Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: psy on August 06, 2007, 08:12:45 PM
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: psy on August 06, 2007, 08:12:45 PM
http://fornits.com/wiki (http://fornits.com/wiki)
Also hosted in Canada
Thank you Ginger!
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Mummie on August 06, 2007, 08:20:43 PM
I checked that out. Pretty interesting. Nice going.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: * on August 06, 2007, 09:02:56 PM
This is great! Can't wait to start using it.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Mummie on August 06, 2007, 10:19:06 PM
No offense, but what the Hell is "Nilla"? Nilla Wafer? Izzy's latest midnight treat? 20 posts so far. Hmmmm
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Bunnie on August 06, 2007, 10:24:24 PM
:D Nilla is a Good person, Mummy.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: * on August 06, 2007, 11:03:49 PM
Quote from: ""Mummie""
No offense, but what the Hell is "Nilla"? Nilla Wafer? Izzy's latest midnight treat? 20 posts so far. Hmmmm
Mummie, i've been around this industry (and not by choice) a lot longer than I ever hoped I would be. Some of us observe more on fornits than post. Glad to see you have figured out the industry. Welcome to the TTI.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: nimdA on August 07, 2007, 01:35:19 AM
^^ wut she said
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Ursus on August 07, 2007, 01:55:47 AM
What's with all the double consonants? Nilla... Mummie... Bunny... :D
Title: Secretprisonsforteens
Post by: Covergaard on August 07, 2007, 02:05:22 AM
Please feel free to copy info fra secretprisonsforteens.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Mummie on August 07, 2007, 10:27:17 AM
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Mummie, i've been around this industry (and not by choice) a lot longer than I ever hoped I would be. Some of us observe more on fornits than post. Glad to see you have figured out the industry. Welcome to the TTI.
Nicely said: please don't give me that much credit. I am still learning how devious this industry "truly" is.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Nihilanthic on August 08, 2007, 10:38:35 PM
Ironically Im called "Nilly" by some who didn't know of "Niles" but can't say "Nihilanthic".
:wink:
Title: Got Started
Post by: Covergaard on August 09, 2007, 04:49:55 AM
Please correct typos and errors as you find appropriate.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: webdiva on August 09, 2007, 12:11:40 PM
Hey ginger why you steal my cute bunny ~tilde~ geez... lol
and peep this folks. this made me very happy last night when i stumbled upon it. http://http://tinyurl.com/2tvb9k
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Ursus on August 09, 2007, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Ironically Im called "Nilly" by some who didn't know of "Niles" but can't say "Nihilanthic".
:wink:
Some folks call me "shitty" but maybe they're just talking 'bout my subject matter.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: * on August 09, 2007, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Ironically Im called "Nilly" by some who didn't know of "Niles" but can't say "Nihilanthic".
:wink:
Some folks call me "shitty" but maybe they're just talking 'bout my subject matter.
Lol.. :)
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on August 12, 2007, 10:54:57 PM
Deborah, I think we need a whole lot of you for this one.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 03:00:18 PM
i get a blank page whenever i try to go to the wiki. because of the move?
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Deborah on August 16, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Deborah, I think we need a whole lot of you for this one.
I don't know how to work in Wiki. Besides, isn't that a venue in which one can research their ass off, post it, then someone can come along and change/delete it. If that's the case, no thanks.
Title: I have copied
Post by: Covergaard on August 16, 2007, 03:55:17 PM
I have copied a lot of the articles on secretprisonsforteens to fornits wiki and have also got something in return (HLA article).
You should always keep copies of the text-files and perhaps it would also be smart if only registered users could edit.
Wiki is a powerful tool and another good thing is that someone could put some of the material on wikipedia by accident.
I hope that you get it working again. I have more articles ready next week.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2007, 09:33:01 PM
covergaurd - how does it work and can others change the information you put in?
Title: How to do
Post by: Covergaard on August 17, 2007, 04:01:45 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
covergaurd - how does it work and can others change the information you put in?
I will recommend that you look into these pages on wikipedia and read about the syntax.
And about changing information. That is the meaning with wiki's. A lot of people changed the information with fact, they have seen or read somewhere.
Just remember to keep it in general terms and in a nice language, so parents would read it all instead of getting offended.
