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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 24, 2007, 04:01:03 PM
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Hello Everyone,
I wanted to point out some glaring truths about "Ajax13", a member on here who has been posting quite a bit lately.
Ajax13 has a girlfriend who went through the AARC program quite some time ago, roughly 10 years or so. Ajax has never been in the doors of AARC, has never looked any of the staff in the face and is unaware of how AARC operates.
Ajax works on a drilling rig as a floor hand for a drilling company in Alberta. If our in house statistics serve me correctly, Ajax doesn't even have a Grade 12 diploma.
Not only is he completely unqualified to make any sort of doctoral assessment as to the operational methods of AARC, but he is lying blatantly and spreading mis-truths and unfounded propaganda. He is; in many ways, like a muslim extremist if you think about it.
Back to Ajax's reason for being here: "Special Lady Friend", another user here who feels as though she had a rough time in the AARC program.
AARC is not an easy program. It is a no bull long term drug and alcohol treatment facility that utilizes the 12 step program of Alcoholics Anonymous as their preferred delivery method.
Ajax calls AARC a cult. I am a graduate of 10 years, have remained clean and sober for 11 years, and not once has AARC told me that if "I left the cult, I would die". No, I am not required to show up there ever. When I do decide to drop in, they greet me nicely and we talk like normal human beings.. I talk to some of the new kids in there, answer some questions and enjoy seeing the changes that happen there.
Ajax has never been inside the building. Ajax, doesn't have any family that has gone through there, he has absolutely NO relation to AARC whatsoever. He speculates, and clearly takes out of context, the words of his rather timid sounding girlfriend who went through almost 11 years ago.
Ajax doesn't even have EXPERIENCE to back up his claims. He is missing TWO CRITICAL COMPONENTS now, EXPERIENCE, and EDUCATION.
So since Ajax has neither of these, why would any of you listen to him? I'm admittedly an asshole, and I will give you the truth about AARC, straight from my mouth.. what I did like, what I didn't like and where I am now in my life.
Ajax, I find it reprehensible that you are taking advantage of a girl who is in pain from some possible past traumatic experiences. You are a pathetic excuse for a boyfriend and you are a pathetic excuse for a man.
You aren't helping her, you are hindering her growth, and when she reads this, she will know exactly what it is I am talking about.
"Special Lady Friend" let me know if you need ways of getting out of that abusive relationship you are in. I've studied on them and I would be able to offer you some tactical advice on removing that guy from your life.
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Hello Everyone,
I wanted to point out some glaring truths about "Ajax13", a member on here who has been posting quite a bit lately.
Well, if you're going to do that, let's hear about YOU and who YOU are and what YOUR motivations are for defending a Straight descendant program
Ajax13 has a girlfriend who went through the AARC program quite some time ago, roughly 10 years or so. Ajax has never been in the doors of AARC, has never looked any of the staff in the face and is unaware of how AARC operates.
Do tell then, do tell.
Ajax works on a drilling rig as a floor hand for a drilling company in Alberta. If our in house statistics serve me correctly, Ajax doesn't even have a Grade 12 diploma.
And your point would be?
Not only is he completely unqualified to make any sort of doctoral assessment as to the operational methods of AARC, but he is lying blatantly and spreading mis-truths and unfounded propaganda. He is; in many ways, like a muslim extremist if you think about it.
Back to Ajax's reason for being here: "Special Lady Friend", another user here who feels as though she had a rough time in the AARC program.
AARC is not an easy program. It is a no bull long term drug and alcohol treatment facility that utilizes the 12 step program of Alcoholics Anonymous as their preferred delivery method.
AARC is directly descended from Straight and Miller Newton. We know much more about your program than you think shithead.
Ajax calls AARC a cult. I am a graduate of 10 years, have remained clean and sober for 11 years, and not once has AARC told me that if "I left the cult, I would die". No, I am not required to show up there ever. When I do decide to drop in, they greet me nicely and we talk like normal human beings.. I talk to some of the new kids in there, answer some questions and enjoy seeing the changes that happen there.
yeah, yeah. We heard the same bullshit at Straight. AARC, as I know it (it's run pretty much like Straight was) IS a cult.
Ajax has never been inside the building. Ajax, doesn't have any family that has gone through there, he has absolutely NO relation to AARC whatsoever. He speculates, and clearly takes out of context, the words of his rather timid sounding girlfriend who went through almost 11 years ago.
Why do you keep calling her timid? Is that supposed to be some kind of insult or something? I would daydream for hours about a friend being concerned enough about me to try and help save me from Straight.
Ajax doesn't even have EXPERIENCE to back up his claims. He is missing TWO CRITICAL COMPONENTS now, EXPERIENCE, and EDUCATION.
Enlighten us, please.
So since Ajax has neither of these, why would any of you listen to him? I'm admittedly an asshole, and I will give you the truth about AARC, straight from my mouth.. what I did like, what I didn't like and where I am now in my life.
Why would we listen to you any more than we would him?
Ajax, I find it reprehensible that you are taking advantage of a girl who is in pain from some possible past traumatic experiences. You are a pathetic excuse for a boyfriend and you are a pathetic excuse for a man.
You aren't helping her, you are hindering her growth, and when she reads this, she will know exactly what it is I am talking about.
Ajax, don't pay any attention to this asshole. I would have loved to have someone on the outside care enough to find out about what bullshit I was trapped in.
"Guest"....YOU are reprehensible trying to pass AARC off as some sort of sane treatment center. It's nothing but a Straight mindfuck.
"Special Lady Friend" let me know if you need ways of getting out of that abusive relationship you are in. I've studied on them and I would be able to offer you some tactical advice on removing that guy from your life.
Special Lady, Ajax seems to be the only one who cared about what you had to endure at the hands of those sadists. Stay strong, don't give them any more control or power over yourself. You were forced to do that enough back then.
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Ask me anything you want then Anne Boone, but for fuck sakes don't perpetuate the manipulation Ajax pulls on that poor girl purely in the name of an arguement with me... Jesus.
I know where AARC "came from". I know about Straight and I know about those other programs... more than you think I know you fool.
Now, before you start grunting with your nose in your plate of macaroni, know that AARC is not nearly as bad as those places. People aren't 'restrained' unless they are posing an imminent threat to another client ie; wielding a knife, about to get into a fight.. you know, basic logic? There is no physical abuse, mental abuse, social abuse or anything like that. They WOULD be shut down if those were the conditions in there. We are in a pro-human rights era, and it wouldn't matter who was backing the place, it would be shut if there were human rights violations.
The business and the people that put their name on the donor cards, wouldn't support human rights violations. You people are so small.. it's awful. Cranial-rectal intisusception (they call it in the med field).
What's it like being so lost and clueless about what's going on? Don't you people get it? Just because a couple of social outcasts hate a place that made them stop doing drugs... doesn't mean they are violating your human rights.
The stupidity here is incredible! I enjoy it.. and a lot more people read this than you think.. it's become part of the parody section on my website. Do continue though blumpkin, I'm using you as practice for the next time I argue with someone that has no facts or hard evidence.. carry on.
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Hello Everyone,
I wanted to point out some glaring truths about "Ajax13", a member on here who has been posting quite a bit lately.
Well, if you're going to do that, let's hear about YOU and who YOU are and what YOUR motivations are for defending a Straight descendant program
Ajax13 has a girlfriend who went through the AARC program quite some time ago, roughly 10 years or so. Ajax has never been in the doors of AARC, has never looked any of the staff in the face and is unaware of how AARC operates.
Do tell then, do tell.
Ajax works on a drilling rig as a floor hand for a drilling company in Alberta. If our in house statistics serve me correctly, Ajax doesn't even have a Grade 12 diploma.
