Post by: a_concerned parent on May 29, 2003, 12:55:00 PM
Verbal - yelling, cussing, insulting, threats, name calling...
Emotional - solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, food deprivation, sexual insulting, antagonizing, insulting...
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2003, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2003, 01:55:00 PM
that they have restaints? And there is no fire hazard at the building and you can go to the fire station and ask about that. I sure hope none of these things people are saying hear is true.But so far none of this is happening at this time.
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Post by: METALGOD8 on May 31, 2003, 09:13:00 PM
AAAAAAAAAAH, much better. Whew, I have a allergic reaction when people talk total nonsense. Sorry. Got a mop?
MG8 :smokin:
Post by: Antigen on May 31, 2003, 11:03:00 PM
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On 2003-05-31 15:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Being "Armed" held onto is a restraint. Clients have been tackled when trying to leave the facility. Confrontational therapy is abuse. Being made to feel ashamed, guilty, humiliated in front of others. The clients do abuse each other with insults. Prohibiting communication between client and family is abusive. No privacy when going to the bathroom is abusive. denying them a phone is abusive. The place is a fire trap with only one exit."
Look, friend, no need to even go into it on this level. Just take a breath and then take a look at some of the vicious attacks on Ryan that some of the proud graduates have made.
For those of you readers who were never in this cult, let me explain to you a little bit about what's going on behind the scenes here. Just months ago, these very same people who are tossing around these harsh insults toward Ryan were his best and only friends in the whole world.
Not that the kid ever had a hard time making friends. I've never even met him so I have no way of even guessing one way or the other aside from how he conducts himself here. And, frankly, if I were the medeling type, I might be looking to introduce him to my daughter based on that.
The reason why Ryan had not a friend in the world outside the Program is because it's against the rules to even smile at anyone other than other cult members. Getting busted having a meaningful conversation or corespondence with anyone, even family, who the staff has not given a member permission to talk to could land the kid back on first phase.
If Ryan had never said a word and not withdrawn from the cult (never dissented, in other words), right now these same people would very likely be gushing with teary eyes about how much they love him and respect him and look up to him for being SUCH a GOOD example to them. But expressing any kind of dissent is an unforgivable crime in this cult, as in any other.
The kinds of insults and cruel shots at what these people know to be this kid's most tender spots are nothing compared to what they'd be saying and doing to him if they could get their hands on him in Group. Here, there's a limit to what people will put up with. Inside, there's no escape and just about no limit to how kids will take out their agression on other kids, especially when the allegedly responsible adults are gleefully egging them on.
Think Lord of the Flies. Then think again about whether this is the right program for your son.
A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an asshole.
--Frank Zappa
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2003, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on June 02, 2003, 06:43:00 PM
Not only are Smell and Betty still carrying on that 12k 'successfully graduated' lie, but they seem to be very proud of their scam as they have STRAIGHT in all caps, just like TOUGHLOVE! or JEB! (what is it with fundie zealots, caps and extranious exclamation points, anyway?)
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.
-- Margaret Mead
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2003, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on June 02, 2003, 10:52:00 PM
No chance, buddy. If you want to pick on vulnerable kids, you're going to have to do it right out in the open from now on :eek: Have you seen the headlines lately? People are starting to speculate about how and why you can get away with shit that piss ant little Socialist Republics like the Czech Republic and Costa Rica won't tolerate. Your whole scam is falling apart. All of the drug warrior camoflage is blowing away like chaff in the wind and, soon, it'll just be you standing there torturing children for no aparent reason. Hmm... I guess I'd cut that out if I were you, and sooner rather than later.
BTW, in all liklihood, Ryan's atty has probably advised him not to make any more public statements. That's usually good advice, too. But, guess what? I'm neither party to any suit nor privy to the details. I can say pretty much whatever I think :lol:
Is uniformity [of opinion] attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2003, 07:38:00 AM
Post by: butternationalist on June 03, 2003, 04:39:00 PM
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On 2003-05-31 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Since I have been in pathway I have not seen any cussing at us or a time out room And who told you
that they have restaints? And there is no fire hazard at the building and you can go to the fire station and ask about that. I sure hope none of these things people are saying hear is true.But so far none of this is happening at this time.
"
since you have been in pathway alot has changed i was a prisoner for 16 months the reason some of tis no longer happens is because people like myself and SOME of the others on this site are trying to put a stop to unhealthy practices on teenagers. but they must have changed the rules since ive been in there cause on no lovel could you be on the internet. whatever. peace.. :smokin: ---smith
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2003, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2003, 07:16:00 PM
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Could also be that same person who was posing as the desperate mother of a 17yo heroin junkie, too.
