Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2007, 12:46:06 PM
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Post by: Botched Programming on September 11, 2007, 03:54:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2007, 05:33:33 PM
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 11, 2007, 08:57:14 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
It's a kentucky phone number...........Ross fled with his boytoy, Dave McAdams to start another rape mill after they left the LIFE program. Call the muther fucker....let him know how ya "feel".
I remember Dave McAdams. He was an "executive staff" when I came in. Or maybe on the verge of 'senior' and 'exec'. Big, burly blond guy. Grizzly Adams type.
And I agree. Call him.
Post by: Woof-a-Doof on September 12, 2007, 07:42:15 PM
Even the name George Ross gives me the willies. Memories of George Ross tend to generate a tad more than the willies. From my point of view this is when (for me) Straight Inc, really began to go down hill and fast.
At first glance the Rational Thinking thing, kinda made sence, but then it was turned into a cartoonish gimmic. Ratioanal Ralph, Oy! In hind sight, I look back and see here is were Straight Inc. really and trully began to "change" my thinking. I never knew for sure what it was my thinking was to change into...what ever it was I never met muster. I was a teenager being taught to think like a 40-45 year old.
I never really liked George Ross....seemed too much like Uncle Pervy ( a character from Cheech Martin and Tommy Chong). For a long time there was nothing specific about him.....he just seemed real odd.....of course no odder than Mr Ed, the old geezer that sat out front and all the lil runner girls would appear to drool over......Oy....that really gies me the hebby jebbies.
What cinched the dislike for George Ross was one night in the "Green Room" at the old Morgan Yacht Building. A female had been brought to the room where George Ross, 7-8 guys (myself included) I dont recall any female staff or otherwise. It seems this girl had been raped and had trouble relating it to the 350+ people we had at the time. I mean, can ya blame her?
At any rate, George Ross begins to "Mock Rape" this girl. It was fucking unbelievable....for the life of me I dont remember the girls name...dont matter...but that night prior to the Green Room incident.She slapped the living dog shit out of Chris Castler, who I think had made senior Staff at the time....Knocked him way the fuck back to...He taunted her again to hit him....and she did, same punch, same landing site...Put Chris flat on his ass.
But I rember thinking then and many many times afterwards over the years....How was that therapeutic? How can it be justified as Therapeutic?
Now seeing Dave MacAdams name brought about mixed emotions. He stayed at my house for a long long time. I knew Dave well at the time. I thought Dave as friend....but he began to excell thru the program. Before I knew it he was on Staff and I was still on my phases......Seriously.....what the fuck?...I still liked dave despite the rivalry or whatever.
He did this thing to people, it is something I still do to people to this very day. Dave would speak to you in conversation. Then as the conversation continued, he de-modulated his voice and lowered it and lowered it so gradually that soon no sound was actually emminating from him....Most annoying, but fun to pull on folks from time to time.
What befuddles me is to see Dave MacAdams name associated with the George Ross cretin....I always thought more of Dave then that. Hopefully it's not true....Course I heard he was Executive Staff in the 80's .....Man, been thinking about that all day.
I would be curious to read any others thoughts on Dave, if not from Dave. Most agree he was good /descent person......but he was Exec Staff....have this image in my head of a pit bull wagging it's tail and growling at the same time.
Namaste
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2007, 07:57:48 PM
He shoulda known how fucked up it was. Dave, you need to apply the 3rd step (I think it is the proper one to apply) LOL - you fuck. Dave, you and Miller and Ross are all about on the same level in my humble opinion.
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2007, 07:58:34 PM
He shoulda known how fucked up it was. Dave, you need to apply the 3rd step (I think it is the proper one to apply) LOL - you fuck. Dave, you and Miller and Ross are all about on the same level in my humble opinion.
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 12, 2007, 08:06:24 PM
Post by: Woof-a-Doof on September 12, 2007, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
McAdams and Ross started KHK in Kentucky I think. McAdams got sucked in to the straight crap ....as a kid I can forgive him for this, but as an adult when he kept up the straight shit, running progams and such, I think that mofucker should be put in jail.
He shoulda known how fucked up it was. Dave, you need to apply the 3rd step (I think it is the proper one to apply) LOL - you fuck. Dave, you and Miller and Ross are all about on the same level in my humble opinion.
Yes, my memories are of Dave no older than 17.....Really, on the same level of Miller Newton and George Ross?
Post by: 85 Day Jerk on September 12, 2007, 11:56:44 PM
He looked like a Buffalo Bill/Stephen Stills hippy straight from the mudpits of Woodstock. I think he was 16, yet he had thick wooly sideburns that reached his jawline. I was fooled into thinking he had the IQ of a cigar butt, yet once his spirit broke, it blew my mind how fast the transformation into an intelligent teenager took over.