And your point would be?
Not only is he completely unqualified to make any sort of doctoral assessment as to the operational methods of AARC, but he is lying blatantly and spreading mis-truths and unfounded propaganda. He is; in many ways, like a muslim extremist if you think about it.
Back to Ajax's reason for being here: "Special Lady Friend", another user here who feels as though she had a rough time in the AARC program.
AARC is not an easy program. It is a no bull long term drug and alcohol treatment facility that utilizes the 12 step program of Alcoholics Anonymous as their preferred delivery method.
AARC is directly descended from Straight and Miller Newton. We know much more about your program than you think shithead.
Ajax calls AARC a cult. I am a graduate of 10 years, have remained clean and sober for 11 years, and not once has AARC told me that if "I left the cult, I would die". No, I am not required to show up there ever. When I do decide to drop in, they greet me nicely and we talk like normal human beings.. I talk to some of the new kids in there, answer some questions and enjoy seeing the changes that happen there.
yeah, yeah. We heard the same bullshit at Straight. AARC, as I know it (it's run pretty much like Straight was) IS a cult.
Ajax has never been inside the building. Ajax, doesn't have any family that has gone through there, he has absolutely NO relation to AARC whatsoever. He speculates, and clearly takes out of context, the words of his rather timid sounding girlfriend who went through almost 11 years ago.
Why do you keep calling her timid? Is that supposed to be some kind of insult or something? I would daydream for hours about a friend being concerned enough about me to try and help save me from Straight.
Ajax doesn't even have EXPERIENCE to back up his claims. He is missing TWO CRITICAL COMPONENTS now, EXPERIENCE, and EDUCATION.
Enlighten us, please.
So since Ajax has neither of these, why would any of you listen to him? I'm admittedly an asshole, and I will give you the truth about AARC, straight from my mouth.. what I did like, what I didn't like and where I am now in my life.
Why would we listen to you any more than we would him?
Ajax, I find it reprehensible that you are taking advantage of a girl who is in pain from some possible past traumatic experiences. You are a pathetic excuse for a boyfriend and you are a pathetic excuse for a man.
You aren't helping her, you are hindering her growth, and when she reads this, she will know exactly what it is I am talking about.
Ajax, don't pay any attention to this asshole. I would have loved to have someone on the outside care enough to find out about what bullshit I was trapped in.
"Guest"....YOU are reprehensible trying to pass AARC off as some sort of sane treatment center. It's nothing but a Straight mindfuck.
"Special Lady Friend" let me know if you need ways of getting out of that abusive relationship you are in. I've studied on them and I would be able to offer you some tactical advice on removing that guy from your life.
Special Lady, Ajax seems to be the only one who cared about what you had to endure at the hands of those sadists. Stay strong, don't give them any more control or power over yourself. You were forced to do that enough back then.
Ummm she was in there 10 years ago. She's not in there now. For him to be like that and use her past to advance his personal interests on her is a filthy tactic. Doesnt sound like you know shit all about aarc because its not even close to straight and i know how straight was probably more than you.
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Ask me anything you want then Anne Boone,
It's Bonney, get it right jerkoff.
Now, before you start grunting with your nose in your plate of macaroni,
It's Surf n Turf tonight. Get it right.
know that AARC is not nearly as bad as those places. People aren't 'restrained' unless they are posing an imminent threat to another client ie; wielding a knife, about to get into a fight.. you know, basic logic?
Yeah, exact same logic and line that Straight used. Then they'd either push people to the point to where they'd lash out or just flat out lie. How's this any different?
There is no physical abuse, mental abuse, social abuse or anything like that. They WOULD be shut down if those were the conditions in there. We are in a pro-human rights era, and it wouldn't matter who was backing the place, it would be shut if there were human rights violations. The business and the people that put their name on the donor cards, wouldn't support human rights violations.
::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
Oh your poor naive soul.. Now that's about the biggest load of crap I've read all day. On many different levels. Human rights?? Under this administration. You have much to learn, Grasshopper.
These places are killing kids left and right and people are only beginning to speak up. Programs, especially ones with connections to Straight and Mel Sembler, have enormous resources. Miller Newton kept popping back up time after time. When he'd get run out of one state, he'd start up in anohter. That's how AARC came to be. I guess he was finally run out of the entire damn country.
You people are so small.. it's awful. Cranial-rectal intisusception (they call it in the med field).
What's it like being so lost and clueless about what's going on? Don't you people get it? Just because a couple of social outcasts hate a place that made them stop doing drugs... doesn't mean they are violating your human rights.
I wasn't doing drugs when I was sent to Straight. It wasn't until after getting out and having to deal with PTSD from Straight that I began to use. Best decision I ever made. Go ahead now. (Can't wait for your thoughts on this)
The stupidity here is incredible! I enjoy it.. and a lot more people read this than you think.. it's become part of the parody section on my website. Do continue though blumpkin, I'm using you as practice for the next time I argue with someone that has no facts or hard evidence.. carry on.
Uh huh.
Sheeple. :roll:
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Ummm she was in there 10 years ago. She's not in there now. For him to be like that and use her past to advance his personal interests on her is a filthy tactic. Doesnt sound like you know shit all about aarc because its not even close to straight and i know how straight was probably more than you.
Ummm, :roll:
Really now? How would that be little one?
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Ummm she was in there 10 years ago. She's not in there now. For him to be like that and use her past to advance his personal interests on her is a filthy tactic. Doesnt sound like you know shit all about aarc because its not even close to straight and i know how straight was probably more than you.
Ummm, :roll:
Really now? How would that be little one?
Anne, you sound like a bit of a fascist... in the sense that "if one is bad, then they're all bad".
It's just not true pumpkin. I've done well with my life. You went through straight, I went through AARC.
Do you happen to hate all muslims simply because 10 of them flew planes in to the WTC?
Your barbaric logic is astonishing. I hope you find peace with yourself one day. Sounds to me like you're still sitting around the house moping.
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Ummm she was in there 10 years ago. She's not in there now. For him to be like that and use her past to advance his personal interests on her is a filthy tactic. Doesnt sound like you know shit all about aarc because its not even close to straight and i know how straight was probably more than you.
Ummm, :roll:
Really now? How would that be little one?
Anne, you sound like a bit of a fascist... in the sense that "if one is bad, then they're all bad".
It's just not true pumpkin. I've done well with my life. You went through straight, I went through AARC.
Do you happen to hate all muslims simply because 10 of them flew planes in to the WTC?
Your barbaric logic is astonishing. I hope you find peace with yourself one day. Sounds to me like you're still sitting around the house moping.
Why do you people always assume that because we're angry about what was done to us, and what continues to be done to other kids, means that I'm miserable losers and live in mom's basement? It really gets old and is simply not true. I know it flies in the face of all the deadinsaneorinjail predictions, but it's all a scam darlin'. You people just cannot believe that anyone would have the gall to criticize your precious program. We must all be drug addicts and losers. I mean, where is our gratitude, right? :roll: I have a great life now, with absolutely NO thanks to Straight. It tore my family up. We couldn't even begin to repair it for years and years. That pisses me off and always will. Other than that, life is great now that I don't have to put up with that kind of mentality.
Programs that force kids into "treatment" are not only not effective, but very often dangerous. Programs that are run the way Straight was DEFINITELY are dangerous. AARC may have gotten rid of some of the overt and obvious abuse to appease the masses, but the basic premise of breaking a kid to build them back up is still there and still wrong.
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Blah Blah Blah Blah it saved my life Blah Blah Blah AARC is diffrent from all the other St8 clones Blah Blah Blah Blah you're a poo poo face Blah Blah Blah Blah 10 years sober!!! ::bwahaha::
This is about as entertaining as watching a monkey smell it's on shit only to be amazed that it still smells like shit.