I fell for that too.
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2003, 07:47:00 PM
Post by: nakid2003 on June 05, 2003, 12:59:00 AM
I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole
--Malcolm X
Post by: Antigen on June 05, 2003, 09:25:00 AM
You didn't do the 'necessary things' to get put in Pathway and treated to their bizarre version of therapy. The program people did the recruiting and your parents bought it.
But now I'm curious about something. Some of these branches develop into personality cults. KIDS and AARC, for example, seem to have done that. For awhile, SAFE seemed to be one. Others didn't. Would you say that in PFC there is or is not a central person who really drives the thing?
When a well-packaged web of lies
has been sold gradually to the masses
over generations, the truth will seem
utterly preposterous and its speaker
a raving lunatic.
--Dresden James
Post by: Anonymous on June 05, 2003, 10:10:00 AM
Chris, my heart goes out to you. I was in Straight getting my mind raped in Straight 20 years ago at this time. It tears me apart to see this still happening all over again, what these abusive clowns do to people like you. Don't worry though, you will come out of this and heal a lot faster that those still in the Pathway cult. The key is to expose these bastards and sue the hell out of them so they (and others who are thinking of getting into the mind raping business) will get the message that this kind of garbage will no longer be tolerated in our society. We will no longer tolerate kids being placed in buildings where Neanderthal/experimental brainwashing methods are used on them attempting for them to 'conform' because someone else is unhappy with them. I think young people do a better job growing up naturally, it's been happening that way for millions of years now.
I'm glad Chris that you had the courage to address your abusers, it's ok to do that. It's OK to 'talk behind backs'. They have it coming, they brought all that on themselves the minute any of them started their mind-rapist processes on you. They are now reaping what they have sown.
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Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2003, 03:13:00 AM
I have no doubt that verbal abuse goes on between clients. As I know my child and his friends would verbally abuse each other. It is not allowed. Though my experience has been that the clients can be very "careful" about who is listening.
Also its been said in the ISAC report that Pathway deams homosexuality a mental disorder.
Thats news to me since my client says they are gay, and not only does family accept this fact. Staff has been very supportive of personal sexual choice. And client group is expected to accept others.
Just one families current experience.
Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2003, 03:34:00 AM
1)Ask permission to go to the bathroom, at"unscheduled times" We all have stories of the kid denied bathroom access in school.
2)Have heard and or experienced "verbal abuse from our so called peers" And from school staff.
3)Have been subjected to the "liberal political agenda" without the other views taught.
4)Have watched and or experienced being ostracized, bullied, put down, etc. because we were not part of "the group". ex: football team, pom-pom team, "popular" crowd.
WOW lets start a group to close down public education. There is serious abuse going on there.
Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2003, 08:02:00 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2003, 01:15:00 PM
Changes in medicine, behavioral psychiatry, the world, etc. are constant. Not always at the speed at which some of us would like. But try not to "throw the baby out with the bath water". And I also have talked to many professionals; psychiatrists, Medica doctors, social workers, parents in other programs, etc. Have given them the info and the all the pros who specialize in adolescent drug abuse said "unfortunately not much else works". Yeah I have to admit part of my theory was that my child, after having everything taken away, and contact removed. They would realize just how good they had it. suddenly compared to others my kids perspective is more realistic. Gee its so hard growing up in a home in the country with horses, and pets to care for. You know hottub, pool, personal car, not expected to get a job if grades are kept above a C (this for a kid so bright they took there SATs in 8th grade) so maybe we just spoiled the hell out of them. And yes both parents there at all special events. Reading at night, hugs goodnite. Loving are child for who they are. Flaws and all. Just wasn't enough, youngest of five and all went through their teen crap and drug experimentation. We all lived through it and love each other. No programs before this, maybe some kids do not belong in Pathway, does. Would have been dead or arrested for sure. Yeah I know youre going to say "same old script", but that was what we told Pathway when we first checked it out, not what they told us afterward. Did not want to send "the problem" away. Know better than that. Everyone in the family has to deal with this. Luckily even all 4 older siblings are willing.
I told my child once that "you know, you think the worst thing you could do to me is hate me. But the worst thing you could do to me is hate yourself and harm yourself." That is beyond horrifying for me as a parent. Thought about psychiatric hospital, checked it out. Talked to our family counselor and Psychiatrist specializing in adolescents. Unfortunately that was not going to be the answer for us.
