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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 27, 2007, 09:54:27 PM
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http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=95 (http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=436&Itemid=95)
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What other orgs. are involved in this investigation and hearings or is Cafety the only one?
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Good news! I hope the GAO is investigating the ed cons and referral agents, and their partner advocacy websites. It's about time something was done to stop this crap.
:rofl:
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Good news! I hope the GAO is investigating the ed cons and referral agents, and their partner advocacy websites. It's about time something was done to stop this crap.
:rofl:
Yeah, it's great news, probably why Izzy and Sue are foaming at the mouth, because if you take away the programs, what will bottom-feeders like those two suck money from?
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This needs to stay up, even if everyone is knocking heads with the Wizard of Iz and her manic munchkin patrol in ca-ca land...
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A minimal effort by the govt at this point would have an impact? Can hope right.
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A minimal effort by the govt at this point would have an impact? Can hope right.
The Hearings are what I'm placing bets on. You'll see.
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A minimal effort by the govt at this point would have an impact? Can hope right.
The Hearings are what I'm placing bets on. You'll see.
The smart money bets with you. Sen. George Miller will be a key figure in this, and if you've seen the Montana PBS special, you know he's been battling these programs for twenty years. The GAO is very concerned at the moment and we can expect more than minimal effort. Remember, the troubled teen industry and the Republicans have been entwined for ages. Democrats control Congress now, Sen. Miller is in charge of his committee, and Psy's right, watch and be pleasantly surprised. Expect some of us to be in D.C. during the hearing as more than observers.
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Wonder how the GAO investigators will/are reacting to reports of certain "AVOCATES" writing blogs that bash parents; even to the point of writing disgusting poems; and blogs that support closed down facility and the owners that have crimnal histories in three countries...and even bashed a highly respected advocate whose daughter died in this industry?
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Could someone explain what policing powers the GAO has and how this will help?
I'm asking out of curiousity. My own opinion is I don't think the GAO can really do much about it other than to submit some suggestions to congress.
Do bear in mind I also have no idea what the hell I'm talking about either.
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The GAO is collecting documentation to be presented to Committee members as well as gathering witnesses to testify at a hearing in September.
The GAO is the investigative arm of the United States Congress and their involvement will most certainly have an impact on this industry by stimulating interest in and passage of Congressman Miller's bill H.R. 1738.
Bear in mind, this bill is by no means complete. It will be undergoing many changes due in part to the GAO's report and the hearings.
While it's not the pancea to ending institutionalized child abuse, there is no doubt whatsoever that this industry must be subject to uniform regulations.
Ed Cons, Transport Companies and Child-Advocate-Referrers will all come under the spotlight - and rightfully so.
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This is some good news I've been desperate for for awhile now, Hopefully people who can really make a difference start actually caring enough to do so.
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BTW - this investigation is not focused on WWASPs exclusively. Far from it. The investigation is about the entire troubled teen industry and related services.
The hearing will prompt national interest and attention.
This is in NO WAY good for any orgs. or individuals who have skeletons in their closet, so to speak, because of the potential for them to be exposed in a very prominent, public venue.
That's just common sense.
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Wonder how the GAO investigators will/are reacting to reports of certain "AVOCATES" writing blogs that bash parents; even to the point of writing disgusting poems; and blogs that support closed down facility and the owners that have crimnal histories in three countries...and even bashed a highly respected advocate whose daughter died in this industry?
They've been almost unaware of the abuses in the troubled teen industry. They were made aware two weeks ago, by parents we're familiar with whose children died in programs. They were horrified, and you see how quickly they've responded. All I can say about that for now, but later we'll be able to put a date on a very key event in shutting down this bullshit industry. It'll be a date I'll celebrate every year.
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LET THE OWNAJ BEGIN.
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Thanks Guest!
Now folks at the very least it will provide us with some great documentation. I wouldn't get your hopes up for any legislation to abolish the industry. More than likely you will see an attempt to clean it up first via legislation.
That is providing any sort of legislation can be pushed through congress and signed into power by our moronic presidente. Though right about now I would think the GOP and Dictator Bush wouldn't mind some good publicity to distance themselves from the Romney scream.
This has some good promise behind it.
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Cash Test Dummy I read your blog, I think the word "mangina" is inappropriate and think you should change it.
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I expect absolutely fucking nothing to come of this and the flash in the pan was this thread in all its glory.
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A minimal effort by the govt at this point would have an impact? Can hope right.
The Hearings are what I'm placing bets on. You'll see.
