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What R some of the worst disco groups U ever sat thru? Or seminars?
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What R some of the worst disco groups U ever sat thru? Or seminars?
The ones where Joe walks in. Without talking the time to get the gist of the context of what is going one, he starts dispensing the wit and wisdom of Chairman Joe. They all sucked. They were all like watching the paint peel off the bedroom ceiling of a three story walkup in Dorchester on a hot august night during an experience that is supposed to be meaningful but is just banal and repetitious.
Of course that was just my experience. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better.
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I remember being very affected (in a negative way) by the public castration of Mr. W, and that wasn't even seminar, that was a "regular" school meeting.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21123 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21123)
That kind of climate seemed almost "normal" to me at the time, given the frequency with which it occurred... No doubt my social maturity at the time (i.e., none) played into this kind of acquiescence. I don't recall talking to anyone about it afterwards. I thought that that was just how things were done, I guess, when a school was so committed to bringing out people's best, their unique potential, blah blah blah... But I remembered it, vividly, as some kind of traumatic event all these years.
I can remember certain family seminars too. The heat and the fear in the room would be palpable. So many people crammed into a tiny room, and it was hot, with little or no ventilation... being at that time, one of the classrooms in the Academic Wing of the Mansion. The aroma of stress given off by a human body in confinement can not easily be forgotten.
The fathers would all squirm in their hard plastic chairs with uncomfortable anticipation. A lot of clearing of throats as things got under way. The mothers were less uncomfortable, or, perhaps, did not show it so well. Joe always liked the mothers more, as a group. He thought they were "more in touch with their feelings." Of course they were more malleable, a la My Fair Lady. That's kind of difficult for a dad to do. I can remember Sam Edgar's dad blinking nervously behind his spectacles; his mom cool as a cucumber, poised for the inevitable.
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What R some of the worst disco groups U ever sat thru? Or seminars?
The ones where Joe walks in. Without talking the time to get the gist of the context of what is going one, he starts dispensing the wit and wisdom of Chairman Joe. They all sucked. They were all like watching the paint peel off the bedroom ceiling of a three story walkup in Dorchester on a hot august night during an experience that is supposed to be meaningful but is just banal and repetitious.
Of course that was just my experience. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better.
"Kids resent being brainwashed, but they recognize there is truth in my words." -Joseph Gauld
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"[P]eople will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie)
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"[P]eople will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie)
Now, now Gobbles... Don't you go stealing the Hipster's thunder. Wiki does clearly attribute two possible sources of this phenomenom to YOU:
Use of the expression by Goebbels
Later, Joseph Goebbels put forth a slightly different theory which has come to be more commonly associated with the expression big lie. Goebbels wrote the following paragraph in an article dated 12 January 1941, 16 years after Hitler's first use of the phrase big lie, entitled "Aus Churchills Lügenfabrik," translated "From Churchill's Lie Factory." It was published in Die Zeit ohne Beispiel.
That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one's secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.[1]
Attributed to Goebbels
There is an uncited rumor to the effect that Goebbels also offered up his version of the big lie technique without attributing it to either Jewish or Allied propaganda. That uncited quote is the most wide-spread attribution of the big lie, and it is usually given in a context where the implication is that the propaganda technique was invented by Goebbels, who was the propaganda minister for the Third Reich.
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"The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:[2]
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.[3]"
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HaHaHaaa... does sound a lot like someone we all know...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_on ... rk#Gobbles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_one-off_characters_on_South_Park#Gobbles)
Gobbles was in the episode in which the kid put on the "miracle worker" as a school play.
Not Gobbles:
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload ... ideo=24884 (http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/?lnk=v&ml_video=24884)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_one-off_characters_on_South_Park#Gobbles
Gobbles was in the episode in which the kid put on the "miracle worker" as a school play.
Well, Joe did always like the Helen Keller parable... I suppose he saw it as a real metaphor for the "miracles" he wrought with the kids who came to Hyde. Whereas Helen was handicapped by the lack of sight and hearing, we kids were handicapped by bloated reliance on superficial values and bad attitudes and moral lack (speak for yourself, Joe). The star of his show back then was, of course, his biggest so-called miracle: Michelle C. (who apparently experienced extreme difficulty in translating her success at Hyde into real-life)...
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If you enjoyed the south park clips, I am sure you will love this!
https://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx?t=204 (https://www.hyde.edu/podium/default.aspx?t=204)
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trolling for hyde? maybe you coud paste it instead of a link
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What R some of the worst disco groups U ever sat thru? Or seminars?
The ones where Joe walks in. Without talking the time to get the gist of the context of what is going one, he starts dispensing the wit and wisdom of Chairman Joe. They all sucked. They were all like watching the paint peel off the bedroom ceiling of a three story walkup in Dorchester on a hot august night during an experience that is supposed to be meaningful but is just banal and repetitious.
Of course that was just my experience. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better.
but at a cost: no one chnaged for the better there without others being shoved under the rug. And better, how? At playing the fool?
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trolling for hyde? maybe you coud paste it instead of a link
It is a video tribute to Joe. I am sure you will like it. They have my IP address. No Hyde swat team has got me yet.
