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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 03:42:36 PM
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http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.info/ (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.info/)
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That is one of the funniest things I've seen in the longest time. Parody is so close to the truth....
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LOVE IT!!! it really is so close.
but i have an idea:
clean up all the porn, so it wont make prospective parents think "oh this kids just crazy, i'm not looking at this". fix it up a bit and finish typing in every category (i can help with that, i did the wiki thing you CnP'd), then we can link it link crazy to try to get it to show up on google. right now it doesnt show up at all.
for the testimonials maybe you could CnP some stories off of here.
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If you want an image changed or added, find something suitably hideous, disturbing, or horrifying. It's a shock site, after all.
If you want text added to a place where there is none, go ahead and type what you want and I'll put it in. It should probably be on the Fornits wiki too.
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I never truly believed any one on this site could be as ignorant as this. You have singlehandedly provided HLA and its entire staff the material for a defamation of character lawsuit that will make the Scheff settlement look like a teens allowance. Thanks for you being you.
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I never truly believed any one on this site could be as ignorant as this. You have singlehandedly provided HLA and its entire staff the material for a defamation of character lawsuit that will make the Scheff settlement look like a teens allowance. Thanks for you being you.
Fuck you Greg Brady.
Note: This site is protected by the First Amendment rulings regarding parody. Not everything on this site is literally true, although some is. What is truth and what is fiction is left as an exercise for the reader.
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How? You have no character to defame.
Besides, what's Len going to pay Q&Q in, wooden nickels? :lol:
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that will make the Scheff settlement look like a teens allowance. Thanks for you being you.
You do realize that Sue tried to sue Ginger in that same suit. She failed.
Dumbass.
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Becareful that you don't forget that although Fornits states it doesn't condone such comments, its basic premise from posts by Ginger is hate. You don't have to look to far in the media to find cases of defamation based on things far less offensive. Good luck to you . Can you say class action.
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Becareful that you don't forget that although Fornits states it doesn't condone such comments, its basic premise from posts by Ginger is hate. You don't have to look to far in the media to find cases of defamation based on things far less offensive. Good luck to you . Can you say class action.
Can you say Fuck Off?? Better men than you have tried. A few times. All failed.
You lose. Thanks for playing. Buh bye.
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Suck on your pacifier a little harder, Jeff. It'll help.
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What exactly do you expect to get out of Ginger $$$wise? You don't know her very well, do you?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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So you believe that someone like Don Imus can face what he has based on a comment like nappy headed ho's but you can refer to african american staff as niggers and female staff as whores and not be held accountable. The arrogant are always the most entertaining.
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good luck with the lawsuit. no lawyer in his right mind would take it. plus, it will look even worse for you, considering you are the one getting sued at the moment, for doing exactly what the site parodies. as far as any statements e.g the wiki cnp'd one, i can testify to that [along with anyone else who attended/attends hla] in court.
you cant use the hate defense. we are not "hating" you because of your ethnic backround, color, etc. (which is what the law applies to) we hate you because of your actions. we hate you just as much as any victim would hate a perpetrator. so we do not engage in hate speech, we do not condone any acts of violence, we are not radicals. we have adequate firsthand knowledge about the subject to be regarded as an accurate source. and we have adequate reasons to not like you and state it publicly, and probable cause to counter-sue if you so happen to decide to take this all the way to court.
did mel brooks get sued for doing spaceballs? nah ah. and we wont either.
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The best you can do is sue the author of the post. Imus wasn't sued, he was fired because CBS didn't want to deal with the bad publicity. WE don't give a shit about "bad publicity".
Imus is also coming back on the air, just like Fornits has been these last few days/weeks.
:D :wave:
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Hey, Johnny Bravo. As long as you're here, where'd the horses go? Inquiring minds want to know.
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oh and your ignorance never fails to surprise me. read into the whole brock/scheff thing. scheff never got the money, nor will she ever. the only reason she won is because brock was not physically able to make it to court. the ruling was really just a formality of beurocracy, it will be overturned very quickly. that, and the ruling makes scheff look even worse. it makes her seem like an evil witch. the ruling is that she gets 11m because her VICTIM, who she is sueing for exposing her, was unable to make it to court due to unforseen cercumstances.
if every criminal sued their victims, and thier victims were never able to make it to court so lost the case, what world would we live in? what kind of would would it be if a man raped a woman, and then sued her for telling everyone that he's a rapist, and won? thats the world sue scheff wants.
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Understand that in a parady, the names are changed. This is slander.
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Understand that in a parady, the names are changed. This is slander.
It's parOdy. I hope you're not teaching at HLA. :roll:
Hey genius. Ever hear of Larry Flynt and Jerry Falwell?
