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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: nimdA on June 23, 2007, 11:45:21 PM
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Proposal:
To foster aspiring authors a fund will be created that provides a monthly or every two months a modest cash grant. Given the finacial limitations supporting the scheme it is likely that the cash grant will roughly 100 to 200 dollars. However, to be eligible for the grant the author must provide a 2000 to 3000 word article for peer review.
The articles submitted will be the sole intellectual property of the author. In no way will the awarding of the grant imply the transfer of the intellectual property rights.
- The submission must be an original work
- The submission must be organized and coherent
- The submission must be properly proofreaded prior to being reviewed.
- The article needs to contain a specific event pertaining to a TBS or public facility. This article will include a now and then format to give the readers some idea as to the long term implications of the event in the life of the author.
At first the grant was being considered for anyone who experienced a TBS or public facility as a parent, staff or survivor. With a bit of thought it was decided to restrict that pool of avaliable applicants to survivors. However, should there be a lack of articles the applicant pool can be opened to parents, sibilings, and former staff members.
Funding for the concept will at this time come from two private donors. Later on it is hoped that the fund can either become self-sustaining or at least increased via donors.
discuss.. suggestions would be most welcome in this matter.
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I'm just wondering why the offer of money is considered necessary. I am sure a lot of survivors would write articles if they were going to be printed somewhere, free of charge. I am just wondering how you came to the conclusion, and more curious on how it's going to work before I judge it, you know..
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Also, how will you know if the author is really who they say they are, couldn't anyone put together a piece of fiction based on stories they've written at this point? Especially if money is involved, this might actually promote this kind of unscrupulous behavior that otherwise might have been avoided?
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TSW probably isn't thinking about using the money to *pay* for the article. More like a scholarship - most of these kids have little to live on and it's a good way to teach them responsibility, I think.
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It is one of 2 ideas I'm tinkering with. The other idea is a scholarship fund for program survivors, or specifically a scholarship fund for survivor's of 3 Springs.
As for the monetary aspect of the writing fund:
This isn't a bribe to encourage people to write. We have plenty of people writing already. I frankly have no intention of dictating what they do with their materials once it is submitted either.
This is away of encouraging young men and women to increase their writing abilities. It also rewards them for their efforts.
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Also, how will you know if the author is really who they say they are, couldn't anyone put together a piece of fiction based on stories they've written at this point? Especially if money is involved, this might actually promote this kind of unscrupulous behavior that otherwise might have been avoided?
You mean its actually being avoided now?
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Also, how will you know if the author is really who they say they are, couldn't anyone put together a piece of fiction based on stories they've written at this point? Especially if money is involved, this might actually promote this kind of unscrupulous behavior that otherwise might have been avoided?
If this is what they do, then may GOD bless their dire souls.
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Also, how will you know if the author is really who they say they are, couldn't anyone put together a piece of fiction based on stories they've written at this point? Especially if money is involved, this might actually promote this kind of unscrupulous behavior that otherwise might have been avoided?
You mean its actually being avoided now?
Well nobody is losing money right now as far as I know..
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Some other things that might help survivors speak out more:
Using the money to pay money into an account to hire a lawyer to defend the kids from lawsuits, that is a reason why many don't speak out.
Start a fund to pay a full-time lobbyist to go to Washington DC and go knock on doors and show them pictures and go on news shows, etc.
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It is one of 2 ideas I'm tinkering with. The other idea is a scholarship fund for program survivors, or specifically a scholarship fund for survivor's of 3 Springs.
As for the monetary aspect of the writing fund:
This isn't a bribe to encourage people to write. We have plenty of people writing already. I frankly have no intention of dictating what they do with their materials once it is submitted either.
This is away of encouraging young men and women to increase their writing abilities. It also rewards them for their efforts.
I thought if it was pay per article it might seem to people that anti-program activists are desperate for stories or something; when in fact there are thousand online if you are if you search. if someone took the time to edit all the stories, compile them and put them all on one website or in printed book that would be powerful. I am just wondering the motivation behind it is it to encourage more stories being written? I don't think a lack of financial incentive is the reason why, its because most of them are still conflicted about the experience, it takes time. Or is it because we assume program kids are poor and in need of money? Can we set up some kind of reparation system for program survivors, that would be sweet... implement a program parent tax and roll in the dough.
