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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Covergaard on July 20, 2007, 06:53:45 PM

Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Covergaard on July 20, 2007, 06:53:45 PM
In the parent manual for PV the name two kind of mechanical restraint:

a) Body net. Is that the posey Restraint net (http://http://www.rehabmart.com/product/11441.htm)?
 
b) Restraint jacket. According to their description in the manual the purpose is to keep the arm tucked to the side. It does not fit the description of the normal posey jacket:
Photo (http://http://www.rehabmart.com/product/18124.htm)
but maybe the transport jacket
Photo (http://http://www.posey.com/poseystore/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=8120).

I think we need to show the parents, what they risk their children end up being restrained in.
Title: Re: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: stoodoodog on July 20, 2007, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: ""Covergaard""
In the parent manual for PV the name two kind of mechanical restraint:

a) Body net. Is that the posey Restraint net (http://http://www.rehabmart.com/product/11441.htm)?
 
b) Restraint jacket. According to their description in the manual the purpose is to keep the arm tucked to the side. It does not fit the description of the normal posey jacket:
Photo (http://http://www.rehabmart.com/product/18124.htm)
but maybe the transport jacket
Photo (http://http://www.posey.com/poseystore/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=8120).

I think we need to show the parents, what they risk their children end up being restrained in.


When my child was restrained at PV, one of the staffers held up a restraint jacket that  looks more like the first photo- the posey jacket with a red heart on it. To my knowledge they never actually used it, but with several staffers sitting on her there was no need for it. Perhaps the person who was restrained so many times at PV can give us more input.
Title: Re: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: SettleForNothingLess on July 20, 2007, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: ""Covergaard""
In the parent manual for PV the name two kind of mechanical restraint:

a) Body net. Is that the posey Restraint net (http://http://www.rehabmart.com/product/11441.htm)?
 
b) Restraint jacket. According to their description in the manual the purpose is to keep the arm tucked to the side. It does not fit the description of the normal posey jacket:
Photo (http://http://www.rehabmart.com/product/18124.htm)
but maybe the transport jacket
Photo (http://http://www.posey.com/poseystore/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=8120).

I think we need to show the parents, what they risk their children end up being restrained in.


yep they use the posey restraint.,, i remember that fucking thiing verrrrry well
Title: Thank you
Post by: Covergaard on July 21, 2007, 03:27:26 AM
The website is updated.

They use a color-code, so if you mention red, the weight of the person should be between 80-120 lbs. They do however also have an X-small, 60-90 lbs (Click on this pdf-link (http://http://www.posey.com/poseystore/files/I9236.pdf) to the manual.)

In all countries - also mine - a person in such a jacket should be monitored at all time. That explains their excuse for charging the parent extra for the use of the jacket.

The bed restraint remains. (I do know that it is not a pleasent memory.) Is it the posey net?
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: SettleForNothingLess on July 21, 2007, 06:20:41 PM
yep its that posey net... the picture is just like it... and they DO NOT supervise u
they leave u there all day sometimes into the night and completely ignore you most of the time...they come by once in a while but no not monitor u... they dont care.

but then a treatment center that would put a kid in there...im not suprised they dont care
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: SettleForNothingLess on July 21, 2007, 06:24:42 PM
also to add about the posey body net info, they also include another section for your ankles..as if the net is not enough, they add that to it also....
the net and then a separate piece for your ankles
Title: Ankles
Post by: Covergaard on July 22, 2007, 07:02:15 AM
By separate piece, do you mean  Leather cuffs? (http://http://www.posey.com/poseystore/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=2212)

I believe that that Posey developed their items for adults and because you and the other detainees were smaller than the target group, they had to prevent your legs from being able to be on the same side of the strap going down the middle between the legs, which would have enable you to sleep a little on your side and perhaps have lighten the punishment of being restrained a little.

The manual for the restraint net calls for tights straps so an adult can not bend their legs enough to get pass the strap in the middle.

The strategy seems that they use restraints to get results instead of preventing the detainees from hurting themselves. And leaving your unsupervised at any moment is very dangerous and illegal in my country (Properly also in some parts of your country where the facility is not a large employer with influence on the politicians.).

