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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 14, 2007, 10:07:36 PM
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http://www.echomalibu.com/philosophy.php (http://www.echomalibu.com/philosophy.php)
thoughts please..
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Has the familiar reek of absolute bullshit about it.
How can they pull this off in California, though? Are they just not aware of Cali's treatment laws or what?
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Read the FaQ sounds different then a regular program and some of the treatment offered seems much different then what you would find in a program.
But still websites and reality often differ.....
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At the list of approved treatment centers in the town of Malibu, the webpage at
http://txworks.adp.ca.gov/tww.asp (http://txworks.adp.ca.gov/tww.asp)
the follow information about their location:
Address Confidential
Malibu , CA 90265
Normally I would prefer more visitation hours than only Saturday and as one of my relatives were in a public treatment program, they also had chores like making coffee and set the table for lunch and dinner unless they were in too bad shape.
But if it is true that they are picky with whom they let into the program, they can run it with success. Analysing who is getting into group therapy with who is the key to success.
In the case with my relative, they had two or two hour-long conversations with doctors and other two with socialworkers before my relative could enter the intense out-patient program after being sent home from the in-patient program.
Eventually the patient is going back to the home and often it is important that the hometown with the unemployment office (In Denmark it is located at the City hall. All - normal unemployed and people coming back from hospital is cared for by the people in the City hall.) does not waste time because it could worsen the illness if the hospital just dump the patient after treatment. So the hospital informs the city hall, so they know what they have to work with.
But a hidden address lights the alarm. Without exact address it would be impossible to get a satellite image just to verify if the location is what they claim it is.
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It sounds nice... I wish I was living there now , on my way to an AA meeting. :o :P
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Has the familiar reek of absolute bullshit about it.
How can they pull this off in California, though? Are they just not aware of Cali's treatment laws or what?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Enforcement?!??!! Hello...
Speaking from experience here... lol
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OMG.. the website makes the place look absolutely gorgeous... like a resort. They must have hired a professional photographer... And models... The doctors are all young... wow... Absolutely stunning scenery... that place must cost an absolute fortune and a half.
Ps: most programs websites look great too...
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I think these people can check themselves in and out.
Unless court ordered? Baker Act?
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9. Will I be asked to do time consuming chores while in the program?
Surprisingly, there are still many treatment programs that require participants to do chores. This is often times justified as an experience designed to “humble” participants. Chores are sometimes even used as a form of punishment. While studies conducted as early as the 1970's clearly refute the therapeutic usefulness of having youth perform such labor, many programs continue to have their participants perform chores as a cost savings measure.
At Echo Malibu our participants are not asked to spend their valuable treatment time doing chores. They are simply asked to treat the facility with respect and to make their own beds each morning. We have a full time house keeping staff to take care of all other household needs.
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18. My kid is completely out of control. Why should I consider a program like yours instead of a Boot Camp?
Often times when parents come to us they are at the end of their ropes. They are frustrated and disappointed in the path they see their child taking. It is natural in these circumstances to want a program that will grab them and force them to change. Unfortunately, there is overwhelming evidence that such an approach will not work. Boot Camps and Punitive Treatment Programs simply do not produce lasting results. If a young person has an adult standing over top of them, making every decision for them, telling them every move to make, it is not transferable to their real lives. You can't learn to make good decisions if you aren't allowed to make any decisions. Likewise, programs designed to scare young people straight have proven to be dismal failures at producing long term results. To produce lasting changes, youth and their parents must be empowered with the knowledge and skill set required to achieve and maintain sobriety. Youth must develop a healthy internal locus of control as families strive to understand the youth's individuation process and it's relationship to healthy decision making.
they know the standard bullshit..
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OMG.. the website makes the place look absolutely gorgeous... like a resort. They must have hired a professional photographer... And models... The doctors are all young... wow... Absolutely stunning scenery... that place must cost an absolute fortune and a half.
Ps: most programs websites look great too...
I noticed that too. Dr. Godwin is not bad looking.
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Ok... i had a look over... It doesn't raise too many red flags with me. It smells new-agey, and they're 12-steppers... but otherwise it doesn't seem too bad from the website. It says communication is allowed anytime by phone...
Well. it seems very cultish... and they equate getting caught with pot with "chemical dependency". (faq question 19)
i'll look over it a bit more tomorow.
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18. My kid is completely out of control. Why should I consider a program like yours instead of a Boot Camp?