Use a somewhat NPOV language and describe the abuse without any emotions involved, which can be hard. But it is the only way to reach the parents.
Use also the talk pages and remember to end your input with ~~~~ (Which will make it easier to read who has written what).
I have used this losely structure about a facility, but it can be altered:
1 General information (addresses, ownership, number of detainees, type of program etc. school - accreditation if existing.) 2 Program information 2.1 Level contra peer group or combined. Do they use escort firms. 2.2 Description Levels system or group therapy cycles. / chores / work / Daily life 2.3 Consequences aka. punishment 2.4 Living conditions 2.5 Gradution / exit plan 3. Critisism - Refer to media, blogs etc. 4. In the news. Accidents / pulic known suicides etc. 5. Reference 6. External links: Program homepage for the parents, so they know who the page is about, info pages by watch-organisation and competitors like Sue etc. (Let them throw dirt at each other), survivor groups, forums: (Do not forget this). 7. Categories
I am looking forward for others to digg. Please be aware that I could copy something to secretprisonsforteens. By linking to each other, we will enable the search robots to put both pages higher up on search engines.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 10:32:41 AM
Is there a page for sue sue yet? ;)
Title: There is now
Post by: Covergaard on August 17, 2007, 11:36:48 AM
There is now, but I am not a part of the war, so please fill it with facts.
Remember - no weasel words. Facts, facts, facts and maybe it will suddenly appear on wikipedia. You will never know.
And should anybody tamper with / vandalize any articles, the IP address will be public for all to see. And Reputation Defender has been known to edit Wiki's before. Just take heart. All those records will eventually damn RD/Sue. I am recording each and every instance in which i've been banned from a website for trying to promote links to alternative information on Sue.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 12:50:52 PM
Psy--
I remember digg did it. Any other sites?
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2007, 03:00:59 PM
lots more HLA info coming soon 8-)
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 17, 2007, 06:07:39 PM
::cheers:: ::cheers:: ::cheers:: ::cheers::
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: psy on August 17, 2007, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Psy--
I remember digg did it. Any other sites?
Yup. And not just to me. BTW.... Now my entire ACCOUNT is banned at digg. Not just my IP address.
Title: I will rest for now
Post by: Covergaard on August 20, 2007, 04:51:37 PM
I have transferred a lot of info from secretprisonsforteens to Fornits Wiki and I have to take a rest for now.
I hope someone will take over from here. The CEDU area and their LGAT legacy needs a lot more work. Seed, Straight, Pathway etc. could also need more work and Elan / Hyde is not on at all.
The reason for my break is that a crazy Danish politician in the Danish town Viborg had some problems with 11 to 13 year old kids, which were running around stealing cars during the summer, properly because their parents were on Holiday.
A lot of parents just take of for 14 days leaving their children down to age 12 alone with money (we have a very low crime rate). Then the youth drinks, steels cars etc. And they can not be punished because the Danish laws forbids any child under 15 to be put in a courtroom. It is a job for the social services and because placement is expensive, they often give the child to a relative until the parents comes home and in rare occations the parents gets a fine.
So this politician had been to america and he saw a boot camp (We do not have boot camps in Denmark in our penal system.), and he want to put children aged 11 to 14 in such camps.
More info here in Danish:
The Danish justice minister has to take position about the boot camps (http://http://www.viborg-folkeblad.dk/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070806/VIBORG/708060029/1076/VIBORG) Criminal children has to be placed into camps (http://http://www.viborg-folkeblad.dk/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070803/VIBORG/708030119/1076/VIBORG)
That is where we in our group come into the picture. A total attack on him and his suggestion has been lanched and our next step is to suggest an alternative solution, which can be read here:
The RRN program - our solution (http://http://www.retsreformnu.dk/Retsreform/rrn_usversion.htm)
So I am off here for a while. I have a domestic battle to fight.
Good look with the Wiki.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 05:41:36 PM
yet another testament to how (most) northern europeans are more morally concious, and like to uphold freedom more than the people of the "land of the free". i said it before and i'll say it again...i love the dutch and i love the danes. swedes and norwegians too but not as much...they got alot of religious nuts there.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2007, 05:45:38 PM
Hey if you love 'em so much, go on over there and fuck 'em. Knock yourself out, and don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
Title: I could really really need help now
Post by: Covergaard on September 05, 2007, 04:25:43 PM
I can not describe the conditions as good as people, who have actually been there.