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What R some of the worst disco groups U ever sat thru? Or seminars?
The ones where Joe walks in. Without talking the time to get the gist of the context of what is going one, he starts dispensing the wit and wisdom of Chairman Joe. They all sucked. They were all like watching the paint peel off the bedroom ceiling of a three story walkup in Dorchester on a hot august night during an experience that is supposed to be meaningful but is just banal and repetitious.
Of course that was just my experience. I am sure some were deeply moved and changed for the better.
but at a cost: no one chnaged for the better there without others being shoved under the rug. And better, how? At playing the fool?
Even a blind hog finds a chestnut now and again.
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Even a blind hog finds a chestnut now and again.
:nworthy: Mmmm... such a poet, Gobbs. I like the ring of that on my lips.
But aren't those porkers the same mammals that the humanoids train to rout out truffles in droves? Those wouldn't be Helen Keller-like hogs you be referring to, eh? I.e., not only blind but sans a sense of smell to boot? Maybe it's their exemplary attitude that helps them snuffle out those few chestnuts... now and again.
::hehehmm::
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trolling for hyde? maybe you coud paste it instead of a link
It is a video tribute to Joe. I am sure you will like it. They have my IP address. No Hyde swat team has got me yet.
Hmmm... I think peeps are not so concerned about the swat teams, Gobbs, as they are about the "Internet Defamation League," so to speak, not to mention the powers that be re. student-life-that's-liveable for those reading this whilst still ensconced in those hallowed halls...
Take note of all the hell that has just this past weekend broken loose re. Sue Scheff's diabolical attempt to castrate fornits of its service provider (based on greatly exxagerated and/or fabricated accusations) . In case anyone reading this has been out of commission in the past few days, this here forum is now located in Canada. The logistics of that move is why some of us may have experienced, and may still be experiencing, some "technical difficulties." Those interested in reading more, do head over to the Troubled Teen Industry and Caica forums for more info.
That said, on a but slightly related note, Gobbs, why don't you register as a user? You will be able to PM others, etc. with ease and impunity. You will need to have an email address - gmail is fine. No God-given or parental-given name is really necessary, when you come right down to it.
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Even a blind hog finds a chestnut now and again.
:nworthy: Mmmm... such a poet, Gobbs. I like the ring of that on my lips.
But aren't those porkers the same mammals that the humanoids train to rout out truffles in droves? Those wouldn't be Helen Keller-like hogs you be referring to, eh? I.e., not only blind but sans a sense of smell to boot? Maybe it's their exemplary attitude that helps them snuffle out those few chestnuts... now and again.
::hehehmm::
"Attitude is everything" or at least that is what the OGM on a HAA phone machine says.
(http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/Towelie.jpg)
Don't forget to bring a towel. Do you wanna get high?
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(http://http://supersmallgallery.com/London/towelie.jpg)
Ha Ha Haaa... Somebody really likes South Park!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ot ... ts#Towelie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_other_South_Park_residents#Towelie)
Okay, I got the "outgoing message" bit, but I'm blanking a wee bit on "HAA"... (Hyde Automatic Answering machine?)
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Hyde Alum Anonymous
We are all recovering, unless we are still active. Actually I think she is still deep in denial.
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Hyde Alum Anonymous
We are all recovering, unless we are still active. Actually I think she is still deep in denial.
HAA HAA HAAA! (What an anthem!) Gotcha. Okay, this person was mentioned way back, I know, but I'm blanking on her name... Save me the next three-quarters of an hour for a Search and do please spell it out for us?
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Hyde Alum Anonymous
We are all recovering, unless we are still active. Actually I think she is still deep in denial.
HAA HAA HAAA! (What an anthem!) Gotcha. Okay, this person was mentioned way back, I know, but I'm blanking on her name... Save me the next three-quarters of an hour for a Search and do please spell it out for us?
Tot that Marge and lift that G***
G.K.
Won't you take me down to funky town?
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(http://http://kaykay46290.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/towlie10.jpg)
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Okay, now I am more than a little confused... Am I to presume we are talking about the former Ms. Calvetti?
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Okay, now I am more than a little confused... Am I to presume we are talking about the former Ms. Calvetti?
How do you get MC out of GK? Speaking of drug use, I like the part of the Joe video were Francis Murray says see had to take Valium to deal with Joe. It was heart warming.
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Okay, now I am more than a little confused... Am I to presume we are talking about the former Ms. Calvetti?
How do you get MC out of GK? Speaking of drug use, I like the part of the Joe video were Francis Murray says see had to take Valium to deal with Joe. It was heart warming.
It's too early for the Bong. I's got responsibislities, boss! Though I sure wouldn't mind it for the p-a-a-i-n... Valium just doesn't do it for me. Guess it's not "spiritual" enough, ha ha!
So does Francis Murray still need to take the Valium? I need my heart warmed up a little more.
And... I was going on the "Marge" bit. And I'm still flummoxed. The only "G's" I recall at this very moment are Gaye LaMaye (sp?) and Gigi...
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Okay, now I am more than a little confused... Am I to presume we are talking about the former Ms. Calvetti?