Often times when parents come to us they are at the end of their ropes. They are frustrated and disappointed in the path they see their child taking. It is natural in these circumstances to want a program that will grab them and force them to change. Unfortunately, there is overwhelming evidence that such an approach will not work. Boot Camps and Punitive Treatment Programs simply do not produce lasting results. If a young person has an adult standing over top of them, making every decision for them, telling them every move to make, it is not transferable to their real lives. You can't learn to make good decisions if you aren't allowed to make any decisions. Likewise, programs designed to scare young people straight have proven to be dismal failures at producing long term results. To produce lasting changes, youth and their parents must be empowered with the knowledge and skill set required to achieve and maintain sobriety. Youth must develop a healthy internal locus of control as families strive to understand the youth's individuation process and it's relationship to healthy decision making.
they know the standard bullshit..
yup. It does sounds like the standard crock.. but it is a 30 day camp....
Personally, I would avoid 12 step based programs, and go towards something that doesn't involve "powerlessness" as the first step to sobriety. AA has a horibble sucess rate. There are secular, non-higher-power oriented programs with better results. AA is a life-sentence to meetings with wackos who chant.. and in my experience, lack adequate critical thinking skills.
Of course.. keep in mind, Program has forever tainted my view of AA. Biased. here. Highly resentful of the 12 steppers (but i can recommend a good site if you want to hear why).
http://www.orange-papers.org/ (http://www.orange-papers.org/)
Extremely well researched site.
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On the Effectiveness of 12 step programs (always good to read both sides)
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html)
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I am not suggesting this place should be recommended any more than any other place should be. However it does not *look* like it is an abusive gulag style place. it look like it is ligit
It does not have a generic catch all approach, it appears to be fairly normal about visits and communication and it looks professionally run and without a punitive philosophy. If i had a kid with a genuine clinically defined addiction problem that was bad enough that they needed short term hospitalisation I would want them to be able to go somewhere where they could get genuine compassionate medical treatment.
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So does this place get the official FORNITS stamp of approval?
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Fornits stamp of approval? :rofl: :rofl:
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If I was a program I'd pay anywhere from $5-$38 dollars to be endorsed by this forum.
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So does this place get the official FORNITS stamp of approval?
No such thing. This is a referral-free zone.
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If I was a program I'd pay anywhere from $5-$38 dollars to be endorsed by this forum.
This forum has been a great help to SIBS; I send a kickback each month.
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So does this place get the official FORNITS stamp of approval?
No such thing. This is a referral-free zone.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
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If I was a program I'd pay anywhere from $5-$38 dollars to be endorsed by this forum.
This forum has been a great help to SIBS; I send a kickback each month.
I stand corrected. SIBS is the only program I've seen Fornits endorse. Well worth every penny!!
::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
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So does this place get the official FORNITS stamp of approval?
No such thing. This is a referral-free zone.
So pro-program posts suggesting programs, and parents posting glowing reviews will be swiftly deleted? Are private messages monitored to prevent back room deals? I sure hope so.
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The only way any program on here would get a FORNITS stamp of approval would be if it was co-ed (girls and boys would have the option to shack up in the same room with one another). If it offered plenty of illegal drugs (so they could make the decision whether or not they wanted to use). Unlimited parties held at the facility. No parents allowed. Therapy being a option. Gourmet food available 24/7 especially late night when a kid could have a case of the munchies.
I'm just playing, but you'll never find Fornits giving any program the thumbs up.
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Sounds like high school. Other than the gourmet food.
IF you make this program for adults I will sign up.
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So does this place get the official FORNITS stamp of approval?
No such thing. This is a referral-free zone.
So pro-program posts suggesting programs, and parents posting glowing reviews will be swiftly deleted? Are private messages monitored to prevent back room deals? I sure hope so.
No, asshole...they are not...get a fucking life, jerk.. I hate you.
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So does this place get the official FORNITS stamp of approval?
No such thing. This is a referral-free zone.
So pro-program posts suggesting programs, and parents posting glowing reviews will be swiftly deleted? Are private messages monitored to prevent back room deals? I sure hope so.
No, asshole...they are not...get a fucking life, jerk.. I hate you.
That makes me smile.
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So does this place get the official FORNITS stamp of approval?
No such thing. This is a referral-free zone.
So pro-program posts suggesting programs, and parents posting glowing reviews will be swiftly deleted? Are private messages monitored to prevent back room deals? I sure hope so.
No, asshole...they are not...get a fucking life, jerk.. I hate you.
That makes me smile.
fUCK OFF, TROLL.
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You have a lot of anger. I forgive you anyways.
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You have a lot of anger. I forgive you anyways.
Mighty nice of you....
You're a cocksucking asshole nigger, by the way.
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Am I?
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Am I?
Yes, you are...and your mother blows diseased, skid-row bums.
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Somebody's got to.
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Mighty nice of you....
You're a cocksucking asshole nigger, by the way.
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