The smart money bets with you. Sen. George Miller will be a key figure in this, and if you've seen the Montana PBS special, you know he's been battling these programs for twenty years. The GAO is very concerned at the moment and we can expect more than minimal effort. Remember, the troubled teen industry and the Republicans have been entwined for ages. Democrats control Congress now, Sen. Miller is in charge of his committee, and Psy's right, watch and be pleasantly surprised. Expect some of us to be in D.C. during the hearing as more than observers.
See you there.
And when are the hearing dates?
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Finally we get to meet! I am bringing a video camera so don't try any funny stuff ya hear?
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A minimal effort by the govt at this point would have an impact? Can hope right.
The Hearings are what I'm placing bets on. You'll see.
The smart money bets with you. Sen. George Miller will be a key figure in this, and if you've seen the Montana PBS special, you know he's been battling these programs for twenty years. The GAO is very concerned at the moment and we can expect more than minimal effort. Remember, the troubled teen industry and the Republicans have been entwined for ages. Democrats control Congress now, Sen. Miller is in charge of his committee, and Psy's right, watch and be pleasantly surprised. Expect some of us to be in D.C. during the hearing as more than observers.
See you there.
And when are the hearing dates?
Not definite, but the end of September. Would you want to testify, dude? I tried to PM you last night and Fornits went down or something. I don't know if you've talked with Kat or not, but the lady from A START who helped us get our girl out of PV would be interested in corresponding and seeing where it could go. No one knows the industry and the mindset of program counselors like you do, it would be invaluable testimony. I doubt anyone's going to care why you left Three Springs, and you wouldn't have to name the place if you don't want to.
Let me know, and I'll play middle-man if you want to do it and e-mail addresses can be swapped.
And everybody start e-mailing Michael Moore! This could be a follow-up to Bowling For Columbine, since this industry is cashing in on the aftermath, duping parents who are terrified of the social stigma of having a crazed teen gunman coming from their home. Kid skips school? Oh, my God, preemptive strike! Lock him up before he starts hoarding AK's and Glocks!
I know Moore is aware of the troubled teen industry, but there's never been a Congressional hearing before. It would be a great film.
Tell him: mike@michaelmoore.com
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I'm not so sure Michael Moore would be such a good idea. No matter what he says, everybody on the right will attack the film. Making a partisan issues out of this might not be the best idea. Everybody on the right, who really need to see the film, won't, because of who is behind it.
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I'm not so sure Michael Moore would be such a good idea. No matter what he says, everybody on the right will attack the film. Making a partisan issues out of this might not be the best idea. Everybody on the right, who really need to see the film, won't, because of who is behind it.
I agree; find a better platform (venue, director, w/e).
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I like the guy.
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I think he's kind of pretty, in an ugly duckling papa bear kind of way. He's a realistic break from Paris Hilton. Sometimes we need that.
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I like the guy.
Well. I like what he says much of the time, but at the same time, I know that a lot of people have a knee-jerk reaction against anything he says at all, and will take the opposite standpoint out of spite. That would be bad.
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He's ok Zen.. I mean anyone who made that 9/11 movie can't be all bad... but I don't like how he came off to Pete Townsend when he (Pete) declined to let him use their song in his movie. From what I gathered of that, he behaved like a whiny bitch who didn't get a date on prom night.. Also his shitty, condescending attitude toward his underlings is anything but appealing...
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Is that chunky bastard going to buy his own drinks?
Zen I just need a general idea when the whole thing kicks off so I can make flight reservations and book a motel room.
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He's ok Zen.. I mean anyone who made that 9/11 movie can't be all bad... but I don't like how he came off to Pete Townsend when he (Pete) declined to let him use their song in his movie. From what I gathered of that, he behaved like a whiny bitch who didn't get a date on prom night.. Also his shitty, condescending attitude toward his underlings is anything but appealing...
When he was coming to GMU there was a big stink:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Sep30.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63399-2004Sep30.html)
As I remember, after that happened, Moore said he was coming anyway to promote free speech, but later pulled out, whining about not getting paid 35k for a few minutes of his time. 35k for a speech... free speech.. ironic. He ended up breaking his word (to get some publicity)... He was portrayed by the campus newspaper as a whiny little bitch and he lost a lot of campus supporters... Well. in any case, he is a target you don't want to tie to an issue you care about.
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He's ok Zen.. I mean anyone who made that 9/11 movie can't be all bad... but I don't like how he came off to Pete Townsend when he (Pete) declined to let him use their song in his movie. From what I gathered of that, he behaved like a whiny bitch who didn't get a date on prom night.. Also his shitty, condescending attitude toward his underlings is anything but appealing...
In my opinion, the 9/11 movie didn't go nearly far enough. There needed to be an actual investigation into the events of that day (somewhat along the lines of Loose Change).