Perhaps it is even the point to degrade the detainees. We had a scandal some years ago where they restrained elderlies and kept them lying all morning (They even turned the diapers if the person had only done number 1, so they could save money on diapers).

I will not ask about diapers because I guess that they woke you too early in order to use that strategy.
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2007, 10:57:17 AM
There is a crackling in the air, and the smell of ozone, along with another source of light and heat.

There's two someones who are getting really, really pissed....
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2007, 12:45:02 PM
I was restrained with restraints a few times in psychiatric type settings, they do it for pretty much the same reasons as the program I was at , only at the program it was like the white trash home version, so they just got some fat dude to sit on your elbows behind your back until you cry uncle and say you will comply with whatever they are trying to get you to do and then just throw you in isolation for three four five days, or maybe up to a week. If you are quiet and behave the whole time you can get out after those days, if you still are not complying they just keep you in there. But back in the hospital.
The restraints were the individual leather cuffs, those huge looking all leather cuffs that go around wrist and ankles. They also had a seperate waist band. It looked like a weight lifting belt, only bigger. It was also leather. They also had a head strap, to tie your head down to the table. I was restrained on a metal table that had a small 1/2" pad and then a white sheet over that. I was restrained face down on the table and several big people held me down until they got them all tight and then lastly they tighten the head strap one so your face is being pushed down into the sheet. I struggled a little when they walked out to see if I could get loose because it was so uncomfortable but eventually I just had to give up because I couldn't move an inch. They had a video camera in the corner watching me. They would have me stay like that for an hour then let me out, if I stopped making noise or yelling or whatever they'd let me out to just live in the isolation room for 24 hours, if I started banging on the wall they would come bnack and put me in the restraints. THis was in a hospital with doctors and phones and all the rules so this was all on the up and up, or so I was told. I thought it was pretty weird why were they trying to domesticate me and trying to get me to 'break' to their will I don't think that's cool, they could of just let me out. I didnt committ any crime that particular hospital vistit I was put in for drug use and cutting... eventually historically I think these ways of dealing with adolescents and humans in general will be seen as barbaric.
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: nimdA on July 22, 2007, 12:59:40 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
eventually historically I think these ways of dealing with adolescents and humans in general will be seen as barbaric.


The fact that they aren't now gives me pause. Good post.. just goes to show the much lauded psychiatric centers aren't as safe as we believe them to be. Certainly I will bear it in mind for the future.
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2007, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
There is a crackling in the air, and the smell of ozone, along with another source of light and heat.

There's two someones who are getting really, really pissed....


Im still pissed 3 years later... no not pissed...livid
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2007, 02:22:40 PM
I also should add. Before the restraint happened to me in psych hospital setting, they gave me a choice - take this cup of liquid Thorazine, or we will give you this shot by force- I never got the shot but I drank a few cups of thorazine and that makes you jello in about 20 seconds flat. I never saw anything like that in the backwoods private program I had the pleasure of attending. They just use brute force, same effect. The end result is similar, the methods are slightly different though. The medical one might look tamer but it certainly feels just as violating IMHO. Anyways..  :cry2:
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: SettleForNothingLess on July 22, 2007, 02:32:25 PM
I could use a bottle of liquid thorazine right about now before i lose it and make my fantasies aka their worst nightmares come true....
HAHAHAHAHA

Those motherfuckers....
  :evil:
Title: In hospital environment
Post by: Covergaard on July 22, 2007, 03:31:04 PM
Texas has banned a restraint board from Humane Restraint (Funny name - must be satire). Picture (http://http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/07/04/04/kid.jpg) and Article text (http://http://www.inclusiondaily.com/archives/07/04/04/040407txmexiarest.htm).

Where PV seems to use Posey as main supplier, the description given by the poster in the hospital must have got their supplies from humane restraints. See page 31 (http://http://www.humanerestraint.com/page31.html)  where you can buy a set for all the body.

The two major players in the industri is Posey (http://http://www.posey.com/poseystore/default.aspx) and Humane Restraint (http://http://www.humanerestraint.com).

I am missing a supplier for the head strap.

