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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 08, 2007, 01:13:02 AM
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So where do we go from here? I can tell you where AARC goes... I hear some media friendly talking head (possibly the good doctor himself) saying "This disease is powerful, he was doing so well and it took him down" BS!!!!!!
AARC took Andy Evans down. They took him down when they convinced him that after one beer he had thrown his life and his years away and that he was so far gone he need have no restraints on his behavior.
How many more people have to die before we stop the real criminals?
I can't sleep I am so angry. We should all be angry!
"One too many, a thousand never enough" Here is the truth One is One and a thousand is a thousand. Simple math.
I was talking to loved one about "Normal". He said he just wants to go out and be with his friends and be normal. The only abnormal thing about him is that he went into a cult and came out broken.
How do we become "Normal"? We raise our voices and we fight this terrible program and we don't stop fighting until the doors are closed and all the people responsible are held accountable for every child they hurt.
:flame:
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Wow! You spoke to Andy? You know what happened! Do tell!
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Where-ever you want.
Seriously.
::dove:: ::hatter:: ::birthday:: ::cheers:: :smokin: ::seg::
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Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.
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My first reaction based only on what was posted here, is how predictable such an act is. In AARC I watched young victims of exploitation (13-15 year old girls who were recruited and drugged) be told it was their fault or their "disease" that made them sell their bodies, when so obviously it was manipulative and dangerous men doing it to them.
There was a newcomer girl who was raped around age 14 or 15, and who was one of those victims of exploitation. The boy who raped her later become a newcomer himself, and never had to "make amends" for what he'd done. In fact she was punished for bringing it up.
I watched these young girls be humiliated in front of the group, undergo long "blast raps", and be restrained. Then these girls are paraded in front of the parents and media because curing a prostitute, supposedly someone who stooped to a low by choice to feed a drug habit, is the ultimate happy ending. The amount of degradation AARC subjected these girls to over months and years in my opinion is far worse than selling ones body.
So why wouldn't an AARC boy treat a sex worker violently? He's just spent a good year (if not more)being verbally violent towards them. He's maybe thrown chairs at them or chap stick, restrained them and sat on them, or denied them food or toilet paper. He's probably told them how "hurt'n" they are and then told them what they need to do to change their life. Why wouldn't he think he's better than a sex worker? Why wouldn't he think she's a "lowlife druggie"? He's been taught that the only reason someone would do such a thing is because of drugs. Acting out physical violence towards such a woman is just manifesting the thoughts that have been bread into him. I'm sure he's not the only AARC "miracle" out there using and mistreating sex workers. With all of the inescapable talk about it in AARC it becomes common place.
I feel so badly for the family and friends of the victim, and of course for the life lost.
Sadly, the prison where "Andy" is going will probably be a much better place than AARC. We can only hope he is the smaller person in his cell.
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Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.
Please don't waste your time feeling sorry for me! I have a good life, great kids, loving spouse. I make great money at a job I love. I have been sober for a long time. AARc was good for me, but I have little contact with them. I know everyone has their own perspective on AARC. Mine is good. But it was also just one year in my life. I don't blame them for the bad things that have happened since then, or celebrate them for the good things that have happened.
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Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.
Please don't waste your time feeling sorry for me! I have a good life, great kids, loving spouse. I make great money at a job I love. I have been sober for a long time. AARc was good for me, but I have little contact with them. I know everyone has their own perspective on AARC. Mine is good. But it was also just one year in my life. I don't blame them for the bad things that have happened since then, or celebrate them for the good things that have happened.
Do you remember AARC being anything like the post directly above yours?
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Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.
Please don't waste your time feeling sorry for me! I have a good life, great kids, loving spouse. I make great money at a job I love. I have been sober for a long time. AARc was good for me, but I have little contact with them. I know everyone has their own perspective on AARC. Mine is good. But it was also just one year in my life. I don't blame them for the bad things that have happened since then, or celebrate them for the good things that have happened.
Do you remember AARC being anything like the post directly above yours?
Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.
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Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.