Post by: Antigen on June 07, 2003, 05:55:00 PM
Exactly how does the Program work? By what mechanism does this regimen bring about change in the client?
For example, if you have a cold and you take vitamin C, it helps cure the cold by stimulating your bodie's natural hystamine response. If you have a bacterial infection and you take an antibiotic, it helps heal your infection by directly killing off the bacteria. If you have debt problems, you can solve them by making more money, consolodating at a lower interest rate or extending debt over a longer period of time to reduce periodic payments.
So, after the same form, please explain exactly what it is about the Program that effects change in the client.
If you're able to wrap your mind around what is going on there, it comes down to changing your kid's behavior against their will. The only way to do that is to break their will. And, no matter how nice you try to be about it, there simply isn't any way to do that except by emotional, physical and psychological abuse.
If you manage to make PFC non-abusive, the cult will fall apart and it won't 'work' anymore. But, fear not, lots of high-strung and wreckless kids survive and grow up to be perfectly wonderful, even exceptional adults. The same can be said for very few Program veterans. I seriously doubt the world will miss it.
For three days after death, hair and fingernails continue to grow but phone calls taper off.
-- Johnny Carson
Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2003, 02:50:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2003, 11:52:00 PM
"As for being "clapped" at to hurry up. As if that is sooo disrepsectful and abussive? Thats funny, have you ever been in a public or private High School and see how kids have to:
1)Ask permission to go to the bathroom, at"unscheduled times" We all have stories of the kid denied bathroom access in school.
2)Have heard and or experienced "verbal abuse from our so called peers" And from school staff.
3)Have been subjected to the "liberal political agenda" without the other views taught.
4)Have watched and or experienced being ostracized, bullied, put down, etc. because we were not part of "the group". ex: football team, pom-pom team, "popular" crowd.
WOW lets start a group to close down public education. There is serious abuse going on there."
Well, you aren't 'locked in' at public school, nor restrained, expected to sit up straight, feet flat, eyes forward, strip searched, asked to "motivate" to speak, or belittled to the point of wanting to kill yourself or others. Public school doesn't cost $30,000 a year and ask you to give up your identity and life as you know it either.
::stab:: What a stupid point you didn't make.
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2003, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2003, 01:48:00 PM
It will never happen again.
How foolish of me to try to argue. Its like trying
to convince someone, the earth is not flat ,
the sky is not green, and the moon is not made of cheese.
It truly is just a government conspiracy and part of the conservative agenda.
Good bye and good luck
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2003, 04:08:00 PM
See now? Why can't you people just adopt that attitude when dealing with kids who don't want to believe your bullshit or abide your company? 86 the violence and other bullshit and just part company with them if you don't like their attitude. That is, after all, the civilized thing to do.
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Post by: SurvivorEMSR on July 03, 2003, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: butternationalist on July 03, 2003, 02:47:00 PM
1)mark sembler, Mels grandson, dd indeed graduate. nobody can deny that the kid lived with me for christs sake.
2)scott, you know you shouldn't have posted in the first place everybody who was in there would love to put you in your place. i could go on for days about you sleepy!!! your nickname will forever resound in my head...Hi my name is......
Slim Schadel!!!!!
3) about a month ago some of my best friends(graduates) were talked about behind their backs and wer forced to take drug tests. s refused and never returned to pfc. but the poit im going to make is that there is a rule NO TBB i dont think this is a bad thing to live by i do most of the time. follow your own rules assholes!! you need a new aftercare cooordinator. vicky quit trying to give your unhealthy unemployed family jobs.
4) fcuk for england!!! peace :skull:--smith
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2003, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: butternationalist on November 20, 2003, 02:54:00 PM
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On 2003-11-17 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"nobody is locked in at pathway. when i was on 5th a newcomer got up and walked out of the group room and out of the building. I was going to follow him and try to stop him but staff told me to stop. i dont nkow what the program was like when you were there but what you are talking abuot is defenitly not going on anymore. for those who think getting armed is "abuse"...get out of your self pity and quit your bitching."
