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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 21, 2007, 10:42:39 PM
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I am doing some research on how Straight and KHK broke the same laws, and I have a pretty good list going, but I am wondering if anyone can brainstorm any more that I am forgetting:
Illegal strip searches
Child abuse
Sexual abuse
False imprisonment
Physical abuse
Mental abuse
Denial of the right of freedom of choice of religion
Hate Crimes
Torture
Denial of human rights
Illegal foster homes
Uncertified counselors
Unconfidential client files
Improper diagnosis
Denial of education to minors
Any suggestions on what Straight survivors experienced, I most likely experienced it in KHK, so please, mention anything that comes to mind. Thanks!
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Good list... I think you about covered it all there...
EDIT: Physical abuse is a rather broad category; under that, we could include a lot:
sleep & food deprivation
being restrained, sat on
forced to exercise
nearly suffocated to the point of passing out from having the heat turned up in the middle of the summer during an exercise rap
(this happened in St. Pete, FL under Miller Newton)
etc etc etc....
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Remember that there was no communication with family of friends on 1st phase, (No specified time limit). Hell... even the police allow you phone calls.
I'm sure this breaks some kind or right.
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Document, Document, Document
Illegal strip searches ....How was it conducted, by whom?
Child abuse ....Who was abused, How were they abused? witnesses?
Sexual abuse ...Who was abused, How were they abused? witnesses?
False imprisonment ...Back up the statement...any charges against you? Denied a writ of Habius Corpus? (sp)
Physical abuse ....Broken bones, scares, any perminate nerve damage?
Mental abuse ...Can ya get a physician to give a PTSD diag?
Denial of the right of freedom of choice of religion ....Explain...in detail.
Hate Crimes...Describe the incident or incidents....witnesses?
Torture ...Same with Mental abuse, got a physians diag of PTSD, any broken bones, scares.
Denial of human rights ....Describe in VIVID detail, List them one by one.
Illegal foster homes... Describe the conditions, name names.
Uncertified counselors.... Again, name names
Unconfidential client files...... Explain in full detail...got witnesses?
Improper diagnosis... Can you get a physician to prove otherwise?
Denial of education to minors ....Gather school records from local school administration...gather letters from former educators.
Understand, I am not raining on your parade. But I will tell you that manyof us,if not most of us waited way to long to have anything really stick. Much of what we went thru had lapsed into statutes of limitations....we waited to long....primarily because we didnt know we could do anything or were to traumatized to do anything. And we lacked any real form of orgainization at that time.
I cant express the importance of documentation. Your efforts will be laughed at without serious records of the abuse and circumstances you endured.
I wish you much success!!!
In Peace
woof
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If you get a copy of the ISAC Crimes Report you will see many detailed out , it is a long list.
I believe Marti still holds thousands of documents to that substanciate all the crimes. Including many documents never released.
I haven't seen her in a long while so I am not sure how you would get a hold of her. You might try asking the web mistress of this board. She might know how to get a hold of her.
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FRAUD
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One specific case of abuse that happened when I was in Straight Atlanta (Marietta, GA). There were thes 3 brothers Bob, Ben, and Jeff Ambrose.
Ben was the misbehavor from hell. I saw him start misbehaving, being pinned to the floor with someone always trying to force his mouth shut. (Ben was known to bite.... :lol: )
I guess executive staff member Dennis Buttimer decided that they needed "Tough Love" and had a meeting with some of the bigger 4th and 5th phasers and told them that the misbehavers needed to have the steps drilled into them. (We all know what that meant).
That night they started grabbing the misbehavers and dragging them into the boys bathroom where the ungodly was done. They got jumped, out numbered there was no winning.
Ben who was one of the brothers had his head forced into the toilet and was beaten pretty badly. Prior to this he was forced to clean the floors of the bathrooms with a toothbrush while being held by the back of his pants. And during this time he had been made to stay awake by his oldcomers who took turns making sure that he got no sleep.
From my understanding his family did file charges against Straight. I don't know what the outcome was, however I have to commend Ben for being as strong minded as he was. All I know is that it wasn't long after the bathroom incident that all 3 brothers disappeared.
"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive!" [/color]
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peanut butter sandwiches with orange juice, now THAT'S just wrong!!
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Kidnapping (those who were 18 and older)
Since it happened to me I am a witness that can document that this happened. Other players could too, the question is willingness to do so. There is one public record to substantiate this as well.