Please don't waste your time feeling sorry for me! I have a good life, great kids, loving spouse. I make great money at a job I love. I have been sober for a long time. AARc was good for me, but I have little contact with them. I know everyone has their own perspective on AARC. Mine is good. But it was also just one year in my life. I don't blame them for the bad things that have happened since then, or celebrate them for the good things that have happened.
Do you remember AARC being anything like the post directly above yours?
Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.
Left? When you were a client or on staff... ? Because I certainly didn't have the option of leaving, and confronting the abuser was "not working my program".
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Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.
So what would happen if a "client" decided to leave. How did you handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?
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Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.
So what would happen if a "client" decided to leave. How did you handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?
If I had decided to leave I would have walked out. Period. I watched numerous other clients do it. I chose to stay.
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Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.
So what would happen if a "client" decided to leave. How did you handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?
If I had decided to leave I would have walked out. Period. I watched numerous other clients do it. I chose to stay.
So, AARC is 100% voluntary? There's no coercion? Why am I hearing about all these kids who did not want to be there?
What if someone refuses to admit they have a problem? Be it drugs, food, sex, whatever they've been admitted for? How is taht handled? How do you get them to "see the light" and "save themselves"?
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Now, I see virtually zero difference between Straight and the place below. Straight had a lot more kids in group when I was there, but that same bullshit, same forced confessions, same isolation, same fear mongering (deadinsaneorinjail) same love-bombing, same guru complex, same, same, same, same is still there.
btw. What are Vause's credentials? Is he another degree mill "doctor" like his predecessor Miller Newton? Fake degree from a correspondence school that wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. Now Miller has a bought and paid for priest's costume. You can put a dress on a pig, but it's still a pig.
http://aarc.ab.ca/media/aarc_movie.wmv (http://aarc.ab.ca/media/aarc_movie.wmv)
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Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.
So what would happen if a "client" decided to leave. How did you handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?
If I had decided to leave I would have walked out. Period. I watched numerous other clients do it. I chose to stay.
So, AARC is 100% voluntary? There's no coercion? Why am I hearing about all these kids who did not want to be there?
What if someone refuses to admit they have a problem? Be it drugs, food, sex, whatever they've been admitted for? How is taht handled? How do you get them to "see the light" and "save themselves"?
I know my experience, and it was good. As to "all these kids" - AARC has had HUNDREDS of kids go through there, and I doubt more than 10 have posted on this site saying anything negative. Compare that to the huge majority of Straight or KIDS victims who have come out against those places. How long were those horror shows open? AARC has been around for almost 16 years! Where are the "abused" except for a few vocal people on this forum - the most vocal of which has never stepped foot in the building. Seems strange to me.
If AARC is abusive it should be closed down. I was not abused.
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I know my experience, and it was good. As to "all these kids" - AARC has had HUNDREDS of kids go through there, and I doubt more than 10 have posted on this site saying anything negative. Compare that to the huge majority of Straight or KIDS victims who have come out against those places. How long were those horror shows open? AARC has been around for almost 16 years! Where are the "abused" except for a few vocal people on this forum - the most vocal of which has never stepped foot in the building. Seems strange to me.
If AARC is abusive it should be closed down. I was not abused.
You don't know who I speak with away from these boards.
Are you going to answer the questions or just use your 'frustration' as an excuse not to? Usually when ya'll get stumped its something along the lines of 'you're a disgruntled druggie/dry drunk. it's not worth a response".
Yeah, right. If you believe in your program so much, if it really saved your life, lets hear it. It should certainly be able to stand up to the scrutiny of the likes of some angry loser who's obviously not applying her program like me, right?
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I know my experience, and it was good. As to "all these kids" - AARC has had HUNDREDS of kids go through there, and I doubt more than 10 have posted on this site saying anything negative. Compare that to the huge majority of Straight or KIDS victims who have come out against those places. How long were those horror shows open? AARC has been around for almost 16 years! Where are the "abused" except for a few vocal people on this forum - the most vocal of which has never stepped foot in the building. Seems strange to me.
If AARC is abusive it should be closed down. I was not abused.
You don't know who I speak with away from these boards.
Are you going to answer the questions or just use your 'frustration' as an excuse not to? Usually when ya'll get stumped its something along the lines of 'you're a disgruntled druggie/dry drunk. it's not worth a response".