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This is about as entertaining as watching a monkey smell it's on shit only to be amazed that it still smells like shit.
::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
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Hey Josh,
You know most of my issues w/ AARC already. Or at least the blatantly obvious ones.
It is illegal in Alberta (and everywhere else in Canada) to hold a person against their will regardless of age for any period of time except in the following situations:
by court order following an arrest
by medical certificate
OR for up to five days for detox (but this is only within the last 3 years)
And, in all those situations, there are processes in place to allow a person to challenge their detainment.
I for one, was not held at AARC for any of those reasons. Most people I was in with weren't either. Therefore, that right was violated. That's illegal thing number one, and a human rights violation under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The two latter of which were both ratified by Canada, and the former which is one of the most binding pieces of federal legislation.
I won't go into a laundry list of the other things that happened at AARC that are considered illegal, but they include preventing school age children (including those under the age of 16) from going to school. And contrary to the usual AARC spiel, many kids I was in with at least were still attending school - including myself. Also, preventing access to legal consultation - and I worked for a lawyer, so I knew how to ask - is illegal.
AARC has absolutely no oversight from the government. They are not an addcredited or regulated medical or treatment facility. They are a licensed charity and that is the extent of their legal existence. They have no legal ability to keep children in their warehouse, or send them off to host homes at the end of every night. There, the homes we were kept in they did not do criminal background checks on parents or siblings. Not to mention the our oldcomers many of whom did have criminal histories including violence and sexual offences.
I'm not sure if you were on staff when that incident happened w/ Ashley. The one where I got confronted on the stool for retaliating and got "held back" from my step one. That (if you were there and you remember) was abuse. And fucking disgusting.
When Jen and Carry wouldn't let me get dressed (albeit I had a towel) till I signed the forms on intake and made fun of me for trying to read the forms, that was called "coercion" and also, it fucking sucked.
So, what say you to that?
Rachael
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And contrary to the usual AARC spiel, many kids I was in with at least were still attending school - including myself.
That particular piece of bullshit comes DIRECTLY from Newton/Straight
http://www.thestraights.com/video/newt-noharm.rm (http://www.thestraights.com/video/newt-noharm.rm)
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I'm not sure if you were on staff when that incident happened w/ Ashley. The one where I got confronted on the stool for retaliating and got "held back" from my step one. That (if you were there and you remember) was abuse. And fucking disgusting.
When Jen and Carry wouldn't let me get dressed (albeit I had a towel) till I signed the forms on intake and made fun of me for trying to read the forms, that was called "coercion" and also, it fucking sucked.
So, what say you to that?
Rachael
That is precisely what I'm talking about. Nothing has really changed.
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I'm not sure if you were on staff when that incident happened w/ Ashley. The one where I got confronted on the stool for retaliating and got "held back" from my step one. That (if you were there and you remember) was abuse. And fucking disgusting.
When Jen and Carry wouldn't let me get dressed (albeit I had a towel) till I signed the forms on intake and made fun of me for trying to read the forms, that was called "coercion" and also, it fucking sucked.
So, what say you to that?
Rachael
That is precisely what I'm talking about. Nothing has really changed.
Just quit being mad and admit that your fat overweight ass is ruining your chances of finding a 4th husband you pig. I dont like aarc or you for that matter so go stuff a meaty suasage up yer ass and go for a ride
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Just quit being mad and admit that your fat overweight ass is ruining your chances of finding a 4th husband you pig. I dont like aarc or you for that matter so go stuff a meaty suasage up yer ass and go for a ride
Aren't you a witty one. Awww, now ya done and hurt my feelings.
:roll: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I generally don't post in response to the shit the monkeys are flinging, but here goes.
Josh, if you wanted to protect me you should have done it when we were in treatment. You knew what was happening between the oldcomers and newcomers. You knew (though I don't think you were involved) what was happening between newcomers. You sit on your pedestal and talk down to AJAX? He is no coward. He did not turn a blind eye while his friends suffered. I am not attacking you for your silence. We were all afraid.
It still shocks me some times that I was involved in something like that. It seems like something you see on the news or an afterschool special. It wasn't and isn't. It is happening right now to children in AARC and all the other programs out there like it.
As for you assumptions about AJAX's education, you couldn't be more off. He has post secondary education in Political Science and is working as a "rig pig" right now to pay off my student loans, buy a home and be able to afford for me to go back to school to get my Masters Degree. So before you make your assumptions (you know what they say about assuming...) maybe question why an uneducated pervert would spend any time researching the atrocities visited upon his "piece of ass" if his only motivation was to use and abuse.
I am NOT in abusive relationship (I left that behind the doors of AARC)! I am not a scared, timid girl who is looking for someone to save me. I am a strong independant woman who has found a partner that is not afraid of making waves and is not afraid to stand up for me.
The only regret I have regarding my relationship with AJAX is that I did not find him sooner so I could have started fighting AARC years ago. He is my strength, he is my savior.
It seems like he is providing the perfect opportunity for the AARColytes to pull the focus of this forum away from the issues (surviving AARC and shutting it's doors permanently) and spend their time debunking his "theories". I put theories in quotation marks because though many believers have come on here to attack AJAX no one has posted any proof that AARC has no direct link to Straights or Kids and no one has provided any evidence (other than believer testimonial) that Dean Vause is not a swindler criminal. None of you followers are even argueing the validity of his education through the union institute.
So here is how I see it. We have all been pulled back into the situation they had us in when we were captives. We have let AARC force us into a corner and we are playing their game. We are letting them determine what is being said in the forum. I am not playing any more. This forum is for getting the truth out about AARC. I don't care what any of you think of AJAX. I care that the truth about AARC and it's victims is reaching new audiences. I care that the AARColytes are watching this forum and reading the facts and are getting scared (your anger and fixation on tiny details is proof of your fear).
So keep posting with your dirty word and your insults, it makes me laugh and it diverts your attention so when the shit hits the fan you will be watching with your mouths and eyes open and you will be hit in the face.
:)
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You read that? Huh? Did you see what just happened? She owned your ass...
::kma::
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and there he is, the mostly illiterate oversized jackass that used to work at AARC for the sole reason to meet young girls that were easily convinced of things...when all you got out of the deal was Neil C. I hope things have worked well for you. hey josh..remember this guy? DV sponsored him, his daddy and mommy work there, and he liked to strut through there and make those of us stuck in there feel like complete losers? well i hope he get's a big mean boyfriend where he is going....here is your sacred AARC at work bro, tell Dean the battle is just starting. oh, and we'll see each other.
A woman found murdered in the bushes outside a Kitsilano apartment building was a masseuse and worked in a massage parlour in the building, police said yesterday.
Nicole Parisien, 33, didn't live in suite No. 517, but worked there as a masseuse and died there.
Her body was found behind the parking lot of the building in the 1400-block Chestnut Street on Monday morning. Police wouldn't say how Parisien died.
Andrew William Evans, 25, has been arrested and charged with second-degree murder and is to appear in court Sept. 5.
Police said he and Parisien did not know each other before Monday. Neither are known to police.
"Evans fled to Calgary after the crime but turned himself into Calgary police on Tuesday, the 28th of August," said Vancouver police spokesman Const. Tim Fanning. "[Evans] has been co-operative in the investigation."
Police said the vice squad will determine whether the massage parlour was being used as a bawdy house.
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I could not agree more with Josh i have been sober for almost 5 years and i could not be happier!To be honest in my opinion this is your way of rationalizing your problem what do we always do place the blame on someone else! i have never seen people so angry with aarc they saved my life and if you gave it a chance they could change yours as well!
