Save Our Society is a anti-drug legislation lobbying group founded by Drug Free America Foundation co-founders Betty Sembler and Calvina L. Fay in response to the victory of drug legalization and medical marijuana referendums in various states. [edit] Inaccurate Statements
In response to legislation called Truth in Trials Act, which would establish a medical marijuana defense in accordance with the laws of states that allow it, Save Our Society has propagated demonstrably false information.[1]
The Food and Drug Administration and medical community decide on questions of medicine – not special interest groups, not individuals and never public opinion. Modern medicine relies on proven scientific research, not votes. All major American health organizations in this country have rejected smoked marijuana as medicine. We cannot allow a legal loophole for those arrested in conjunction with marijuana. [2]
In fact, a number of prominent health organizations, including Health Canada, Canada's equivalent to the Department of Health and Human Services, as well as various state medical boards, have come out in support of medical marijuana.[3]
The statement that only the FDA regulates medicines is disingenuous at best, duplicitous at worst. While the FDA approves drugs, if deemed to contain a controlled substance, their distribution and subsequent drug schedule are decided by the DEA, not by anyone involved in practicing medicine. It also ignores the fact that in states where medical marijuana is legal, it is necessary to obtain a doctors recommendation in order to obtain it, meaning the abuse or misuse of recommendations falls solely on the backs of doctors, just like the abuse of legal painkillers such as Oxycontin or Vicodin.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2007, 04:31:34 PM
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Mrs. Sembler is Founder of the Drug-Free America Foundation. Since 1976 when she was one of ten founding members of Straight, Inc., Ms. Sembler has dedicated her time to fighting the war on drugs. She is founder and president of S.O.S., Save Our Society from Drugs whose mission is to defeat efforts to legalize Schedule 1 drugs. She has served her country as the wife of the U.S. Ambassador to Australia and Italy.
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2007, 04:47:13 PM
Are you opposed to a drug free America?
C'mon, tell me you don't think it's healthy for people to take drugs? :-?
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2007, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Are you opposed to a drug free America?
Vehemently
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C'mon, tell me you don't think it's healthy for people to take drugs? :-?
I think its perfectly healthy for people to seek out and consume drugs.
Howzat? :smokin: ::bandit:: :wave:
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2007, 04:58:21 PM
Drugs are drugs. Slap a label on it and sell it at the local RX, or get it off the street, it's all just a matter of a pretty little package and the words "legal" and "illegal".
Frankly I don't care for pot, but when faced with severe pain, you can hand me a Morphine any day, and no matter how you slice it, I am still taking drugs.
Some of these drugs, which some people would like to keep illegal, have been being used in prescription drugs for years.
It all comes down to money. If it's illegal, the drug companies, government, and insurance companies aren't getting their cut.
Can you give me a better argument?
Just because it came in a bottle, approved by the FDA, prescribed by the doctor, distributed by the RX, doesn't mean I can still get into my car and drive on it. How many people would you venture to guess are out on the roads every day, higher than a kite on prescribed drugs? And who do "you" think those people are? Your friends, neighbors, sisters, brothers? Hmmm
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2007, 11:37:18 PM
you cant patent a weed. thats part of DuPont's original reason to regulate it, and half the reason it's still illegal.
you can get marinol and soon maybe even sativex. it's all legal weed products. but, as everyone who's compared them to the real thing, they are overpowering and useless, and everyone knows that the people making those drugs, along with hundreds of other drugs will be out of bussiiness quick. it's common medical knowledge that marijuana is practically a cure-all. aside from all the benificial effects it has on cancer, aids, glaucoma, etc. patients, it also works great for killing headaches, motion sickness, gastrointestinal distress, a sleep aid and anxiety remedy, and also works wonders for arthiritis, back pain, diabetes and diabetes related pain, PTSD, depression, you name it and the good weed can probably help. marijuana, if legalized, would take 90% of our pharmecuticals off the shelves, people will simply stop buying them.
take for example Asprin. for millions of years, people have used various species of willow tree for a variety of uses, it's active ingredient being Salicylic acid. this natural form of asprin's only known side effect besides from overdose is minor digestive discomfort. the willow tree, and therefore slicylic acid are not patentable, therefore no one can really make much money off of it. it's a natural product, people can get it in their backyard. lo and behold, in the 19th century some guys working for bayer figured out that if you change salicylic acid into acetylsalicylic acid you can patent it, and make money off of it. the goverment aproved this, because it will generate more money "for the greater good", even though acetylsalicylic acid had a much higher side-effect profile than it's natural cousin - it cause reyes syndrome, platlet depletion, kidney problems, and a much much lower l.d.-50 to boot.
personally, i trust mother nature much more than some scientist in a lab. nature has a much better track record, by far. in fact, it nature's genius makes humans look like blundering idiots - which we all in fact are.
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Post by: Froderik on September 04, 2007, 12:29:23 AM
Then why do I get the impression that society is still dragging its feet or just apathetic about getting mj legalized? Are people just too stoned to give a fuck if it's legal or not? Or maybe people are making efforts, but there's just too damn much resistance and opposition?
I've known about LEAP for a while now (people have been posting that link on here for years.) Why can't the judges and cops who are active within that organization and in favor of decriminalizing drugs get anywhere and get these stupid fucking laws changed? What's going on? I'd like to see it legal in every goddam state of the union, especially mine!
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Post by: Froderik on September 04, 2007, 12:37:41 AM
Hmm.. I see someone recently posted something interesting on this topic:
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 10:10:14 AM
I'm guessing the not making weed legal is down to the studies linking it to mental health issues later on in life? (Don't shout "propoganda" at me, it's a fact we all know it)
I do know that in the UK driving under the influence of drugs is on the rise, its becoming a real problem, lots of accidents happen because of....that doesn't just mean street drugs, also valium, prozacs, anti depresants etc ... does that mean more people are getting caught, or the doctors don't have resources anymore to send ppl for therapy so are handing out mothers little helpers more and more often? i don't know, but I sure as hell would end up in jail if someone under the influence of anything hit my kid with a car.
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 10:17:17 AM
That sounds worse than exhausted!!
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Froderik on September 04, 2007, 10:20:14 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I'm guessing the not making weed legal is down to the studies linking it to mental health issues later on in life? (Don't shout "propoganda" at me, it's a fact we all know it)
I do know that in the UK driving under the influence of drugs is on the rise, its becoming a real problem, lots of accidents happen because of....that doesn't just mean street drugs, also valium, prozacs, anti depresants etc ... does that mean more people are getting caught, or the doctors don't have resources anymore to send ppl for therapy so are handing out mothers little helpers more and more often? i don't know, but I sure as hell would end up in jail if someone under the influence of anything hit my kid with a car.
So don't drive while you're high..?
What mental issues later in life? Ok, what about alcohol??
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 10:32:46 AM
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I'm guessing the not making weed legal is down to the studies linking it to mental health issues later on in life? (Don't shout "propoganda" at me, it's a fact we all know it)
I do know that in the UK driving under the influence of drugs is on the rise, its becoming a real problem, lots of accidents happen because of....that doesn't just mean street drugs, also valium, prozacs, anti depresants etc ... does that mean more people are getting caught, or the doctors don't have resources anymore to send ppl for therapy so are handing out mothers little helpers more and more often? i don't know, but I sure as hell would end up in jail if someone under the influence of anything hit my kid with a car.
PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK now that i've done that. You mentioned it's a FACT that weed causes mental health ISSUES. If it were a fact then it would be concerning specfic mental health issues. Not just "issues". So please do present your facts otherwise you are just SPOUTING Propaganda.