BTW. I am not against restraints totally. Sometime it can be useful in a car accident so the victim does not get additional damages by moving around. You can restrain all sizes from baby to adult very easily An example (http://http://www.quickmedical.com/olympicmedical/circumstraint/papoose_boards.html).
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2007, 03:47:02 PM
Yeah, like medically-necessary restraints on severely injured people to prevent inadvertent suicide through moving the wrong thing is even in the same department as what we discuss here.

Covergaard, you're getting very close to me ripping your own perverted fantasies out of your head (yeah, he has 'em.. lots of 'em.. with just enough sanity not to try it in real life..) and brutalizing you with them.
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2007, 04:51:35 PM
Checmical restraint is done by over medicating patients and prisoners on a regular basis.
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Covergaard on July 22, 2007, 04:54:35 PM
I had a colleague who is in wheel chair due to the people not restraining him after a car accident, which damaged his spinal column.

Some of the restraint are made to help people but are used in a way the supplier did not intend. The restraint net used at PV is such a thing. It is sold in a size for adults. It was never intended to be used on a child. If they meant that, they would have sold a shorter size and made the leg cuffs unnecessary.

International there are rules about selling Leg-iron to certain countries and they are rarely seen in Europe - even in prisons.

What PV and other facilities are doing is using the restraint in a way, which is not what the supplier recommend. In my country it is illegal to leave a person in restraint without supervision for even a minute. Posey does also state in their manual, that a staff member has to be present all time.

PV state in their parent manual (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/files/PeninsulaVillage.pdf) (page 7) that they do not use restraints as punishment or lift the burden of the staff, but as you can read in this tread, they fail to mention the addional restraint of the legs in relationship with the net and they leave the area where a patient is restrained.

They lie.

Of course we even in Denmark use restraints in the three approved facilities for convicted youth. Here is one: Egely (http://http://www.egely.org/).
But everytime it is used, they have to imform the authorities.

Still there is differences between PV and the Danish facility. Here is a daily schedule:

07:45 - 08:30 Wakeup, chores, breakfast
08:30 - 09:15 Shopping in the in-house shop
09:15 - 12:00 School or repair shop (wood, repair of bicycles), some are selected to cook in the kitchen and do other kitchen chores.
12:00 - 13:00 Lunch. Taste good or bad depending of the skills of the inmates.
13:00 - 15:30 School or repair shop (wood, repair of bicycles)
15:00 - 18:00 Personal time (They can play soccer in a hall),  some are selected to cook in the kitchen and do other kitchen chores.
18:00 - 18:30 Dinner
18:30 - 22:30 Activities in dorm or at own room (during lock-downs), If they can stay in the dorm, they can choose to watch TV, play on computers, billiards
22:30           Own room, light out.

No child can enter this facility without a conviction in a court of law.

I will like to clearify that I do not like to see a child in a restraint jacket - neither in handcuffs and I do certainly not like having people locked up or banished without trial.

I know that talking about the method of restraints are very unpleasent, but we need to find every single place in their own manuals where they lie and point it out to parents and the public, so they have to leave the business.
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2007, 12:16:30 PM
The story I posted about being restrained in psych hospital before they technically were following procedure. I looked up their operating handbook online and read it. They have three stage intervention.
1. Verbal warning
2. Time out
3. Seclusion & (possible) restraint they say offer liquid in cup first

If you make too much noise int he seclusion room they tell them to then tie you up and say that's what they are supposed to do. So they follow procedure. I think the problem is that the entire paradigm that this is supposed to HELP kids is wrong. Would of been better helped by simply opening the door and letting me go. The attempted psychiatric domestication of youth is traumatic and hurtful to human beings, but they don't see it for some reason. Maybe if it happened to them one day they would never be able to order this treatment on others. This is the very dark side of society and our own domestication I think. It's like watching them break a wild animal at the zoo. And yet people don't see anything wrong with that either. Destroying spirits is not something I would be able to do so lightly, "just because that's the way things are or I was told to do it".

When you look an independent spirit in the eyes, animal or human you know what you are looking at. When you look at a broken spirit you also know immediately what you are looking at, and these places, all of them, are designed to change the eyes from independence and strength into fear and confusion, the eyes of a broken animal. That is what they attempt to do at least, although human spirit is much stronger than they ever realized probably because they alwasy seemed surrpsie people are willing to stand up to their bullshit and fight back. They don't, understand it... why would they. If they did they wouldn't be there.
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: try another castle on July 25, 2007, 11:23:11 AM
The restraint sections on both the posey site and that wicked medical supply site are now bookmarked.