He was a newcomer of Mike Brunette, who's father was on the Board of Directors. I always thought highly of them all and still am torn to admit that I still do. Mikes younger brother Thomas was a damn good friend as well as Mike. They all were transported to where I lived when Patterson Horizons was turned into an Emergency Dropoff during the freak-out flood of May 8, 1979 when my dad made 3 trips in the trusty custom blue leather Ford Maverick that he drove through water that came up to the windows. We wound up with 27 Straightlings at our house as parents as far away as Lakeland made frantic phone calls to locate their children. The St. Petersburg area around Tyrone was under 8 feet of water in some places. This was the only time in my knowlege that Straight Inc. had to close down operations and evacuate. This was some serious shit and I think I was on 4th phase and finishing 11th grade at the time. It was a big moment in my program. At the risk of being started over, I took a Polaroid snapshot of about half of the 27 people that were at my house that day. Dave McAdams is in that photo and Mike Brunette got ahold of some vampire fangs he found while we were digging around for board games to pass the time. He slipped them on right before the picture was taken and it looked cool as hell in the finished photo. My dad might still have it tucked away somewhere. I'll have to ask him. If he does, I'll send a copy to those who want one.
Dave was a good guy, and so was Mike, who ended up marrying Nancy Ross, sister of Jeff Ross. While visiting Liz Cassidy/Gay about 2 years out of the program, she told me how Mike and Nancy had started drinking beer. She was really tore up about it at the time. Around this time quite a few of my friends from the program had started delving back into alcohol. Not long after I had my first "screw up beer" in Jacksonville Florida while being processed into the United States Army. This was early October 1982 and shortly after that, events led to the total meltdown of my family as I knew it and the stage was set for the horrible damage that came after that is still under reconstruction to this very day.
As far as George Ross is concerned, more power to him. At least he tried to make a difference. His RSA therapy was a little too cerebral in my opinion, to be laying on teenagers and adolecents, but what the hell, it really is a useful tool if used properly, sort of like Algebra I guess. George was one of the few things right about the program and like I said earlier, I feel torn writing about it, but goddammit people like him helped me to forget shit like sweat caked girls screaming at each other and calling each other whores and shit, while the guys who made them that way stood smugly on the sidelines leaning over and tugging my ear and telling me to "pay attention" like I was supposed to walk away with some valuable lesson from it all. I guess the best way to sum it up is that we all had to take the bad with the good, and compared to Ms. Pete, Doug Hemminger, Mike Murphy and his Jekyl and Hyde psycho act, total asshole bitches like Amy Wrong, Wanda Minton, Melinda Putnam and others, people like Dave and George helped keep me from breaking a chair over some motherfuckers head.
I better quit for now, but this thread really pushed some rusted shut buttons on me...................Later ::luck:: ::luck:: ::luck:: ::rocker:: ::rocker:: ::stab::
Post by: 85 Day Jerk on September 13, 2007, 12:18:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2007, 07:45:17 AM
Quote from: ""85 Day Jerk""
As far as George Ross is concerned, more power to him. At least he tried to make a difference. His RSA therapy was a little too cerebral in my opinion, to be laying on teenagers and adolecents, but what the hell, it really is a useful tool if used properly, sort of like Algebra I guess. George was one of the few things right about the program
:o :o
Post by: Froderik on September 13, 2007, 09:02:04 AM
The tenets of RSA were not terrible in and of themselves, but Straight took them and used them to bolster its own twisted agenda...
Bleach is ok to clean your toilet with, just don't use it as a body wash...
Post by: 85 Day Jerk on September 13, 2007, 12:03:49 PM
Most of his raps were held in the early morning hours for the lower phasers in the building during school hours, and in the afternoons the raps were held in the "Carpet Rooms" with glorious a/c running. Sure, the rooms heated up after awhile, but by then the raps were going full swing and George or executive staff were long gone to their cars or the comfort of their private office space. The only times you would see them sweat was if an emergency type situation arose, like the time Amy Wrong's first and only "Love Rap" went out of control when a weird jerk chick talked about her brother giving her her first orgasm (a true classic) in the striped carpet room at Morgan Yacht. Amy actually took out a set of keys, unlocked a never opened side door to the parking lot, and walked into the blazing sunlight screaming, on the way to her car. Everyone was so stunned, no one even tried to split. George had to restore order, and once the sweat started popping on his forehead, he got the bright idea to move us all into the big group where they were setting up for Open Meeting. The 4th phase guys, being no dumbasses, had opened up the garage side doors and the room was way cooler than the one we just left. This was the only time I remember seeing perspiration marks on Georges shirt. On the subconscious level, air conditioning was reserved for "good cop" while swealtering heat was reserved for "bad cop." Just another stroke position for the mind fuck we all endured.
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2007, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: ""Woof-a-Doof""
Quote from: ""Guest""McAdams and Ross started KHK in Kentucky I think. McAdams got sucked in to the straight crap ....as a kid I can forgive him for this, but as an adult when he kept up the straight shit, running progams and such, I think that mofucker should be put in jail.
He shoulda known how fucked up it was. Dave, you need to apply the 3rd step (I think it is the proper one to apply) LOL - you fuck. Dave, you and Miller and Ross are all about on the same level in my humble opinion.
Yes, my memories are of Dave no older than 17.....Really, on the same level of Miller Newton and George Ross?
not at 17 woof, when he became an adult and helped Ross run KHK. That is when I lost respect for him. I don't hold the children staff as accountable as I do the adults and I think you will agree.
Post by: Woof-a-Doof on September 13, 2007, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: ""85 Day Jerk""
Now that I think about it, I never remember seeing George Ross sweat.
I remember him sweating profusely during the "Mock Rape", in fact I also recall him drooling with copious amounts of spittle as he screamed into this young girls face. His face was beat red, the viens/arteries in his fore head were bulging. It was horrible.