My 2005 PTSD diagnoses is documented in writing and clear states the cause as Straight Inc. That would definitely substantiate many things in the original post relevant to child abuse...ie. mental, emotional and psychological abuse, torture etc.
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Back a couple of years ago I spent some time with Marti and other survivors.
They do infact have thousands of documents. Some never released.
I know they have records from the bank that held Straight funds.
I know they have many records from DFAF that have not been put in mainstream.
I also know that they hold the records for all criminal charges cited in the
"Crimes Report", "Fraud Report" and "Sembler Report".
I know they have many of Betty Semblers records as well.
I know they have some hand written records of the Semblers as well.
I also know that these records have been copied and three survivors have them.
What I don't know is how to get a hold of the three individuals that hold the records. I know Marti is one of them.
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I am sure you are a well meaning survivor but you could have contacted ginger and found out how to get a hold of me and called me and asked me BEFORE you mention by name that I house all these documents.
I will be happy to provide any survivor or survivors attorney with ANY documents they need. I have no way of knowing if the person asking is a reporter, survivor or what.
I will also provide any reporter with the documents provided they intend and do a legit story.
Again, I am sure that you were just trying to help no hard feelings but i prefer to remain doing my thing in the background.
Ginger will know if the survivor asking for documents is legit. Talk to her if your legit she will give you my email.
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forgot to sign that one
Marti
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How do I contact this Ginger and Marti? I am a well meaning survivor and those documents would be extremely useful...
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ginger is the webmisstress of the forum and she will tell you how to contact Marti if she knows your a survivor.
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Has there ever been a class action against straight, inc?
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S~
I wanted to know the same thing. I have thought about this over and over but wasn't sure who would want to participate or even how to get together with other survivors to talk about it.
J~
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Straights many disservices to me were topped off by their complete failure to figure out I WAS FUCKING DEPRESSED. I WAS DEPRIVED OF ANY CONTACT w MY FAMILY FOR ALL OF 3rd PHASE,because I simply said I wasnt readyto go back to fucking school. NO matter what I told these assholes they never listened I ENDED up with a huge gap in my family and the only thing I seriously hoped to gain was some semblance of relationship with them(or at least my dad) My mom was seriously mentally ill and from the outside seemed pretty lucid but I spent most of my childhood being slapped,kicked and beaten by her over largely delusional shit.She made me sleep in a closet underneath the goddamn stairs and piss in a coffee can when my dad was on the road.When he was home she told him a bunch of shit that ranged from untrue to grossly exagerated and half the time he bought into it.THESE MOTHERFUCKERS NEVER EVER HELPED ME. THERAPY??? NO MORE LIKE FRAUD.I look at things people have written about "traits of serial killers " I HAVE ALMOST ALL OF THEM.scares the fuck out of me I never wanted or had kids for this reason.I HAD/HAVE ISSUES THAT PREDATE STRAIGHT my parents were sold a bill of goods so was I . I just wanted that one thing thats all.
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Seamus,
I am sorry your mother put you through those horrible experiences.
As far as straight go's, I understand you completely. When I refused to conform to their ways I was repeatedly restrained by big fat bitches who thought it would be fun to put there hands over my mouth and nose so I would have to scream and gasp for air. On the verge of begging for my life. The whole world went to hell when I refused to write my MI one night. Don;t even want to tell you what happened then.
This place was nothing more then domestic torture camps for throw-away teens. I am so fucking tired of Parents saying "I didn't know that Straight was like that". Fuck that shit. Fuck them. My only hope is that these sorry mother fuckers get what's coming to them.
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Shiki??? The Shiki?
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Has there ever been a class action against straight, inc?
I found this link (http://http://www.thestraights.com/legal/matrix-civil-criminal.htm) on webdiva's site that lists court cases against straight
@webdiva, I just read your site :( ::rose:: ::rose::
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I am doing some research on how Straight and KHK broke the same laws, and I have a pretty good list going, but I am wondering if anyone can brainstorm any more that I am forgetting:
Illegal strip searches
Child abuse
Sexual abuse
False imprisonment
Physical abuse
Mental abuse
Denial of the right of freedom of choice of religion
Hate Crimes
Torture
Denial of human rights
Illegal foster homes
Uncertified counselors
Unconfidential client files
Improper diagnosis
Denial of education to minors
Any suggestions on what Straight survivors experienced, I most likely experienced it in KHK, so please, mention anything that comes to mind. Thanks!