Some 42 facilities have been described more and less on Fornits Wiki so far but more hands are needed.
So please. Check out the facility where you or your relative has been detained. Fix the factual errors or email me, so the pages can be improved.
I have received a lot of material of various facilities, which need to be processed. I am also communicating with people outside fornits about other programs. It will take some time before I can add further materials, so until then: Join in and contribute!
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2007, 03:32:48 PM
Bump. We need more. Especially about Aspen hellholes.
Remember, this isn't Wikipedia. This is the Fornits wiki. Feel fucking free.
Title: We ARE working
Post by: Covergaard on September 07, 2007, 03:56:49 PM
We have 22 articles in the Aspen Education Group on Fornits Wiki documented as a start. (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Aspen_Education_Group)
But in order to improve these documentations, we need more:
We need ground pictures to document differences between brochures and reality. We need to outline every single type of punishment and wrongfull treatment We need to expose the Ed-cons who works with them. We need point out their weak spots in their procedures. That is where children looses their lives.
That needs man-power and someone close to the facilities, who can drive to the places and use their camera for a start. Who volunteers?
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2007, 01:29:42 AM
wouldn't it be better to spend my time editing the normal wikipedia since more people view that? or is it an issue that that information is being changed by programs all the time? i cant even find a link to fornits wikipedia, so is anyone actually even reading it?
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: try another castle on September 11, 2007, 01:37:40 AM
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wouldn't it be better to spend my time editing the normal wikipedia since more people view that? or is it an issue that that information is being changed by programs all the time? i cant even find a link to fornits wikipedia, so is anyone actually even reading it?
It's actually quite difficult to write even a stub on regular wiki about behavior mod places, because one of wiki's standards is that all material must be unbiased.
It's not impossible, it's just that since almost all of the accounts are anecdotal at this point, who is to say which story is "right"? (from wiki's standpoint, that is.) Most of us are a bit passionate about this sort of thing, so to sift that away from the factual data can be hard, without editorializing it, especially since we know we're way fucking right.
I believe psy was in the process of penning something for regular wiki a while back, and I believe he finished it, too. I can't remember if it was on benchmark or something more comprehensive to the industry, though.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2007, 03:15:52 AM
That's what I thought to until I read the disclaimer.
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If you have an opinion, please put them on the discussion page. Input is always welcome. Reserve the page itself for facts. It makes it easier to read. Remember to include survivor groups for each facility. It makes the world easier for survivors to have someone, who had been in the same situation to talk with.
Covergaard 07:47, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
Alternatively, you can quote yourself (ie. "according to one survivor 'such and such'". But it should be relavant and informational rather than "the place is a shithole". We already have the Fornits forum for that. --Psy 05:53, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: try another castle on September 11, 2007, 03:44:45 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
That's what I thought to until I read the disclaimer.
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If you have an opinion, please put them on the discussion page. Input is always welcome. Reserve the page itself for facts. It makes it easier to read. Remember to include survivor groups for each facility. It makes the world easier for survivors to have someone, who had been in the same situation to talk with.
Covergaard 07:47, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
Alternatively, you can quote yourself (ie. "according to one survivor 'such and such'". But it should be relavant and informational rather than "the place is a shithole". We already have the Fornits forum for that. --Psy 05:53, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Right. OK. That makes perfect sense to me, really.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: psy on September 11, 2007, 03:54:44 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
wouldn't it be better to spend my time editing the normal wikipedia since more people view that? or is it an issue that that information is being changed by programs all the time? i cant even find a link to fornits wikipedia, so is anyone actually even reading it?
Well, yes. There is a problem with programs editing Wikipedia, as well as threats of litigation etc... (typical program bullshit)
Patience.
The address is http://fornits.com/wiki (http://fornits.com/wiki)
Why isn't it on Google yet? Because I haven't submitted it, and nothing links to it yet. Why haven't I submitted it yet? Because it's better to have content, and a small foothold first.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: webdiva on September 11, 2007, 03:57:51 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""Guest""
wouldn't it be better to spend my time editing the normal wikipedia since more people view that? or is it an issue that that information is being changed by programs all the time? i cant even find a link to fornits wikipedia, so is anyone actually even reading it?