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/fac ... px?id=1267 (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/faclibrary/case.aspx?id=1267)
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i dont think any of the comments about staff could be considered slander. if you consider it slander maybe you should take a time machine so stalin-era ussr.
as far as the name "Hidden lake academy", i'd be surprised if it's copyrighted or trademarked or restriced. i know "hidden lake" isnt, and adding academy wouldnt change anything. regardless we could just mispell it and make it "hidenlakeacademy" instead of "hiddenlakeacademy", and it would doge any copyright you might have for it.
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I am glad you are so confident. However, if you don't think that what is on that site can be shown to effect the individuals protrayed you are an idiot. I personally don't care at this point if the site remains up or not. I have printed the entire site and look forward to what progresses.
In addition, if you don't believe that fornits and or Ginger and or anyone associated with this site cannot be held responsible for calling staff niggers, whores and porn stars, you really haven't kept up on recent hate legislation which holds that sites such as this are perpetuating hate.
I just hope the individual is young, then their parents can pay and/or they can pay for a lifetime. Just keep sending the check.
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You don't think Falwell was "effected" by Flynt saying that Jerry's "first time" was with his mother in an outhouse? He sure was. He was pissed enough to take it all the way to SCOTUS, where he LOST. Flynt used Falwell's real name 'n ev'ryt'in.
Who do you think Fornits is? It's not one person and it's not a corporation. Ginger is her own person and I dont' believe I've EVER seen her write anything that would be considered rascist (although that's protected too. the friggin KKK and Arian Nation talk shit all the time....under police guard).
As for Ginger, I think she can handle herself. She's done quite well so far fending off the several suits that people attempted to file, but she knows we're all here to help if she should ever really need it.
So, now how 'bout answering the question about the horses? Or this...
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22811 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22811)
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You still don't get it you moron. If any staff member can prove that their livelihood would be effected (i.e. lose a job, not be considered for a job, etc.) due to false statements placed on your site using their real names you are liable. Second, the use of the word nigger is considered the perpetuation of hate. This is enough to prove slander and get paid well.
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I actually don't know why I'm helping you in this matter. I'm done.
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It's all right, Jeff- a long cry, good diaper change, and a new bottle and you'll be back on this forum in no time.
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You still don't get it you moron. If any staff member can prove that their livelihood would be effected (i.e. lose a job, not be considered for a job, etc.) due to false statements placed on your site using their real names you are liable.
Yeah, Jerry tried that too. Didn't fly then, won't fly now.
Second, the use of the word nigger is considered the perpetuation of hate. This is enough to prove slander and get paid well.
How do you explain the Arian Nation holding rallies on courthouse steps?
Gonna answer those questions about the horses and this post yet?....
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22811 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22811)
It seems a bit convenient that you'd suddenly decide to stop "helping us" right when I call you out on those. Hmmmm.
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Second, the use of the word nigger is considered the perpetuation of hate.
technically it's not, unless it's used to instigate violence. and still, neo-nazis, aryans, even church leaders continue to use it to instigate violence without legal consequence. i'm surprised you dont know this, considering your freinds [republicans] are totally against hate laws. recently, republicans vetoed a law requiring church and other organizational leaders to be held responsible if one of the people in the audience commits a violent act due to the minsters/pastors/etc hate speech.
and how would you explain rappers...or even white country music stars [david allen coe] using "nigger" constantly? sure there black and "there allowed to use it", or there from the south and it's a "cultural thing" but it's still hate speech, acording to you. even according to al sharpton it's hate speech, but people keep doing it cuz it's fuckin legal.
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aryans,
Oops. Ya know, I knew that too.
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Is there any kind of hate speech on the Internet that is not protected by the First Amendment?
The U.S. Constitution protects Internet speech that is merely critical, annoying, offensive, or demeaning. However, the First Amendment does not provide a shield for libelous speech or copyright infringement, nor does it protect certain speech that threatens or harasses other people. For example, an e-mail or a posting on a Web site that expresses a clear intention or threat by its author to commit an unlawful act against another specific person is likely to be actionable under criminal law. Persistent or pernicious harassment aimed at a specific individual is not protected if it inflicts or intends to inflict emotional or physical harm. To rise to this level, harassment on the Internet would have to consist of a "course of conduct" rather than a single isolated instance.
There is legal precedent for such a prosecution. In 1998, a former student was sentenced to one year in prison for sending e-mail death threats to 60 Asian-American students at the University of California, Irvine. His e-mail was signed "Asian hater" and threatened that he would "make it my life career [sic] to find and kill everyone one [sic] of you personally." That same year, another California man pled guilty to Federal civil rights charges after he sent racist e-mail threats to dozens of Latinos throughout the country.