Yeah, right. If you believe in your program so much, if it really saved your life, lets hear it. It should certainly be able to stand up to the scrutiny of the likes of some angry loser who's obviously not applying her program like me, right?
Why would I get drawn into a debate where you have made up your mind? It is not up to me to label you or anyone a "druggie", or to judge your "program" It is not my job to convince you or anyone about whether AARC is effective or abusive or anything. I am letting you know it was good for me. Others can post whatever they like. Sadly, it is often abusive and harsh. I am not stumped, but I do not speak on matters I am unqualified to speak about. Talking in generalities about many people I do not know is unfair, and frankly, dishonest. I do continue to wonder at how few people with direct experience speak out against AARC if it is so horrible.
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Why would I get drawn into a debate where you have made up your mind? It is not up to me to label you or anyone a "druggie", or to judge your "program" It is not my job to convince you or anyone about whether AARC is effective or abusive or anything. I am letting you know it was good for me. Others can post whatever they like. Sadly, it is often abusive and harsh. I am not stumped, but I do not speak on matters I am unqualified to speak about. Talking in generalities about many people I do not know is unfair, and frankly, dishonest. I do continue to wonder at how few people with direct experience speak out against AARC if it is so horrible.
I'm in direct contact with various people who have been in at various times. Not much about any of their stories changes between them. And they don't know each other, or even about each other.
If you're going to go on a website in defense of AARC, claiming it 'saved your life' and it is "not abusive', then you're going to be asked to back up those claims. If you can't, just say so but don't twist things back around on us. Taht's called deflection. This isn't AARC. That shit doesn't work here.
I'm asking you a direct question in response to what you posted. You said that kids were free to walk out the door if they wanted to. I asked if that meant that AARC was 100% voluntary. If you did indeed have this personal experience with AARC that you're so proud of, I'd think you'd be able to answer at least that one.
What would happen to kids who did not believe they had a problem? How was denial handled?
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I know my experience, and it was good. As to "all these kids" - AARC has had HUNDREDS of kids go through there, and I doubt more than 10 have posted on this site saying anything negative. Compare that to the huge majority of Straight or KIDS victims who have come out against those places. How long were those horror shows open? AARC has been around for almost 16 years! Where are the "abused" except for a few vocal people on this forum - the most vocal of which has never stepped foot in the building. Seems strange to me.
If AARC is abusive it should be closed down. I was not abused.
The point of these kind of posts is to try to play damage control, which someone would do out of fear of outside interest. But it's slightly wasted key strokes. Any person outside of the cult who has been following AARC knows that staff members, graduates, and those who have escaped have all told the same stories. They know that we did not have the choice to leave, and the Calgary police and social services know that as well. It's laughable that an AARC member would then try to hide that.
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Anne is asking about what you saw:
- what would happen if a "client" decided to leave?
- How did they handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?
And guest you can talk behind backs, it's ok...
The wizard got his degree from the Union institute, same as Newton?
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See that is the great thing about being free to do as I please. I don't have to do what you, Anne, or anyone else demands that I do. As I have said, I only have the right to talk about my experience. You can attempt to browbeat and bully all you like. I also asked direct questions which you choose to ignore, go right ahead.
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See that is the great thing about being free to do as I please. I don't have to do what you, Anne, or anyone else demands that I do. As I have said, I only have the right to talk about my experience. You can attempt to browbeat and bully all you like. I also asked direct questions which you choose to ignore, go right ahead.
I'm not demanding anything sweetie. I'm asking for your opinions, what you saw, what you experienced. Again, YOU came HERE. WE didn't come looking for YOU so if you're going to post in defense of your program if you're going to make silly claims like kids can leave whenever they please, you WILL be asked to back those up. If you can't, just say so. There's no shame in it.
This turned out just as I expected. When you start pinning them down to specifics, they run or clam up. Sure, they can throw out all the generalities, hit all the talking points, use all the fun buzzwords but god forbid they engage in any real conversation about it. Ya know, the two way kind where we ask each other questions and the other answers.