I distinctly remember having the thought. Perhaps my own first, freely formed thought. I thought, "this is wrong"..."this is wrong". Of course it was directed at George Ross, I hadnt, at the time fully comprehended the full enormity of that thought.
It's no wonder my life seems so fucked sometimes......Its not...but at times it really seems that way.
RE: Dave.....Seems like a Love/Hate thing to me. I mean, I got good memories of him as a child/teen. He never hurt me. However, he grew older....was far from stupid.....yet made a concious decsion to continue up the Staff Chain of Command. And carried it further still with other programs, so I have learned. I draw the line at staff traine...Go beyond that...further up the ladder....I aint got much love. Now, I won't say I hate, because of my own memories and involvement with Dave...and others....But I will say I have zero respect for them. I see them as para-therapeutic mind fucks. Dave was an admitted brain fuck, a prankster...I can imagine, just because of his nature...it probably soured with the training he recieved long after I knew him...tragic
RE: the girl in the "Mock Rape" the one who bitch slapped Chris Cassleor, not once but twice. Her name occured to me this afternoon. I thought better of releasing her name. Her dignity, her memory, she as a person (if alive today) needn't have her history broadcast. or even whispered...especially in the atrocious way she was treated....
Om Shanti Shanti
woof
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2007, 05:55:51 PM
85DJerkoff, you again reveal yourself to be a fucked-up asshole with a very fucked up affinity for Straight, Inc., as if it was the best years of your life. You praise asshole Straight executives and want to gossip about the identity of someone who is essentially a rape victim. (of course, I'm "programmed" for wanting to "maintain her confidentiality" and not "talk behind backs"---admit it, that was going to be your defense of your fucked-up interest in knowing her name, that you are somehow defying Straight by wanting to know her name). For you to express admiration for a creep like Ross who not only was a staff member at Straight (by definition a child abuser), but one who would re-enact a rape, truly disgusts and revolts me.
You seem to think that "Straight was a wonderful place", just like the song they sang in group, until it got "ruined". You are wrong. It was fucked up from the start, and only got worse.
Fuck Gearge Ross, fuck Dave McAdams, and fuck you.
Post by: 85 Day Jerk on September 13, 2007, 09:58:50 PM
If you would pay attention you would see that I wrote no less than 3 times of my own self being torn about how I felt. Secondly, as far as naming names, why is it okay to bash the fuck out of the bad people, yet to name someone out loud and perhaps actually give them the long awaited vindication for the shit they endured somehow harm them? Are you fucking kidding me? Just what are you hiding from Mary? I am not afraid to see my goddamn name posted here, and this whole Anonymity Bullshit is just the sort of thing that the ones who profitted from our suffering eat up each and every motherfucking day of their putrid lives. As long as everyone stays pussy and silent, they had nothing to fear and STILL FUCKIN DON'T!!!!!!!
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2007, 10:07:29 PM
Quote from: ""85 Day Jerk""
I was on third phase and attending High School at Dixie Hollins, St. Pete, which was also the closest fucking high school to the program, and if we were not in group within a half hour of school getting out, it was our ass, while others from Northeast, St. Pete High, and other schools were given more than an hour to get their ass into group each day. This was unfair as hell,
That's right. Everyone's just done you wrong.
You're a talented writer, no doubt. But the more you write the more you reveal. I'd think you might want to quit while you're ahead. I don't think you're a bad guy. I just think you are so starved for acceptance that you'll do or say just about anything to gain it.
Post by: 85 Day Jerk on September 13, 2007, 10:20:32 PM
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 13, 2007, 10:28:46 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on September 14, 2007, 12:07:50 AM
Quote from: ""85 Day Jerk""
It's a two way street there, you need to get a job, get a purpose, put down the Oreo's and StarBucks, quit spending your days watching Judge Judy, People's Court, Judge Joe Brown, C.O.P.S. reruns, The View, whatever cable network filler that comes after and before you frantically run around the house cleaning up and making it look like you actually serve a purpose for the inevitable entrance of the poor shmuck you live with that is actually footing the bill of your sorry existance. Yet once again, you pull off the tireless charade, talk about "how was your day?" and pretend that you are actually a woman, or thing of substance. Fuckin Please! :roll:
This is actually funny coming from the overweight, lonely guy who sits in front of his computer madly typing away in extreme details about his days in str8 because not much has really happened in his life since then.
You yourself wrote that you didn't even know Ms. Bonney yet now you write things about the kind of life she has as if you know. Your obsession with her is just a small glimpse of how sad your life must be.
Post by: Anonymous on September 14, 2007, 12:51:15 AM
Her-roe, my name is Hong Kong Fooey, I ruv to read the funny pages of Fornits before I chop chop galley cat for shipmates bleck-fast evelly mornink. This pahltickyoular cat was a favorlitt of crew. We call her Kim Sum Stank. She was okay G.I. until she got the crabs, then it chop chop into the stewpot for her. I am cook aboard the famous Tuna Boat the S.S. Anne Bonney. Stah Kist is the bestest Tuna rite Wah Key Jerk-Boy?
Me go now.