Yes. In 1999, a coalition of groups opposed to abortion was ordered to pay over $100 million in damages for providing information for a Web site called "Nuremberg Files," a site which posed a threat to the safety of a number of doctors and clinic workers who perform abortions. The site posted photos of abortion providers, their home addresses, license plate numbers, and the names of their spouses and children. In three instances, after a doctor listed on the site was murdered, a line was drawn through his name. Although the site fell short of explicitly calling for an assault on doctors, the jury found that the information it contained amounted to a real threat of bodily harm.
If a person's use of the Internet rises to the level of criminal conduct, it may subject the perpetrator to an enhanced sentence under a State's hate crime laws. Currently, 40 States and the District of Columbia have such laws in place. The criminal's sentence may be more severe if the prosecution can prove that he or she intentionally selected the victim based on his or her race, nationality, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. However, these laws do not apply to conduct or speech protected by the First Amendment.
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Uh oh! Looks like he hasn't cried it all out yet.
It's okay, Jeff. Horribly Post-Menopausal Mommy's here to wipe your tears and make it all better.
Maybe he's just got colic?
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oh and i forgot to mention.
before, we never had definite proof that johny ringo is an jeff holloway or an hla employee for that matter, even if the ip adress matched up to hla. but now, since you said you are personally going to sue, that you printed out the site, etc.... we have definitive proof of who you really are. all we have to do is bring up some of your past posts up in court and your case will be thrown out of court, even if you do happen to get that far.
by the way...
in your fantasy world we can just as easily sue you for calling all of us "dope smokers".
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First off, source please.
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Is there any kind of hate speech on the Internet that is not protected by the First Amendment?
The U.S. Constitution protects Internet speech that is merely critical, annoying, offensive, or demeaning. However, the First Amendment does not provide a shield for libelous speech or copyright infringement, nor does it protect certain speech that threatens or harasses other people. For example, an e-mail or a posting on a Web site that expresses a clear intention or threat by its author to commit an unlawful act against another specific person is likely to be actionable under criminal law. Persistent or pernicious harassment aimed at a specific individual is not protected if it inflicts or intends to inflict emotional or physical harm. To rise to this level, harassment on the Internet would have to consist of a "course of conduct" rather than a single isolated instance.
And where do you see Ginger fitting into any of this? She never threatened anyone. Please point to specific threats (not wishes, i.e. I wish she'd get hit by a car) to which you're referring. At BEST, the AUTHOR of the post MIGHT be held liable, but fat chance.
There is legal precedent for such a prosecution. In 1998, a former student was sentenced to one year in prison for sending e-mail death threats to 60 Asian-American students at the University of California, Irvine. His e-mail was signed "Asian hater" and threatened that he would "make it my life career [sic] to find and kill everyone one [sic] of you personally." That same year, another California man pled guilty to Federal civil rights charges after he sent racist e-mail threats to dozens of Latinos throughout the country.
Yes. In 1999, a coalition of groups opposed to abortion was ordered to pay over $100 million in damages for providing information for a Web site called "Nuremberg Files," a site which posed a threat to the safety of a number of doctors and clinic workers who perform abortions. The site posted photos of abortion providers, their home addresses, license plate numbers, and the names of their spouses and children. In three instances, after a doctor listed on the site was murdered, a line was drawn through his name. Although the site fell short of explicitly calling for an assault on doctors, the jury found that the information it contained amounted to a real threat of bodily harm.
If a person's use of the Internet rises to the level of criminal conduct, it may subject the perpetrator to an enhanced sentence under a State's hate crime laws. Currently, 40 States and the District of Columbia have such laws in place. The criminal's sentence may be more severe if the prosecution can prove that he or she intentionally selected the victim based on his or her race, nationality, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. However, these laws do not apply to conduct or speech protected by the First Amendment.
Again, how are you applying this here?
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22811[/url]
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Damn!! Those HLA people sure do cut and run whenever you try to pin them down to something. First SHH did it all the time, then HLA Truth then Who, now Johnny Bravo.
Christ, can't you people answer a damn question????
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libelous speech or copyright infringement, nor does it protect certain speech that threatens or harasses other people[/b]. For example, an e-mail or a posting on a Web site that expresses a clear intention or threat by its author to commit an unlawful act against another specific person is likely to be actionable under criminal law. Persistent or pernicious harassment aimed at a specific individual is not protected if it inflicts or intends to inflict emotional or physical harm. To rise to this level, harassment on the Internet would have to consist of a "course of conduct" rather than a single isolated instance.
there is no course of conduct. we do not and have not ever threated or harassed anyone. an email is different, it is directed at an individual. a website is not, you must search for it and then click on it out of your own free will. therefore, legaly, you brought the harrasment upon yourself. we do not intend to inflict any for of physical or emotional harm, although some of us may be somewhat happy that emotional harm may be a colatteral of our actions. we (fornits/fornitswiki) merely intend to EXPOSE what is going on at hidden lake, and allow parents to make more informed dicisions before sending their kids away. of course, the parody site is not necesarily intended to expose, it's a parody and it says so on the front page. it is easily distiguishable which pictures are of hidden lake and which arnt, what is true and what isnt.
also, keep in mind that there are legal loopholes when it comes to other .x's. e.g websites with .com are subject to slightly different rules than website with .org or .net or .info
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Private figures--people who have not carved out a public role for themselves in some context--have more protection as they can bring defamation actions when a defamatory lie is uttered even negligently. This seems only fair and does not threaten basic democratic values.
Gertz v Welch considers three important questions: (1) whether the full protection of the "actual malice" standard should extend to comments about private persons, (2) if not, whether the Constitution might at least limit the sorts of damages a private individual might collect for statements made without actual malice, and (3) if the actual malice standard is not extended to private individuals, how the line should be drawn between "public figures" and "private figures." The Supreme Court concluded that Elmer Gertz, the plaintiff in the defamation action and a leading Chicago civil rights attorney, was not a public figure for constitutional purposes. Moreover, the Court said, as a private person, Gertz need only show that a defamatory falsehood was made negligently, not that it was made with actual malice. Finally--in what turned out to be a major victory for the media--, the Court ruled that in the absence of a showing of actual malice, private plaintiffs are limited by the First Amendment--at least with respect to comments about a matter of public concern-- to recovery only for actual damages, and not for punitive or presumed damages.
Question: What is defamation?
Answer: An attack by speech on the good reputation of a person or business entity. Speech that involves a public figure--such as a corporation--is only defamatory if it is false and said with actual malice. It also must be factual rather than an expression of an opinion. In the United States, because of our strong free speech protections, it is almost impossible to prove defamation of a public figure.
Question: What is the legal definition of defamation?
Answer: The elements that must be proved to establish defamation are: (1) A publication to one other than the person defamed; (2) of a false statement of fact; (3) which is understood as being of and concerning the plaintiff; and (4) which is understood in such a way as to tend to harm the reputation of plaintiff.
Question: How does the First Amendment to the Constitution affect defamation?
Answer: The free speech guarantees under the Constitution protect certain speech and commentary. The degree of protection generally depends on whether the person commented about is a private or public figure and whether the statement is regarding a private or public matter. According to the New York Times rule (from the case New York Times v. Sullivan), when the plaintiff is a public figure and the matter is one of public concern, the plaintiff must prove "malice" or "reckless disregard" on the part of the defendant. If both parties are private individuals, there is less protection for the speech because the plaintiff only needs to prove negligence.
Question: What is the difference between libel and slander?
Answer: Libel is a defamatory statement expressed in a fixed medium such as a writing, picture, sign or electronic broadcast. Slander is a defamatory statement expressed in a transitory form such as speech.
Question: What is libel?
Answer: Libel is a defamatory statement expressed in a fixed medium, usually writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast. See What is the legal definition of defamation?
Question: What is disparagement?
Answer: As defined in Black's Law Dictionary (7th ed. 1999), disparagement is "A false and injurious statement that discredits or detracts from the reputation of another's property, product, or business. To recover in tort for disparagement, the plaintiff must prove that the statement caused a third party to take some action resulting in specific pecuniary loss to the plaintiff."
Question: Does it make any difference if I am commenting on a product or company rather than a person?
Answer: Product disparagement law prohibits certain false claims about another's goods or services. While a defamatory statement harms the reputation and character of a person or corporation, a product disparaging statement harms the marketability of the goods being disparaged. Product disparagement is typically harder to prove.
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Johnny, are you married to a woman named SUE?
You sound just like her.
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It used to be funny, but now this is getting old.
Face it- if you had a hope in hell you would have already talked to an actual lawyer. You know damn well this isn't leaving the Internet, your attempts would be an absolute joke in court (seriously- Encyclopedia Dramatica would already be toast ten times over if your arguments had ANY merit), and you're not getting shit out of anyone.
Want your blankie?
We need to get some more sites like this one put up. They attract legal threats, and legal threats attract the attention of the Slashdot-and-EFF public. 8-)
Oh yeah, and four pages of Ringo bullshit aside, we still need some more content. Other Anon, stop arguing with this assclown and give us some more good stuff.
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hidden lake, jeff holloway, len buccelato, etc. are not private figures, nor are we attacking their private lives. you should know that teachers and certain school administrators are public figures, and are prosecuted as such when they commit a crime. e.g a teacher caught doing drugs, molesting, or doing any thing else is liable for a worse penalty than your average joe schmoe. judges like to impose maximum sentences on teachers and such who commit crimes. remember, i said (and many others would do the same) that i would testify in court that what i have said, and what many others have said on fornits is true.
also, we are not another bussiness with another, alternate product for which we make claims about you. we (fornits/fornitswiki, not the parody site) are simply exposing the inner workings of your program/school, and telling people not to buy into it. we can detail the inner workings of every aspect of the school, and not be prosecuted for it because it is factual and not copyrighted. it's your own fault for making hidden lake academy such a hellhole that if consumers really knew what they were getting you'd be out of bussiness in no time. it will be obvious to any judge you take this to (especially because of the other lawsuit) that you are just trying to cover up your own wrongdoings.
so what johhny ringo is saying is that reviewing a product is illegal if it's a bad review and makes people not buy a product! this would make the entire principal behind the "free market economy" illegal.
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What do you have to say about the horses and the posting about the fire?
I also found an older thread about the fire. Some very interesting things there.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... &start=150 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21718&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150)
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I am glad you are so confident. However, if you don't think that what is on that site can be shown to effect the individuals protrayed you are an idiot. I personally don't care at this point if the site remains up or not. I have printed the entire site and look forward to what progresses.
In addition, if you don't believe that fornits and or Ginger and or anyone associated with this site cannot be held responsible for calling staff niggers, whores and porn stars, you really haven't kept up on recent hate legislation which holds that sites such as this are perpetuating hate.
I just hope the individual is young, then their parents can pay and/or they can pay for a lifetime. Just keep sending the check.
You know what's so "ironic" Hollowhead? Here you are defending against the use of a deragotory term to describe a black person, yet my son's first conselor (or was it his 2nd or 3rd?) left HLA because he was BLACK and felt discrimated against by HLA!!! "Isn't it ironic?" Fuck off you pathetic hypocrite!
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Oh yeah, that's another reason they can't sue- if they did that, then the fact that most of the people listed there aren't staying there very long, or possibly never worked there in the first place, would come to light. They can't take that to ANYONE without their inflation of staff being exposed.
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Good luck with that lawsuit I have a feeling Pizza Hut is gonna be a bit pissed with you though.
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Becareful that you don't forget that although Fornits states it doesn't condone such comments, its basic premise from posts by Ginger is hate. You don't have to look to far in the media to find cases of defamation based on things far less offensive. Good luck to you . Can you say class action.
hey dickhead. have you noticed that the parody site is not hosted by fornits, nor created by its principals? you don't know much about the law. just because a few kids you tortured wanted to make a parody website and laugh about you here you can't sue the BB where they happen to be discussuing it. you need to go to the source, and it isn't fornits. it's just some kids who hate you because you abused them. you reap what you sow, cocksucker.
good luck with your "lawsuit," faggot.
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So you believe that someone like Don Imus can face what he has based on a comment like nappy headed ho's but you can refer to african american staff as niggers and female staff as whores and not be held accountable. The arrogant are always the most entertaining.
hey, johnny ringo, you dumb fucking cocksucker, CBS paid Don Imus $120 million this week.
he must be crying in his pillow over it. :roll:
and if you're claiming to be defamed, how can an anonymous poster have suffered damage to his anonymous career and anonymous reputation. you really are a stupid buttplug, aren't you?
BTW, when are you going to stop beating your anonymous wife?
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Understand that in a parady, the names are changed. This is slander.
oh, so i guess you never watched a show like SNL. they say terrible things about PRESIDENTS while portraying them exactly by name. ever see the daily show?
you are one really dumb person, jeff....errr....johnny ringo.
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First, you all know so much about the first amendment that you had to flee the U.S.?
Second, Where is you parody site now?
Third, prepare for the first amendment lesson.
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dude, shut your fucking hole. this is exactly what you're going to do: NOTHING.
we're not some hapless helpless kids that you get to get your shit off on every day so you can feel like a man. you don't scare anybody here. go ahaed and give it a go - see what happens. your defamatory posts have been logged, cockroach. you'd better be prepared to pay for your defense in a big fat countersuit.
a lot of us here have the resources to bury you, fool. you don't make in three years what i make in one and my family is wealthier than you can comprehend, hayseed.
bring it on, cocksucker and i'll own your meager possessions.
the first amendment covers everything on this site and bigger fish than you have tried to sue over it, losing each and every time. the site was moved simply to avoid the hassle of bogus complaints like yours having to be answered at all.
if you get mad at what you read here, don't read. if you do read and get mad, just give your wife another shiner. that'll make you feel better, lowlife.
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First, you all know so much about the first amendment that you had to flee the U.S.?
Second, Where is you parody site now?
Right here (http://http://209.62.62.138/~fornits/hiddenlakeacademy.info/) (fast! isn't it?)
Don't worry. We're setting up the nameservers so it will once again be available at the old address. Oh. And do have fun with our new provider.
Oh.. forgot to mention the complimentary "go fuck yourself"
~the fornits techincal staff
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no one is going to get sued by making fun of a school, shit, we did it all the time at our highschool. But the parents will take one look at all the porn and stuff and realize fornits is just a dump for kids screwing around trying to make there school look bad.
The credibility of fornits has really tanked over the past few months/years. People, like psy, who defend this crap under the guise of free speech is allowing the message board to become a joke. I think we all believe in free speech but we also have a charter and a belief that parents need to see the truth about some of these places.
If we spend more energy on defending porn and anti-semetic and hate sites, what does that make us?
You finally got rid of thewho (good fucking ridance) but not until he exposed that peoples posts are altered and deleted if they are not in agreement with the moderators. He was banned for flooding (real believable after like 3 years 3,000 posts). I followed him and he irrated the shit out of me and everyone else, but he didnt fall under your definition of "Free speech" so he got the boot.
Anyone who has been following this board knows that, so get off the freespeech soap box, because it isant happening at fornits either. Everyone has their limits.
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If I were at HLA and I had a potential parent question me about the validity of the lawsuit, I would actually direct them to fornits and tell them to take a look at the types of things people are posting. I would tell them to look at the quality of things that are on the site and I would let them know those are the types of people that are suing them. Most parents would understand right away that fornits is irrevelevant and would probably pay no attention to the lawsuit.
In the past this site did a good job of exposing some things that needed exposing at HLA. Now, it comes across as a worthless site with no credibility.
BTW...from what I hear HLA's enrollment is starting to inch upward again.
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but not until he exposed that peoples posts are altered and deleted if they are not in agreement with the moderators.
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Big Hint: The idiots who get on and say "Fornits has no credibility" over and over again are- guess what!- programmies. Especially when they try to alter their writing styles to look like other Anons. It's fucking transparent.
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no one is going to get sued by making fun of a school, shit, we did it all the time at our highschool. But the parents will take one look at all the porn and stuff and realize fornits is just a dump for kids screwing around trying to make there school look bad.
The credibility of fornits has really tanked over the past few months/years. People, like psy, who defend this crap under the guise of free speech is allowing the message board to become a joke. I think we all believe in free speech but we also have a charter and a belief that parents need to see the truth about some of these places.
If we spend more energy on defending porn and anti-semetic and hate sites, what does that make us?
You finally got rid of thewho (good fucking ridance) but not until he exposed that peoples posts are altered and deleted if they are not in agreement with the moderators. He was banned for flooding (real believable after like 3 years 3,000 posts). I followed him and he irrated the shit out of me and everyone else, but he didnt fall under your definition of "Free speech" so he got the boot.
Anyone who has been following this board knows that, so get off the freespeech soap box, because it isant happening at fornits either. Everyone has their limits.
Interesting but false accusation. After TheWho was banned, I contacted Ginger privately because I was upset about banning anybody for what they said. Well. Turns out he was flooding a lot more than people realize. He WAS flooding the forum, not just under his username. Ginger is very very very strict about her free speech policies. She realizes that when you start to censor a litte, for any reason, it's a slippery slope before suddenly you are getting fined 300k for a wardrobe malfunction... and it goes downhill from there.
The site, parts of it I find offensive, yes. But censorship offends me more. I could quote Voltaire on this but it would probably be redundant at this point.
Also, you may not realize it, but a lot of the staff members like "Johnny Ringo", do get offended by what is posted on fornits, and on sites like hiddenlakeacademy.info (like Johnny Ringo, above). They would probably never admit it... but they would never have bothered to contact the hosing service if they weren't.
Fornits exists for more than just parents... For a lot of people, being able to say "fuck you" where before they were silenced is ... well .. therapeutic.
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I would let them know those are the types of people that are suing them.
BTW...from what I hear HLA's enrollment is starting to inch upward again.
and also these are the types of people who work at HLA. and btw, for your information, no one involved in the lawsuit has been posting on this site FOR A WHILE.
and HLA's enrollment will cease to exist in a few days.
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I would let them know those are the types of people that are suing them.
BTW...from what I hear HLA's enrollment is starting to inch upward again.
and also these are the types of people who work at HLA. and btw, for your information, no one involved in the lawsuit has been posting on this site FOR A WHILE.
and HLA's enrollment will cease to exist in a few days.
Again, we will see how credible the information on fornits is. So, giving you a margin lets say 4 days. So by Friday all enrollments will cease at HLA, is what you are saying.
If this is true I will also believe "thewho" was really bannished for flooding.
::hatter::
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I would let them know those are the types of people that are suing them.