Now you run along, secure in the knowledge that all is well in the land of Oz. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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And ask me anything. I must have missed yours.
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What questions? Really I probably missed it.
Like I said no one is asking about anything other then what you saw, nothing else. I'm not trying to bully you and I doubt anyone else is, just asking about what you mentioned earlier. You don't have to answer any questions, but why be here if you don't want to talk about anything?
So again Anne is asking about what you saw:
* what would happen if a "client" decided to leave?
* How did they handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?
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Huh... that's a new one. I've seen some pretty interesting attempts at dissembling here, but this is takes the cake. We were allowed to leave?!?!?!?!
You know that is not even close to true. Maybe the +18 kids who signed themselves in (even though at least a few kids in my group had a hard time leaving when they turned 18). But certainly, none of us under 18 could leave. And it's not like we didn't try.
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How long were those horror shows open? AARC has been around for almost 16 years!
Ms. Bonney, correct me if I'm wrong, but here is how I understand it. Officially Straight was opened in 1976 and officially it closed in 1993. So that there is 17 years. SAFE Inc. and Pathway Family Centre were both opened by Straight officials under new names with many of the same inmates on the same day that their respective Straight franchises were closed down. Both of those are still open.
So, having been around for 16 years doesn't save AARC from the scrutiny of the law. Indeed, it should be a lot easier from here for us in Canada than it ever was in the States. Here what AARC does is clearly illegal, and they know it. It is called kidnapping. If your parents locked you in their basement for 6-18 months, it would be a crime. It is still a crime if they hire someone to do the same.
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Ms. Bonney, correct me if I'm wrong, but here is how I understand it. Officially Straight was opened in 1976 and officially it closed in 1993. So that there is 17 years. SAFE Inc. and Pathway Family Centre were both opened by Straight officials under new names with many of the same inmates on the same day that their respective Straight franchises were closed down. Both of those are still open.
Yeah, those are correct I think. 1993 is when they 'closed'. (Yeah right, sure :roll: ) 1976 I believe was when Straight officially split off from the Seed. Funny, then the reason given for splitting from the Seed was to create a 'kinder, gentler' version. Just like AARC, HLA and all the others claim to be. We see how well THAT worked out.
So, having been around for 16 years doesn't save AARC from the scrutiny of the law. Indeed, it should be a lot easier from here for us in Canada than it ever was in the States. Here what AARC does is clearly illegal, and they know it. It is called kidnapping. If your parents locked you in their basement for 6-18 months, it would be a crime. It is still a crime if they hire someone to do the same.
Yep, that's what is so unbelievable about this. If parents did the kind of shit that programs do, they'd be locked up but quick. For abuse. Why is it OK for programs to do what parents are legally prevented from doing?
SAFE in Orlando opened up the same day that Straight closed there. In the same building. With the same staff. But it wasn't Straight. :roll: Pathway, Growing Together, KIDS, AARC. Jesus fucking christ. That was one of the hardest things to fathom when I first found these boards. I thought the nightmare ended when Straight "closed". How wrong I was.
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Is that you again David?
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[Please don't waste your time feeling sorry for me! I have a good life, great kids, loving spouse. I make great money at a job I love. I have been sober for a long time. AARc was good for me, but I have little contact with them. I know everyone has their own perspective on AARC. Mine is good. But it was also just one year in my life. I don't blame them for the bad things that have happened since then, or celebrate them for the good things that have happened.[/quote]
David it is you!
For those of you following at home, David let his mother put him in AARC when he was a full-grown adult. His step-dad brought AARC to Calgary. David later wrote a book consisting of prevarications about AARC with a little homoerotic worship of his cult leader thrown in for fun.
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David it is you!
For those of you following at home, David let his mother put him in AARC when he was a full-grown adult. His step-dad brought AARC to Calgary, and then he wrote a book consisting of prevarications about AARC with a little homoerotic worship of his cult leader thrown in for fun.