I wonder when these pfc ass-kissers are going to learn that I WILL WIN any discussion about this program I was there I lived it. I AM THAT DAMN GOOD! Were you alarmed into an empty bedroom at night with the window sills having 4" coarse wood screws going through the window latches so you couldnt open the window? That's a fire hazard and death trap at once. Do you remember why there were two trusted oldcomers at the doors? So nobody could run wise-ass. They most of the time didn't even have to grab you they just blocked the god damn door with all their might. I saw staff lay people out before Scott, BJ, Hugh. Vicki W. laid one of my good friends out on the floor in the rec room. I saw restraining by even peerstaff, dont give me that shit, " oh, only trained restraint counselors." kiss my ass, I was restrained every day for 6 1/2months. It cracks me up when I hear graduate parents talking about what happens in the building.....as if you were there!!!!lol lol lol..nope, sorry. I still have problems dealing with what pfc did to me mentally.I'm not making this stuff up to sue for money I simply want the place to be shut down not just in detroit but in indy as well.Kids are STILL SUFFERING!! See, the problem is that the people who support pathway can't barely understand the words I type on this site. I am grammaticaly,and mentally on a whole other level. Most of you dribble-brained pfc supporters don't understand. I just hope that someday youll snap out of it. :smokin:
FCUK FOR GERMANY---smith
Post by: Antigen on November 20, 2003, 03:22:00 PM
What you're telling me about the windows nailed shut, about the guards at the doors, about staff, group and parents lying through their teeth about what really goes on is all perfectly consistent with what I saw firsthand from 1970 when my family became involved with The Seed all the way through late 1982 when I finally was able to break free from Straight, Inc.
It's a whole lot more plausible than to believe that the Program looks the same, sounds the same and seems to be just the same as it ever was but is somehow fundamentally different in only those aspects that I can't see as an outsider.
You can lead a camel to water but you can't make it stink (any more than it already does)
-- Job
_________________
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American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
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Anonymity Anonymous
Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2003, 01:52:00 PM
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Post by: Antigen on November 26, 2003, 09:27:00 AM
Sometimes motivating is banned. Adequate sleep and nutrition are sometimes provided. Often client on client restraints are temporarily banned. This causes little chinks in the invisible walls so that Group and Parents' Group wind up somewhat less under control. Recruiting drops off, it becomes harder and harder to get Group all whipped into a frenzey over some imagined transgression or betrayal. Eventually, either the whole thing collapses or they hang on long enough for the scrutiny to pass and go back to old ways.
The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918)
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2003, 02:15:00 PM
IF it is, Brent, your a fucking idiot. I know what and how you behaved after graduating the Seed, and if you put your kid in there, you are a hypocrite of the highest magnitude.
Post by: Antigen on December 07, 2003, 02:52:00 PM
All I ask is equal freedom. When it is denied, as it always is, I take it anyhow.
--H.L. Mencken
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Post by: butternationalist on December 08, 2003, 03:15:00 PM
FCUK FOR GERMANY-peace :smokin: ---smith
Post by: Antigen on December 08, 2003, 03:34:00 PM
But I don't think they engage in perennial campaign finance fraud like the Sembler clan does.
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/searc ... =Y&Order=D (http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=sembler&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&txt2000=Y&Order=D)
The family were always way more invested in their local clamp and scaffold company and maintaining good relations with long-term local customers than with any of Huizenga's maniacal plans to rule the world through piss testing.
Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of the tyrant and the creed of the slave.
-- William Pitt, 1763
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2004, 12:09:00 AM
:wstupid: :wave:
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Post by: butternationalist on January 12, 2004, 06:54:00 PM
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On 2004-01-10 08:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Smith, you're not close to his grandson. Stop your fibbing!!!"
If you read a little more carefully my statement said that i was close to him. he was permanently hosted at my house for four months. So Before you go running your mouth take some time to pay attention to what youre arguing . I'll just assume youre not only an ignorant asshole but a no-named pussy as well--smith
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2004, 12:23:00 AM
Sincreley,
Tony.
:wave:
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Post by: Antigen on March 07, 2004, 12:38:00 AM
Hey Einstein! Here's a nice sample of the type of abuse that goes on at PFC.
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butternationalist you sure are a cock sucker. i cant believe how fucking gay you are. even the name is gay, "butternationalist". i have a question for you... how does it feel to not have anyone like you. it must suck to have no friends at all. now your thinking, " shut up you bitch played punk pussy, i have a lot of friends". lets get honest here buddy. do you actually think those people who pretend to act like your friends actually like you? well i am here to tell you the truth... they do not. nobody likes you because you are worthless. how many friends do you actually have? and you cant list the people from this website because they are fucking cunts too. you suck.
I recognized the smell right away because it's made from my mom's old recipe that she learned at The Seed. I think maybe you've just become so accustomed to the stench of it that you don't even notice when you fall face first into a fresh, steaming pile of it.
