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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: psy on July 23, 2007, 06:34:59 PM
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Isabelle,
You should know who this parent is by now. She is the parent you referred to "Fnuts" and was posting as several different people. She has since discovered what you were up to and contacted me. Her only concern with me posting this information is that you might reveal the identity of her minor son (as you did with Sandy).
Although there would obviously be legal repercussions for such a stupid action, it would be nothing compared to the shit-storm I would personally bring down on your fat ass. You should have figured out by now that I am NOT bluffing. I have plenty more information. As I said before. It's not "which parent" i've been talking to that you should be worried about, it's "how many".
You know what I told you to do. I suggest you do it. You will never again be an "advocate". Perhaps if you had been honest with me, and had given me some decent information, things might have been different. You ruined the last chance you had. Now you will burn with sue.
Hi _____
Just checking in with you to see how things are going. I've been busy and out of town, leaving again next week for a week-long business trip. Never a dull moment!! I was successful in helping get another child out of Tranquility Bay - we've been working on this since December, if you can believe that. It was a custody issue. I went to TX for the hearing and she's home!! She said horrible things happened there, too. She's not talking too much yet but I anticipate she will in time. It's too bad because if they treated the children well such positive things could happen for them. I've learned when people are set in their ways there's no changing them - not unless they are the one wanting to make the change. So I end up doing damage control.
I just hope you're doing alright. And _____ - how's he adjusting? Have things gotten better at Sorenson's? How do you like the place? I'm trying to schedule a visit there as well as some other programs in Utah. I'd like to see them for myself, especially if I'm going to be involved in recommending some programs when we have situations like yours. I'm sure the day is going to come when I won't be able to reach Sue and I feel I need to know for myself and see for myself.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Isabelle
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Isabelle Zehnder
Founder and President
Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA)
Tel: (360) 903-3951
www.caica.org (http://www.caica.org)
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Izzy going out of business! :tup: ::cheers:: :nworthy:
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Isabelle,
You should know who this parent is by now. She is the parent you referred to "Fnuts" and was posting as several different people. She has since discovered what you were up to and contacted me. Her only concern with me posting this information is that you might reveal the identity of her minor son (as you did with Sandy).
Hi _____
Just checking in with you to see how things are going. I've been busy and out of town, leaving again next week for a week-long business trip. Never a dull moment!! I was successful in helping get another child out of Tranquility Bay - we've been working on this since December, if you can believe that. It was a custody issue. I went to TX for the hearing and she's home!! She said horrible things happened there, too. She's not talking too much yet but I anticipate she will in time. It's too bad because if they treated the children well such positive things could happen for them. I've learned when people are set in their ways there's no changing them - not unless they are the one wanting to make the change. So I end up doing damage control.
Yep, she referred me to Fornits. I had NEVER heard of this website until she wanted me to get on here. How many others did she refer here? Also, she's the one that gets on here and posts as "guest" and other names.
Isabelle NEVER talked to my daughter and she NEVER will.
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INFAMOUS ZEHNDER QUOTES
So I end up doing damage control. [/color]
- Isabelle Zehnder
Given that this is exactly what it appears Izzy is trying to do - FOR HERSELF -- I'd have to say at least on this score, truer words have never been spoken.
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Isabelle,
You should know who this parent is by now. She is the parent you referred to "Fnuts" and was posting as several different people. She has since discovered what you were up to and contacted me. Her only concern with me posting this information is that you might reveal the identity of her minor son (as you did with Sandy).
Hi _____
Just checking in with you to see how things are going. I've been busy and out of town, leaving again next week for a week-long business trip. Never a dull moment!! I was successful in helping get another child out of Tranquility Bay - we've been working on this since December, if you can believe that. It was a custody issue. I went to TX for the hearing and she's home!! She said horrible things happened there, too. She's not talking too much yet but I anticipate she will in time. It's too bad because if they treated the children well such positive things could happen for them. I've learned when people are set in their ways there's no changing them - not unless they are the one wanting to make the change. So I end up doing damage control.
Yep, she referred me to Fornits.