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
That's HORRIBLE! we should outlaw marijuana IMMEDIATELY! OMG! :evil: :evil:
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Ursus on September 04, 2007, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
If I had to choose between Depression vs. Alzheimer's, I think I'd opt for the former, ha ha! That said, does anyone know what usage level allegedly heightens that possibility?
Related but separate comment: it seems pretty obvious to me, from a common sense standpoint, that a lot of these pharmacologically beneficial compounds do their business best, and/or with less serious side effects, when presented in their original, less pure format. Could this possibly be due to -- -- the presence of synergistic compounds acting in concert with, or as mitigating factors of, the compounds of primary interest? Believe me, I'll be the first to chime in on the side of evolution being less than perfect; after all, it is, by definition, still a work in progress. But things generally evolve a certain way for a reason...
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Froderik on September 04, 2007, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
That's HORRIBLE! we should outlaw marijuana IMMEDIATELY! OMG! :evil: :evil:
I think the point was that it does just the opposite (concerning the "mental issues" propaganda).
I'll never stop smoking weed for good if I can help it... I can't say the same for alcohol (though I do like to drink. too).
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Froderik on September 04, 2007, 11:11:11 AM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Related but separate comment: it seems pretty obvious to me, from a common sense standpoint, that a lot of these pharmacologically beneficial compounds do their business best, and/or with less serious side effects, when presented in their original, less pure format. Could this possibly be due to -- -- the presence of synergistic compounds acting in concert with, or as mitigating factors of, the compounds of primary interest? Believe me, I'll be the first to chime in on the side of evolution being less than perfect; after all, it is, by definition, still a work in progress. But things generally evolve a certain way for a reason...
Ursus, you sound like a smart person... perhaps you could get started on whipping up a batch of pure LSD (we could always use more suppliers...)
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 11:48:23 AM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
That's HORRIBLE! we should outlaw marijuana IMMEDIATELY! OMG! :evil: :evil:
I think the point was that it does just the opposite (concerning the "mental issues" propaganda).
I'll never stop smoking weed for good if I can help it... I can't say the same for alcohol (though I do like to drink. too).
LOL Yes I know, hence my SARCASM... Stopping Alzheimer's is a GOOD thing. Is this thing ON or WHAT? :P :P
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Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 12:11:12 PM
the study isnt anything new, it's decades old and was published in the lancet via parlamentary request, to spread....you guessed it....propaganda.
the study has many obvious flaws which they always miss, the concept of "what came first, the chicken or the egg" applies. they claim the a good percentage of people who smoke pot have metal problems. they never said pot CAUSES mental problems. could it be that people started smoking in order to deal with and help with their problems? also they studied brits, people who have a higher rate of mental illness than any other country, and also the rate of mis-diagnoses is very high for britain's mental illness, and mental illness in general.
and even if it cause schizofrenia, it's debateable on weather thats a good thing or a bad thing, there is alot or recent studies with describe szhizophrenics as having e.s.p rather than plain old hallucinations or voices, that schozophrenics are accutaly able to understand the world at a higher frequency than us "normal" humans can.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
and even if it cause schizofrenia, it's debateable on weather thats a good thing or a bad thing, there is alot or recent studies with describe szhizophrenics as having e.s.p rather than plain old hallucinations or voices, that schozophrenics are accutaly able to understand the world at a higher frequency than us "normal" humans can.
My friends and I agree with this! Isn't that right, Jesus...? Lou...?
Quote from: ""Jesus""
Yes.
Quote from: ""Lucifer""
Uh huh...hehehe.
See?
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Post by: Mummie on September 04, 2007, 12:56:48 PM
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could it be that people started smoking in order to deal with and help with their problems?
Good question. Let's ponder......................
Title: u~
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 08:59:19 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Are you opposed to a drug free America?
C'mon, tell me you don't think it's healthy for people to take drugs? :-?
I'm "high" right now but you would never guess who I am. Some substances / plants labeled as "drugs" by some are medicine to others. Marijuana helps me think clearly far better than "aderall"(amphetamines) that are prescribed to me for ADHD.