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Just to clarify some of the lies josh the piece of shit has posted about Ajax13.
I know him, and he is one hell of a man, twice the man josh could ever try to be. Not only is he educated... and yes that means university, something dickless josh would know nothing about. But he is also, loving and caring and is spending his time fighting for the woman he loves. A woman who is not weak in any sense of the word, but who was brutally mis-treated by the facility that josh so strongly defends. So josh i will say this to you... I am very sorry for the things that AARC has put in your head, but you, like the rest of the cowards that hide behind the doors of that center, will one day face the truth and all the people that have been hurt and even killed by that embarrassment of a treatment facility, and when that day comes Ajax13 and his amazing, strong, incredible woman will be sitting front row when everyone of those child molesting, youth killing sons of bitches are made to pay for the countless lives they have destroyed.... all i hope for you is that all of the slander you are spreading and the time you are wasting defending AARC is worth it.
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I could not agree more with Josh i have been sober for almost 5 years and i could not be happier!To be honest in my opinion this is your way of rationalizing your problem what do we always do place the blame on someone else! i have never seen people so angry with aarc they saved my life and if you gave it a chance they could change yours as well!
I'm angry that Straight continues with AARC. There's nothing in my life that needs changing. There was nothing in my life that needed changing when I was put into Straight, just as I suspect was the case with many that ended up in AARC. All these kids now convinced that they have a problem, convinced that they'd be deadinsaneorinjail without Straight/AARC.
Its so sad.
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So let me get this straight, because this is incredible!!!!
You AARC bashers, who went through Straight or Newton or had a "girlfriend" that did...were the epitome of healthy, law abiding, beacons of CLEAN children of high morality and values...and you were for NO reason (?) put into these facilities by your vicious parents (god love them) for no reason?
Oh you poor poor Victims.
Please get over yourselves.
Sometimes I go to out to eat and I get shitty restaurant service, or my food is not properly cooked, must mean that every single establishment is out to get and abuse me. Or hell, I was even molestested as a child by someone my parents trusted...they must of planned the whole thing!
F*CK OFF.
The AARC systems has changed hundreds and hundreds of lives. They are miracles. No one, or nothing, is PERFECT. So you failed the treatment. And you're still a victim of yourselves. Blaiming and condemning a program you failed. Avoiding, Rationalizing, Justifying and
Diminishing. Characteristics of a true addict. And maybe in this case addicted to pointing outwards rather than looking within.
Get help.
Please?
Josh? Where are you? You're the only one that makes sense....
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So let me get this straight, because this is incredible!!!!
You AARC bashers, who went through Straight or Newton or had a "girlfriend" that did...were the epitome of healthy, law abiding, beacons of CLEAN children of high morality and values...and you were for NO reason (?) put into these facilities by your vicious parents (god love them) for no reason?
Yep. That's about it. I was a normal teen. A little moody, drank a bit but nothing to get excited about. Smoked pot a few times. On my intake Newton told me he knew for a fact taht I had done cocaine many times "because of the deposits in my eyes". No, really. That's what he said. I had never even seen coke yet.
Oh you poor poor Victims.
Thank you, I appreciate that. It was hands down the worst two years of my life.
Please get over yourselves.
Sometimes I go to out to eat and I get shitty restaurant service, or my food is not properly cooked, must mean that every single establishment is out to get and abuse me. Or hell, I was even molestested as a child by someone my parents trusted...they must of planned the whole thing!
Nice. Very nice.
:roll:
F*CK OFF.
BITE MY ASS!
::seg::
The AARC systems has changed hundreds and hundreds of lives. They are miracles. No one, or nothing, is PERFECT. So you failed the treatment. And you're still a victim of yourselves. Blaiming and condemning a program you failed. Avoiding, Rationalizing, Justifying and
Diminishing. Characteristics of a true addict. And maybe in this case addicted to pointing outwards rather than looking within.
Could you be any more drunk on the Kool Aid? Christ, how many program slogans did you just throw at me there bud?
Get help.
Don't need it. Never did. The "help" I received at the hands of those sadistic fucks nearly killed me.
Josh? Where are you? You're the only one that makes sense....
Josh ran away when I asked him some very pointed questions. Maybe you'll have the balls to answer.
What would happen if a child decided that they wanted to leave?
What would happen if a child refused to sign themselves in?
What would happen if a child refused to admit to a drug or alcohol problem?
What if a child wanted a court hearing to speak to an objective, qualified person for a proper diagnosis or second opinion?
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Where to start with this one....
So let me get this straight, because this is incredible!!!!
You AARC bashers, who went through Straight or Newton or had a "girlfriend" that did...were the epitome of healthy, law abiding, beacons of CLEAN children of high morality and values...and you were for NO reason (?) put into these facilities by your vicious parents (god love them) for no reason?
Well, I had smoked pot 10 times, used LSD 4 times and never drank. I fought with my mother (not too much, but enough to upset her evidently). My mother had me taken to a psychiatrist, who lucky for me was related to someone on staff at AARC. She (the psych.) took one look at my haircut and clothing and decided I must be addicted to drugs. On my intake drug test, I was clean, as I did not use drugs even more than once in a month at the most frequent of times. Over a month before AARC, I had smoked pot for the last time, and two weeks before I used LSD for the last time. I decided not to do drugs ever again, because I had learned what I'd wanted to learn and I had no intention of becoming a habitual user. (I haven't used drugs since by the way, and all it took was me making the choice not to.) But of course, I had a mohawk (even though it was short, and had been my mother's idea, in fact she'd been the one to do it for me), and I dressed strangely. Also, another of my mother's reasons for putting me in AARC was that I refused to take Dexedrine and Zoloft that had been prescribed to me by a pediatrician I'd never met before after she had a ten minute conversation with my mother -- I didn't want drugs messing up my mind.
And you know what? I was a good "CLEAN" child of extremely high morality and values. That in fact was the main source of conflict between my mother and myself. I refused to use or eat animal products or anything that had been created using sweatshop labour. I was relentless in my morality. As I've gotten older, I've toned down a bit as I've come to be more compassionate towards people who don't see much beyond their own sphere. Also, before AARC, I had not (contrary to the popular myth about "clients") dropped out of school. In fact, I loved school and I'd skipped no more than a handful of times. I was in the Gifted and Talented program and taking classes well above my grade. I studied Latin, and was fluent in French as well. I adored math, chemistry, and physics and stayed long after school many days (those same days I was later accused of doing drugs) to work on extra projects. I studied extra subjects - filled up all of my spares - including advanced psychiatry and legal studies. My grades weren't stellar (nothing compared to after I ran from AARC) but I had steady 80s-90s, with the occasional barely passing mark when I really couldn't get along with a teacher. I never failed a class. Outside of school was where I was really successful. I was a member of the Mayor's Youth Advisory Council and regularly met with the Mayor and City Council to discuss issues affecting the youth of Calgary. I was a member of the Calgary Youth for Human Rights group, where among other things I worked to bring attention to child victims of anti-personal landmines (in association with the Red Cross), and represented our organisation as a stakeholder in a case in court. I volunteered with the Youth Volunteer Corps many, many hours a week. I was also on the steering committee for the YVC as well as the YVC clubs in schools programs organizing the volunteer projects we worked on. Also, I volunteered independantly at a local elementary school working one on one with children who weren't thriving in the classroom (ie. children with learning disabilities, language difficulties or social interaction issues). Again, all of the times I was doing these things, I was later accused of having spent it doing drugs - although my volunteer hour log book can prove I was where I said I was. Every Saturday morning, I got up especially early to go downtown to prepare a vegan meal for the homeless people around CUPS (with a group called Food Not Bombs). Again, my mother claimed that there was no way any teenager would get up early on a Saturday to help someone, so I must be using drugs. I worked with Amnesty International and Greenpeace. I was on a board of stakeholders that presented the interests of the Canadian youth to the G8 Ministers of the Environment, and for that I spent much time on national (and international) television and radio. And finally (although I am certain I'm forgetting something), I worked for a very high-profile lawyer in Calgary. The case we were working on just before I was thrown into AARC, was regarding legislation on the rights of children in protective care.