A Forensic Psychologist I've had to see for my child custody evaluation said another one that hit me like a ton of bricks...
this one has no statute of limitations federally... if you werre transported over state borders (and most of KIDS of NJ's people were), then its a federal crime:
Kidnapping.
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Kidnapping (those who were 18 and older)
Since it happened to me I am a witness that can document that this happened. Other players could too, the question is willingness to do so. There is one public record to substantiate this as well.
My 2005 PTSD diagnoses is documented in writing and clear states the cause as Straight Inc. That would definitely substantiate many things in the original post relevant to child abuse...ie. mental, emotional and psychological abuse, torture etc.
Yep... and there is no statute of limitations federally...
How about we all go together to the FBI and press charges vs. the directors of the institutions we were in (I was over 18 as well)
Anyone up for this?
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I am doing some research on how Straight and KHK broke the same laws, and I have a pretty good list going, but I am wondering if anyone can brainstorm any more that I am forgetting:
Illegal strip searches
Child abuse
Sexual abuse
False imprisonment
Physical abuse
Mental abuse
Denial of the right of freedom of choice of religion
Hate Crimes
Torture
Denial of human rights
Illegal foster homes
Uncertified counselors
Unconfidential client files
Improper diagnosis
Denial of education to minors
Any suggestions on what Straight survivors experienced, I most likely experienced it in KHK, so please, mention anything that comes to mind. Thanks!
A Forensic Psychologist I've had to see for my child custody evaluation said another one that hit me like a ton of bricks...
this one has no statute of limitations federally... if you werre transported over state borders (and most of KIDS of NJ's people were), then its a federal crime:
Kidnapping.
Unfortunately I wasnt transported across state lines, hell I was only transported a few miles! (still a felony though). My case, from what I was told by police recently was the highest degree felony (1) but the statute of limitations was 7 years (OHIO). My criminal case lapsed in 1993. But each state has its own laws so the statute of limitations might be different from state to state. My civil action from the same incident probably would have lapsed sooner than 1993. Of course the 2005 PTSD diagnosis probably gave me a who new civil cause of action but I am betting the statute of limitations on that is only 1 or 2 years and has probably lapsed already.
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To be clear, this would cover the one's that were under 18 years of age as well?
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To be clear, this would cover the one's that were under 18 years of age as well?
I know that there is a huge difference (legally) between being a minor versus an adult. I know there are kidnapping laws that do protect minors. I think that since parents have the "right to control, rear and educate their children as they see fit" and that kids have less legal rights than adults, it would be harder to qualify as kidnapping. But it can be called kidnapping (I have seen statutes but cant remember the specifics). Remember, Straight used parents in many of the kidnappings so my guess is that the law would be more on the parent's side than the child's.
In my case it was clear cut kidnapping since I reached the age of majority....my parents no longer had the law on their side, it was on mine.
So the answer to your question would depend on the law in the state where it occured and when it occurred as applied to the situation involving minors/parents.
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It wouldn't be kidnapping if the parent of a kid put the kid in the program. It's a tough shit shituation. Now, if the kid turned 18 and was held against their will, then that's different. Abuse is 2 years in OH, except sexual which would be 12 years. Somewhere there was something mentioned about "when you discover you were abused" or whatever, so if you just got a PTSD diagnosis, maybe you could play that card and start the clock from the time of that diagnosis. It's tough to claim 20 years later that you were abused at straight and have anyone give a shit, let alone trying to sue someone for it. People on the outside don't understand the dynamics involved in the treatment there in straight, etc... it's like the perfect crime for the perpetrators to commit since they don't have to worry about getting in trouble for it. The parents paid for it but they don't sue either so time goes by and nobody does anything so limits pass and oh well, shouldawouldacoulda back in the days following the abuse. If you could get someone who just got out of the program to file suit for abuse, then there may be a chance that something could come out of it since it has been going on for over 30 years. Maybe a RICO trial or something along that line.