::bwahaha::
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[Why would I get drawn into a debate where you have made up your mind? It is not up to me to label you or anyone a "druggie", or to judge your "program" It is not my job to convince you or anyone about whether AARC is effective or abusive or anything. I am letting you know it was good for me. Others can post whatever they like. Sadly, it is often abusive and harsh. I am not stumped, but I do not speak on matters I am unqualified to speak about. Talking in generalities about many people I do not know is unfair, and frankly, dishonest. I do continue to wonder at how few people with direct experience speak out against AARC if it is so horrible.
Now what is abusive and/or harsh? The Wizard worked at Kids. The Wizard was set to run Kids in Calgary. The Wizard did not attempt to have Kids closed after he saw what went on there.
The Wizard is not a psychologist, but he has often lied about being one. The Wizard refers to himself as "doctor", but he got a PhD paper from a diploma mill, the same one that gave Miller Newton his PhD. The Wizard wrote his PhD paper about AARC, the place he started and was running at the time. At this time AARC had only been open a couple of years, meaning that there were very few graduates, so what would be the basis of any legitimate research? As the Wizard was running the centre he could not very well have been doing research. And who the fuck writes a PhD dissertation about a project they started and run themselves? The Wizard has no academic qualifications whatsoever to treat drug addiction. The Wizard used former prisoners of Kids as his initial group of peer counsellors. These people had no training other than having been in Kids. The Wizard used a number of other clients of the Union Institute, his diploma mill alma mater, to sell AARC to the Legislature of Alberta. The Wizard now uses a study that he wrote, along with a staffer who was an inmate of AARC as an ADULT, to sell AARC. This study was also created with the help of yet another UNION INSTITUTE crony of the Wizard's. The Wizard uses the same techniques that were used in Kids and Straight, from the raps to the host home scam.
As the papers and television in Calgary have sold AARC for over fifteen years, to whom would one speak out? The same goes for our judiciary, where a certain zeppellinesque judge sent children to AARC. And the police are complicit because they have illegally returned children to AARC. And the politicians have backed it as well. One vulgar, semi-verbal but relentless little swindler sold his machine that turns bullshit into gold to everybody who could advance his agenda, and now these people have to back All About Receiving Cash, or they look like fools.
These facts about All About Receiving Cash will be posted over and over again on this site until AARC is a thing of the past like it's ancestors Straight and Kids.
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How come no-one addresses this point? If AARC was so consistently horrible, I'd love to see a list of so-called "victims". Help me to believe.
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Sorry guest, but you have this forum confused with a religious phenomenon. If you're looking for someone to help you believe, why don't you have a sit-down with the Wizard? Now out of the three hundred odd grads, (we won't count all of the kids who escaped, or whose families couldn't/wouldn't pay anymore) at least two have committed suicide in jail, one ran down and killed a man while drunk, one beat a hooker to death and one is doing time for assaulting an old man to get money for crack. These are graduates who underwent a full regimen of the Wizard's magic treatment. Read the posts from Mel or Rachel or my Special Lady Friend, or Penner'sdaddy and add them to the list. But you won't need a list of victims. One or two of the more heinous cases will do to close the place down once the matter hits the courts. Sorry nobody could help you to believe, but you could always try Scientology.
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Put your big words to use then AJAX13! Ha.
It would be closed, yet it's endorsed by the police and every other big wig in this city. AARC ain't going nowhere....that's what kills you...oh but wait. You've never even seen the inside of the walls...that's right.
Couldn't/shouldn't you put your energy somewhere else? Like world famine, hell go to iraq and fight a real cause. At least you'd have more back up than this sad blog.
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Where to start with this JC? Straight was endorsed by the Reagans. As you're pro-AARC, I'm going to assume you're fairly ignorant, so I'll explain to you who the Reagans were. Ronald was the president of the United States of America from 1980 to 1988, and Nancy was his wife. Straight was the program that spawned Kids, where Mr. Fakedoctorvause apprenticed in child abuse, unlawful confinement, fraud and brainwashing. Straight has been closed down. Do you think that the list of Calgary's supercreeps from the Empress on down draws more water than Ronald and Nancy Reagan? If I had seen the inside of the walls as a client it is highly doubtful that I would have all of my faculties intact. You see I don't lie down while someone tears me apart, so AARC would have had to break me, like they do to independent-thinking intelligent people. There are enough people running around Iraq murdering one another in the name of all manner of causes, they don't need me over there. You on the other hand, as a believer in higher powers and propaganda, might do well to join up and embrace an IED.