BTW...from what I hear HLA's enrollment is starting to inch upward again.
and also these are the types of people who work at HLA. and btw, for your information, no one involved in the lawsuit has been posting on this site FOR A WHILE.
and HLA's enrollment will cease to exist in a few days.
HLA enrollment is at 55. 7 are Graduating August, if they have not already. Bucci still has equity in the school that he has not tapped out
according to county, state and public filings. He can still borrow against the equity. HLA is listed at approx. worth 8.5 million and according to
public records the mortgage is approx. 3. plus million. I do not think he is
going anywhere, unless there is a huge trump card.
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The last discussion is quite interesting. Supporting this type of nonsense does undermine what you are trying to do. But alas, you have nothing else. The "paradoy" site really should be appreciated for what it is; the last ditch effort of a few bitter, angry, and morally corrupt individuals. I have pointed it out before and, at the risk of sounding redundant, will do so again. All any of you ultimately have is personal attacks. Middle school, juvienille attacks. Not even intellectually sophisticated attacks; and this is truly sad.
Lets look honestly at the situation. You have dedicated much of your worthless lives to attempting to close what you believe to be a corrupt, abusive system. This is honorable. However, you have not one shred of evidence to support this. No substaintiated abuse investigations, no substaintiated investigation of corruption. Nothing but your own paranoia to keep you driven to nowhere.
Over the past year HLA has faced an incredible hurdle created in part by some of you. HLA has actually survived this and come out better in many ways than before. Contrary to your uninformed belief, admissions are rising everyday. HLA will rebound, HLA will survive.
Fornits however has failed. Your participation is down. You've lost much of your support and you've been kicked out of America. The few of you that have not lost complete touch with reality (drug induced or not) must begin to see that it is Fornits and its supporters who have become offensive to people. No parent, consultant or public official can take this site seriously. No parent would question who is providing factual information, HLA or Fornits. In reality, you've made Fornits a paradoy of itself.
Lastly, I honor your acknowledgment and support of the right to free speech. But as many of you should realize, rights are given up frequently by the free due to their inability to exercise those rights responsibly. Maybe we will never lose our right to free speech in this country. I am not so sure. This is not a dialogue, its not a discussion. It is crude, offensive and hateful diatribe and this is what will ultimately cost us our freedom of speech.
It took me steping away from the situation a bit to see this. You are no longer threatening; you have become pitiful.
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22853 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22853)
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no one is going to get sued by making fun of a school, shit, we did it all the time at our highschool. But the parents will take one look at all the porn and stuff and realize fornits is just a dump for kids screwing around trying to make there school look bad.
The credibility of fornits has really tanked over the past few months/years. People, like psy, who defend this crap under the guise of free speech is allowing the message board to become a joke. I think we all believe in free speech but we also have a charter and a belief that parents need to see the truth about some of these places.
If we spend more energy on defending porn and anti-semetic and hate sites, what does that make us?
You finally got rid of thewho (good fucking ridance) but not until he exposed that peoples posts are altered and deleted if they are not in agreement with the moderators. He was banned for flooding (real believable after like 3 years 3,000 posts). I followed him and he irrated the shit out of me and everyone else, but he didnt fall under your definition of "Free speech" so he got the boot.
Anyone who has been following this board knows that, so get off the freespeech soap box, because it isant happening at fornits either. Everyone has their limits.
Interesting but false accusation. After TheWho was banned, I contacted Ginger privately because I was upset about banning anybody for what they said. Well.Turns out he was flooding a lot more than people realize. He WAS flooding the forum, not just under his username. Ginger is very very very strict about her free speech policies. She realizes that when you start to censor a litte, for any reason, it's a slippery slope before suddenly you are getting fined 300k for a wardrobe malfunction... and it goes downhill from there.
The site, parts of it I find offensive, yes. But censorship offends me more. I could quote Voltaire on this but it would probably be redundant at this point.
Also, you may not realize it, but a lot of the staff members like "Johnny Ringo", do get offended by what is posted on fornits, and on sites like hiddenlakeacademy.info (like Johnny Ringo, above). They would probably never admit it... but they would never have bothered to contact the hosing service if they weren't.
Fornits exists for more than just parents... For a lot of people, being able to say "fuck you" where before they were silenced is ... well .. therapeutic.
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You've gotta be kidding me, Mr. Holloway.
First of all, you not only have no idea what you're talking about but also don't have any right to say you know where the children of HLA are coming from. You're speaking solely off a staff member's perspective. The months spent in isolation of the program lead to desperation, loneliness, and skin scraping torment. You have no idea of the self destructing thoughts that go along in the mind that of an HLA student.