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I really dont know if I totally agree here. I understand that each case is individual. I also agree that is one was kept against their will at the age of 18 and over is a crime and considered kidnapping. In my case, my parents had joint custody. JOINT. However my mother signed me into the program behind my fathers back and with out his permission. For 10 months my father and step mother tried contacting everyone they knew, upto and including Nancy Reagan herself. After my step mother wrote her a letter explaining what had happened, I got out a week later. Released to the custody of my father.
With all that is known about Straight and shit holes like it, I can not believe that we, the survivors of said shit holes do not have recourse. I just do not get it. Depriving people of our personal freedoms and worse. Not allowing us to go to school/work and have no contact with the outside world. To me, that is fucking kidnapping.
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Well don't let the law get you down, just because the law isn't on your side doesn't mean recourse is out of reach. You just have to get more creative, and no I don't mean violence...
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This may be a stretch, but it may be a viable
legal strategy:
If an individual, associated with Straight,
commited the crimes, as have been alleged
in this forum, and he attempted to bribe,
engage in fraud, or involve himself in any
other illegal act, so as to prevent a victim
from filing a lawsuit or even from going
public with the allegations, the statue(s) of
limitation could be suspended. The old
crimes could, then, be 'grandfathered in'
as an ongoing criminal conspiracy. Only
the individual charged, not Straight, would
be suspectible to this.
Conceivably, if Sembler or whoever were to
assult an anti-Straight protestor, that could
be interpreted as an overt act in furtherance
of covering up the past crimes. If Sembler
were to give an illegal campaign contribution
to a pro-drug war, zealot politician, who
could, somehow, 'run intereference' for
Sembler or prevent damage to his 'sterling
reputation', for example, by proclaiming
Sembler to be blameless of everything,
even that might be interpreted as a cover up.
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ok, so what about a Semblerite (straightinc exec) who is "exposed", but their current bosses ignore his past behavior, he still works around kids, shaping their heads, the media does not report it, actually intentionally avoids it etc... and everyone else doesn't seem to give a shit?
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I really dont know if I totally agree here. I understand that each case is individual. I also agree that is one was kept against their will at the age of 18 and over is a crime and considered kidnapping. In my case, my parents had joint custody. JOINT. However my mother signed me into the program behind my fathers back and with out his permission. For 10 months my father and step mother tried contacting everyone they knew, upto and including Nancy Reagan herself. After my step mother wrote her a letter explaining what had happened, I got out a week later. Released to the custody of my father.
With all that is known about Straight and shit holes like it, I can not believe that we, the survivors of said shit holes do not have recourse. I just do not get it. Depriving people of our personal freedoms and worse. Not allowing us to go to school/work and have no contact with the outside world. To me, that is fucking kidnapping.
Your situation is what I was thinking about in regards to the possibility of kidnapping of minors. There are definitely laws pertaining to those specific situations. For example, one parent takes kid for the weekend but refuses to return the kid to the other parent, or one parent just disappears with the kid, etc.
The other situation I had in mind was where Straight used program parents (not the child's parents) or 7 steppers to forcibly return cop outs. I would think that it is at least arguable that this was kidnapping. These individuals did not have legal custody and were not on staff so I cant see how they could hunt down, capture and forcible hold and return a minor child to Straight without it being legally kidnapping.
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Hmmm, thinking about the first point you made. I agree, it is considered kidnapping if one parent kidnaps a kid from the other parent. I am thinking it may apply in my case. Who know's? The more and more I read, the more I am informed and the more confused I get.
I think about the possibility of a "lawsuit" and what that would exactly mean for the survivors.
It wouldn't stop the abuse that occured.
It wouldn't give back the time we lost, the schoolong we lost.
It will never repay being broken down, and broken down until there is nothing left.
It wont make up for being restrained by fat ass bitches more times then I can count, that held their hands over my nose and mouth at the same time, just to scare the shit out of me in hopes of producing a confession out of me.
It wont help in making up for sleep depervation I endured at that time.
It wont make up for the malnutrition I suffered during that time.
It wont make up for the nightmares I had consistantly for years, and still do off and on.
It wont make up for being led around like a dog by your belt-loop.
It wont make up for my bleeding ass from not being able to shit for the first few weeks I was in there.
It will not solve my inability to trust. ANYONE!!!!! or question their intensions.
It wont make up for any of it.
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I think about the possibility of a "lawsuit" and what that would exactly mean for the survivors.
It wouldn't stop the abuse that occured.
It wouldn't give back the time we lost, the schoolong we lost.