Post by: Anonymous on September 14, 2007, 12:45:36 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Her-roe, my name is Hong Kong Fooey, I ruv to read the funny pages of Fornits before I chop chop galley cat for shipmates bleck-fast evelly mornink. This pahltickyoular cat was a favorlitt of crew. We call her Kim Sum Stank. She was okay G.I. until she got the crabs, then it chop chop into the stewpot for her. I am cook aboard the famous Tuna Boat the S.S. Anne Bonney. Stah Kist is the bestest Tuna rite Wah Key Jerk-Boy?
Me go now.
Is the best you can do? Not even very funny... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Post by: Woof-a-Doof on September 15, 2007, 10:29:21 AM
Quote from: ""85 Day Jerk""
as fas naming names, why is it okay to bash the fuck out of the bad people, yet to name someone out loud and perhaps actually give them the long awaited vindication for the shit they endured somehow harm them? Are you fucking kidding me?
G’Morning 85DJ.
Puff Puff Puff (I do so love a Saturday morning wake and bake…and those who know me, know…I am prone to prattle) and so…lets investigate why this lil snippet bothers me so.
On the surface your question is valid. There does seem to be a double standard…on the surface. Explore a lil deeper, and here I will use your words to illustrate my point, not to insult or to antagonize!
“and perhaps actually give them long awaited vindicationâ€
Post by: 85 Day Jerk on September 15, 2007, 07:00:44 PM
*pop* multi-symptom allergy crap w ibuprofen, and made me really look at just what was making me feel that way. Well after a lot of thought, I discovered that my line of thinking was personal and purely One Dementional. The real deal is that no one has noticed the really fucked up thing about ME and ever mentioned it. You actually danced on the tip of the iceberg and for that I give you a big thumbs up. Perhaps it is your own "programing" that prevented you from delving further.
Straight basically made me what I am today. When I went in the program, my name was Bob Newman, my name meant nothing to me. My last name was the product of an abusive step father who thought it would be cute to "adopt" me and my sister after years of abusing us and take a lump sum payment from the State of Florida for "enriching our lives." One of the main reasons my first phase lasted so long was that Straight had to get my mom out of the picture and it took over 2 and a half months. From the inside, I could sense that no matter what I did, staff was not prepared to let me advance, so I became a jerk. What the hell else was I supposed to do? I was too young to take care of myself, and too old for the Foster Care System. I figured I would see what steps my dad would take to clear up the mess. It took some major string pulling to get me transfered to Dixie Hollins. Because I transfered from an Elective School to a Comprehensive School, my grade point average got all fucked up and I did not recieve credit for taking honors courses from Pinellas Park High.
I am getting off the track a little here, I guess, but as you can see, there was a whole lot of ways I was cheated out of a fair shake because of my involvement with Straight. Nobody ever talked about it, nobody ever asked me how I felt, and quite honestly I was too busy finding unhealthy ways to hold the anger in to try to talk about any of it myself. Very few people knew what I was going through and those that did kept their distance. The most common response from people that saw the conditions I had to live under, always playing second fiddle to a couple of underachieving 'mama's boys' that were my stepbrothers, finding out my dad was a pussywhipped coward hiding behind the "Weekend Warrior" guise of the Florida National Guard were all a pretty fuckin big pill to swallow at the tender age of 15, leaving most of my friends to ask me "Why do you put up with it?" I guess the answer to that would be because killiing them all and setting the house on fire to make it look like an accident would'nt have solved anything,
So yeah, to sum it up, while I would WELCOME someone stepping forth and naming names and bringing to light some of the many ways and unfair situations Straight made a mess of my life, there are other people that would rather not think about it, be reminded of it, or be invited to talk about it. Just because this forum used to be a valuable tool in helping others reach closure does not mean it is now. Anyone climbing aboard Fornits after around late 2004 is pretty much left out in the cold. The meaningful posters have long since departed. I am not saying that I am the only one, or that I am even special in any sense. I really don't give much of a fuck about people on these boards anymore. Straight Survivors has become a sick and twisted little Mickey Mouse Club and I have come to realize that I don't fit in anymore. So be it. The only reason I frequent this forum is for the slim to none chance that I am able to meet and help those who need it, and maybe reunite with what few friends I managed to garner through that hellatious experience. That night on the Skyway was a turning point for all who were there. If you are going after snook, try to catch some yellowtail or pinfish first and keep them alive in a bait well with an aerator pump. I used to hook em through the dorsal and bloody them up with a knife. You'll know you hooked a snook on it pretty easy, cause they'll just about yank the pole from from your hands, but for some reason, the fuckers will shy back if you use anything thicker than 14 pound test. Good Luck, see ya later, and thanks for the advice, really........Bob
Holy shit, Dick Tracy!!! I actually got so caught up on my soapbox speech that I actually called the forum by it's former name of Straight Survivors, which only goes to show how fucked up things have gotten around here. The name was changed to Straight Inc. Veterans after everything went to shit. You can see how much the name change helped make this such a nice and friendly place.......my bad :oops: :oops: :oops:
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2007, 08:20:34 PM
Post by: Deprogrammed on September 15, 2007, 08:24:02 PM
-DP
Post by: seamus on September 19, 2007, 05:27:58 PM
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Post by: Sam Kinison on November 27, 2007, 12:52:45 AM
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Post by: Sam Kinison on December 02, 2007, 06:42:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2007, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: ""Sam Kinison""
Well,voice,I guess that means that one rat won´t have to worry about his backside anytime soon.If you feel so strongly about this maybe you should try to have them procecuted or at least make some sympatheic law enforcement authority aware of who they are when they happen to be in the neighborhood.Personally,I try to avoid throwing stones for some may inadvertantly hit me on the way.I spent my first three months after my 18th birthday in Str8 and I hope I didn´t break too many laws during that time or else I might be worthy of prosecution as well even though to this day I really do not know what other viable option I had.Meanwhile,voice,you keep deciding what situations merit or don´t merit a rodent´s backside and I´ll keep searching for more understanding of the most bizarre 72 weeks of my life.