Well, yes. There is a problem with programs editing Wikipedia, as well as threats of litigation etc... (typical program bullshit)
Patience.
The address is http://fornits.com/wiki (http://fornits.com/wiki)
Why isn't it on Google yet? Because I haven't submitted it, and nothing links to it yet. Why haven't I submitted it yet? Because it's better to have content, and a small foothold first.
you seem to know a lot... why do dolphin's masturbate?
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: psy on September 11, 2007, 04:15:06 AM
Quote from: ""webdiva""
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""Guest""
wouldn't it be better to spend my time editing the normal wikipedia since more people view that? or is it an issue that that information is being changed by programs all the time? i cant even find a link to fornits wikipedia, so is anyone actually even reading it?
Well, yes. There is a problem with programs editing Wikipedia, as well as threats of litigation etc... (typical program bullshit)
Patience.
The address is http://fornits.com/wiki (http://fornits.com/wiki)
Why isn't it on Google yet? Because I haven't submitted it, and nothing links to it yet. Why haven't I submitted it yet? Because it's better to have content, and a small foothold first.
you seem to know a lot... why do dolphin's masturbate?
they're horny? why?
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: webdiva on September 11, 2007, 04:22:31 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""webdiva""
Quote from: ""psy""
Quote from: ""Guest""
wouldn't it be better to spend my time editing the normal wikipedia since more people view that? or is it an issue that that information is being changed by programs all the time? i cant even find a link to fornits wikipedia, so is anyone actually even reading it?
Well, yes. There is a problem with programs editing Wikipedia, as well as threats of litigation etc... (typical program bullshit)
Patience.
The address is http://fornits.com/wiki (http://fornits.com/wiki)
Why isn't it on Google yet? Because I haven't submitted it, and nothing links to it yet. Why haven't I submitted it yet? Because it's better to have content, and a small foothold first.
you seem to know a lot... why do dolphin's masturbate?
they're horny? why?
why are they horny? how the hell would i know? lol i'm not quite high enough to come up with some deep profound question so i figured i'd stick to someting all guys know about... masturbation! lol i would have asked the master of masturbation himself, niles, but wasn't around. :rofl:
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Covergaard on September 11, 2007, 07:11:30 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
wouldn't it be better to spend my time editing the normal wikipedia since more people view that? or is it an issue that that information is being changed by programs all the time? i cant even find a link to fornits wikipedia, so is anyone actually even reading it?
Yes, in some way it will be better, but the program owners reads wikipedia too and it ends up in a revert war. I lost one in febuary and my wikipedia account is watched by one or two people living in St. George according to Wiki-scanner.
But you are not watched and the syntax on Fornits Wiki are the same as on Wikipedia. It is very easy to copy a page from Fornits Wiki to the real Wikipedia. Just remember to alter the categories. They have a category called "behavior modification" which is a nice fit.
One tread about me (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gutworth#Pure_Frustration_at_an_Abusive_User)
Remember they do not want the dead victims on the board and some of the wikipedia administrators are still remembering the Bosnia war and the whole fight against the existence of Holocaust with fear, so they are more likely to support the deletion of such pages rather than having something on, which could offend some.
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Froderik on September 11, 2007, 09:14:31 AM
Quote from: ""webdiva""
i figured i'd stick to someting all guys know about... masturbation! lol i would have asked the master of masturbation himself, niles, but wasn't around.
I think a lot of women may know a fair amount about this too...? ;)
So you're saying Niles is a master-baiter? I'd have to agree....
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: webdiva on September 11, 2007, 06:13:06 PM
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Quote from: ""webdiva""
i figured i'd stick to someting all guys know about... masturbation! lol i would have asked the master of masturbation himself, niles, but wasn't around.
I think a lot of women may know a fair amount about this too...? ;)
So you're saying Niles is a master-baiter? I'd have to agree....
women masturbate? omg! who left me out of the loop! Jesus H. Christ, ill have to do some serious, long, hard research on that and get back to you! lol :rofl: :rofl:
and yes he is quite the baiter! baits morning, noon and night. lol
Title: Fornits launches wiki
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2007, 06:55:33 PM