How do you get MC out of GK? Speaking of drug use, I like the part of the Joe video were Francis Murray says see had to take Valium to deal with Joe. It was heart warming.
It's too early for the Bong. I's got responsibislities, boss! Though I sure wouldn't mind it for the p-a-a-i-n... Valium just doesn't do it for me. Guess it's not "spiritual" enough, ha ha!
So does Francis Murray still need to take the Valium? I need my heart warmed up a little more.
And... I was going on the "Marge" bit. And I'm still flummoxed. The only "G's" I recall at this very moment are Gaye LaMaye (sp?) and Gigi...
It was mean to be sung to the tune of "Old Man River" Marge is quoted in the oft posted Time article.
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Marge...with the initials M.M> isn't doing too well....I heard that she's struggling with life.
G.K. is around..she shows up at an occasional Hyde event.
I actually liked that video...it was well done...who did it?
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Marge...with the initials M.M> isn't doing too well....I heard that she's struggling with life.
G.K. is around..she shows up at an occasional Hyde event.
I actually liked that video...it was well done...who did it?
I was thinking of Margo, formerly M.C., currently M.F.
So I am still stuck on G.K., with an additional M.M. to add to the list...
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Marge...with the initials M.M> isn't doing too well....I heard that she's struggling with life.
G.K. is around..she shows up at an occasional Hyde event.
I actually liked that video...it was well done...who did it?
G.K. lives on the banks of the second largest river in New England ( by total average yearly water discharge)
I am very sorry to hear Margie is not doing well. She was a sweet girl. I wish I was not so rotten to her.
I have no Idea who did the clip. Good production values. Nice Job. I am surprised there are warts showing.
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Ye olde and oft-quoted Time article:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21249&start=4 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21249&start=4)
Margie Malone. See, I did not know her very well at all.
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G.K. lives on the banks of the second largest river in New England ( by total average yearly water discharge)
I am very sorry to hear Margie is not doing well. She was a sweet girl. I wish I was not so rotten to her.
I have no Idea who did the clip. Good production values. Nice Job. I am surprised there are warts showing.
I suppose it depends on whether they think of them as warts, eh?
Too bad about Margie. Illustration in point of how Hyde does not really address underlying issues and just foists a facade of control over the whole scenario. From the above linked article:
Asks J.B. Satterthwaite, retired head of the English department at Groton School in Groton, Mass.: "If a teen-ager is publicly humiliated, does this build his character? Does it build the character of other students who are encouraged to take part in such a show?"
...Despite the large number of problem children, there are no psychologists on the school's staff, because Hyde teachers prefer to "use our gut feelings."[/list]
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Spit it out, guys! Who is G.K.?
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It's rhymes with
"Smail Smelly"
:D
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It's rhymes with
"Smail Smelly"
:D
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It's rhymes with
"Smail Smelly"
:D
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It's rhymes with
"Smail Smelly"
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Gail Kelly! Red head, right? And lots of freckles? Didn't she used to wear her hair in pigtails? My memory is assuredly not what it should be...
What happened to that last smiley (out of those 4 posts)? Changed your mind? :D
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G.K. lives on the banks of the second largest river in New England ( by total average yearly water discharge)
I am very sorry to hear Margie is not doing well. She was a sweet girl. I wish I was not so rotten to her.
I have no Idea who did the clip. Good production values. Nice Job. I am surprised there are warts showing.
I suppose it depends on whether they think of them as warts, eh?
Too bad about Margie. Illustration in point of how Hyde does not really address underlying issues and just foists a facade of control over the whole scenario. From the above linked article:
Asks J.B. Satterthwaite, retired head of the English department at Groton School in Groton, Mass.: "If a teen-ager is publicly humiliated, does this build his character? Does it build the character of other students who are encouraged to take part in such a show?"
...Despite the large number of problem children, there are no psychologists on the school's staff, because Hyde teachers prefer to "use our gut feelings."[/list]
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Spit it out, guys! Who is G.K.?
Well, we don't know the details. I could be that she is just sick. You could not say that J a n H o ll and's demise was related to her lack of Hydeness. Breast Cancer can kick the shit out of your attitude.
I really do want to use peoples names on this forum. I would hate it if my name came up in a google search and I have always liked Smail.
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I really do want to use peoples names on this forum. I would hate it if my name came up in a google search and I have always liked Smail.
Did you mean to say "don't want?"
All hail to the Smail.
BTW, I do believe you've got a PM waiting for you...
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Back to the topic--
Worst seminar (school mtg) was the Marble naked body-fat test debacle. The admin took NO responsibility for letting that boneheaded (bone-something) plan proceed, but let the whole school roast that family mercilessly. Misery. As if the core problem was their family dynamic. such bullshit.
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Ursus-- Mr. W-- Cindy's dad? that was slightly before my time.
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Ursus-- Mr. W-- Cindy's dad? that was slightly before my time.
Yup. And Lennie's. And I always forget the middle child, sorry. JoeSoulBro should know her name. Actually, it's somewhere here in the threads, unless you're reading right there at the moment.
