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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 31, 2007, 09:55:26 AM
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We raise our kids to live by God's Law.If any of our kids don't follow God's law below,they are going to a program to be saved!
Catholic Parents OnLine
Examination of Conscience
Mortal Sins*
This examination of conscience is not intended merely as a checklist to be used prior to confession. The purpose of this examination is to help souls to know what actions or attitudes are sinful and the gravity of the particular sin. The hope is that this knowledge will serve to keep people from committing these sins.
* Three things are necessary for a sin to be mortal: 1. Serious matter (things listed on this sheet); 2. Knowledge or firm belief that the act is seriously wrong prior to committing the act; 3. Full consent of the will.
All three of these conditions must be present simultaneously for a sin to be mortal. This means that if you did not know the act was seriously wrong, then you are not guilty of having committed a mortal sin. If you did not will the act, e.g., if you were forced or if it was in a dream, you are not guilty of having committed a mortal sin. All mortal sins committed since your last confession must be confessed by both type and number, i.e., the title of the sin and how many times it was done. If there is a mortal sin from the past that was forgotten and has not been confessed, it should be confessed at your next confession. It is not necessary to confess venial sins, but it is a good and pious practice.
1. I am the Lord your God. You shall not have strange gods before me.
- Involvement in occult practices, e.g., witchcraft, ouija boards, seances, palm reading, tarot cards, hypnotism, divination, astrology, black magic, sorcery, etc.
- Involvement in or adherence to New Age or Eastern philosophies, atheism or agnosticism
- Apostasy (leaving the Church)
- Adherence to a schismatic group
- Putting faith in superstition, e.g., horoscopes, good luck charms, etc.
- Joining the Masons or other secret society
- Receiving Holy Communion in the state of mortal sin
- Receiving the Sacraments of Confirmation or Matrimony while in the state of mortal sin
- Willful participation in illicit (non-emergency) “General Absolutionâ€
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Willful engagement in unjust lawsuits.
Susan Scheff is going to hell!!!!!! LMFAO SO HARD!!!!!!
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Risk Factors for At-Risk Teens 1
by Rabbi Yakov Horowitz
11/17/06
Rabbi Horowitz:
With all the talk in recent years about at-risk teens, I often wonder what the risk factors really are. Everyone I speak to seems to have an opinion – with many of the items mentioned being contradictory to each other! I have heard that the main culprits are bad friends, Internet, poor parenting, uninvolved parents, overly involved parents, too much pressure, not enough demands, on and on ….
Others say that the teen crisis is a ‘gezeirah,’ an edict from Heaven, which would seem to indicate that there is little that we as parents and community members can do. Rabbi Horowitz, do you agree with that notion? I for one, hope that this assessment is incorrect. For if it is a gezeirah, what are we to do?
I would be most appreciative of you sharing your thoughts on this subject. Your reputation for candidly addressing topics of interest to the Jewish community makes me hopeful that you will pull no punches and address my question in the forthright manner in which you write these columns.
With much respect,
Dovid
Rabbi Horowitz Responds
Dovid:
Each and every child who abandons the faith of his or her parents represents a sea of tears and an endless string of sleepless nights for their family members. Today’s parents have challenges that no previous generation had to deal with – eroding morals in the general population, the exponential growth in technology, Internet, unprecedented freedom; the list seems to go on and on. But virtually every generation has had its unique difficulties. Raising children has never been easy, and no generation throughout our glorious history has been spared the agony of children deviating from the path of a Torah life charted by their parents.
Viewed from a historical perspective, the ‘drop-out’ rate from Orthodox Jewry in the past fifty years is far lower than it was during the tumultuous hundred years that preceded the generation of our parents – from 1850 to 1950. I would estimate that during the past few decades, about five to fifteen percent of children from observant homes left Yiddishkeit – which is far more than we would like to admit or believe. But bear in mind that the ‘drop-out’ rate was much, much higher in the Lower East Side at the turn of the century, in Yerushalayim in the Thirties and Forties, and in many Chassidish, Litvish, and Ashkenasic communities in pre-war Europe during the height of the haskalah – when communism, pogroms, and grinding poverty decimated the ranks of the frum community.
We make a strategic error, though, when we confuse challenges with gezeros. An earthquake is a gezera. Some illnesses may perhaps be considered gezeiros. A Torah Jew accepts, or rather tries to accept, a gezeirah with dignity and grace as the will of Hashem. Challenges, on the other hand, need to be honestly analyzed, addressed and overcome. Throwing up our hands and claiming that a challenge is a gezeirah often avoids the type of brutal and candid reflection that produces effective solutions. In fact, it is my experience that this mindset results in confused, reactionary and ineffective responses to challenges – often making a bad situation worse.