What is more of a drug, a harsh chemical than can kill people and permanently change how they think, creating a physical dependancy, or marijuana, an herb that never killed a single human being, doesn't cause any long term change, can be consumed in a variety of controlled ways into the body, and does not have to be smoked?
When I go to the doctor and the doctor says "You must be on this medicine for the rest of your life"... is that not drug dependency?(but it's good dependency, right, because a doctor in a room full of drug company slogans and money in his pocket says so?!?!? Legal marijuana would kill drug companies, not to mention the "troubled teen industry") When I find a medicine that really does work for my ADHD, just because that "dependency" is not legal I take a risk of getting arrested and sent to treatment / jail?
Like another on this forum has said before, throwing people in jail for victimless crimes is tantamount to soviet re-education. Americans really do think they are free.
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2007, 02:28:22 AM
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Ursus, you sound like a smart person... perhaps you could get started on whipping up a batch of pure LSD (we could always use more suppliers...)
maybe thats not such great idea...1 sheet = life in federal penn (usually)....not to mention it's very tough to do. plus everyone has done acid, and it's common knowledge among psychonauts that acid is just a synthetic immitation of a true psychedlic revelatory experience, which can generally only be brought on by natural substances. you can experiment all you want with designer drugs [acid is one of thousands], but in my opinion true "shamanic" states where a meaningfull dialouge can take place can only be achieved through traditional methods (meditation, chanting, glossalia, fasting, pain, dreaming), or with a wide variety of natural substances (mushrooms, ayahuasca/dmt, iboga/ibogaine, marijuana, salvia, mg seeds, even plants in the Solanaceae family, although thats highly not reccomended). nowadays it's much more worthwhile to grow mushrooms.
take this analogy - think of your consciousness as simply you inside of your house. you've never been outside of that house, you know nothing of the outside world, other than what you can see though a tiny window. all you know is the house, and although you are aware of the outside world, you cannot even fathom the concept of what it actually is. trying to learn about the world is like trying to teach a 5-year-old calculus. the only way of experiencing this "outside world" is though the previously mentioned methods. you can choose how to find your way out and learn about the world. marijuana would make that little window a little bigger. maybe you can stick your head out if you try, but you can only see a little bit, and it's always the same thing. salvia will throw you out the back door, and then chase you around and chuck you back in the house. mushrooms would gently lead you out that front door, but wont let you stray very far. ayahuasca will give you an informative guided all-night tour of the world outside the house. with peyote some old guy will show up at your door looking to teach you infinite wisdom, but if you dont know the language or the customs he will infinitely decieve you. DMT will shoot you out off a cannon from your living room, destroying your whole house, you get a great view but then before you know it your back at home, only left with a fucked up house.
in this analogy, L.S.D is like watching reality television, or the discovery channel, or surfing the net.
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Post by: psy on September 05, 2007, 02:42:48 AM
Somebody just gave me that link. Interesting results. No reduction at all in driving ability.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2007, 02:43:58 AM
i know someone is going to try to shut me down on this point so lemme clear it up - mg seeds do in fact contain LSA, which is a precursor to LSD, and provides a somewhat simmilar experience. but LSA is acctually a group of chemicals, which all interact with each, not act alone to produce an effect. and they are natural, so you know exactly what you are getting.
I would also like to mention that yes, many previously thought synthetic drugs do in fact exist in nature, contrary to popular belief. for example, they have found amphetamines (including methamphetamine), along with mescaline, dmt, nmt, and a variety of other chemicals in a few varieties of acacias (a tree), which inconspicuously grow all over the world.
so to tie it back to the original topic...
PFADFA and all the anti-drug people can kiss my ass because they are all retarted. drugs are so common throughout nature that there is no possible way to keep people from feeling altered states of consiousness. weed is just one of thousands of very usefull botanical tools, there are thousands more documented ones, and many more that still have not been discovered. i mean, they just found DMT in a popular variety of lawn grass.