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Back to the topic--
Worst seminar (school mtg) was the Marble naked body-fat test debacle. The admin took NO responsibility for letting that boneheaded (bone-something) plan proceed, but let the whole school roast that family mercilessly. Misery. As if the core problem was their family dynamic. such bullshit.
Was this when Legg was headmaster and he and others had some issue with the girls' being too fat? And they all had to be measured in their birthday suits cuz the brassiere's would have "skewed the measurements too much?"
What family was roasted for this? Why didn't Legg take responsibility if he was headmaster? Maybe he was getting his jolllies off on this? He is some sick fuck.
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Back to the topic--
Worst seminar (school mtg) was the Marble naked body-fat test debacle. The admin took NO responsibility for letting that boneheaded (bone-something) plan proceed, but let the whole school roast that family mercilessly. Misery. As if the core problem was their family dynamic. such bullshit.
Was this when Legg was headmaster and he and others had some issue with the girls' being too fat? And they all had to be measured in their birthday suits cuz the brassiere's would have "skewed the measurements too much?"
What family was roasted for this? Why didn't Legg take responsibility if he was headmaster? Maybe he was getting his jolllies off on this? He is some sick fuck.
Yep, that's the seminar. The Marble family was roasted, as it was primarily the dad's (as athletic trainer) "fitness program" at issue. Never quite thought he was the pervert portrayed in that meeting--just thought he was absurdly overzealous about high school athletic fitness. The other coaches had to be on board on some level. No thought about how the absent parents of female students would feel about having their daughters stripped naked by non-medical personnel. Legg may have been an out of touch admin on this one, but his jollies weren't in question. The guy has his problems, but hitting on the high-school honeys wasn't his M.O., as far as I know. And it was his daughter that complained.
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Cindy, Jane, Lenny
Lenny ran away. The Warrens let him back in: family over Hyde dogma.
How long was Marble there? I recall a story about a trainer. I can see the mans face in the corner of my mind. The story goes like this:
He was warping the ace bandage around my thigh and rubbing the muscle. his hand worked it's way to my crotch and he started to rub my vagina.
This girl never reported it, but told her parents. She was out of Hyde before then end of the year.
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Cindy, Jane, Lenny
Lenny ran away. The Warrens let him back in: family over Hyde dogma.
How long was Marble there? I recall a story about a trainer. I can see the mans face in the corner of my mind. The story goes like this:
He was warping the ace bandage around my thigh and rubbing the muscle. his hand worked it's way to my crotch and he started to rub my vagina.
This girl never reported it, but told her parents. She was out of Hyde before then end of the year.
Didn't know about that--the ace bandage of doom. Think Marble may have also been on the wrestling coaching staff, too--but might be confusing him with Sataloff (sp?) who might have succeeded Marble as trainer--and scored a hyde (student-turned-staff) wife in the bargain. Jenny was great.
Cindy, Jane, Lenny, Carolyn
Carolyn never went to hyde, lucky girl.
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Cindy, Jane, Lenny
Lenny ran away. The Warrens let him back in: family over Hyde dogma.
How long was Marble there? I recall a story about a trainer. I can see the mans face in the corner of my mind. The story goes like this:
He was warping the ace bandage around my thigh and rubbing the muscle. his hand worked it's way to my crotch and he started to rub my vagina.
This girl never reported it, but told her parents. She was out of Hyde before then end of the year.
Didn't know about that--the ace bandage of doom. Think Marble may have also been on the wrestling coaching staff, too--but might be confusing him with Sataloff (sp?) who might have succeeded Marble as trainer--and scored a hyde (student-turned-staff) wife in the bargain. Jenny was great.
Cindy, Jane, Lenny, Carolyn
Carolyn never went to hyde, lucky girl.
A VERY familiar theme, I might add... "My Fair Hyde Lady"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady)
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Back to the topic--
Worst seminar (school mtg) was the Marble naked body-fat test debacle. The admin took NO responsibility for letting that boneheaded (bone-something) plan proceed, but let the whole school roast that family mercilessly. Misery. As if the core problem was their family dynamic. such bullshit.
Was this when Legg was headmaster and he and others had some issue with the girls' being too fat? And they all had to be measured in their birthday suits cuz the brassiere's would have "skewed the measurements too much?"
What family was roasted for this? Why didn't Legg take responsibility if he was headmaster? Maybe he was getting his jolllies off on this? He is some sick fuck.
Yep, that's the seminar. The Marble family was roasted, as it was primarily the dad's (as athletic trainer) "fitness program" at issue. Never quite thought he was the pervert portrayed in that meeting--just thought he was absurdly overzealous about high school athletic fitness. The other coaches had to be on board on some level. No thought about how the absent parents of female students would feel about having their daughters stripped naked by non-medical personnel. Legg may have been an out of touch admin on this one, but his jollies weren't in question. The guy has his problems, but hitting on the high-school honeys wasn't his M.O., as far as I know. And it was his daughter that complained.
It certainly sounds like the Marble family's roasting was unfair. And, I'm sorry to say, but it also sounds very typical of the Hyde that I knew to pin all the blame for "the problem" on a select few sacrificial lambs. Psychological road kill, as it were, along that noble path of changing the face of American education.