Dovid; you asked me not to pull any punches. Permit me then, to give you a brutally candid, real-life example of what I am referring to in the previous few paragraphs. Imagine that you live in a community where a few boys and girls have strayed from the path of Torah and engaged in at-risk behaviors. Parents and educators grow increasingly apprehensive and look for solutions. The question on everyone’s mind is how to address the concern that this may happen to their child(ren).
I would think that the wisest thing for community leaders to do would be to take the approach that a success oriented business owner would take in response to slipping market share. Commission a professional study, conduct exit interviews with customers who have taken their business elsewhere, and then sit down with the leadership team of the business and develop effective strategies to reverse the trend.
Over the past twenty years, I conducted hundreds of terribly painful ‘exit interviews’ with children and adults who have abandoned Yiddishkeit. I can tell you in no uncertain terms what it is that they wanted – and why they took their business elsewhere. They were looking for respect and understanding. Acceptance. Safe and nurturing home lives. Hands-on parents who offer unconditional love along with their guidance. Caring educators who dealt with their admitted misdeeds gently and privately (firmly was OK). The ability to be a bit different without being labeled or judged. More time for hobbies and more recreational opportunities. On an educational level, I can tell you some additional things that they needed. A slower pace of learning. More skill-based teaching (#1, #2 and #3). Visual and diverse learning (#1, #2, #3) .
With this in mind, I would think that the frightened parents in the community ought to shorten the hours that their children are in school, offer more extra-curricular activities, clamor for more tolerance, invest in the educators of their children, and boycott the schools that dismiss children for misdeeds. The community leaders would do well to meet with the mental-health professionals and those who deal with the ‘at-risk’ teen population, perhaps even with the troubled kids themselves, and listen – really listen – to their advice. I would love to tell you that this is happening. It pains me to report that this is usually not the case. Those of us who deal with at-risk kids are consulted in firefighter mode by desperate parents and educators – but little time and energy is being spent in fire prevention. They are asking us what to do with the at-risk kids, but not what we think should be done for all our children.
In many communities, I’m sad to report, exactly the opposite is happening. School hours are getting longer and longer. Kids have less time and opportunity to engage in desperately needed recreational activities. In fact, in some communities, normal sports activities are frowned upon or outright banned – sometimes for children above the age of ten years old!! Greater demands are being made on children. Schools that dismiss children are valued and pursued. Acceptance criterion for high schools is getting increasingly more challenging. On many occasions, I have clearly stated that in today’s climate I would probably not have been accepted to any ‘normal’ high school when I graduated eighth grade thirty-three years ago!!
Most peculiar is the reaction of parents who respond to their fears by striving mightily to place their children in the most rigorous programs – the ones with the longest hours, the least in the way of recreation, and with the most strident demands on their children. The thinking is that their children will be safe there, as the ‘chevrah’ will be better and the ‘at-risk’ children will be excluded from those elite schools. However, this thinking is terribly flawed. For there is no guarantee that their child – or one of their children some time in the future of their family life – will not be one of those children who will need some adjustment, tolerance, or understanding. So, in effect, the parents are raising the bar – and the ante of this very high-stakes gamble – by opting to send their child to a program that purports to produce a ‘metzuyan’ or ‘mitzuyenes’ (exemplary children). But at the same time, they are greatly increasing the odds that their child may find the train running away from him or her. And, in all my years of dealing with the at-risk teen population, I have not noticed that the elitist schools have any lower percentage of kids abandoning Yiddishkeit. All the more so if you include those who were asked to “find another school,â€
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Wow - thats great Deborah - thanks for providing us with the wisdom of Rabbi Yakov Horowitz.
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We raise our kids to live by God's Law.If any of our kids don't follow God's law below,they are going to a program to be saved!
SNIP!
Your arguments here are theologically unsound. I'd like new testament references for everything you've argued here. If it's not new testament it doesn't count. Jesus came to us as prophesied in fulfillment of the law freeing us from the laws of the Old Testament.
And also that Jewish guy really knows where his towel is.
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fulfilling not exactly freeing, but um... yeah he freed us from the crazies
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In christian theology it is understood that Jesus' coming and death on the cross released us from the laws of the old testament. A lot of pseudochristians (such as the American religious right) pick and choose which laws were removed (such as touching the skin of a pig or ostracising menstruating women) and some that apparently were not (such as stoning homosexuals to death),
The simple fact is that once Jesus died on that cross all of those old laws and rules became void. If it's not in the new testament, preferably from the mouth of Jesus himself then it doesn't count.
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In christian theology it is understood that Jesus' coming and death on the cross released us from the laws of the old testament. A lot of pseudochristians (such as the American religious right) pick and choose which laws were removed (such as touching the skin of a pig or ostracising menstruating women) and some that apparently were not (such as stoning homosexuals to death),
The simple fact is that once Jesus died on that cross all of those old laws and rules became void. If it's not in the new testament, preferably from the mouth of Jesus himself then it doesn't count.
The Catholic Church has spoken. There is no debate.