It will never repay being broken down, and broken down until there is nothing left.
It wont make up for being restrained by fat ass bitches more times then I can count, that held their hands over my nose and mouth at the same time, just to scare the shit out of me in hopes of producing a confession out of me.
It wont help in making up for sleep depervation I endured at that time.
It wont make up for the malnutrition I suffered during that time.
It wont make up for the nightmares I had consistantly for years, and still do off and on.
It wont make up for being led around like a dog by your belt-loop.
It wont make up for my bleeding ass from not being able to shit for the first few weeks I was in there.
It will not solve my inability to trust. ANYONE!!!!! or question their intensions.
It wont make up for any of it.
You are absolutely right----no amount of money will make up for any of these things. I could see getting a feeling of vindication, maybe, but a class action suit would make a couple of lawyers rich and give each survivor a check for $50.
Personally, and in no way do I say this in a "get over it" type context, to you or anyone else, I am morwe interested in "recovering from recovery", learning how to build a healthy and sustainable life from the shit that I, and others like me, went through. I want to learn how to heal the wounds, or at least learn how to cope with them. The more I think about it, the more I get pissed off at myself for letting those assholes continue to influence me for so long.
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To recover from Straight I have to be able to come to terms with it.
So far I haven't and still have no clue on how to go about it.
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Well, it ain't easy, I can tell you that much. The real bitch for me is that for so long I seemd to be unaware of just how deeply they did influence and affect me. I just thought I was the only one who thought the place was fucked up. Then, some 20+ years later, I Google "Straight, Inc." and find these sites. Jaw-dropping. I freaked when I saw how many others basically have the same story as I do, with variations. I think I may suffer from PTSD, I dunno, I'm not a shrink........but I do know I have a LOT in common with those who have been diagnosed with PTSD/PTSS. It's fucked up, I know, and coming to terms with it is just the beginning, it seems.
Where do I go from here? Those seem to be the words on everyone's lips.......
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One thing I'd like to see come from any lawsuit is, LAWS to govern these places. I want to stop this from continuing to happen.
I was on that floor every day, people physically forced me to do almost everything on a daily basis or withheld personal rights to force me to do so. To imagine children still endure any of what happen to me in there haunts my every moment. I want to see children have the right to say:
HEY THIS ISN"T RIGHT, I WANT TO SEE A LAWYER OR SOCIAL WORKER OR MY PARENTS.
Of all the things I was denied, the single right to object to what was going on around me was the most terminal, I still can not object about it to my own family. I asked for a withdraw every day, and while I got out faster than 7th steppers, 6.5 long months on consequences was inhumane, in every way I could describe to you. But my own family still sees that whole ordeal as my inability to comply w/ SOCIETY's RULES.... Who the fuck ordained Straights philosophy, as The general norm of Society?
This is what MUST change to save the future's children. Children must be given the same rights as humans that many take for granted, or just take from others. The power struggle of the powerful and weak must be re-looked at and evaluated, no matter the context.
If I could just find that magic way to stop this kind of treatment from still continuing, my life would somehow seem justified.
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ok, so what about a Semblerite (straightinc exec) who is "exposed", but their current bosses ignore his past behavior, he still works around kids, shaping their heads, the media does not report it, actually intentionally avoids it etc... and everyone else doesn't seem to give a shit?
Ignoring the past bad behavior of an
employee is not a crime, so the ongoing
criminal conspiracy angle will not work.
However, if the employer knows that his
employee is a potential danger to the
community, but does not fire him, and
the employee violates the rights of another
child in his workplace, the employer could be
held criminally culpable or civilly liable.
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Fuck the dumbshit and pay attention please! We had us a pretty significant victory back in the fall of 2004. From the heart of Sparkling Downtown St. Petersburg Florida, Mel Sembler and his goons attempted to launch a kid friendly community website for the DFAF (drug free america foundation) that was paid for lock, stock, and barrel with OUR blood, sweat, tears and fears. It was a cute enough little site, with all sorts of interactive bullshit. Once we were all alerted to it's existance, several of us veterans commenced to bombarding the shit out of it with STRAIGHT INC testimonies and derogatory statements.
After just 4 short days, they were forced to shut the fuck down and at least 3 separate agencies had to launch investigations into the allegations posted on the site by us. Sembler and his bunch were forced to face the truth that they are a bunch of money grubbing assholes that have no business in the area of community service.