Hey Sam - I have tried to get justice, to get the word out and to let them know what I think. I have contacted and met with the drug czar of Florida, a house minority leader in Florida and helped put together protests, conferences and radio shows. I understand what you mean, and I respect your opion, although, I humbly disagree. Staff should be held accountable to the law and yes, I am also responsible; I was in the program and as we all were, I was an ass at times. I regret my sins, but the a main diff is, I admit I was wrong and have asked and prayed for forgiveness.
Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2007, 12:41:09 PM
FD
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2007, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: ""froddy's dingleberry""
This to me seems like a what could have been thing. Puttin ex staffers in jail doesn't seem realistic all these years later. Sure, some of them deserve it, but with the limit laws and all, well, is it reasonable to expect anymore? There might be more chances going after the corporate leaders, though, but that takes time and lotsa $$$. Meanwhile, hey, so we can't get way older former staffers in jail, but we surely can beat the hell out of the current ones' credibility and reputations at the pfc/khk locations... this type of activity may be small compensation in the long run, all things considered, but it could also be the best you got. Many fishes got away. Some even keep splashing water in the boat. (semblers, riddile, schwartz, walker, etc...) True and fair Justice from that long ago time may never happen. Given the amount of bullshit happening in this country, our time in straight is the last thing on the government's mind. Hell, they barely care about kids at all. Regardless of the straight stuff, may all good things illuminate your path, however you transverse the road into the future.
FD
How do you determine which staffers deserve it and which ones don't? Who deservese to go to jail and who doesn't?
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2007, 05:07:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2007, 08:19:59 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
How do you determine which staffers deserve it and which ones don't? Who deservese to go to jail and who doesn't?
If they were over 18 years of age and got a paycheck from Straight, then they are guilty of being paid, professional child abusers.
Most ex-Staff should be lined up against the wall where the 7 Steps were painted and shot.
Either that, or shoved into an intake room that is then pumped full of Zyklon B.
Or maybe just left alone for five minutes with a group of their victims.....
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2007, 07:05:01 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
How do you determine which staffers deserve it and which ones don't? Who deservese to go to jail and who doesn't?
If they were over 18 years of age and got a paycheck from Straight, then they are guilty of being paid, professional child abusers.
Most ex-Staff should be lined up against the wall where the 7 Steps were painted and shot.
Either that, or shoved into an intake room that is then pumped full of Zyklon B.
Or maybe just left alone for five minutes with a group of their victims.....
they already were you moron thats how they got to be staff in the first place. it's 6th phase/apprentice. 7th step/jr staff. then 6+ months later/sr. staff? didn't you go though the program?
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2007, 07:28:12 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
they already were you moron thats how they got to be staff in the first place. it's 6th phase/apprentice. 7th step/jr staff. then 6+ months later/sr. staff? didn't you go though the program?
No, I just come here to meet up with cool people like you who make apologies for child abusers.
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2007, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""
How do you determine which staffers deserve it and which ones don't? Who deservese to go to jail and who doesn't?
If they were over 18 years of age and got a paycheck from Straight, then they are guilty of being paid, professional child abusers.
Most ex-Staff should be lined up against the wall where the 7 Steps were painted and shot.
Either that, or shoved into an intake room that is then pumped full of Zyklon B.
Or maybe just left alone for five minutes with a group of their victims.....
they already were you moron thats how they got to be staff in the first place. it's 6th phase/apprentice. 7th step/jr staff. then 6+ months later/sr. staff? didn't you go though the program?
6th phase? What the fuck program did you go thru? Not Straight St Pete.
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2007, 09:48:12 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
6th phase? What the fuck program did you go thru? Not Straight St Pete.
Yeah, there was no 6th phase where I was either..
So hey "6th phase," what's this all about, anyway?
Post by: Deprogrammed on December 11, 2007, 10:04:11 PM
I am ex-staff and a survivor. I also protest these fucked up places .
I asked again should I be lined up to be shot?
-DP
Post by: Deprogrammed on December 11, 2007, 10:04:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2007, 10:06:12 PM
Post by: Deprogrammed on December 11, 2007, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
That's a question only YOU can answer!
My answer is NO!
Post by: Woof-a-Doof on December 12, 2007, 07:38:00 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""Quote from: ""Guest""
How do you determine which staffers deserve it and which ones don't? Who deservese to go to jail and who doesn't?
If they were over 18 years of age and got a paycheck from Straight, then they are guilty of being paid, professional child abusers.
Most ex-Staff should be lined up against the wall where the 7 Steps were painted and shot.