I doubt coach Marble was entirely blameless, but I agree, it's just not possible for the other coaches not to be on board on some level as well. I'll go with your assessment of his motives, but I have to differ with you on Legg's.
I can't picture Legg "hitting on high-school honeys" - not his M.O., I agree, the guy was too antiseptic to get his hands dirty like that. Rather, it is a prurient focus on sexual matters, per se that I find so sick, almost like they feel they have a right to own kids' sexual development, which direction it goes, how quickly it develops, and with whom. And this is a focus that Hyde as an institution has also demonstrated over the years, and that Joe Gauld has demonstrated as well, albeit in different ways than Legg.
How can a place dehumanize kids' sense of autonomy and fragile budding sexual development so much... that they could herd these kids butt naked into a fat measuring session, which bore more resemblance to a cattle inspection prior to slaughter, than anything remotely related to PhysEd... and nobody (save one small soul) at that place thought to question it? Easy, the attitude and mindset which produced that circumstance was already endemic to the place. It has always been that way. And it is still that way today.
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Ah, damnin' tarnation, Bear Boy, you are gettin' jes too frigin' prissy on me here!!! Don't tell me, ya have to actually clean yer claws before using them, har har har!! Just what kind of a touchy-feely candy-assed panty-waist are you, eh? Sounds like you need an old fashioned wedgie to sharpen up your sensibilities, har har!
Personally, I often like to target the fiery girly-girl delinquents, their uppityness is more of a front and easily squashed, even with all their sassy bravado. And ooohhhh, when they finally do come around, triumph is never so "precious," mm mm mm... Sah-WEEET!!! But I can't indulge myself too frequently, or public sentiment might run against me... heh heh! Not that it hasn't already done so on occasion, but... I've weathered those times pretty well, I think...
Another favorite profile of mine are the uppity well-meaning parents. Here they sit in family seminar, fat with confidence that I will recognize the depth of their good intentions and undying commitment.... Har har har!! Easy pickin's, I'll sucker punch them right in front of their peers and their lard-assed kids! Hoo boy, do I ever get a RUSH out of those jobs!! Har har! Politically correct dufusses like that Ass-Cow Gary give me particular personal satisfaction... I always hated guys like that, always saying the right thing, never drinking to excess, so damn frigin' polite!!
Ready to sow my oats at any age,
Joseph W. Gauld, The Educator
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i sat through one in woodstock where a kid was pressured into "coming out" ...it was very painful to watch. to this still have no idea whether he was gay. but either way that had to be traumatizing.
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i sat through one in woodstock where a kid was pressured into "coming out" ...it was very painful to watch. to this still have no idea whether he was gay. but either way that had to be traumatizing.
And what was the point, seriously, of having to "come out" in Seminar/Discovery Group? Seems to me that of all the so-called sins present in the world today, what one's sexual preference is should be pretty low on the list, regardless of how you feel about homosexuality or homosexuals, one way or the other.
But... one's sexual identification rates pretty high in the realm of hot topics close to one's core, i.e., where you are most vulnerable. And that's why they're interested. The scenario you describe could and did happen during my time as well. Guess not much has changed in this arena.
Historically, Hyde has always been rabidly anti-gay. I can recall long drawn-out droning speeches in school meetings by Ed Legg in the 70's, where he pontificated at length about the "unnaturalness" of the act and how "opting" to be homosexual was indicative of one's unwillingness to take responsibility for one's life, blah blah blah... The word "responsibility" was emphasized over and over again. I remember sitting there thinking about someone in Senior Leadership who was about as gay as they come, and wondering how he was dealing with this. I think that in order to survive you have to go into a certain amount of self-denial about it. Which will certainly come at great cost to your sanity later on.
Of course, back then, even with all the witch hunts for gays going on, Henry Milton was engaging in all sorts of questionable activity with some boys, not to mention that old hawk-nosed fart Sumner Hawley even "doing" returning alums. Yeah, I kinda liked old Sums 'cuz he actually valued having a brain (he was educated elsewhere), but that kind of sexual predation is simply inexcusable.
Hyde is a very expensive "education." I figure 10 years of therapy for every year spent there is a pretty good ballpark figure for some.
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thinking about someone in Senior Leadership who was about as gay as they come,
He looked great in those danskins and even better out of them.
Sumnah
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speeches in school meetings by Ed Legg in the 70's, where he pontificated at length about the "unnaturalness" of the act and how "opting" to be homosexual was indicative of one's unwillingness to take responsibility for one's life
Damn right I did. Look at Paul. He took my advice and he made a bundle off those new age crystal gazing west coast loony tunes. That doesn't mean you can't have a little man to man fun once in a while. I like to go out and find me a Broke Back Mountain cowboy every so often. I like a little tofu once in a while too. But mostly I am a meat and tatter kind of guy. I remember you being a little fruity. But thats ok.