Since then, Sembler and the DFAF have been pretty damn careful about touting thier so called "sucesses" regarding the Straight Programs, and pretty much avoid mentioning it anymore. Instead they are concentrating on lame-ass statistics connected to their dumbass and ineffective anti-drug propaganda.
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To recover from Straight I have to be able to come to terms with it.
So far I haven't and still have no clue on how to go about it.
Give yourself some time, dont know if anyone fully "comes to terms" with it. but whatever the outcome, it will take time. Many people block it out for 10-20 years so it's not going to work itself out over night.
Just give it some time, talk about it, vent, bitch, help, whatever you need to do. You're human, you've been through a trauma, allow yourself time to heal. I don't know if time heals "all" wounds as they say but it definitely does get a bit easier to deal with as time goes by. Course I would never want it to get too easy, for myself, it motivates me to try to cause a change in this world and has made me, at times, much more compassionate.
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Fuck the dumbshit and pay attention please! We had us a pretty significant victory back in the fall of 2004. From the heart of Sparkling Downtown St. Petersburg Florida, Mel Sembler and his goons attempted to launch a kid friendly community website for the DFAF (drug free america foundation) that was paid for lock, stock, and barrel with OUR blood, sweat, tears and fears. It was a cute enough little site, with all sorts of interactive bullshit. Once we were all alerted to it's existance, several of us veterans commenced to bombarding the shit out of it with STRAIGHT INC testimonies and derogatory statements.
After just 4 short days, they were forced to shut the fuck down and at least 3 separate agencies had to launch investigations into the allegations posted on the site by us. Sembler and his bunch were forced to face the truth that they are a bunch of money grubbing assholes that have no business in the area of community service.
Since then, Sembler and the DFAF have been pretty damn careful about touting thier so called "sucesses" regarding the Straight Programs, and pretty much avoid mentioning it anymore. Instead they are concentrating on lame-ass statistics connected to their dumbass and ineffective anti-drug propaganda.
Nice one!
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Will you help me as well ?
I LUV U WEDBDIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To recover from Straight I have to be able to come to terms with it.
So far I haven't and still have no clue on how to go about it.
Give yourself some time, dont know if anyone fully "comes to terms" with it. but whatever the outcome, it will take time. Many people block it out for 10-20 years so it's not going to work itself out over night.
Just give it some time, talk about it, vent, bitch, help, whatever you need to do. You're human, you've been through a trauma, allow yourself time to heal. I don't know if time heals "all" wounds as they say but it definitely does get a bit easier to deal with as time goes by. Course I would never want it to get too easy, for myself, it motivates me to try to cause a change in this world and has made me, at times, much more compassionate.[/quote]
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Will you help me as well ?
I LUV U WEDBDIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give yourself some time, dont know if anyone fully "comes to terms" with it. but whatever the outcome, it will take time. Many people block it out for 10-20 years so it's not going to work itself out over night.
Just give it some time, talk about it, vent, bitch, help, whatever you need to do. You're human, you've been through a trauma, allow yourself time to heal. I don't know if time heals "all" wounds as they say but it definitely does get a bit easier to deal with as time goes by. Course I would never want it to get too easy, for myself, it motivates me to try to cause a change in this world and has made me, at times, much more compassionate.
hmmm very very interesting.
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OFCOURSE 8-)
Will you help me as well ?
I LUV U WEDBDIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give yourself some time, dont know if anyone fully "comes to terms" with it. but whatever the outcome, it will take time. Many people block it out for 10-20 years so it's not going to work itself out over night.
Just give it some time, talk about it, vent, bitch, help, whatever you need to do. You're human, you've been through a trauma, allow yourself time to heal. I don't know if time heals "all" wounds as they say but it definitely does get a bit easier to deal with as time goes by. Course I would never want it to get too easy, for myself, it motivates me to try to cause a change in this world and has made me, at times, much more compassionate.
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hmmm very very interesting.[/quote]
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OFCOURSE 8-)
Will you help me as well ?
I LUV U WEDBDIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give yourself some time, dont know if anyone fully "comes to terms" with it. but whatever the outcome, it will take time. Many people block it out for 10-20 years so it's not going to work itself out over night.