Either that, or shoved into an intake room that is then pumped full of Zyklon B.
Or maybe just left alone for five minutes with a group of their victims.....
they already were you moron thats how they got to be staff in the first place. it's 6th phase/apprentice. 7th step/jr staff. then 6+ months later/sr. staff? didn't you go though the program?
6th phase? What the fuck program did you go thru? Not Straight St Pete.
I was on 5th phase, I went thru some kinda training type thing, but ultimately was rejected By Dave Crock and Amy Wright as unfit for staff...Dave MacAdams walked me off the premises explaining I was better off that there was no way I could have dealt with the insainity of being on staff....So, I was at the time...a wanna be staff....So, what do I get....pelted with rocks? publicly ridiculed?
Rather than reply here, in the comfort of hiding behind a computer screen, Speak with me directly at our next gathring, be it a protest, or honoring those that have passed. Get the sense I am pissed off? Get the sense I wanna fight? Get the sense I would beat you to a bloody pulp?
My desire to help people went beyond straight....I am thankful my service to mankind was not tainted by being on staff at Straight Inc. I am proud to have retired from the mental health field of service with 17 years of being spit at, cursed at, punched and kicked...all becasue I wanted to help another fucking human being.
Now I question why...why in the fuck would I wanna do something like that...at Straight Inc. and for other institutions.....why would I wanna give a fuck about another person....liars....cheats....cowards...pathetic pieces of shit... Why in the fuck would I want to devote my life to that? Why risk attempting to help another person that can just as quickly call 1-800-ABUSE and destroy a career, perhaps a family, perhaps a life....for the sake of wanting to help a inane drone drooling on themselves and twitching with tardive dyskinesia. Or wanting to help some 17 yo 7 month pregnant bitch from miami wearing hot pants and a tube top...I brought her maternity clothes donated by my wife (at the time) and damn near got fired for it......
So, answer me this....Why should I give a fuck?
I made a massive mistake making an attempt at helping human beings....I should have just cleaned shit in an animal shelter...The more pieces of shit I meet, called human...the more I appreciate our sub-species....animals/trees/fish/birds.
So again....Why should I give a fuck?
Om Shanti Shanti Shanti
woof
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2007, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: ""Woof-a-Doof""
So again....Why should I give a fuck?
Maybe you shouldn't. I sure hope you don't wanna beat me to a bloody pulp for saying that..
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2007, 08:53:34 PM
At this point in life, you shouldn't. But know at least you tried as others have including ex-staff like me.
Peace.
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2007, 12:15:02 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
At this point in life, you shouldn't. But know at least you tried as others have including ex-staff like me.
I'll dance on your fucking GRAVES one day!
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2007, 02:41:33 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
"So again....Why should I give a fuck?"
At this point in life, you shouldn't. But know at least you tried as others have including ex-staff like me.
Peace.
So, because you were weaker than many, and joined the staff, when in your gut, you MUST have known how wrong that place was, we are supposed to feel bad for you? You are trying now, because you know that, in many of the nightmares that many of us ex-straightlings have, and many of us that have gone to far over the edge since, you are the cause, in probably more than one nightmare, and the last thought in probably more than one suicide.
But at least you tried, right? To avoid your own persecution, your own pain, by spreading that pain to many, many others. You are worthless and weak.
Just think, if you were on staff for any length of time, I would almost guarantee that you were one of the last thoughts in someone’s mind, right before their end. 'Tis a shame they probably would never realize what a fucking coward you were.
But at least you tried, right?
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2007, 07:51:14 AM
Quote from: ""Black Elk""
Quote from: ""Guest""At this point in life, you shouldn't. But know at least you tried as others have including ex-staff like me.I'll dance on your fucking GRAVES one day!
::rocker:: ::rocker:: ::rocker:: ::rocker:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::nod:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: :rofl: :rofl: :evil:
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2007, 10:29:57 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest"""So again....Why should I give a fuck?"
At this point in life, you shouldn't. But know at least you tried as others have including ex-staff like me.
Peace.
So, because you were weaker than many, and joined the staff, when in your gut, you MUST have known how wrong that place was, we are supposed to feel bad for you? You are trying now, because you know that, in many of the nightmares that many of us ex-straightlings have, and many of us that have gone to far over the edge since, you are the cause, in probably more than one nightmare, and the last thought in probably more than one suicide.
But at least you tried, right? To avoid your own persecution, your own pain, by spreading that pain to many, many others. You are worthless and weak.
Just think, if you were on staff for any length of time, I would almost guarantee that you were one of the last thoughts in someone’s mind, right before their end. 'Tis a shame they probably would never realize what a fucking coward you were.
you know, I've thought a lot about what wood has written. I'm the "voice from nowhere" that p osted about not being able to forgive the adult staff...ie dave crock and mcadams. Maybe cause I've mellowed or maybe because I respect woof's opinion so much, but I really don't have much anget towards those two anymore. Crock is living out his karma I think, and McAdams...I have mixed feelings bout him. We were on 1st phase together and I remember the shit he went thru being "a jerk" as we misbehaviors were called then. He was really fucked with as we all were. In fact, I think he was held down in the 5point restrant and then his hair was cut....but not sure about that. I also remember Dave Mc as a kind person on his phases and even as staff. I remember I was started over when he was Jr. Staff....I was really getting fucked with by the group and Dave came to my defense....it was something I really had never seen before, a staff member standing up for a phaser and tellign teh group to back off. Dave Mc is a great guy. I know, I know he was a staff member....I know I know him and Ross started KHK....but I also know Dave. I pray for Dave Mc and as a friend, I do have love for him. I hope he is doing well, and has seen the errors of his ways. Dave Mc has a lot to offer this world adn I hope he is doing well. While, I still believe he knew or shoulda known the straight/phaser/host home model is wrong, I still have a soft spot in my heart for him.