Hugs and Kisses
Ed
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speeches in school meetings by Ed Legg in the 70's, where he pontificated at length about the "unnaturalness" of the act and how "opting" to be homosexual was indicative of one's unwillingness to take responsibility for one's life
Damn right I did. Look at Paul. He took my advice and he made a bundle off those new age crystal gazing west coast loony tunes. That doesn't mean you can't have a little man to man fun once in a while. I like to go out and find me a Broke Back Mountain cowboy every so often. I like a little tofu once in a while too. But mostly I am a meat and tatter kind of guy. I remember you being a little fruity. But thats ok.
Hugs and Kisses
Ed
::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
Ah, Ed, I think you might be fishing in the wrong lake, eh? Or maybe with the wrong fishing pole... ha ha
All that crazy shit that went down at Hyde made me more inclined to be asexual than anything else. At least I could savor my sanity in the solitude of my lonely lair.
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Ursus-- Mr. W-- Cindy's dad? that was slightly before my time.
The thought just occurred to me that there are a least two "Mr. W's" discussed at any length here on the Hyde forum, and I just wanted to make brief mention of both of them in case Guest meant the other one, or anyone reading herein at a later date gets confused...
At the time of the above post (the previous page in this thread), I had assumed poster meant Bud Warren (i.e, the father of Cyndi, Jane, Lenny, and Carolyn), who used to teach at Hyde for a number of years early in its history.
However, there is another Mr. W mentioned elsewhere here on the forum, namely Larry Willwerth (sp?), who also taught at Hyde for a few years in the early/mid 70s. There is a thread started about this Mr. W here:
Burnside's Piece on Mr. W
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=21123 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=21123)[/list]The original entry, from which that thread spun off, is here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=14639 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=14639)[/list]
Hope that clears up any confusion, if indeed there was any.
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I always remember the time the large boy of authority let slip a tearful sentence that eluded to his gay porn troubles, confirming campus speculation. Word never really got out about that, though, but I knew.
My favorite FLC group memory began like this. The dark boy announced "Mom, I have something to tell you."
"I've found something that really speaks to me. Some people I can relate to. Mom... I've converted to Satanism." A mother in the group immediately began to chuckle but caught herself in less than a second. He turned to his mother, extolling the virtues of his newfound beliefs, but he soon was asking "Mom, why are you crying?" He was absolutely dead serious in everything he said. He was a young man who never joked. After some very awkward back-and-forth between the son and mother, the group gave feedback. The mother who had initially found the situation humorous apologized. I looked at my own mother, who was covering her face, looking pained. I wondered if she was truly upset by the situation. I was biting my tongue increasingly hard to contain myself. The star feedback came when a girl offered words of comfort to the boy. "I understand your position. My parent's aren't tolerant of my religious beliefs either. I'm a witch."
Immediately upon the dismissal of the meeting and as soon as we were outside and out of earshot, I turned to my mother and asked why she had covered her face. "I couldn't keep a straight face. I didn't want them to see me laughing."
We laughed extremely hard for fifteen minutes straight, and then tried to conceal our continued laughter as we went to lunch.
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Well... kudos to you and your mum for having your heads screwed on straight. And kudos for having the kind of relationship where that can be shared amongst the two of you.
But... as crazy as you may consider me for saying this, it seems (to me) that you've aptly illustrated one of my contentions re. the mindset percolating away within the hallowed halls of blue and gold... People get ripened to pledge allegiance to some of the craziest of notions... They get robbed of their ability to think critically. To buy the schtick – and the pressure is great for the unfortunate who do not fit in naturally – you end up giving away the ability to judge. My take on it, of course, stemming from my own time...
What are your thoughts on that? And what happened afterwards to those two kids you mentioned, i.e., the Satanist and the Witch?
And do explain more re. the other situation, namely:
I always remember the time the large boy of authority let slip a tearful sentence that eluded to his gay porn troubles, confirming campus speculation. Word never really got out about that, though, but I knew.
I do believe I know exactly who you are talking about, ha ha! He married into the family, once removed, no?
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You make a point, Ursus. It wasn't necessarily the most far-fetched or ridiculous thing to hear, but the kid kept piling it on to the poor mother worse and worse, and nobody was listening with any sense. I don't know if anyone besides myself and my mother even saw the ludicrous situation. After The Witch spoke, someone said "please, let's not make this an argument about religion." I make it sound fairly good, but my words can't do it justice. I'm almost glad to have been in that room for the memory alone.
The Satanist wasn't a bad kid, and his family desperately wanted to accept him, and he really wanted to have a good relationship with his family, but he refused to admit that it might be possible. He was not willing to try. I hope for his sake he changes in that respect. I think when I left him he was doing a little bit better. His hygiene had improved: he used to wear the same disgusting filthy necktie every day, which was way tied way too short and never undone, just slipped over his head each time he dressed. The Witch is a daughter of Hyde faculty, and I never really got to know her well enough to call her a crazy nutcase witch.