I was a good kid! I tried so hard to do only what I thought was right. All I ever wanted was for everyone (but especially my mother) to be proud of me. That's why it hurt so much when they put me there. When I cried in AARC, I was crying because I could not figure out what I had done wrong. I didn't understand why they had put me there. I waited for weeks for AARC staff to realize the horrible mistake that had been made and let me go. But they never did. They just told me over and over that "you don't have to use drugs to be a druggie" and "druggies don't have rights". They did there best to break me and make me come to terms with "my disease" and "powerlessness". They told me over and over that "intellectualism", being a vegan, not shaving my legs, fighting against unjust laws (like the one I'd been working against in court), and fighting with my mother were "my disease" and "keeping me sick". Everything I'd ever done right, everything that I believed in they told me was wrong. Not only that, they tried (and in a lot of ways succeeded) to make me believe that all I'd ever done had only ever been calculated to hurt those around me. This could not have been further from the truth.
I did not need "help". I was exactly where I needed to be, doing what I needed to do. And I helped a lot of people in the process.
So, in conclusion, I was 1. healthy, 2. law abiding, 3. clean, 4. of high morality and values; and I was for NO reason (at least nothing even close to a valid reason) put into AARC.
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Awww, you guys are too cute.
Last I check doing illegal drugs is not law abiding...
Rachel, you should write Oprah, you've accomplished a lot. But not shaving your legs? Yikes! That is a disease isn't it?!
Anne; Your questions? As Naive as they are...
What would happen if a child decided that they wanted to leave?
What would happen if a child refused to sign themselves in?
What would happen if a child refused to admit to a drug or alcohol problem?
What if a child wanted a court hearing to speak to an objective, qualified person for a proper diagnosis or second opinion?
Children are a parents' responsibility until their children reach the age of 18 (unless ended by a Court Order). If a parent discharges their Parental Responsibility over to the treatment centre temporarily (they had to sign papers too, knitwit...) then you CHILDREN are S.O.L. They are your guardians.
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Anything else?
I mean, if it was hell for you, sure...it was hell for you. Who am I to argue your experiences. But why try to take away the experiences of others? If it changes their lives and they are happier for it and living great lives...seems like to fight them is to show a bit of envy?
If you're lives are so better now. Leave it alone. Get on with your life. Or get a life and stop crying your tears in some stupid blog. Get a job...go for a walk...or get back to all your "GOOD DEEDS" you used to do.
Writing on here is not helping your cause. AARC is thriving. Just had the best and biggest Fund Raising Anniversay Ball of all time. Where graduates (I'm guessing NONE of you graduated...) recounted and shared their stories and how amazing they feel now. That stuff is real.
Not this blog.
Best of luck.
I'll pray for you all.
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Awww, you guys are too cute.
Last I check doing illegal drugs is not law abiding...
So this is about punishment then? I mean its true that untaxed drugs are illegal (we only want kiddies on chemical that we can make a buck off of, not some hippie nat'ral shit) , but it doesn't require kids to be forced out of their homes. It doesn't warrant the isolation, humiliation, restricted communication, forced confession and the rest of the mindrape.
Rachel, you should write Oprah, you've accomplished a lot. But not shaving your legs? Yikes! That is a disease isn't it?!
Nice. :roll:
Anne; Your questions? As Naive as they are...
What would happen if a child decided that they wanted to leave?
What would happen if a child refused to sign themselves in?
What would happen if a child refused to admit to a drug or alcohol problem?
What if a child wanted a court hearing to speak to an objective, qualified person for a proper diagnosis or second opinion?
Children are a parents' responsibility until their children reach the age of 18 (unless ended by a Court Order). If a parent discharges their Parental Responsibility over to the treatment centre temporarily (they had to sign papers too, knitwit...) then you CHILDREN are S.O.L. They are your guardians.
Yeah, so what would happen? How would that be handled if someone insisted on leaving and absolutely did not want to be there? I get that the parents want them there, but how do the staff keep them there if they don't want to be? I mean, if they're so gawd awful, I can't really see them just sitting there because they've been told to.
Look, if you can't answer the question, just say so dear.
Anything else?
I mean, if it was hell for you, sure...it was hell for you. Who am I to argue your experiences. But why try to take away the experiences of others? If it changes their lives and they are happier for it and living great lives...seems like to fight them is to show a bit of envy?
Depends on the methods used to bring about such miraculous changes. You guys claim to 'treat' the worst of the worst. What is the process for this astounding change?
If you're lives are so better now. Leave it alone. Get on with your life. Or get a life and stop crying your tears in some stupid blog. Get a job...go for a walk...or get back to all your "GOOD DEEDS" you used to do.
I have a hard time sitting back while knowing that kids are still being subjected to the same mindfuck I was. I was a 'good little Straightling' when I got out. Swore up and down that it 'saved my life'. "Sure it was hard, but I was some damn druggie kid afterall, right?". Same bullshit as Straight, different day, different asshole with a guru complex.
You people always assume that because we speak out against what happened to us that we're just losers who have no life. You just can't get past that fantasy that we'll all DIE without benefit of your beloved program.
Writing on here is not helping your cause.
You have no idea what it does and what we've accomplished.
AARC is thriving. Just had the best and biggest Fund Raising Anniversay Ball of all time. Where graduates (I'm guessing NONE of you graduated...) recounted and shared their stories and how amazing they feel now.
For now.
That stuff is real.
No its not. That was the hardest thing for my dad to understand. When he asked about all the 'good times' and 'good work on our relationship' that we had done, I told him the truth. It was all fake. I didn't even realize it at the time, but I was doing and saying what I was programmed to do and say. Daddy was very happy then. When I began to question The Great And Powerful Oz, that's when I was branded to have 'relapsed' or 'not doing well' or everyone suddenly became "concerned" about me. (Blechh. I detest that word now. Won't use it with my kids at all. Concerned :roll: )
Not this blog.
Best of luck.
I'll pray for you all.
Don't need it.
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Awww, you guys are too cute.
Last I check doing illegal drugs is not law abiding...
Rachel, you should write Oprah, you've accomplished a lot. But not shaving your legs? Yikes! That is a disease isn't it?!
Anne; Your questions? As Naive as they are...
What would happen if a child decided that they wanted to leave?
What would happen if a child refused to sign themselves in?
What would happen if a child refused to admit to a drug or alcohol problem?
What if a child wanted a court hearing to speak to an objective, qualified person for a proper diagnosis or second opinion?
Children are a parents' responsibility until their children reach the age of 18 (unless ended by a Court Order). If a parent discharges their Parental Responsibility over to the treatment centre temporarily (they had to sign papers too, knitwit...) then you CHILDREN are S.O.L. They are your guardians.
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Anything else?
I mean, if it was hell for you, sure...it was hell for you. Who am I to argue your experiences. But why try to take away the experiences of others? If it changes their lives and they are happier for it and living great lives...seems like to fight them is to show a bit of envy?
If you're lives are so better now. Leave it alone. Get on with your life. Or get a life and stop crying your tears in some stupid blog. Get a job...go for a walk...or get back to all your "GOOD DEEDS" you used to do.
Writing on here is not helping your cause. AARC is thriving. Just had the best and biggest Fund Raising Anniversay Ball of all time. Where graduates (I'm guessing NONE of you graduated...) recounted and shared their stories and how amazing they feel now. That stuff is real.