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The going rate for free speech is 35,000 dollars or 3500?
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The going rate for free speech is 35,000 dollars or 3500?
35000
eeh... colin powell gets nearly a million for a speech... so do a lot of politicians.
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Wow..... On the other hand I'm fairly impressed with Colin Powell, but Michael Moore.. meh.
I dunno know though seems like in this thing beggars can't be choosers, but I can see where you are coming from with this guy. You showing up in September?
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See. I'm kind of on the border as to whether or not this should be used as a partisan issue. On the one hand, the democrats using the issue to bludgeon the republicans (especially Romney) would bring attention to the issue, but a better strategy, at this point, would be to give the ammunition to his republican foes. Romney ain't nominated yet, and in my opinion, the sooner he can be knocked out of the race, the better. In addition, if the strategy is sucessful, and this issue does topple Romney in favor of somebody who doesn't endorse child torture we would have a potential president on "our side" (providing he sticks to his guns when in office). That would be the hard part taken care of, and with the congressional hearing, and a democratic majority... It's a clear path for reform and/or abolition.
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Wow..... On the other hand I'm fairly impressed with Colin Powell, but Michael Moore.. meh.
I dunno know though seems like in this thing beggars can't be choosers, but I can see where you are coming from with this guy. You showing up in September?
Are you fucking kidding me? Of course i'm going to be there!
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Well sweet lets get ready to par tay.
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He's ok Zen.. I mean anyone who made that 9/11 movie can't be all bad... but I don't like how he came off to Pete Townsend when he (Pete) declined to let him use their song in his movie. From what I gathered of that, he behaved like a whiny bitch who didn't get a date on prom night.. Also his shitty, condescending attitude toward his underlings is anything but appealing...
When he was coming to GMU there was a big stink:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Sep30.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63399-2004Sep30.html)
As I remember, after that happened, Moore said he was coming anyway to promote free speech, but later pulled out, whining about not getting paid 35k for a few minutes of his time. 35k for a speech... free speech.. ironic. He ended up breaking his word (to get some publicity)... He was portrayed by the campus newspaper as a whiny little bitch and he lost a lot of campus supporters... Well. in any case, he is a target you don't want to tie to an issue you care about.
If Moore's a whiny little bitch, he'll be surrounded in D.C. by sniveling programees who'll shame him with their bitching skills. I know the average punter doesn't know shit about the troubled teen industry - a year ago I thought a therapeutic boarding school was a prep school with a lot of Psychiatrists wandering the halls. Fuck me, I was quite wrong.
My reason for mentioning Moore is his films affect the masses. The ditto heads will always support whatever Moore is against without thought, but the programs could never go back into obscurity. There is an awareness spreading because of the recent deaths - too many not to get attention. I don't care if Michael Moore is a self-aggrandizing bastard or Crusader Rabbit, his films draw attention and encourage activism.
Programs can polarize members of a family, there's no way this issue won't polarize people to extremes. Look at the extremes old Love-chunks Izzy is going to trying to dodge extinction.
Whatever brings awareness of the teen industry to the masses is going to split camps.
Crash, I'll ask about a concrete set of dates. Man, all the Fornitscators could meet on the steps of the Capital and pull a number like the Pro-Life hacks in Jesus Camp, with people wandering around in straitjackets, and other people pepper-spraying tourists so they can experience the reality. We could do (simulated) demonstrations of fatal face-down restraints on volunteers for photo ops.
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We can have a pub crawl also right? I hear its a sure fire way of finding any member of congress.
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Man, all the Fornitscators could meet on the steps of the Capital and pull a number like the Pro-Life hacks in Jesus Camp, with people wandering around in straitjackets, and other people pepper-spraying tourists so they can experience the reality. We could do (simulated) demonstrations of fatal face-down restraints on volunteers for photo ops.
::T:: :rofl:
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Slainte' to the pub crawl.
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Man, all the Fornitscators could meet on the steps of the Capital and pull a number like the Pro-Life hacks in Jesus Camp, with people wandering around in straitjackets, and other people pepper-spraying tourists so they can experience the reality. We could do (simulated) demonstrations of fatal face-down restraints on volunteers for photo ops.
Survivor s acting like complete lunatics are great for photo ops aren't they?
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Yes, and have a rolling float decorated as a moonbounce, as to resemble the rubber room at MW
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I hope Aaron testifies. Staff should speak up too.
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would he even be a credible witness? He was fired.
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I believe the hearing is for Committe members who are considering the bill proposed by Miller. The Educational and Workforce Committee.