As far as the other boy goes, I don't think anyone ever mentioned it to him again. It was so quick I wasn't sure anyone else heard it. I did hear what I heard, though: I talked to my parents about it afterwards. He was really letting it out, which I was pleased to see because he's usually this stoic wall, and just about never lets on to his real feelings, because he is one of the biggest fakes I've ever known. He's such a phony I think he sometimes fools himself. He got so into being a "hyde leader" he got shitty grades, because it was more important to him to be proctoring than studying. And he got pissy at ? for a good while just for openly telling his grades. ? didn't know he was trying to keep them a secret. I never knew what it was that made him hide his true self, but when a friend offered his own theory that the boy might be gay, I thought it would be a pretty good fit. When it was confirmed that the boy was tortured by hidden homosexual feelings, I felt it did do some explaining, though he's definitely still a jerk. Wrote something like "I don't like you" in ? yearbook (he didn't hate ? I don't think, he was in one of his moods). But I could understand him a little better, maybe. He'd only opened up for a second in front of his parents, two ultraconservative old folks, with his mother sickly and frail to the point they were afraid to confront her too hard, for she looked like she was on the brink of death.
His words were coming fast, and it was just something like he was talking about difficult challenges they had overcome and just slipped in "the porn, the straight porn, [looks away] gay porn..." It wasn't like anyone in the room was going to let their curiosity run wild during feedback.
I'd like to keep these kids privacy intact, but I can tell you that I left Hyde recently, and these kids were all of the same graduating class. I barely censored this post for my own privacy. I tried not to explicitly say I was involved with something unless it was critical to the story. But I wasn't talking about anyone else specific beyond me and those three kids, you know.
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I talk too much. Damn.
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So how do you feel about being exposed to the inner workings of other families? How do you feel about Hyde? Was it a good experience?
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You make a point, Ursus. It wasn't necessarily the most far-fetched or ridiculous thing to hear, but the kid kept piling it on to the poor mother worse and worse, and nobody was listening with any sense. I don't know if anyone besides myself and my mother even saw the ludicrous situation. After The Witch spoke, someone said "please, let's not make this an argument about religion." I make it sound fairly good, but my words can't do it justice. I'm almost glad to have been in that room for the memory alone.
Give it time. In half a dozen years, I wager that pretty much most of those who remember this discovery group will remember it pretty much the way you and your mum do. Hyde's environment generally puts a real pall on seeing the overall big picture, i.e., "reality-check!"
The Satanist wasn't a bad kid, and his family desperately wanted to accept him, and he really wanted to have a good relationship with his family, but he refused to admit that it might be possible. He was not willing to try. I hope for his sake he changes in that respect. I think when I left him he was doing a little bit better. His hygiene had improved: he used to wear the same disgusting filthy necktie every day, which was way tied way too short and never undone, just slipped over his head each time he dressed. The Witch is a daughter of Hyde faculty, and I never really got to know her well enough to call her a crazy nutcase witch.
I'm no expert, but what I hear from this is that there is a real disconnect between personal identity and the identity these kids' families and/or Hyde wants them to have. Seems I've read things of that ilk in pretty much every treatise on adolescence there is. Isn't it part of your job, as a teenager, to question and test preconceived notions of the adult world? Helps keep the rest of us on our toes, and helps reduce the numbers of hypocritical asses in the world, ha ha! Sounds like that fellow's got his mum's buttons down pat. Hell, if that had been my kid, *I* probably would have burst out laughing, but I guess I'm not exactly "Hyde parent material" then, am I? :D
As far as the other boy goes, I don't think anyone ever mentioned it to him again. It was so quick I wasn't sure anyone else heard it. I did hear what I heard, though: I talked to my parents about it afterwards. He was really letting it out, which I was pleased to see because he's usually this stoic wall, and just about never lets on to his real feelings, because he is one of the biggest fakes I've ever known. He's such a phony I think he sometimes fools himself. He got so into being a "hyde leader" he got shitty grades, because it was more important to him to be proctoring than studying. And he got pissy at ? for a good while just for openly telling his grades. ? didn't know he was trying to keep them a secret. I never knew what it was that made him hide his true self, but when a friend offered his own theory that the boy might be gay, I thought it would be a pretty good fit. When it was confirmed that the boy was tortured by hidden homosexual feelings, I felt it did do some explaining, though he's definitely still a jerk. Wrote something like "I don't like you" in ? yearbook (he didn't hate ? I don't think, he was in one of his moods). But I could understand him a little better, maybe. He'd only opened up for a second in front of his parents, two ultraconservative old folks, with his mother sickly and frail to the point they were afraid to confront her too hard, for she looked like she was on the brink of death.
His words were coming fast, and it was just something like he was talking about difficult challenges they had overcome and just slipped in "the porn, the straight porn, [looks away] gay porn..." It wasn't like anyone in the room was going to let their curiosity run wild during feedback.
Well, this is a different person than the one I was thinking of (who is Hyde faculty, go figure). Sad it is, when you describe more of the whole picture... That kid has some serious self-esteem and self-acceptance issues. I might go so far as to call it self-hatred. Can't say I'm surprised to see that kind of thing not dealt with appropriately at Hyde; at a bona fide school he would have definitely qualified for some long term therapy (but that would have gone against Hyde's premise for being, so no go).