Now the adults that "ran" the program...Crock, Ross, Newton, Petermann, et all canr ot in hell and prison as far as I'm concerned....
I'm gonna sign my name to this one and yeah, y'all, I'm ready to get blasted by the folks here......
Mike Sherman, Straight Survivor, 78-80
But at least you tried, right?
Post by: 85 Day Jerk on December 14, 2007, 11:46:44 AM
We began a practice on Friday nights of distrupting power to any adult tenants foolish enough to throw a party without inviting us to stop by for a free beer or a hit off of a joint. At each building there were groupings of power meters along with circuit breaker boxes foolishly labled for the convienience of cable installers, workmen, and building maintenance. We took idiotic delight in devising a route, opening the boxes we intended to "hit" later that night, then once darkness had settled, dressing alike to thwart any eyewitness accounts to police, and just silently glide through the complex on our rat bikes wreaking havoc and disrupting electrical service to all we felt "deserved it."
It perplexes me to read all these many posts written by people who still lend power to those who oppressed them all those years ago. I am not saying to stop, or that it is wrong to go on hating and blaming all these years later. Do what you will, but I will say that I think it is fuckin stupid. What good is it doing for you or anyone else? You can't bring back lost days, so why do you successfully fuck up the days you have left in the here and now? I guess because it is so much easier than coping, and getting on with your life through action. I did'nt start to really enjoy my own life until roughly 1998, a whole 20 years after Straight. I was pretty fucking stupid of my own accord, but at least I found ways to get over it.
I did not harbor any more grudges. Hell, I did'nt even find the forum until 2003, and by then I simply just wanted to reconnect with lost friends and what-not. In the days following, I travelled south and had a mini reunion with a former girl staffer that was like diving into an ice cold pool on a hot summer day, attended the 2nd Conference, was a part of the ridiculous ISSAC/Safetynet bickering and the resulting fallout, and following the mass bail-out exodus of most well meaning OLDTIMERS, I am now this poorly understood person who most Second Gen clients view as a tee totalling asshole.
It is threads like this that almost MAKE me wish I HAD joined staff when the opportunity presented itself all those years ago. That would have made for some interesting times. Can you just imagine a staff member with bipolar disorder entrusted with the lives of 400 plus teens? I started cracking up in my program and completely unravelled at 19 years of age. I am sure that the pressures of being on staff would have surely caused a rapid accelleration of symptoms and maybe led to something cool, like opening the doors and telling the clients that they were free to go.
What the fuck, something to think about is all. Have a nice day :P :P :P ::roflmao::
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2007, 12:17:10 PM
I guess for me, I feel pretty disconnected from program in terms of its effect on me at this juncture in life. It feels like another life, another person.
But here is my issue: mine was an abusive cult and I don't want other kids being subjected to the same mindfuckery.
I split my program and was persona non grata. I never had anyone to process it with; civilians looked at me like I was in the Twilight Zone if I tried. So, for 17 years I dreamt about these crazy experiences I had, and needed the opportunity to understand it and deal with it.
Now, I just don't want anyone else to seek help in a place that hurts.
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2007, 01:09:39 PM
Whatta buncha jive....
Post by: seamus on December 17, 2007, 03:58:54 PM
Post by: seamus on December 17, 2007, 03:59:14 PM
Post by: Sam Kinison on December 18, 2007, 03:07:50 PM
All this time I didn´t realize that this was how you and Str8 parted company!!!What a great way to have ended!!Realize that Dave MacAdams just gave you a all too rare honest moment during your internship of deception and lies.All I can say is that I´m proud.Maybe it was something deep in your psyche that first night while I was going over rules with you.Maybe it was that one to one I had with you while I was on 5th phase and you were a 4th phaser in the woodwork.Maybe it was how I laughed when you said that your mother looked like a bulldog at your oldcomer´s(Barry Nelson)house.I mean,shit,Woof,you were unfit to join the ranks of Dave Crock,Aimee Wright,and the rest of the Hee Haw gang.Was it that you were too sane?Too compassionate?I know,not tough enough!(I am actually curious to see what turned you into an ass kicker from the last time I saw you until now).You showed them something too healthy,too moral to be part of their sick game and you threatened them.I know that I´m flattering myself by hoping that in some way I helped,but all the same,you just earned your badge of honor for life!Congratulations!!