I wasn't actually referring to you with that. You aren't the only one she pointed to the big Izzy thread.
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Oh, I know that, Psy. I know that Isabelle got upset with this other parent because she did start posting on here. I'm sure there's numerous others.
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Izzy going out of business! :tup: ::cheers:: :nworthy:
And this isn't even the shit Deborah was referring to. LOLz .. Go find a bunker Izzy! May I suggest NORAD. Oh wait... sue has that one and won't open the door... LOL
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Oh, I know that, Psy. I know that Isabelle got upset with this other parent because she did start posting on here. I'm sure there's numerous others.
No offence Sandy, but how would you know she was upset with me posting if you weren't still talking with her after you said you had stopped? These emails were very recently.
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Oh, I know that, Psy. I know that Isabelle got upset with this other parent because she did start posting on here. I'm sure there's numerous others.
No offence Sandy, but how would you know she was upset with me posting if you weren't still talking with her after you said you had stopped? These emails were very recently.
No offense taken. I'm not sure who you are but I was thinking of a parent that started posting on here along the time line that Isabelle told me to pull this website up. I'm sure that there are MANY parents on here now that Isabelle gave them this website. And yes, I was still speaking to her at the time I first got on here, I no longer have anything to do with her.
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Oh, I know that, Psy. I know that Isabelle got upset with this other parent because she did start posting on here. I'm sure there's numerous others.
No offence Sandy, but how would you know she was upset with me posting if you weren't still talking with her after you said you had stopped? These emails were very recently.
No offense taken. I'm not sure who you are but I was thinking of a parent that started posting on here along the time line that Isabelle told me to pull this website up. I'm sure that there are MANY parents on here now that Isabelle gave them this website. And yes, I was still speaking to her at the time I first got on here, I no longer have anything to do with her.
Glad no offense was taken. When was that time if you don't mind me asking?
Because directly after, she wanted me to pull out, so I am curious why she would ask more parents in after that, knowing full well that they would eventually figure out what the hell was going on. That wasn't too smart. Maybe too many glasses of wine if you ask me. Desperation maybe. I can't speculate, and I don't want to. It's just that your post seemed a little strange to me.
As far as you still having anything to do with Isabelle, it's a free world, free speech, you can do what you want here on Fornits, or at least I am learning that.
I am also learning that I can be played for a fool, and I should know better. But when you're in the situation I have been in, and still am in, sometimes you just don't have that kind of time, and anyone offering help seems like a lifesaver, and all kinds of people come out of the woodwork claiming to be your Savior, or Saviour.
So if I offended, again, I am sorry.
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Glad no offense was taken. When was that time if you don't mind me asking?
Because directly after, she wanted me to pull out, so I am curious why she would ask more parents in after that, knowing full well that they would eventually figure out what the hell was going on. That wasn't too smart. Maybe too many glasses of wine if you ask me. Desperation maybe. I can't speculate, and I don't want to. It's just that your post seemed a little strange to me.
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I had to look back at some emails but June 26th was when Isabelle first emailed me to get on Fornits.
Too funny, Isabelle told me a couple of times that she was "allergic" to alcohol. Maybe just an alcholic in AA though, IMO.
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I have no dog in this fight. Isabelle Zehnder has always had a credibility problem, as far as I'm concerned.
I'd simply like to say that it is inspiring to see people step up to the plate, and share their experiences in the interests of TRUTH.
To be manipulated by anyone in the name of "treatment", "salvation" or "advocacy" is a terrible proposition.
Those who stand together for the TRUTH and FEAR NOT the consequences are the ones I respect and admire.
Thanks to each and every one of you. You know who you are because you know what is in your heart. You are the best hope for the children who are the true victims of this fraudulent industry.
8-)
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Thanks to each and every one of you. You know who you are because you know what is in your heart. You are the best hope for the children who are the true victims of this fraudulent industry.
I don't know if you know what's in our hearts, but I will tell you, when you have been screwed by everyone in this industry who says they are there to help you, and then they turn around and use you, abuse you, and your kids, and take your horrific circumstances to better themselves, then it's time to start doing something about it, no matter what the cost.