You sometimes read about middle-aged guys getting hooked on shit like that due to zero self-esteem, and it usually gets precipitated by some life crisis like job loss or marriage dissolution, etc. etc. And yeah, it often comes out that the fellow has been closeted for years and couldn't come to grips with it. And by that time, there are a million other issues and problems twisted into it making it that much more difficult to unravel and get back to a healthier outlook. Pure speculation/observation on my part. I'm hardly sane myself. :wink:
I see the latent hostility expressed by writing that crap in the yearbook as part and parcel of the same thing. That's pretty fucked up. But I wouldn't take it personally, if I were the yearbook owner. The dude really doesn't like himself. And that's the really fucked up part. Whatever does Hyde do for him? Hyde just feeds into that and exploits his bad feelings about himself in the worst possible way. This guy's a tragedy in the making.
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Sad it is, when you describe more of the whole picture... That kid has some serious self-esteem and self-acceptance issues. I might go so far as to call it self-hatred. Can't say I'm surprised to see that kind of thing not dealt with appropriately at Hyde; at a bona fide school he would have definitely qualified for some long term therapy (but that would have gone against Hyde's premise for being, so no go).
The dude really doesn't like himself. And that's the really fucked up part. Whatever does Hyde do for him? Hyde just feeds into that and exploits his bad feelings about himself in the worst possible way. This guy's a tragedy in the making.
You totally got it. It's really sad that his issues won't be confronted because he's an asset that's being exploited.
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Sad it is, when you describe more of the whole picture... That kid has some serious self-esteem and self-acceptance issues. I might go so far as to call it self-hatred. Can't say I'm surprised to see that kind of thing not dealt with appropriately at Hyde; at a bona fide school he would have definitely qualified for some long term therapy (but that would have gone against Hyde's premise for being, so no go).
The dude really doesn't like himself. And that's the really fucked up part. Whatever does Hyde do for him? Hyde just feeds into that and exploits his bad feelings about himself in the worst possible way. This guy's a tragedy in the making.
You totally got it. It's really sad that his issues won't be confronted because he's an asset that's being exploited.
Yeah but how do you fell about being part of that?
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Yeah but how do you fell about being part of that?
I did everything I could for him. I tried to talk to him, but it was not effective. I was not in a position to help the boy. I suppose the people who possibly could have helped him weren't doing all they could do, but in all fairness a boy like that is very difficult to help.
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Speaking of Discovery Groups, what the heck is a "Discovery Attorney/Consultant?" Is this a person who is a "Discovery Group Consultant," and also an attorney?
Does Hyde School now give out diplomas to Hyde parents as well? Boy, the Kool-Aid is gettin' really thick up there...
Here's a somewhat recent review (http://http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761501606/ref=cm_rdp_product) of Joe Gauld's Character First: The Hyde School Way and Why It Works; publisher Prima Lifestyles, 1995. (Current best price: 37¢)
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5.0 out of 5 stars
Hyde Saved My Daughter's Life (http://http://www.amazon.com/review/R25VBUZ63V1KQ6/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm), October 13, 2008
By Carol A. Fritz "Discovery Attorney/Consultant" (Philadelphia)
I am the parent of a Hyde School graduate and, having successfully completed the mandatory Family Education program, a proud graduate as well.
When I found out about the Hyde program in an online chat room for parents of teens in trouble, I bought this book. It was like a lifeline to me. I was so fed up with the superficiality of contemporary American culture. Here was someone willing to say that high values and effort are important in life. In my heart, I knew that the easy A's my daughter got at public school were more indicative of a failure of the schools to hold her to a high standard of scholarship than a sign of her accomplishment.
She went off the rails in her early teens. She calls those her "terminal years" as she's realized she was taking huge risks. I didn't expect her to live to eighteen.
Hyde School was the first place where she was challenged academically. They give an effort grade as well as an achievement grade. The effort grade is expected to exceed the achievement grade. With much struggle, she gained insight, compassion, and confidence in her abilities. She was well-prepared for college as she had great tools and study habits.
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Discovery is the process of posing interrogatories in written form to the opposing council prior to a Civil matter being hear before a Judge. A Discovery Attorney would be one that specializes in that piece of Civil Law. IANAL, YMMV, always wear safety equipment , statements made here in should not be considered as legal advise.
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Discovery is the process of posing interrogatories in written form to the opposing council prior to a Civil matter being hear before a Judge. A Discovery Attorney would be one that specializes in that piece of Civil Law. IANAL, YMMV, always wear safety equipment , statements made here in should not be considered as legal advise.
Yep; I guess my socially retarded attempt at humor, by making a play on words, fell completely flat! :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law))
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The term "mental retardation" has itself now acquired some pejorative and shameful connotations over the last few decades due to the use of "retarded" as an insult.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retarded (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retarded)
That would be socially inept. Using the term "retarded" to describe a substandard ability is like totally gay.
PS I would like the link to those Laurie Hurd photos you have please. She is totally hot.
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:roflmao: :roflmao:
Nah, I think in my case the the descriptive "socially retarded" is far more apt. Being socially inept is a direct result of that. Being neurologically atypical is not an insult, except at Hyde, where one's social performance is expected to fall within strict parameters.
I have no pics of Laurie Hurd. Please don't make me be explicit as to what I think of her. I don't want to hurt your feelings. I've always been partial to mice.
- Charlie