Post by: Woof-a-Doof on December 18, 2007, 08:02:49 PM
Quote from: ""Sam Kinison""
Woof,
All this time I didn´t realize that this was how you and Str8 parted company!!!What a great way to have ended!!Realize that Dave MacAdams just gave you a all too rare honest moment during your internship of deception and lies.All I can say is that I´m proud.Maybe it was something deep in your psyche that first night while I was going over rules with you.Maybe it was that one to one I had with you while I was on 5th phase and you were a 4th phaser in the woodwork.Maybe it was how I laughed when you said that your mother looked like a bulldog at your oldcomer´s(Barry Nelson)house.I mean,shit,Woof,you were unfit to join the ranks of Dave Crock,Aimee Wright,and the rest of the Hee Haw gang.Was it that you were too sane?Too compassionate?I know,not tough enough!(I am actually curious to see what turned you into an ass kicker from the last time I saw you until now).You showed them something too healthy,too moral to be part of their sick game and you threatened them.I know that I´m flattering myself by hoping that in some way I helped,but all the same,you just earned your badge of honor for life!Congratulations!!
I am flattered, it would be misleading to imply otherwise. Dave McAdams and I enjoyed a friendship long before his ascent into the “Hee Haw gangâ€
Post by: Deprogrammed on December 18, 2007, 10:29:10 PM
Ye said it well, and thank you!
I love ye.
-DP
Quote from: ""Woof-a-Doof""
Quote from: ""Sam Kinison""Woof,
All this time I didn´t realize that this was how you and Str8 parted company!!!What a great way to have ended!!Realize that Dave MacAdams just gave you a all too rare honest moment during your internship of deception and lies.All I can say is that I´m proud.Maybe it was something deep in your psyche that first night while I was going over rules with you.Maybe it was that one to one I had with you while I was on 5th phase and you were a 4th phaser in the woodwork.Maybe it was how I laughed when you said that your mother looked like a bulldog at your oldcomer´s(Barry Nelson)house.I mean,shit,Woof,you were unfit to join the ranks of Dave Crock,Aimee Wright,and the rest of the Hee Haw gang.Was it that you were too sane?Too compassionate?I know,not tough enough!(I am actually curious to see what turned you into an ass kicker from the last time I saw you until now).You showed them something too healthy,too moral to be part of their sick game and you threatened them.I know that I´m flattering myself by hoping that in some way I helped,but all the same,you just earned your badge of honor for life!Congratulations!!
I am flattered, it would be misleading to imply otherwise. Dave McAdams and I enjoyed a friendship long before his ascent into the “Hee Haw gangâ€
Post by: 85 Day Jerk on December 19, 2007, 12:29:55 AM
I went through my own period of rage and blaming society for my own shortcomings and it was not until a diesel tanker collided with a barge in the late spring of 1993 that I was thrust into the position of healing others and putting what I had learned through my own bad experiences to use in an effort to right the wrong and make a difference. The Pinellas beaches suffered from the resulting oil spill and tourism abruptly ended for the season. I was working the field crew for Advertising Air Force, a banner towing service at the time and was laid off indefineatly. Out of sheer desperation, I took a job driving a van part time for a run down Day Care in the poor part of town near the yet to be used for baseball Tropicana Field.
I would ride my bike to work, load up the kids and make two runs each morning to 4 or 5 area elementary schools. One of the schools was Azalea Elementary, just down the road from the Morgan Yacht Building, so I was constantly reminded each day of Straight. I even used the turn around road off 30th Avenue that went under Tyrone and came out next to the mall as a short cut to save time and get the kids to school early enough for breakfast.
To this day, I think it was all a part of God's Plan. The kids that went to this before and after school care came from poor, yet well meaning families, while others came from better homes, but their own behavior got them kicked out of the "primo" programs like the Y or Salvation Army. Once I had gained the trust of the owners, they gave me more hours and duties. In Service days were the best. I would load up my 16 passenger van with toys, ice chest and kids, and head to a county park and just go nuts until about 2 p.m. when we went back to the center for parent pick up. I had next to no training, and had to rely on common sense, which I had very little of in some areas. I'll never forget the time I foolishly handed out super soakers at Sand Key Park without really knowing the layout of the place. As the kids were busy reloading in the public restroom sinks, a Park Ranger stepped in and started admonishing the kids for making a mess. These inner city scamps were without fear, and proceeeded to waste the poor guy with water cannons.
He came to me soaking wet, thanked Camp Rascals for "donating" 10 dollars to the parking meters and informed me we still had a 5 minute head start on the sheriff's deputy who was stuck behind the Clearwater Pass drawbridge. Needless to say, I was a little pissed, but we had no choice but to load up and get the hell out of dodge. We wound up at the little used North Shore Beach near where I lived in northeast St. Pete and finished the day there. In the months that followed, I went to night school to earn credits in Child Development, spent the summer as a chaperone, and gained the love and admiration of some of the most hardcore, toughest kids any caregiver would ever want to deal with. Most of these kids had an invisible stamp on their foreheads that said "NO FUTURE" the day I met them, but by working together, we turned things around for the better. I went on to become the first bipolar bus driver for the Pinellas County Schools due in part to what I had learned on that job. As the years went on, I was approached my many young teens and young adults who remembered me from their childhood and thanked me for being there and making a difference.
Back then there was no Fornits, no protests, Straight was just a bad memory hardly ever talked about. Sembler was'nt even around much, and while I may have not closed down any second generation programs, I kept about 23 kids hand picked by God from becoming second generation casualties in the "War on Drugs."
Does that make me special? No, it just makes me Bob Patterson, Morgan Yacht stepped August 24th 1979. Later...........