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Where to start with this JC? Straight was endorsed by the Reagans. As you're pro-AARC, I'm going to assume you're fairly ignorant, so I'll explain to you who the Reagans were. Ronald was the president of the United States of America from 1980 to 1988, and Nancy was his wife. Straight was the program that spawned Kids, where Mr. Fakedoctorvause apprenticed in child abuse, unlawful confinement, fraud and brainwashing. Straight has been closed down. Do you think that the list of Calgary's supercreeps from the Empress on down draws more water than Ronald and Nancy Reagan? If I had seen the inside of the walls as a client it is highly doubtful that I would have all of my faculties intact. You see I don't lie down while someone tears me apart, so AARC would have had to break me, like they do to independent-thinking intelligent people. There are enough people running around Iraq murdering one another in the name of all manner of causes, they don't need me over there. You on the other hand, as a believer in higher powers and propaganda, might do well to join up and embrace an IED.
Ajax, while I appreciate your intelligence and diligence in seeking out and dispensing the reality of AARC, I'm afraid its lost on the programmed. Critical thinking skills have been suspended in favor of the party line. Things like 'independent tought' and 'human rights' mean nothing to these people. For them, the end justifies the means. We all MUST have 'deserved' to be there. Without saying it, they're actually acknowledging that it was extreme, to say the very least. Fringe, things that 'normal folk' wouldn't understand. Because afterall, they're druggies right?
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But you still can't say where all this blogging is getting you....nowhere maybe? All this abuse, not reported? Not investigated? Cuz as I said. Where is it in the news? Nowhere, that's where. If there were validity to all the abuse of the abusers themselves, then this would be a case. But alas, it's just a blog...
There are three of you mainly on here balking back and forth to whomever may find in and add their 2 cents...is that fun for you? Cuz that's what it's become to me. You're right that I'm a loser to keep loging on to read it...but like I said before...this is all you have? THis is your vice? THis is the only place that you can your words out? No one else will listen? Why is that? I don't know you're experiences, so I can't say they didn't happen. But there are always different versions...so why is yours the one going unheard...er..at least just hear/read on here?
Hmmmm....
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But you still can't say where all this blogging is getting you....nowhere maybe? All this abuse, not reported? Not investigated? Cuz as I said. Where is it in the news? Nowhere, that's where. If there were validity to all the abuse of the abusers themselves, then this would be a case. But alas, it's just a blog...
For now. It was only a blog when we started. Programs have been closed. Miller Newton has millions in judgements against him. He's been run out of every place he's tried to 'counsel' people. When I was in, group was 350 strong. Show me ANY of these places that are getting those numbers.
Small steps Ellie, small steps.
There are three of you mainly on here balking back and forth to whomever may find in and add their 2 cents...is that fun for you? Cuz that's what it's become to me. You're right that I'm a loser to keep loging on to read it...but like I said before...this is all you have? THis is your vice? THis is the only place that you can your words out? No one else will listen? Why is that? I don't know you're experiences, so I can't say they didn't happen. But there are always different versions...so why is yours the one going unheard...er..at least just hear/read on here?
Hmmmm....
Hmmm. If it's so unimportant, why do you feel the need to keep coming back and refuting anything we say? If its so un-important, why have lawsuits been brought about (albeit other programs, but AARC's time is coming) because of the communication and connections people have made here? You can dismiss us all you want if it makes you feel better, but things are happening. Some apparent, some not. Most of the good work is done behind the scenes. Stay tuned. I think you'll find the next few years interesting.
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It takes time to take action against such claims against AARC? I see... Okay, fine. I'll wait. But until then I'll keep supporting them. Innocent until proven guilty right? Not until some kids on a blog site say they should be shut down. Or they're like all the rest. If it's proven and all your 'behind the scenes" work pays off. I'll kudos you to the moon...but for now...it's ex-addicts pointing fingers on a blog.
Take care now.