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2007, 05:20:44 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
in this analogy, L.S.D is like watching reality television, or the discovery channel, or surfing the net.
Apparently you've never had real acid.
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Froderik on September 05, 2007, 06:29:54 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
in this analogy, L.S.D is like watching reality television, or the discovery channel, or surfing the net.
Apparently you've never had real acid.
I would have to agree, although I found most of those analogies interesting...
And I wonder if the above poster has ever tried bromo-mescaline and what sort of analogy they might have for that?
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Post by: TheWho on September 05, 2007, 08:36:58 AM
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in this analogy, L.S.D is like watching reality television, or the discovery channel, or surfing the net.
Great analogies, although, I believe if you had tried “Orange Sunshineâ€
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2007, 11:17:25 AM
never tried bromo-mescaline, or window pane, or ald-53. i've tried a few types of acid, and i'm basing my analogy off of my own experiences and and extensive reading (i'm big on mckenna, wasson, schultes, etc) in the subject of indeginous shamanism. I'm sure acid back in the day when owsley and crew were making it was a much different drug back in the day. nowandays it's nearly impossible to find unless you're in a handfull of places, and the potency is low. i'm not saying that LSD can never produce a true ethneogenic experience. i'm saying more than likely you're going to get a somewhat biased and superfluous "psychedelic epiphany". as Terrence Mckenna once said:
"It is no great accomplishment to hear a voice in the head. The accomplishment is to make sure it is telling the truth, because the demons are of many kinds: "Some are made of ions, some of mind; the ones of ketamine, you'll find, stutter often and are blind." "
...
hmmmm...brown organic mescaline. sounds like it may have been some T. pachanoi or T. peruvianus extract....belive it or not you can get the stuff on the net. if done right though, i dont think it's like that, i think it's very usefull.
you can take psychedelics for a variety of reasons, but i think they should only be taken in learn, to become more in tune with the world. i dont see why anyone would take any psychedelics to filter out school. you'll have some very negative long-term effects on your psyche. i would understand taking them to learn more in school - i've personally taken mushrooms for philosophy class a number of times, but that was to more deeply understand, not drift off and escape. i think it's really disrespectfull to the people who genuinely use psychedelics for good, when people just take them "for fun" or "to escape".
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2007, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
in this analogy, L.S.D is like watching reality television, or the discovery channel, or surfing the net.
Apparently you've never had real acid.
:rofl:
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Antigen on September 05, 2007, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Are you opposed to a drug free America?
C'mon, tell me you don't think it's healthy for people to take drugs? :-?
C'mon, tell me you actually believe DFAF has ever done anything to actually reduce drug use or abuse. I know of a few thousand people who's drug habits were made problematic or who's drug problems were exacerbated by the activities of DFAF.
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2007, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Frankly I don't care for pot
:cry:
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Antigen on September 05, 2007, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: ""for Huffington Post, Maia Szalavitz""
... Watching the media cover marijuana is fascinating, offering deep insight into conventional wisdom, bias and failure to properly place science in context. The coverage of a new study claiming that marijuana increases the risk of later psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia by 40% displays many of these flaws.
What are the key questions reporters writing about such a study needs to ask? First, can the research prove causality? Most of the reporting here, to its credit, establishes at some point that it cannot, though you have to read pretty far down in some of it to understand this.
Second -- and this is where virtually all of the coverage falls flat -- if marijuana produces what seems like such a large jump in risk for schizophrenia, have schizophrenia rates increased in line with marijuana use rates? A quick search of Medline shows that this is not the case -- in fact, as I noted here earlier, some experts think they may actually have fallen. Around the world, roughly 1% of the population has schizophrenia (and another 2% or so have other psychotic disorders), and this proportion doesn't seem to change much. It is not correlated with population use rates of marijuana.