Just give it some time, talk about it, vent, bitch, help, whatever you need to do. You're human, you've been through a trauma, allow yourself time to heal. I don't know if time heals "all" wounds as they say but it definitely does get a bit easier to deal with as time goes by. Course I would never want it to get too easy, for myself, it motivates me to try to cause a change in this world and has made me, at times, much more compassionate.
and you need help with what? having a gender identity crisis?
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GINGER WHO ?
OHHHHH GENDER. NO MY POLE IS STURDY.
I LUV U WEDBDIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give yourself some time, dont know if anyone fully "comes to terms" with it. but whatever the outcome, it will take time. Many people block it out for 10-20 years so it's not going to work itself out over night.
Just give it some time, talk about it, vent, bitch, help, whatever you need to do. You're human, you've been through a trauma, allow yourself time to heal. I don't know if time heals "all" wounds as they say but it definitely does get a bit easier to deal with as time goes by. Course I would never want it to get too easy, for myself, it motivates me to try to cause a change in this world and has made me, at times, much more compassionate.
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and you need help with what? having a gender identity crisis?[/quote]
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are u playing the mirror game ?
OR HOPEFULLY "FLIRTING ?
Will you help me as well ?
I LUV U WEDBDIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give yourself some time, dont know if anyone fully "comes to terms" with it. but whatever the outcome, it will take time. Many people block it out for 10-20 years so it's not going to work itself out over night.
Just give it some time, talk about it, vent, bitch, help, whatever you need to do. You're human, you've been through a trauma, allow yourself time to heal. I don't know if time heals "all" wounds as they say but it definitely does get a bit easier to deal with as time goes by. Course I would never want it to get too easy, for myself, it motivates me to try to cause a change in this world and has made me, at times, much more compassionate.
and you need help with what? having a gender identity crisis?
The mirror game? And flirting? Nikki is a girls name right?
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The mirror game? And flirting?
Excuse me, can I be of some assistance?
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It's cool. I'm not enggaged yet.
"Nikki"]are u playing the mirror game ?
OR HOPEFULLY "FLIRTING ?
Will you help me as well ?
I LUV U WEDBDIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give yourself some time, dont know if anyone fully "comes to terms" with it. but whatever the outcome, it will take time. Many people block it out for 10-20 years so it's not going to work itself out over night.
Just give it some time, talk about it, vent, bitch, help, whatever you need to do. You're human, you've been through a trauma, allow yourself time to heal. I don't know if time heals "all" wounds as they say but it definitely does get a bit easier to deal with as time goes by. Course I would never want it to get too easy, for myself, it motivates me to try to cause a change in this world and has made me, at times, much more compassionate.
and you need help with what? having a gender identity crisis?
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The mirror game? And flirting? Nikki is a girls name right?[/quote]
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NIKKI SIXX IS SO MOTLEY.
OR HOPEFULLY "FLIRTING ?
Will you help me as well ?
I LUV U WEDBDIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give yourself some time, dont know if anyone fully "comes to terms" with it. but whatever the outcome, it will take time. Many people block it out for 10-20 years so it's not going to work itself out over night.
Just give it some time, talk about it, vent, bitch, help, whatever you need to do. You're human, you've been through a trauma, allow yourself time to heal. I don't know if time heals "all" wounds as they say but it definitely does get a bit easier to deal with as time goes by. Course I would never want it to get too easy, for myself, it motivates me to try to cause a change in this world and has made me, at times, much more compassionate.
and you need help with what? having a gender identity crisis?
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The mirror game? And flirting? Nikki is a girls name right?[/quote]
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Nikki, take a few minutes to review the quote feature. It'll make your posts a lot easier to understand.
btw....great name. My daughter's name is Nicole. I always thought I'd call her Nikki, but I don't. Everyone else does, I call her Nic or Nicole. Go figure.
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NIKKI SIXX IS SO MOTLEY.
OR HOPEFULLY "FLIRTING ?
Will you help me as well ?
I LUV U WEDBDIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ah and here i thought u were pretending to be a girl. my bad. lol i feel better now. ha :rofl: :rofl:
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Nikki, take a few minutes to review the quote feature. It'll make your posts a lot easier to understand.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :cry2: :cry2: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Anne,
I'm sorry 4 being a ass.
Excuse me, can I be of some assistance?
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Anne,
I'm sorry 4 being a ass.
Pun intended? lol ;) :rofl:
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::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
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LOL is that good or bad ?
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