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It takes time to take action against such claims against AARC? I see... Okay, fine. I'll wait. But until then I'll keep supporting them. Innocent until proven guilty right? Not until some kids on a blog site say they should be shut down. Or they're like all the rest. If it's proven and all your 'behind the scenes" work pays off. I'll kudos you to the moon...but for now...it's ex-addicts pointing fingers on a blog.
Take care now.
Mmm hmm. I didn't expect anything else. You guys are so predictable.
So, now that I've fully answered your questions, how about answering mine?
What happens if a kid insists on leaving? How is that handled?
What happens if a kid refuses to admit to a drug/alcohol/food/sex problem? What do you do to convince them that they are in dire need of your "help"?
I'll be holding my breath for an answer.
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Is forced or coerced 'therapy' something you believe is useful and effective?
Just curious.
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JC, why are you posting here? As you keep reiterating, nobody reads this and no one has a legitimate complaint against AARC. What gives? Anyhow, tell us that part about you and the Wizard getting "stuck in", it still thrills me to the core!
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So, now that I've fully answered your questions, how about answering mine?
What happens if a kid insists on leaving? How is that handled?
What happens if a kid refuses to admit to a drug/alcohol/food/sex problem? What do you do to convince them that they are in dire need of your "help"?
I'll be holding my breath for an answer.
Why is no one willing to answer these questions!
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So you read an article on Andy Evans and you think you know it all!!! Sober Andy was a great person!! He got alot out of his time at A.A.R.C he made the choices, It has nothing do with A.A.R.C! Andrew Mazer , who ever else you people are talking about made there own choices!! And A.A.R.C did not make up what you are born with it is genetic!! And useing drugs and alcohol changes you as a person!! Anyone living in that knows how you change!! We are born this way and it was being tought way before aarc was around, so to put the blame on a great place who I personally watched that staff give there all to help these people you are useing to put a bad name on aarc makes me sick.. you people need to get a life get out of denile and start taking resposibility for yourself and yr own lifes!! Cuz the only person that can do that is u!! A.A.R.C is a great place they cant help what we graduates decide 2 do once we leave, I have realapsed a few times and It was only my choice to not use the great tools they tought me... And somtimes the concicuenses are larger than others but I was the only one to blame.
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I have seen people grind up crack, mix it with vinegar and slam it into their veins. I have seen people who have been eating morphine tablets and smoking crack without sleep for four days at a time. I've seen people addicted to opiates like codeine who ate thirty codeine pills a day. When I was in high school I worked in a grocery warehouse with an old fellow who drank a mickey of rye at lunch hour, every day. I once worked on a golf course with a Korean War vet who had been shot to pieces at Kapyong and who drank a mickey of rye by first coffee every morning. But I've never seen anyone, or known anyone, who killed a woman and dumped her body because they drank or used drugs. And I don't think that a judge is going to buy the story of Mr. Evans being a super guy who suffered from a disease that made him murder people.
Since the goal of AARC is total abstinence, rather than dealing with psychological issues that may induce a person to abuse alcohol, I don't see that the tools AARC teaches are so great. Every single AARC person I have met "relapses", so the Victorian purity of abstinence doesn't seem to be a sound outcome for AARCies.
Thank you though Melissa, for weighing in from the corner of cutting edge research in adolescent addictions medicine.
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I have seen people grind up crack, mix it with vinegar and slam it into their veins. I have seen people who have been eating morphine tablets and smoking crack without sleep for four days at a time. I've seen people addicted to opiates like codeine who ate thirty codeine pills a day. When I was in high school I worked in a grocery warehouse with an old fellow who drank a mickey of rye at lunch hour, every day. I once worked on a golf course with a Korean War vet who had been shot to pieces at Kapyong and who drank a mickey of rye by first coffee every morning. But I've never seen anyone, or known anyone, who killed a woman and dumped her body because they drank or used drugs. And I don't think that a judge is going to buy the story of Mr. Evans being a super guy who suffered from a disease that made him murder people.
Since the goal of AARC is total abstinence, rather than dealing with psychological issues that may induce a person to abuse alcohol, I don't see that the tools AARC teaches are so great. Every single AARC person I have met "relapses", so the Victorian purity of abstinence doesn't seem to be a sound outcome for AARCies.