::noway::
Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
Mark Twain
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2004, 01:18:00 AM
Post by: Antigen on March 10, 2004, 10:12:00 AM
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On 2004-03-09 22:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
so maybe there is abuse. I dont know. its not the abuse that people normally think of or consider abuse though.
I had a phone conversation a couple of years ago w/ a 40 year old man in Maryland who's son was a client in SAFE, Orlando (formerly known as Straight, Orlando). This was just prior to the 2nd conference on abusive juvenile treatment. This guy had been thinking about calling for a week or more, but he was afraid. He told me about the phone tree; whenever a parent pulled their kid, a phone tree would be activated to inform the rest of the pod and, from that moment forward, other members were forbidden to have any contact whatsoever w/ the defector. He told me he was shaking as we spoke for fear another member of the Parent group would find out he'd spoken with "the enemy" and report him.
This is evidence of abuse. Not the kind that leaves physical marks or a paper trail. But spiritual, psychological and emotional abuse.
Poster to these forums often note similarities between the kind of mind-fuck that goes on in these "treatment" facilities and the way a wife beater keeps his victim on lock down. In the movie, Sleeping With The Enemy, Julia Roberts goes about her day straightening cans in the cupboards, arranging towels in the bathrooms, terrified of leaving some minor detail out of order, lest Mr. Wonderful come along and beat her down again for it. Even when he's not there, he's able to torture her because she has internalized the torment and become her own jailor.
That's what I'm talking about. In 2 years at Straight, I was only sat on once. But I and every other member of Group was tormented 24/7. I feel the worst for those who haven't figured it out yet, too. That's one of the reasons for hosting these forums; so that they can see that we can, indeed, talk out in group and not get struck by lightening.
Sounds like PFC is losing necessary cohesion. That's good to hear. No need to punish or prosecute anybody. In my view, there's been enough punishment and coercion to last us all a lifetime already. Just simply let everyone communicate freely and the mindfuck can't work. Simple as that.
It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
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Post by: Cayo Hueso on March 10, 2004, 10:42:00 AM
I still shake on the phone sometimes when I talk to my ex-husband. The abuse I suffered at HIS hands had been over for a very long time, but the psych. effects linger on.
Good to see you posting Ginger, we've DEFINITELY missed you!!!! :wave:
Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
-- Emo Phillips
Post by: Antigen on March 10, 2004, 11:42:00 AM
:em:
If I am of the opinion that it is inexpedient to assign to the government the task of operating railroads, hotels, or mines, I am not an "enemy of the state" any more than I can be called an enemy of sulfuric acid because I am of the opinion that, useful though it may be for many purposes, it is not suitable either for drinking, or for washing one's hands.
Ludwig Von Mises
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On 2004-04-13 05:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I still have bad feelongs about that place and I can't even begin to wonder how my daughter feels. ::noway:: "
uh, why don't you just ask her.
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Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2005, 12:07:00 PM
It's a good thing that Straight does not exist anymore and that Pathway has nothing to do with Straight's way of "helping". And your right, you don't have proof that Smell was seen at Pathway a couple of years ago. A lot of shit can change in time. Quit being so damn ignorant.
Post by: webcrawler on July 25, 2005, 12:24:00 PM
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On 2005-07-25 09:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To: Ginger
It's a good thing that Straight does not exist anymore and that Pathway has nothing to do with Straight's way of "helping". And your right, you don't have proof that Smell was seen at Pathway a couple of years ago. A lot of shit can change in time. Quit being so damn ignorant."
Don Robinson was the director of Straight before Pathways. Perhaps you should do more research.
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
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On 2005-07-25 09:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To: Ginger
It's a good thing that Straight does not exist anymore and that Pathway has nothing to do with Straight's way of "helping". And your right, you don't have proof that Smell was seen at Pathway a couple of years ago. A lot of shit can change in time. Quit being so damn ignorant."
Yeah, but what about the fuel reciept for the private plane that carried that Sembler grandkid and his phaser buddy down to FL on 4th phase? HUH? There's more proof in places you would never look
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Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 12:27:00 AM
M_G_8,
Love the
::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke::
was thinking the same thing -- lol
Kelly (yes me)
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 12:37:00 AM
Ughhhh
, ok then...
So, I think what was meant was that (notice no names used) there are other forms of restraint. like when people JUMP ON YOU --- or in any other way 'restrain' you.
You must know we weren't referring to 'restraints' in the leather sense, as in funny :flame: )
Kelly
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 12:45:00 AM
anyhow
whatever
looks like it's not the subject now...
(crawling back to my cave now...... bye)
Kelly
:wave: