headband went, and so did the hair. I also vaguely remember a gal whose mum sent her a shirt she had sewed up herself, for the gal's birthday. Gal wore it and caught a lot of grief for "trying to be different."
Creativity manifests itself in many ways. Makes you kinda wonder how the kids fare who take "Art" classes there... Can creativity survive within the narrow confines of the few "allowed" avenues of expression? What happens if you draw or paint something the school considers "too dark," or wrong subject matter, or "not within the confines of the assignment?"
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Silently Singing- I was there the year before you.
I was put on 'black restriction' Apparently overuse of one color of clothing is a no-no. I remember thinking it was absurd. I hated the dress code, and thought that I might make it easier on myself by ensuring that most, if not all, of my clothing matched. My desire to spend less time picking out clothing in the morning bit me in the ass. I did get away with wearing some funky stuff and to this day I wonder why I wasn't confronted about my funky colored fuax fur winter jacket.
Sam Warnick also told me I looked like a slut because I had sheer black stockings on with a skirt. I was given 7 minutes to run back to crappy ass deck house and to change into nude colored stockings instead, or I would get a 5-30.
I hated the no makeup on 2-4 thing. I also hated not being allowed to drink anything hot on 2-4. It's MAINE and it's cold in the morning!