Fuck amazon wish lists, I'll just direct everyone to those links for my birthday and Hanukkah.


Here is how obsessed I used to be with John Posey: I researched and wrote a paper on him, and I wasn't even in school.


ring around the rosy
a bed with six point poseys
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2007, 04:25:04 PM
i was in the bed net numerous times. It kind of resembles the picture you linked except your arms and legs were strapped down. (you could still release yourself at the arms if you really tried, but then you would just get more hours strapped to the bed) however, i will not say that i wasn't monitered in the bed net. You see, on STU it is just one big dayroom, where you sleep, eat, do group in. There is a bathroom with 3 showers and stalls and then a small "time-out" room. That is the whole unit. It is impossible to be restrained to the bed and have them ignore you because you are in the room with everyone else, staff and patients, while you are being restrained. A nurse came by every 30 minutes and checked my heart rate.

I was never in the burrito (straight jacket) but i saw it used on one girl. It looked more like the transport jacket. It did not have the straps in the back. while she was in this they allowed her to roll around in the mulch while we were doing Vocational work (this was in the cabins). While we walked they held on to her, one staff one each side.
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: milkblood on July 25, 2007, 04:26:35 PM
^^that was me, by the way
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: ZenAgent on July 25, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
When my wife asked the PV family therapist about the "burrito", she acted like she had no idea what it was, and very shocked that my wife knew.  When my step daughter was restrained, they brought out the burrito, more as a threat, apparently.  My wife said it looked like a transport jacket, too.
Title: Regarding the Posey Restraint Net
Post by: Covergaard on July 25, 2007, 04:56:55 PM
It seems that the 1996 model has 5 nylon straps there are connect at each side to the bed. Two of the straps have nylon cuffs for the upper and lower arm.

Se the Manual (http://http://www.posey.com/poseystore/files/I9202.pdf) for the net.

But the real question is the leg restraints. As you can see there is a strap going down the middle. But a teenager is shorter than the target group, so such a person can get his or her legs on the same side of the middle strap. So in order to prevent this they use additional restraints, but what? Leather cuffs?
Title: Re: Regarding the Posey Restraint Net
Post by: SettleForNothingLess on July 25, 2007, 09:37:15 PM
Quote from: ""Covergaard""
It seems that the 1996 model has 5 nylon straps there are connect at each side to the bed. Two of the straps have nylon cuffs for the upper and lower arm.

Se the Manual (http://http://www.posey.com/poseystore/files/I9202.pdf) for the net.

But the real question is the leg restraints. As you can see there is a strap going down the middle. But a teenager is shorter than the target group, so such a person can get his or her legs on the same side of the middle strap. So in order to prevent this they use additional restraints, but what? Leather cuffs?


no they werent leather... it was like this black velcro thing..
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: milkblood on July 25, 2007, 10:27:38 PM
yeah, they didn't use leather for the ankle straps. It was velcro
Title: Vecro alternative.
Post by: Covergaard on July 26, 2007, 03:00:24 AM
If the ankles cuffs were not connected but only strapped on each side to the bed frame, it could be this product.

Posey Quick-Release T-A-T Cuff (http://http://www.posey.com/poseystore/files/2790Q.pdf)

It seems that PV is very cost-conscious and such product can be washed in a machine, where leather requires special cleaning.

It raises another question: It STU is fitted out, so it is easy to overlook and they have almost no extra cost for cleaning of the restraints equipment and the staff is in place already, why charge extra for restraining a detainee, when it so clearly is a funtamental part of their therapy to provoke the detainee in such a matter that it leaves no other alternative than the use of restraints?
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: SettleForNothingLess on July 26, 2007, 03:06:08 AM
it was a single piece that strapped around the mattress...it had a strap for each leg..it was black and velcro
Title: Manufacturer of restraints (Peninsula Village etc.)
Post by: SettleForNothingLess on July 26, 2007, 03:27:24 AM
http://www.humanerestraint.com/page6.html (http://www.humanerestraint.com/page6.html)

that looks more like it... the ankle straps right here... this is what they are like the hook and loop closure ones