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In christian theology it is understood that Jesus' coming and death on the cross released us from the laws of the old testament. A lot of pseudochristians (such as the American religious right) pick and choose which laws were removed (such as touching the skin of a pig or ostracising menstruating women) and some that apparently were not (such as stoning homosexuals to death),
The simple fact is that once Jesus died on that cross all of those old laws and rules became void. If it's not in the new testament, preferably from the mouth of Jesus himself then it doesn't count.
The Catholic Church has spoken. There is no debate.
That was us.
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My mom was trying to get me to go to catholic church... she wants "more out of" her church and theology experience.
Personally, I'd rather not. I'd probably end up in a fist fight with the priest and half the choir :rofl:
Well, that and frankly I hate most Christians as being hypocritical, weak, fear-of-death religious people, not because of any actual faith. Not just that, but they're only Christians because of their family or the religious expectations of the USA. Christianity and right and wrong don't really mean that much to them.
The two catholic priests who went to pray at a base for the victims of torture and any young soldiers made to torture detainees are catholics I would proudly be a part of. The catholics who write bullshit like this, and hurt and torture their own kids, and try to come up with unrealistic expectations that clash with human nature from a modern, fundie-american-idiot interpretation of the Bible (which is just a canonized collection of writings, stories, and treatises from antiquity, not the word of god as some people say to the uneducated masses) I think can go die in a fire.
Honestly, a in-crowd of Holy Rollers derived from a bunch of misogynistic romans who ran Europe into the ground for a thousand years while the Arab world soared far above us in basically every way until the Renaissance? Why would I CHOOSE to associate with them? :P
Alas, it sucks being agnostic and having more strength in my convictions than most so-called Christians do...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ1zZuBtwL8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ1zZuBtwL8)
John Safran and Father Bob.
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Let me tell you all something from experience. I was brought up in a very religious family (not fanatical or anything, maybe borderline, but dedicated, had aunts that where nuns and priest over for dinner once in a while, no preaching at home, parents swore once in awhile, normal crap now that I look back) and I went with the flow, became an alter boy, attended catholic school, did what I was told. I was in a large family and we would joke about religious stuff and how strict they were at school and the stupid stuff they would make us do like raise our hands with “one digitâ€
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::roflmao::
Thanks Buzz. Love those Aussie's.
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yeah that guy is Hilarious. In the same Episode he did an interview with the KKK and asked them why if catholics were now allowed in why a Jew could not join.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8lCpAHnqo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8lCpAHnqo)
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yeah that guy is Hilarious. In the same Episode he did an interview with the KKK and asked them why if catholics were now allowed in why a Jew could not join.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8lCpAHnqo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8lCpAHnqo)
Bad link, OzGirl; try again?
The url contained a malformed video id.
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My apologies give this a go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8lCpAHnqoU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8lCpAHnqoU)
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Oh, this one is great. JS vs Mormons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmC0DaE ... ed&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmC0DaE6rE&mode=related&search=)
Goes to SLC and bashes on people's doors selling Atheism.
And Freemasons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSHk8tlQ ... ed&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSHk8tlQWuo&mode=related&search=)
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I vote the Catholic Parents as "most likely to have an out-of-control" teen in the first place. They create the monster and then send it away to be "saved." Self-righteous Idiots.
The Rabbi, meanwhile, would be more likely to have happy, well adjusted kids.
I despise religion in all its forms. It fosters ignorance and intolerance. It always comes with nonsensical rules. It automatically defines everyone outside the 'one true' religion as the enemy. It is a tool of oppression.
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http://www.subgenius.com/ (http://www.subgenius.com/)
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I vote the Catholic Parents as "most likely to have an out-of-control" teen in the first place. They create the monster and then send it away to be "saved." Self-righteous Idiots.
The Rabbi, meanwhile, would be more likely to have happy, well adjusted kids.
I despise religion in all its forms. It fosters ignorance and intolerance. It always comes with nonsensical rules. It automatically defines everyone outside the 'one true' religion as the enemy. It is a tool of oppression.
I agree Ant. They are nuts. Most religions also do have nonsensical rules that make no sense. But I wonder if the extent to which people let it screw up their life varies from place to place. over here mainly because of our lazy apathy about most things that people get all in a lather over there is neither the level of fundamentalism or the level of anger toward the excessively pius that i see in the US. The mentality is either -Just dont come knocking on my door- or that religion is a nice idea but it begins and ends with going to church at christmas or sending the kids to a private school which is usually by default religious. i tend to think it is like any other wacky vice. perfectly OK in moderation. Thus i give to the major religious charities, attend the baptisms etc of friends children and every now and then allow my mother tell me i should occasionally go to mass.
Does this tend to be the view of the silent majority in the US?
Oz Girl
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I still vote that the reason most people are religious is down to two reasons:
1) Rote. Habit. Cultural/social reasons.
2) Fear of death/ easy answers to life and existence, especially "meaning".
Pussies.