Not only are students usually forced or tricked into getting sent away in the program, but they are lied to as well. Funny, I’ve actually heard a source stating that you yourself said that HLA supplied jet skis to the student. You make me laugh, the things you’re trying to echo in this discussion. Not to mention for a 40-something year old dirt bag you need a spell-check in almost every other paragraph.
The last discussion is quite interesting. Supporting this type of nonsense does undermine what you are trying to do. But alas, you have nothing else. The "paradoy" site really should be appreciated for what it is; the last ditch effort of a few bitter, angry, and morally corrupt individuals. I have pointed it out before and, at the risk of sounding redundant, will do so again. All any of you ultimately have is personal attacks. Middle school, juvienille attacks. Not even intellectually sophisticated attacks; and this is truly sad.
No wonder you turned to the business of commercialism and lying. It’s a parody, foremost, and just because it speaks against the philosophy your program tries to shove down 23 months in the making to these desperate souls doesn’t make it slander. There’s already too much immorality and bullshit HLA brings upon itself that makes it a magnet for criticisms.
And what a weak move on your part, being HLA’ S little puppet so to speak. If anything, Doctor B should be the one sticking to his guns with this whole HLA WILL SURVIVE crap and trying to feed his uncanny, weak argument. But no, instead he sends idiots like you with the brochure of the program in your hand and go wild. To me you’re the only one pitiful here.
Lets look honestly at the situation. You have dedicated much of your worthless lives to attempting to close what you believe to be a corrupt, abusive system. This is honorable. However, you have not one shred of evidence to support this. No substaintiated abuse investigations, no substaintiated investigation of corruption. Nothing but your own paranoia to keep you driven to nowhere.
This whole passage screams ‘HLA spy-defendant’ to me. You’re not a free speaker, but only trying to defend the program so you can go off on your ten-speed motorcycle, make money, and enjoy getting paid to lie to kids for a living. You make me sick.
And yes, those sent off to HLA are faced with tough decisions and the ones they made beforehand were nothing short of foolish, but in the big picture no one deserves that kind of punishment and trauma bestowed on them. Teenagers should be in their own environment to grow up and experience life, not sent away to the middle of nowhere and forced to hang around the scum bag staff members you people unwisely hire. (Cough, cough Trey Brown AKA the prowler cough, cough)
Over the past year HLA has faced an incredible hurdle created in part by some of you. HLA has actually survived this and come out better in many ways than before. Contrary to your uninformed belief, admissions are rising everyday. HLA will rebound, HLA will survive.
Wow. Never have I heard such subjectivity and arrogance in one passage alone (not to mention poor grammar, but don’t even get me started!).
I could really get on your case for the retarded stance you take in this one, but here let me just spark you this question: if HLA truly will rebound and survive, how come it takes away so much interest out of Lumpkin County’s taxes and also the land it consumes that could be useful for actual facilities. And if it will really survive, how come you each set yourself up for failure by hiring unlicensed counselors? Does a decrepit soul named Clay Erickson ring a bell here? How about the good ole Beau Rappe? Did you think you could really get away with that one?
Fornits however has failed. Your participation is down. You've lost much of your support and you've been kicked out of America. The few of you that have not lost complete touch with reality (drug induced or not) must begin to see that it is Fornits and its supporters who have become offensive to people. No parent, consultant or public official can take this site seriously. No parent would question who is providing factual information, HLA or Fornits. In reality, you've made Fornits a paradoy of itself.
So it’s OK to justify your concentration-camp like mentality with the usage of a questionably ‘therapeutic’ program? You’re so full of it. HLA does have its benefits and it causes change within the peers, but in the worst and most abusive way possible. There’s so many other ways you could try and help a child grow up and mature through passion and understanding without the factor of making a buck, but Hidden Lake Academy chooses not to. And that’s what sickens me the most. The point that you lead these young men and women to are wrong beyond any speak able level (and I’m talking from experience now) and you in the office just don’t care. Because each of you in the office leave and go home each night, nine to five. But not those in that run-down ghetto of a dorm, put in the care with the creepy and sanity questionable night staff.
All in a day’s work, isn’t it?
That’s what sickens me the most.
It took me stepping away from the situation a bit to see this. You are no longer threatening; you have become pitiful.
I don’t even think I have to touch base on this one, I’ve already proved how ridiculous this closing statement alone sounds.
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HlA may still have equity, yes, thats true. But to get money for that equity, and to hold on to the school afterwards, bucci needs to prove and keep up the enrollments, something which he as of yet has not been able to do. HLA never recovered from the lawsuit. they have never, and will never be able to get back to the 03'-05' enrollment numbers. so even if he does get a loan, bucci has a very long and hard road ahead of him. HLA is not healing from a serious wound, they are on life support after a major wreck and are slipping in and out of consciousness. it's just a matter of time before bucci pulls the plug and moves on.