Not this blog.
Best of luck.
I'll pray for you all.
Well first off you sad, sad fuck AARC is a "rehab" center not a jail. They "treat" drug "addiction", they do not enforce laws or punish law breakers. Rachel is not/was not an addict so fuck you.
As guardians they are responsible for securing medical care, protecting children from abuse and neglect, and providing an education. In addition as a center that houses and looks after kids they must report to the authorities any incidents of abuse, accidents that result in injury, and suicidal behavior. Their responsibilities extend to the host homes.
In all of that AARC fails and even goes to great lengths to cover up abuse of clients by forcing them to sign phony documents, among other things.
Regardless of someones positive view of AARC abuse is abuse and is beyond the twisted interpretations of AARC and brainwashing wears off eventually. Fighting for justice is moving on as well as living life, which these survivors do everyday despite nightmares, flashbacks, ptsd, and unimaginable personal hells. They raise families, work, go to school, and lead the lives AARC told them they would not have and did not deserve. Most importantly they are coming to kick your ass AARC.
Oh, and don't bother clicking your heels together hoping this will all go away,
Message: That foot in your ass is real and is about have company.
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To be honest in my opinion this is your way of rationalizing your problem what do we always do place the blame on someone else!
WHAT[/i] problem? The only 'problem' I have is that a program that is directly descended from Straight and still uses their methods (phases, confrontation, isolation, communication cut off, Steps etc.) is allowed to continue to force their bullshit 'therapies' on unsuspecting and very vulnerable children. The only way AARC could help me with that is to shut its doors, turn Vause over to the authorities for child abuse and pay each kid they hurt millions in damages.
i have never seen people so angry with aarc they saved my life and if you gave it a chance they could change yours as well!
Ain't that just like a cult member. "Come join us! WE have the answer! " You just can't stop yourself from recruiting, can you?
:roll:
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You guys have been out now, some of your 10 years??? What have you done, what have you accomplished in your plea to close AARC. Never heard tell of you or seen any thing in the papers, news, -nowhere has there been such spread of hatred and blame for all your own problems than on this blog. So, who's really taken you serious? Where is all the proof to your accusations and claims. I mean these are stories the media would kill for? The drama alone would attract them in droves...so what are you doing? Blogging. Keep it up. I'll come back and get you for any new campaign I'm working on.
Kids, it's called DENIAL.
Adults go through the same "rehabilitation" it's the method taught to addictions counsellors all over. Because though you feel 'entitled' to be victims and deny your ANY accountabilities... the poor me, I don't deserve to be here speech...no, it won't get you out.
Ya that's right brainiac:
re·ha·bil·i·tate verb, -tat·ed, -tat·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to restore to a condition of good health, ability to work, or the like.
2. to restore to good condition, operation, or management, as a bankrupt business.
3. to reestablish the good reputation of (a person, one's character or name, etc.).
4. to restore formally to former capacity, standing, rank, rights, or privileges.
–verb (used without object) 5. to undergo rehabilitation.
Have you reviewed the papers your parents signed? You were there for a reason. Sue if you're so wrong done by. Why won't anyone listen?
And Anne? You won't use the word "concerned" with your kids?
Please don't have kids.
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Once more with feeling AARColyte, if there's no validity to the ranting of this tiny, insignificant minority, what in the name of Dean, the one, true indivisible God, are you doing posting here? That seems bizarre, kind of like seeking out schizophrenics on the street for advice on finanical planning. Do you do that JC? You're right about that "entitlement" thing. I had to tear into my Special Lady Friend the other night about that. Imagine her denying her accountability in being sexually abused by her male oldcomer, or having her face bitten by a female oldcomer while the oldcomer's sister restrained her. The unmitigated gall! And she would have used that "poor me" speech to get out if they had allowed her to see her mom. Fortunately for all concerned the good people of AARC prevented her from seeing her mother until the wound healed. They also got her to sign a statement that she had made up the whole story and had inflicted the wound on herself. Thank you AARC for not letting my lady love fall prey to her own sense of entitlement.
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You guys have been out now, some of your 10 years??? What have you done, what have you accomplished in your plea to close AARC. Never heard tell of you or seen any thing in the papers, news, -nowhere has there been such spread of hatred and blame for all your own problems than on this blog. So, who's really taken you serious? Where is all the proof to your accusations and claims. I mean these are stories the media would kill for? The drama alone would attract them in droves...so what are you doing? Blogging. Keep it up. I'll come back and get you for any new campaign I'm working on.
Small steps Ellie, small steps. AARC has flown under the radar for a while now. Shit, it took a damn long time before people really understood what was going on in Straight. It's the same for AARC. You're in an entirely different country. I'm sure the 'alternative' feeling of AARC makes it palatable for y'all (sorry, couldn't resist :D ) just like it does for the Dems here. Here, the Repugnicans (I said it first Scarlett ;) ) like the 'get tough' feeling of it, while the Dems sleep thinking, without doing ANY investigation, that this is an 'alternative' to jail or juvie. Show of hands, how many people have been in both 'programs' and juvie? How many people would prefer the minimal human rights (communication with the outside world so we have some kind of checks and balances on reality, not just what's spoonfed to us by the 'believers') you enjoy in juvie over the humiliation and degredation and complete and total compliance and conformity of AARC?
Adults go through the same "rehabilitation" it's the method taught to addictions counsellors all over. Because though you feel 'entitled' to be victims and deny your ANY accountabilities... the poor me, I don't deserve to be here speech...no, it won't get you out.
Bullshit! Adults are NOT subjected to the amount of ridicule, humiliation, isolation and complete force of 'therapy' that these kids are. Adults have recourse through the courts. Kids are at the mercy of scared, vulnerable parents and the twisted fucks like Newton and Vause that prey upon them. Don't you dare compare some 30 day resort to what these kids are forced to endure for two years of their precious, fleeting adolescence.
Ya that's right brainiac:
re·ha·bil·i·tate verb, -tat·ed, -tat·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to restore to a condition of good health, ability to work, or the like.
2. to restore to good condition, operation, or management, as a bankrupt business.
3. to reestablish the good reputation of (a person, one's character or name, etc.).
4. to restore formally to former capacity, standing, rank, rights, or privileges.
–verb (used without object) 5. to undergo rehabilitation.
Sure, You tell me the fucking therapeutic value of the sort of forced confession and humiliation these kids are put through. You sound like one of those vengeful, jealous pricks that can't do what the 'cool kids' are doing so you shit all over anything you either don't have the capacity to fathom, or aren't "allowed" to do. Anymore at least. :rofl: There ain't a Goddamn thing rehabilitative or therapeutic about AARC/Straight/Pathway/Growing Together/SAFE or any of the other incarnations of the sadistic thing that was borne of the great Drug War. Reclaim your critical thinking skills. They're still there. Buried, but they're there. Think outside the box for a minute. Try reality instead of that insular little world you've been conditioned to believe has any importance on life. At all.
Have you reviewed the papers your parents signed? You were there for a reason. Sue if you're so wrong done by. Why won't anyone listen?
Are you kidding? Straight spent a few nights at the building shredding every document they had after they were run out of Florida for abusing kids under the guise of 'therapy'. Most parents threw that shit out long ago.
And Anne? You won't use the word "concerned" with your kids?
Please don't have kids.
Ah and there it is. Again, I must be a loser. My kids must be beyond repair. If you could only see them. They're 19 and 22. Both in nursing school. I couldn't be more proud.
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So you've also been to Adult Rehabs to know have you? uh-huh okay then...
You've been to Straight...not AARC? I see....
You're one bitter MoFo eh?