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No its not pay per article. Its a scholarship programme of sorts for aspiring authors or anyone who wants to improve their writing skills.
No more no less.
No one looses money either as its my money that is going to be going into the scholarship programme at first along with maybe 1 others.
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Where are you supposed to submit the articles?
Are they supposed to be factual 'balanced' news articles or testimony or stories or how should it be formatted, what is the intended audience?
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However, to be eligible for the grant the author must provide a 2000 to 3000 word article for peer review.
Peer review... not at all program like :-? .. how does that work exactly?
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Where are you supposed to submit the articles?
Are they supposed to be factual 'balanced' news articles or testimony or stories or how should it be formatted, what is the intended audience?
No as of yet. If you look at my original post it asks for suggestions. Have any?
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Well I don't know, I think fornits already provides a fairly useful forum for those wanting to get their stories out. A lot of organizing could be done to sift the good information from the bullshit and all that but it doens't have much to do with this topic. I always thought the exchange of money is starnge in thie scene because whether legitimate or not it makes people wonder about what you are all about. LOok at all the crap caca and those fuckers get for taking money right? So is it really necessary to send your own personal money to survivros to write, seems kind of weird to me to be honest. I wouldnt take your money... you know who's money I wouldn't mind spending, the program profits, but those are being spent on god knows what.. paying politicians I imagine. I am not comfortable submitting my own stories to a peer reivew or group of people, the reason is because I dont give a flying fuck what you think of it, because I know a lot of people hate what I say, some people aree, other people don't care, but to me it's real and it's not like anybody saw it happen, it's an isolated incident, so only me and and a couple other people know what happened and I choose to write about it. A lot of people don't enjoy delving intot he past and reliving these things and writing about them. I am somewhat moasochistic in that way, so much my friend said I should never ever visit this shitty website again and just forget this crap. But I enjoy it, because every time you relive it it loses it's BANG, its hurt and its impact--- now that is moving on if you ask me. So most people don't get that right?
That's why fornits is genius. Yeah I am sure that you and some people know who I am based on my predictable vocabulary and all that, great detective work watson. But people reading this three years from now have no clue, they probhably think I am some program survivor, too drunk to spell right.. obviously suffering PTSD from being locked in a cage. But it is more than that. This place is a gathering of those who have had their eyes forced wide open and shown the way our society works, and some people loved it, others hated it and some were left forever confused, a never ending futile batle with themselves over a relatively small chunk of time that can never dissapear right?
Taking a hundred dollars from some dude on the other side of the world to write about a program experience takes away from the reason why so many are compelled everyday to seek out and write about this sadistic subject. It's because they have to they don't want to, you of all people should understand that. Patronizing comes to mind, but thats just me, maybe others see it differently I don't know. I think your heart is in the right place though. But that is like some white people going down south during the civil rights riots to put some change in the cups of the begging destitute blacks after they were beaten by white cops. Sure it helps them some, but it hurts more to take it..
Some suggestions... just ask survivors questions and stop trying to control the resonse so much. Control is part of the problem, not part of the solution!
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Well I don't know, I think fornits already provides a fairly useful forum for those wanting to get their stories out. A lot of organizing could be done to sift the good information from the bullshit and all that but it doens't have much to do with this topic. I always thought the exchange of money is starnge in thie scene because whether legitimate or not it makes people wonder about what you are all about. LOok at all the crap caca and those fuckers get for taking money right? So is it really necessary to send your own personal money to survivros to write, seems kind of weird to me to be honest. I wouldnt take your money... you know who's money I wouldn't mind spending, the program profits, but those are being spent on god knows what.. paying politicians I imagine. I am not comfortable submitting my own stories to a peer reivew or group of people, the reason is because I dont give a flying fuck what you think of it, because I know a lot of people hate what I say, some people aree, other people don't care, but to me it's real and it's not like anybody saw it happen, it's an isolated incident, so only me and and a couple other people know what happened and I choose to write about it. A lot of people don't enjoy delving intot he past and reliving these things and writing about them. I am somewhat moasochistic in that way, so much my friend said I should never ever visit this shitty website again and just forget this crap. But I enjoy it, because every time you relive it it loses it's BANG, its hurt and its impact--- now that is moving on if you ask me. So most people don't get that right?