I also believe it is mostly parents of deceased children and survivors who will be testifying about their care and treatment, though its possible others will be asked.
So it's the report and testimony that will be given to the committee members.
Full on hearings before the entire Congress I have heard nothing about.
If that is in the works - it would be later down the road, I would imagine, if at all.
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Man, all the Fornitscators could meet on the steps of the Capital and pull a number like the Pro-Life hacks in Jesus Camp, with people wandering around in straitjackets, and other people pepper-spraying tourists so they can experience the reality. We could do (simulated) demonstrations of fatal face-down restraints on volunteers for photo ops.
Survivor s acting like complete lunatics are great for photo ops aren't they?
You're really trying to find a place to bite, aren't you, little dog? Oh, yeah, nimrod, I was serious about that...prick. I wouldn't touch that shit, but I'll bet you've hogtied a lot of youngsters, saving them from jail and death and all. The ones that die being restrained - well, they would have died of an overdose in jail anyway, right?
Pig.
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::nails::
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would he even be a credible witness? He was fired.
Would you even be a credible poster? You're an anon.
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I think its a fair question Zen. The committee will decide if they want to hear from me or not. Either way I will be in Washington DC for part or all of the hearing. I've asked another person involved to set up a meeting with myself and any kids from the Three Springs programs. I'd like to tell them all that I'm ready and willing to vouch for everything they have to say and give them a chance to discuss anything they would like to discuss with me.
My friend is also eager for me to show up:
Cami Wolfe: My hands hurt.
Cami Wolfe: And I have the starts of blisters.
Dan McGrath: ok I'm going to come visit in september.
Cami Wolfe: I don't have man hands!
Cami Wolfe: I have soft girly hands.
Dan McGrath: I'll paint the damn wall.
Cami Wolfe: Pff... I'll paint it myself.
Cami Wolfe: Nobody helps me anyways... like ever.
Dan McGrath: so what?
Cami Wolfe: Mmm!
Dan McGrath: you saying I can't help?
Dan McGrath: fuck that shit.
Cami Wolfe: This potatoe salad is like so fucking good.
Dan McGrath: I'm gonna fix your porch also.
Cami Wolfe: Lmao
Cami Wolfe: What's wrong with my porch?
Dan McGrath: Lols when I ram it with a rental car.. plenty will be!
Cami Wolfe: LOL
Cami Wolfe: It's a concrete porch.
Cami Wolfe: Good luck!
Dan McGrath: shit.
Dan McGrath: you win.
Cami Wolfe: Ram my car while I still have full coverage.
Cami: Maybe I can get a few thousand out of the deal.
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Why would you even have to name the facility?
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Hell if I know. I've never sat in a hearing of any sort unless you count the time I went before the judge for a driving without a seat belt. I'll be there I know that much. Might sneak over to that funny building with way to many antennas and walk around in front of it with my tin foil hat showing also.
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I'm not sure what it will be like, either. It's presentation of evidence to show the industry needs to be held accountable, then the real woodpeckers will show up - the programees and their weasel-spawned shysters, ready to start denying and attacking. That's the bunch who would want to tear your credibility apart.
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This the one thing that worries me about the GAO hearings and the events that appear to be cropping up around them. For a group of young men and women to have their dignity ripped off the like a flesh off a fat man who just fell in a lake full of pirrahna maybe we ought to go for a different approach. We should attempt to maintain the dignity of all involved at all costs. Please let us avoid any sensationalistic stunts for the sake of a quick publicity score.
That is just my take. I remember all to often the look on the face's of far to many young men finding out they were going to have to be stripped searched or something else equally humiliating. Yes this time they will be under the spotlight by choice, but lets just be mindful of their circumstances.
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The Government Accountability Office issued a report in 2006 finding that the faith-based recipients of federal grants are not sufficiently policed to ensure that they don't discriminate in their services on the basis of religion. It found that some grantees engage in overtly religious activities, such as praying, while providing government-funded social services.
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/07/01/Colum ... te_m.shtml (http://www.sptimes.com/2007/07/01/Columns/Bush_s_church_state_m.shtml)
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Lols I'm getting to excited here, but anyone know when all this starts?
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Anyone know anything?
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The investigation is on-going. No date set for hearing.
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Yeah, the tentative end of September date seems a little optimistic. Too many survivors with stacks of documentation, which is a good thing. It'll take time, though.
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Crap that might kill it for me then. I have a ticket I need to reschedule for Thailand at the end beginning of September and I need some idea of when. No way I'm missing out on the first real vacation I've been on since I've graduated University.
I wish they would hurry the hell up!
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I wish they would hurry the hell up!
Me too! For a completely different reason though..