I'll pose you the same question...why blog about your woes trying to educate those merely being entertained by your hatred and poor me -but doing nothing about it but blogging?
Why have you all not been able to close AARC? If it helps no one abuses everyone, houses the devil himself, preys on poor innocent CHILDREN that do nothing to deserve being put in there (except maybe threaten their own or their families lives...but let's see...their being misunderstood, is that it?
Go out, get lawyers, tell your story to the world, go to the news, file complaints, sue, these are all your rights aren't they? Why are you just typing about it? Is that your remedy?
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So you've also been to Adult Rehabs to know have you? uh-huh okay then...
No. The only 'rehab' I've been to is Straight.
edited to add.... of course it couldn't be that I have a legitimate complaint. It MUST be because there's something defective in me, because it could NEVER be the program! One of the big characteristics of a cult. Nice job defending you position dipshit. Why are you so afraid to have someone challenge your dogma?
:rofl:
You've been to Straight...not AARC? I see....
Yep
You're one bitter MoFo eh?
Uh huh. As most people would be if an institution completely obliterated their family.
I'll pose you the same question...why blog about your woes trying to educate those merely being entertained by your hatred and poor me -but doing nothing about it but blogging?
To warn other people about the sickness that is this industry. I've spoken with, and still have great relationships with at least a dozen parents that, through finding these boards and then further researching on their own either didn't send their kid away or pulled them out. Those are my proudest moments. Mission Accomplished.
Why have you all not been able to close AARC? If it helps no one abuses everyone, houses the devil himself, preys on poor innocent CHILDREN that do nothing to deserve being put in there (except maybe threaten their own or their families lives...but let's see...their being misunderstood, is that it?
Well, I wasn't even aware of AARC until I found Fornits. Most sheople aren't. They buy the line about the 'damn druggie kids needin' someplace[/b]. They believe the Drug War hype and are scared into submission. Its really not that difficult to understand if you have even a cursory knowledge of psychology.
Go out, get lawyers, tell your story to the world, go to the news, file complaints, sue, these are all your rights aren't they? Why are you just typing about it? Is that your remedy?
We have. Miller Newton can no longer practice psychology edited to add the correction...'can no longer see minors as a psychologist unless supervised by another board certified psychologist. We all know how well that would go over with Dr. Sadistic Narcissist He's now an 'antioch orthodox priest' "counseling" people at his 'retreat' in Madeira Beach, FL. He may no longer have any contact in a 'counseling' premise with minors. That's a huge accomplishment. Mel Sembler (the founding father of all Seed/Straight/AARC/SAFE/Pathways/Growing Together facilities is being exposed in court for the sadist that he is. Vause isn't far behind.
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Why have you all not been able to close AARC? If it helps no one abuses everyone, houses the devil himself, preys on poor innocent CHILDREN that do nothing to deserve being put in there (except maybe threaten their own or their families lives...but let's see...their being misunderstood, is that it?
Go out, get lawyers, tell your story to the world, go to the news, file complaints, sue, these are all your rights aren't they? Why are you just typing about it? Is that your remedy?
It's okay David. AARC will be closed. It's not your fault that your step-dad decided to bring Kids to Calgary. He was stupid and misguided, and who could have known that the Wizard was a manipulative, scheming psychopath? In a perfect world you would have had a backbone and not given yourself over to the little turd to please your mommy, but you could still grow up and be a man. See you in the funny papers.
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I have spent the last while reading throug the pros and cons of AARC and the experiences that people have had while going through AARC or something similar to AARC. However, I find one thing lacking in the nay sayers argument and that is proof. Proof would consist of maybe legal evidence of any wrong doing on the part of AARC. However, because it is an experience there may not be any proof, but maybe if it is so wrong that person would make the effort to go down to AARC and confront their "abusers". This also does not seem to happen. I believe this to be because they don't want to face the hundred of people, families and kids that it has helped along the way. I have heard about Straight and about Kids and both sound like programs with very serious problems, but these are not AARC. They have never been AARC and they never will be AARC. I have no problem with any of you disliking, hating or any other feeling about AARC, but how about not being so cowardly about it and do something if you think you can. If you believe that kids and families are being abused in Calgary then I challenge you to do something about it. Why don't you come down on a Friday, why don't you talk to the government or the media. I can give you one hint, no one would listen. Have you not noticed how when the media covers AARC they are all very impressed with the progress and help that the kids can recieve.
Now, do I agree with everything that AARC does, no. I would prefer to see kids left longer to use drugs and alcohol to ensure that when they come into the center they are going to have no disolusionment about thier addictions to drugs and alcohol. However, this is not the case for some desperate parents and their kids are admitted at a young age. But you are gonig to be hard pressed to convince me that experience at Kids or Straight is a direct and accurate reflection of what AARC is like. AARC is accredited by the governement of Alberta, recieves money each year as funding from the government and has been approached by other provincial governments about the possibility of building an AARC in their areas.
Further, I have seen posts about graduates that have had major problems. Some have comitted major and horable crimes. Funny thing about all of that is that they were using drugs and alcohol when it happened. You don't see to many out there doing those things when they are sober.
So, I guess all in all, I find this site to be a little bit pathetic. You come on here to rant about a place you have never been to, or that you think that you know something about. If you had a bad experience at AARC then I feel sorry for you because it has helped so many people. You may have reason to dislike AARC, you did not recieve the benefits that so many already have. However, for you that hate Straight and Kids and any other program out there that is NOT AARC, find something better to do with your time. Maybe if you got out and lived life like some of us you would be a whole lot happier and spend a lot less time in these places writing to people you won't meet, don't know and don't care about.
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Again, we have an AARColyte resorting to outright lies. AARC is Kids, and was started as Kids of the Canadian West. The Wizard of Vause, as has been repeated here ad infiitum, worked at Kids, and the original peer counsellors of AARC came from Kids. Guest and those like him will make ideal witnesses for the victims of AARC because in their delusion they will tell you black is white.
Perhaps though, guest is onto something. Perhaps a single adolescent girl should try to confront an institution that has the backing of corrupt or ignorant politicians. Perhaps she ought to march down to AARC upon her release and demand justice from people who are photographed by the fawning media with the Chief of Police. It didn't work out too well for Mylitta. However, it isn't one adolescent girl anymore, it is a group of adults who were victims as children. But they grew up.
And AARC is not accredited by the Government of Alberta as anything other than a crisis nursery. It can't be accredited because the creep in charge is a fraud with no qualifications to run a treatment center.
Every time one of you clowns tries to talk about AARC, you can't write two paragraphs without resorting to a bald-faced lie.
Funny thing about those graduates who commit crimes while using drugs. They've all finished the program and been pronounced cured.
Last but not least jerk-off, what are you doing posting here? Once again, if the site is pathetic and no one has any grounds for their complaints, then you have no reason to post. If the only folks in this forum are loser druggies who just couldn't absorb the wonder of AARC, what kind of deviant would repeatedly taunt such unfortunates?
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I have spent the last while reading throug the pros and cons of AARC and the experiences that people have had while going through AARC or something similar to AARC. However, I find one thing lacking in the nay sayers argument and that is proof. Proof would consist of maybe legal evidence of any wrong doing on the part of AARC. However, because it is an experience there may not be any proof, but maybe if it is so wrong that person would make the effort to go down to AARC and confront their "abusers". This also does not seem to happen. I believe this to be because they don't want to face the hundred of people, families and kids that it has helped along the way.
Believe whatever you want. People, myself included, talked about abuses in Straight long before any lawsuits were filed. Unfortunately Straight had many friends and allies in the Florida gov't and police departments. That appears to be the case with AARC also.