That's why fornits is genius. Yeah I am sure that you and some people know who I am based on my predictable vocabulary and all that, great detective work watson. But people reading this three years from now have no clue, they probhably think I am some program survivor, too drunk to spell right.. obviously suffering PTSD from being locked in a cage. But it is more than that. This place is a gathering of those who have had their eyes forced wide open and shown the way our society works, and some people loved it, others hated it and some were left forever confused, a never ending futile batle with themselves over a relatively small chunk of time that can never dissapear right?
Taking a hundred dollars from some dude on the other side of the world to write about a program experience takes away from the reason why so many are compelled everyday to seek out and write about this sadistic subject. It's because they have to they don't want to, you of all people should understand that. Patronizing comes to mind, but thats just me, maybe others see it differently I don't know. I think your heart is in the right place though. But that is like some white people going down south during the civil rights riots to put some change in the cups of the begging destitute blacks after they were beaten by white cops. Sure it helps them some, but it hurts more to take it..
Some suggestions... just ask survivors questions and stop trying to control the resonse so much. Control is part of the problem, not part of the solution!
All that and not one useful suggestion about my Aspiring Authors Fund?
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However, to be eligible for the grant the author must provide a 2000 to 3000 word article for peer review.
Peer review... not at all program like :-? .. how does that work exactly?
I'm not sure yet. Any suggestions?
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As long as we can call it Aspiring Authors.. I will feel right at home then.
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Ugh.. good point..
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However, to be eligible for the grant the author must provide a 2000 to 3000 word article for peer review.
Peer review... not at all program like :-? .. how does that work exactly?
I'm not sure yet. Any suggestions?
Sure, cancel peer review. What's the point? Nobody agrees in this discussion. Everyone, survivors, parents, staff have a very unique and VERY different perspective.. let them tell it that way. I just dont get the whole peer review thing. My suggestion? Don't do peer review. I mean where are these articles being published, I still don't get it.. ?
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They aren't being published. Its a scholarship programme for aspiring writers. The writer retains control over their intellectual materials. Where it is published is up to them.
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Call me stupid, laugh. After you are done, explain to me what a scholarship programme for aspiring writers is.. I still don't get it..? So you are going to go around and say hey I like this post, I want to give you a hundred dollars?
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However, to be eligible for the grant the author must provide a 2000 to 3000 word article for peer review.
Peer review... not at all program like :-? .. how does that work exactly?
I'm not sure yet. Any suggestions?
Sure, cancel peer review. What's the point? Nobody agrees in this discussion. Everyone, survivors, parents, staff have a very unique and VERY different perspective.. let them tell it that way. I just dont get the whole peer review thing. My suggestion? Don't do peer review. I mean where are these articles being published, I still don't get it.. ?
The people reviewing the articles most likely will be friends of mine who are English Professors at major Korean Universities. There is also one poster here on fornits with a Master's Degree in English I'm thinking of inviting into the project if it gathers any steam.
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Call me stupid, laugh. After you are done, explain to me what a scholarship programme for aspiring writers is.. I still don't get it..? So you are going to go around and say hey I like this post, I want to give you a hundred dollars?
no. and I've explained it already. Please reread the thread. Moving along.
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However, to be eligible for the grant the author must provide a 2000 to 3000 word article for peer review.
Peer review... not at all program like :-? .. how does that work exactly?
I'm not sure yet. Any suggestions?
Sure, cancel peer review. What's the point? Nobody agrees in this discussion. Everyone, survivors, parents, staff have a very unique and VERY different perspective.. let them tell it that way. I just dont get the whole peer review thing. My suggestion? Don't do peer review. I mean where are these articles being published, I still don't get it.. ?
The people reviewing the articles most likely will be friends of mine who are English Professors at major Korean Universities. There is also one poster here on fornits with a Master's Degree in English I'm thinking of inviting into the project if it gathers any steam.
::noway:: ::puke:: Thats just my own personal reaction though, and I don't want you to get the wrong idea maybe I am totally crazy or misunderstanding.. but who cares what some fucking professor has to say? Fuck them. If I rite lice thiss duz it mater? What fucking difference does it make the way I say that I was abused in a private program named XXXX. A poster with a master's degree, I mean that's great for them, but why would a survivor want to post in the context of being corrected for grammar and spelling when the topic is so much more important than that?