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And Isabelle, if you are reading this, it's time you do a "reality-check", and decide how much you really need these people. Ask yourself: "Do I consider these people my friends, or associates, or what?" Why am I doing this? What's important to me? WHO AM I HURTING? Me? Those families? The movement? How am I contributing to this? How am I not contributing? What have I done wrong? I am sure that's a long list. Wake up Isabelle, roll over, and do the right thing.
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Too funny, Isabelle always told me that she was "allergic" to alcohol
The word "always" would lead me to believe that you guys were friends, and for a long time. Maybe you should re-phrase your posts, or at the least, re-think them before you hit the "submit" button.
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And Isabelle, if you are reading this, it's time you do a "reality-check", and decide how much you really need these people. Ask yourself: "Do I consider these people my friends, or associates, or what?" Why am I doing this? What's important to me? WHO AM I HURTING? Me? Those families? The movement? How am I contributing to this? How am I not contributing? What have I done wrong? I am sure that's a long list. Wake up Isabelle, roll over, and do the right thing.
A leopard doesn't change his spots.
Anyone with integrity would not have chosen the road Izzy chose to go down. Fundamental disconnect, IMO.
As far as "doing the right thing", that isn't even an option in my mind.
There is no room in the TRUE advocacy world for people who lack integrity.
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Too funny, Isabelle always told me that she was "allergic" to alcohol
The word "always" would lead me to believe that you guys were friends, and for a long time. Maybe you should re-phrase your posts, or at the least, re-think them before you hit the "submit" button.
Point taken, thanks, and corrected.
I didn't even know of Isabelle's existence before late February, I think. I have had numerous phone calls and emails with her, as anyone that thought she was helping them would have.
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Sandy
If you want to know when your coorespondence was with Isabelle, all you have to do is go back to the myspace site and see. It's dated. Please check yourself at the door before posting things to the effect that you "apparently" don't know when this occurred. It doesn't look good. I could go back and do it for you, but why bother. I have my own shit to check.
checkmate
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Sandy
If you want to know when your coorespondence was with Isabelle, all you have to do is go back to the myspace site and see. It's dated. Please check yourself at the door before posting things to the effect that you "apparently" don't know when this occurred. It doesn't look good. I could go back and do it for you, but why bother. I have my own shit to check.
checkmate
That you Izzy? Or a board member?
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Nope, "Guest", I don't have to check Myspace. I did not meet Isabelle there. I was verbally asked to talk to her. The first written correspondence with her was March 4th.
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Sandy
If you want to know when your coorespondence was with Isabelle, all you have to do is go back to the myspace site and see. It's dated. Please check yourself at the door before posting things to the effect that you "apparently" don't know when this occurred. It doesn't look good. I could go back and do it for you, but why bother. I have my own shit to check.
checkmate
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I don't blame such skepticism because this industry is full of people who have their own agendas for doing just about anything. Advice to Sandy: It's easier to calmly explain away accusations as you are doing, rather than get into an argument... and often you can figure out who it is you're talking to by what they know (or other ways...).
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Guest poster, you suggest Isabelle Zehnder do the "right thing:"
What suggestions would you have that might be the "right thing?"
Isabelle Zehnder wrote in an email that I, Joyce Harris, was trying to "ruin her career." I honestly do not know what this woman's career really IS?
Zehnder has posted that she makes no money from her website, CAICA--so I assume that being the owner of CAICIA isn't "her career."
Zhender posts that she "gave up her legal career" to be an "ADVOCATE."
Is being an "ADVOCATE" a career?
Zehnder has posted about her company, Positive Family Solutions, which appears to be a money-making-business.
I assume this might be her "current career."
I'd like to ask Mrs. Zehnder: Just exactly how does she believe I have tried to "RUIN HER CAREER" as a family coach?
I do believe she only recently started this business, didn't she?
I certainly haven't advised anyone to not do business with her.
I don't know anyone who has ever hired a "family coach," so I know nothing about this type of business.