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Post by: TheWho on September 05, 2007, 02:20:44 PM
Quote from: ""Scarlett Chiclet""
Quote from: ""for Huffington Post, Maia Szalavitz""
... Watching the media cover marijuana is fascinating, offering deep insight into conventional wisdom, bias and failure to properly place science in context. The coverage of a new study claiming that marijuana increases the risk of later psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia by 40% displays many of these flaws.
What are the key questions reporters writing about such a study needs to ask? First, can the research prove causality? Most of the reporting here, to its credit, establishes at some point that it cannot, though you have to read pretty far down in some of it to understand this.
Second -- and this is where virtually all of the coverage falls flat -- if marijuana produces what seems like such a large jump in risk for schizophrenia, have schizophrenia rates increased in line with marijuana use rates? A quick search of Medline shows that this is not the case -- in fact, as I noted here earlier, some experts think they may actually have fallen. Around the world, roughly 1% of the population has schizophrenia (and another 2% or so have other psychotic disorders), and this proportion doesn't seem to change much. It is not correlated with population use rates of marijuana.
"Perhaps covering the marijuana beat makes you crazy."
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2007, 04:36:10 PM
i'm confused, what happened to thewho? i thought he was a right-winger.....does is he truly see able to see beyond the propaganda, or is he just pretending so he doesnt make a fuss? or is he pretending to gain credibility with us?
i hope he is for real...thewho has seen the light!
Title: u~
Post by: psy on September 07, 2007, 09:59:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
i'm confused, what happened to thewho? i thought he was a right-winger.....does is he truly see able to see beyond the propaganda, or is he just pretending so he doesnt make a fuss? or is he pretending to gain credibility with us?
i hope he is for real...thewho has seen the light!
Um. He sees the light but this particular species of vampire (*bow's politely to TheWho*) doesn't seem to mind sunlight. His daugher he sent to program is now astranged. He's basically the program parents from hell.
It is also my opinion that his job is what's commonly referred to as "bullshit marketing". It is also my opinion that he has "customers" in the industry. He's in damage control.
Money probably doesn't make it easy. Money takes away power over self. Whether the Who is sincerely just a mindlessly brainwashed program parent from hell, or simply a greedy bastard who doesn't care about kids is up to debate; since his stories about helping out orphanages in Romania seemed to be true and detailed, i have to conclude the guy does have a heart... somewhere, but as I said. Money:
Having regular customers means building up a dependency on that income. Given the amount of time TheWho spends on Fornits that leads me to the conclusion that TheWho is very much dependent on certain members of this industry. When that dependency conflicts with personal ethics, what wins? What's more important?
People change over time. Some grow wiser, some decide to compromise. The taste of power corrupts. Basic solution: make sure your work doesn't conflict with your personal ethics, or you'll wind up a soulless slave to greed.
Title: Re: u~
Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2007, 12:47:31 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
People change over time. Some grow wiser, some decide to compromise. The taste of power corrupts. Basic solution: make sure your work doesn't conflict with your personal ethics, or you'll wind up a soulless slave to greed.
thats one of the key principles i live my life by. i've seen too many good people become ruthless workaholic "bussinessmen" (more like conquistadors), too many great bands make shit music in the name of money, and too many good counselors get tied up in the wrong system/ideology. i've seen it happen over, and over, and over. the only thing that comes close to the decent into greed is the downward spiral of cocaine oblivion.....and i've vowed to never let that happen to me. I dont think many people who ever attened a program would ever let that happen to themselves - one of the few benifits of a benifitless system.
Title: Doing their best for your best interests
Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2007, 01:47:58 AM
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I dont think many people who ever attened a program would ever let that happen to themselves
Well, it happens. There was a girl who attended some Aspen program, ASR (http://http://www.academyatswiftriver.info) I think it was, that spent six months in there and immediately started using cocaine as soon as she got out.