I was petrified to 'confront' the people who had so horribly abused me. Especially to actually go down to the building, the belly of the beast, to do this 'confrontation'. Why would any victim put themselves through that? Being surrounded by a bunch of the 'faithful' isn't any easy thing to do. You people have a knack for turning things around and blaming the victim.
I have heard about Straight and about Kids and both sound like programs with very serious problems, but these are not AARC. They have never been AARC and they never will be AARC.
Then how do you explain the levels or phases? The confrontations? The lack of privacy, using graduates of the program as staff? How do you explain that grads of KIDS were the first 'staff' to open up AARC? How do you explain Vause being personally trained by the Devil himself, Miller Newton? How do you explain the fact that the descriptions of the program, even those by pro-program people are exactly like my descriptions of Straight?
I have no problem with any of you disliking, hating or any other feeling about AARC,
Oh, well whew! I was really worried you might have a problem with it.
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but how about not being so cowardly about it and do something if you think you can.
Because you people scare the shit out of your victims. They are justified in cowering in fear of you freaks.
If you believe that kids and families are being abused in Calgary then I challenge you to do something about it. Why don't you come down on a Friday, why don't you talk to the government or the media.
I can't say for sure if they're being abused or not. What I can say is that every description of AARC is virtually identical to what I experienced in Straight and since AARC is a DIRECT descendant of Straight and VAUSE was trained by MILLER NEWTON. Those facts lead me to believe that what these kids are saying about their abuse is absolutely true.
I can give you one hint, no one would listen. Have you not noticed how when the media covers AARC they are all very impressed with the progress and help that the kids can recieve.
That's because they're sheep and have arrested critical thinking skills. That's where we come in. We wake them up and give them a dose of reality.
Now, do I agree with everything that AARC does, no. I would prefer to see kids left longer to use drugs and alcohol to ensure that when they come into the center they are going to have no disolusionment about thier addictions to drugs and alcohol.
Oh my god. Are you really that stupid to actually write that down? Your suggestion is to facilitate more drug use so that the kids really, really get that they're going to be deadinsaneorinjail without benefit of The Great and Poweful Oz? Ummmm. Riiiiiiiight. :roll:
Why not educate the parents to teach the kids about responsible use before things get out of hand. How about not buying into all the fear mongering about how marijuana will lead to heroin and deathinsanityorjail?
However, this is not the case for some desperate parents and their kids are admitted at a young age.
So then you're admitting that AARC accepts and 'treats' kids who do not have a problem?????
But you are gonig to be hard pressed to convince me that experience at Kids or Straight is a direct and accurate reflection of what AARC is like. AARC is accredited by the governement of Alberta, recieves money each year as funding from the government and has been approached by other provincial governments about the possibility of building an AARC in their areas.
Straight was started by grants from the Federal U.S. Gov't. It continued to be funded by them.
I'll say again, that all descriptions of AARC both pro and con are almost identical to what I experienced in Straight.
Further, I have seen posts about graduates that have had major problems. Some have comitted major and horable crimes. Funny thing about all of that is that they were using drugs and alcohol when it happened. You don't see to many out there doing those things when they are sober.
I thought AARC was supposed to fix all that? You mean graduates of the program are having problems after getting out? GASP! NO! Really????
:o :roll:
So, I guess all in all, I find this site to be a little bit pathetic. You come on here to rant about a place you have never been to, or that you think that you know something about.
Yep, there's that AARC compassion for someone else who is suffering. We're all pathetic losers, right?
If you had a bad experience at AARC then I feel sorry for you because it has helped so many people.
Really? Would you care to back that up with long term studies and research? Or are you just pulling that right out of your ass? You ask us for proof, where's yours? Where is the research?
You may have reason to dislike AARC, you did not recieve the benefits that so many already have. However, for you that hate Straight and Kids and any other program out there that is NOT AARC, find something better to do with your time. Maybe if you got out and lived life like some of us you would be a whole lot happier and spend a lot less time in these places writing to people you won't meet, don't know and don't care about.
Again, we all must be losers with no life, right? Get new material, that's getting old. :roll:
AARC is a direct descendant of Straight, uses the same methods, AARC's director was trained by Miller Newton himself and Miller was run out of every single state he went to, for abuse. I guess he figured he's try his luck in another country. Wow. Looks like he did an excellent job at setting up Straight Canada a/k/a AARC.
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I'm a mom who unknowingly put my kid in AARC. I immediately started to be worried about my OWN treatment there and did a little more research on the subject. Leading me here.
Ok... I'm convinced... I was ALREADY convinced before I even read all your posts. Pros & Cons.
Now... how do I get my kid OUT of there... and will my kid even willingly leave with me or are they too brainwashed already!!!!!
How does a mom get her kid out of AARC????
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AARC is not a detention centre, thus they have no legal right to detain your child. If you wish to retrieve your child, then simply go and pick your child up. You will undoubtedly be fed misinformation, but go there with that in mind. The Wizard has been at this for a long time, so he will give it the old mail-order college try to keep your child. The bottom line is that you can do it. Good luck!
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Well I brought him there from court!! They asked to photocopy the court papers gave me 1/2 hour to fill out another 40 pages of information and managed to NOT give the papers back to me... I was so flustered with them screeching at me to finish filling in the paperwork I didn't think to ask for the documents back.
My child may have been court ordered there. I am picking up a copy of the release documents from the probation officer this afternoon.
He may be required by court to stay there. But then again... why am I paying for it if he's court ordered?? I dont' know for sure. I asked AARC for the papers back but they seem to not have them. Considering it was crucial that they had a copy in the first place...I find it very interesting that they weren't requesting a copy of them from me after they couldnt' find the ones I gave them in the first place!!!
If they don't have a copy... and they needed one why aren't they needing one now??? Hmmm... interesting.
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Your child is at the greatest risk from AARC. My Special Lady Friend was sent there by the courts as well. You need to get in touch with your son's probation officer immediately, and you need to talk to your son's lawyer. My special lady friend did not see her PO for the duration of her stay. Vause will tell you that your son is a danger to himself and others, as this fits the at-risk legislation. Disregard this. They have no legal right to hold your boy, AARC is not legally a detention facility. He may threaten to keep your child in host-homes for the duration of his captivity or have him go into the foster care system. It's bullshit. They may tell you that his other choice is the Young Offender's Centre. He will be better protected in CYOC. You are between a rock and a hard place, but that boy needs your help now.
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He came from CYOC... had spent the previous several months there.
I was plotting to get him in there... and the most logical way was through the courts!!!
I may have signed papers releasing him into their custody... I had less than half an hour AFTER a Grad to fill in the paperwork to get him in there... I was being picked on every few minutes by that Brown fellow to hurry up. I didn't even complete the paperwork... he gathered it all up and told me to leave.
Yes that WAS my FIRST red flag!!!
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It is expected that a mother would want her child out of the youth jail system, and drug treatment is a logical alternative. But that's not what AARC is providing, and they do not have custody of your child. If you need help, then register and send me a private message.
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Edit: Don't want all y'all to have my info :D.
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He came from CYOC... had spent the previous several months there.
I was plotting to get him in there... and the most logical way was through the courts!!!
I may have signed papers releasing him into their custody... I had less than half an hour AFTER a Grad to fill in the paperwork to get him in there... I was being picked on every few minutes by that Brown fellow to hurry up. I didn't even complete the paperwork... he gathered it all up and told me to leave.
Yes that WAS my FIRST red flag!!!
Any attys in the house? Signing a contract under DURESS? I don't believe you can 'sign away custody' of your child to an entity like that, but I dunno.
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Legal advice and or assistance will be arranged for anyone who needs it to get a child out of AARC. Always keep in mind that AARC is fraudulent, so if you need hip-waders to get through their bullshit, strap up and carry on.