Mrs. Zehnder has certainly gone out of her way to assure that I could be UNEMPLOYABLE, if any prospective employer read the Whitmore blog she has written about me; and if this prospective employer believed the lies she has written about me in this Whitmore blog.
According to Zehnder and Scheff's Whitmore blogs, these two women have written that I am everything from a liar, a child abuser, to a woman of no morals. Goodness--and Isabelle Zenhnder has to base any opinions she has about me on such hearsay and gossip that her blog contains a lengthy legal "sounding" disclaimer.
I would have no idea what would be the "right thing" for Mrs. Zehnder to do. Perhaps, a starting point would be only writing the truth about people?
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I am sorry Sandy, but I have much skepticism.[quotSandy
If you want to know when your coorespondence was with Isabelle, all you have to do is go back to the myspace site and see. It's dated. Please check yourself at the door before posting things to the effect that you "apparently" don't know when this occurred. It doesn't look good. I could go back and do it for you, but why bother. I have my own shit to check.
checkmate
I don't blame such skepticism because this industry is full of people who have their own agendas for doing just about anything. Advice to Sandy: It's easier to calmly explain away accusations as you are doing, rather than get into an argument... and often you can figure out who it is you're talking to by what they know (or other ways...).
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I am not trying to start an argument Psy. Honestly. But a couple of comments have, to me, seemed a little to misleading, or, it was the way they were phrased, which is why I gave Sandy a headsup, not criticism. Hope she took it that way.
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K, well, thanks for the "headsup", so to speak. I will reread anything I post in the future but honestly, anyone can take almost any post and have problems with it.
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Guest poster, you suggest Isabelle Zehnder do the "right thing:"
What suggestions would you have that might be the "right thing?"
Joyce, it's me. I am asking her to come clean with the information she has. Her involvement in referrals, even if she asked they be kept confidentail, at least Psy could have come to her defense and said "look! She's come clean".
She could have taken the bashing for a little while, but redeemed herself by showing everyone that Sue Scheff does refer to WWASP facilities, provided proof, and given herself up too, sort of like a plea bargain, to show us that she really didn't know, or got herself so involved that she couldn't get out. But instead, she's chosen to play games, and tried to avoid being prosecuted by everyone. Well, too late for that. The eyes and ears of the world, since WWASP is now trying to recruit from other countries, are upon her, and her handlings of this.[/quote]
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There's a lot of intrigue around here...ludicrous lies & schemes of deception..
These program people are some of the biggest con artists on the planet..
Like they said back at Straight -- "you can't con a con.." :rofl:
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Like they said back at Straight -- "you can't con a con.."
Froderick that is similar to a quote that Scheff has made about WWASP and herself. She has said, in an email, "it takes a con to con a con".
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Does anyone has a copy of the email where Sue Scheff actually made that statement about herself: "It takes a con to con a con:"
Maybe, they could come forward and provide Carey Bock's attorney a copy of that email. Isn't that one of the main issues in the current hearing? That Carey Bock may have called Scheff "a con?"
If this is how Scheff may refer to herself--that should take care of that issue, right?
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Like they said back at Straight -- "you can't con a con.."
Froderick that is similar to a quote that Scheff has made about WWASP and herself. She has said, in an email, "it takes a con to con a con".
Hmm, I guess program catchphrases get around.
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Like they said back at Straight -- "you can't con a con.."
Froderick that is similar to a quote that Scheff has made about WWASP and herself. She has said, in an email, "it takes a con to con a con".
That quote comes from stepcraft (12 steppery).
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Pfft..or in straight's case, "7 steppery."
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Like they said back at Straight -- "you can't con a con.."
Froderick that is similar to a quote that Scheff has made about WWASP and herself. She has said, in an email, "it takes a con to con a con".
That quote comes from stepcraft (12 steppery).
I knew it!
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22395 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22395)
Spot on!! That's actually where all this teen "help" shit was born. People trying to combine religion and AA (like AA isn't religious enough anyway) and coming up with sick shit like Synanon (which is actually a contraction of "sin" and "anon"). Fucking Stepcraft cultists.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Which part?
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I think that makes three (3) programs. Can you count?