Thank you though Melissa, for weighing in from the corner of cutting edge research in adolescent addictions medicine.
Even though two Alberta psychiatrists found that at the time the accused was in a "drug-induced psychosis"
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonto ... 71455.html (http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2007/10/12/4571455.html)
the Edmonton Jury declined to say that the accused was not criminally responsible -- in other words they just did not buy the idea that drugs make you do something you would not otherwise do you are responsible for your actions. No higher power there.
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So you read an article on Andy Evans and you think you know it all!!! Sober Andy was a great person!! He got alot out of his time at A.A.R.C he made the choices, It has nothing do with A.A.R.C! Andrew Mazer , who ever else you people are talking about made there own choices!! And A.A.R.C did not make up what you are born with it is genetic!! And useing drugs and alcohol changes you as a person!! Anyone living in that knows how you change!! We are born this way and it was being tought way before aarc was around, so to put the blame on a great place who I personally watched that staff give there all to help these people you are useing to put a bad name on aarc makes me sick.. you people need to get a life get out of denile and start taking resposibility for yourself and yr own lifes!! Cuz the only person that can do that is u!! A.A.R.C is a great place they cant help what we graduates decide 2 do once we leave, I have realapsed a few times and It was only my choice to not use the great tools they tought me... And somtimes the concicuenses are larger than others but I was the only one to blame.
So what are these great tools? Are you going to confront yourself for a day or two? Are you going to put your self on zero club and find some ass that can act as oldcomer so you can ask for permission to wipe your own ass? Good luck finding some unintelligent person who would lock you in their bed room at night and keep you from escaping.
Ya know thinking about about the "aarc tools" shows that the only thing they teach is how to abdicate thinking to some third party.
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Tools
1.) We admitted we were powerless over alcohol--that our lives had become unmanageable.
I screwed up and relapsed. Lucky I'm not deadinsaneorinjail. I am out of control and have no accountability for anything I do because I was drunk/high at the time.
2.) Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
I relapsed and have to go back to AARC because they saved my life so far and are the only ones who can continue to save my life.
3.) Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
See number two.
4.) Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Just add recent screw-up/relapse onto previous moral inventory.
5.) Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Admit to AARC, peer and clinical counsellers as well as all the other clients the exact nature of how the rest of our lives was nothing but bad because we've become nothing but the drug/alcohol. Admit that even the bad stuff that happened to us was our own fault.
6.) Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Again, see number two
7.) Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Guess they weren't removed good enough last time, cause I screwed up/relapsed, next time I'll be deadinsaneorinjail
8.) Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Unless it's persons in the AARC program because they are responsible for anything bad that happened to them
9.) Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
See number eight
10.) Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
See number four
11.) Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Attend more meetings at AARC
12.) Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Having had no contact with the outside world, deprived an education and exposed to months of repeated dogma could be seen as a "spiritual awakening" and we're easily convinced to carry this message and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
A'men
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Tools
1.) We admitted we were powerless over alcohol--that our lives had become unmanageable.
I screwed up and relapsed. Lucky I'm not deadinsaneorinjail. I am out of control and have no accountability for anything I do because I was drunk/high at the time.
2.) Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
I relapsed and have to go back to AARC because they saved my life so far and are the only ones who can continue to save my life.
3.) Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
See number two.
4.) Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Just add recent screw-up/relapse onto previous moral inventory.
5.) Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Admit to AARC, peer and clinical counsellers as well as all the other clients the exact nature of how the rest of our lives was nothing but bad because we've become nothing but the drug/alcohol. Admit that even the bad stuff that happened to us was our own fault.
6.) Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Again, see number two
7.) Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Guess they weren't removed good enough last time, cause I screwed up/relapsed, next time I'll be deadinsaneorinjail
8.) Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Unless it's persons in the AARC program because they are responsible for anything bad that happened to them
9.) Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
See number eight
10.) Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
See number four
11.) Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Attend more meetings at AARC
12.) Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Having had no contact with the outside world, deprived an education and exposed to months of repeated dogma could be seen as a "spiritual awakening" and we're easily convinced to carry this message and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
A'men
Can I go to the bathroom now?