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It is for aspiring writers not finger painting.
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Let the fund givers decide who should get the fund.
As to those of you who are criticising about giving out money - it's not your money, why do you need to worry? If the providers are happy to give the money out, then I suggest you lot to just shut up and give some constructive criticism, rather than troll around.
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Let the fund givers decide who should get the fund.
As to those of you who are criticising about giving out money - it's not your money, why do you need to worry? If the providers are happy to give the money out, then I suggest you lot to just shut up and give some constructive criticism, rather than troll around.
This is a discussion forum to discuss ideas, right? He could of done it behind the scenes he asked for suggestions, I doubt he needs your help defending his idea does he? No I won't shut up, what a stupid thing to say on the internet! :rofl:
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It is for aspiring writers not finger painting.
So nobody else finds it strange besides me that a former program staff, wants to pay from their own wallet money to survivors to write stories and be critiqued by his friends? Yeah, I am sure I am not the only one who thinks this is strange. It is patronizing to a level that it makes me angry but that's just me. Put your money back in your wallet, a hundred dollars for a story that causes such pain... what a fucking insult. Especially from where it's coming from. Is this a joke?
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rather than troll around.
This topic idea is a troll designed to piss off people like me, you see through it because you might be fooled. I on the other hand do that have that luxury..
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Far from it being a troll. It is a discussion to discuss the merits of an idea that I've been considering for sometime now.
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Let the fund givers decide who should get the fund.
As to those of you who are criticising about giving out money - it's not your money, why do you need to worry? If the providers are happy to give the money out, then I suggest you lot to just shut up and give some constructive criticism, rather than troll around.
This is a discussion forum to discuss ideas, right? He could of done it behind the scenes he asked for suggestions, I doubt he needs your help defending his idea does he? No I won't shut up, what a stupid thing to say on the internet! :rofl:
That would be *have*, FYI.
He asked for ideas - most people I know would interpret that to be constructive criticism. Not about who is giving out money and whether you should be giving out money or not - I don't think that's any of our business..
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Let the fund givers decide who should get the fund.
As to those of you who are criticising about giving out money - it's not your money, why do you need to worry? If the providers are happy to give the money out, then I suggest you lot to just shut up and give some constructive criticism, rather than troll around.
This is a discussion forum to discuss ideas, right? He could of done it behind the scenes he asked for suggestions, I doubt he needs your help defending his idea does he? No I won't shut up, what a stupid thing to say on the internet! :rofl:
That would be *have*, FYI.
He asked for ideas - most people I know would interpret that to be constructive criticism. Not about who is giving out money and whether you should be giving out money or not - I don't think that's any of our business..
Unsolicited spelling advice.. wow.. I bet your great at parties.. "most people I know"... yes you don't know me, thank god for that. Why butt into this were you lonely tonight? Ill talk to you too if you want..
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See.. me and TSW had a rhythm now you messed up the beat...
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Far from it being a troll. It is a discussion to discuss the merits of an idea that I've been considering for sometime now.
I am answering 100% honestly.. raise your hand if you want me to make shit up... I know guest wishes I did.. I dont hate you I wish you posted more. I liked ideas...tjeu taste like bacon!
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Let the fund givers decide who should get the fund.
As to those of you who are criticising about giving out money - it's not your money, why do you need to worry? If the providers are happy to give the money out, then I suggest you lot to just shut up and give some constructive criticism, rather than troll around.
This is a discussion forum to discuss ideas, right? He could of done it behind the scenes he asked for suggestions, I doubt he needs your help defending his idea does he? No I won't shut up, what a stupid thing to say on the internet! :rofl:
That would be *have*, FYI.
He asked for ideas - most people I know would interpret that to be constructive criticism. Not about who is giving out money and whether you should be giving out money or not - I don't think that's any of our business..
I suppose it's only polite to respond in kind with some unsolicited advice? (while I wait for TSW to respond)
If you are going to troll program survivors, use something other than the intellectual shame. Because we have seen much darker, much sinister forms of shame that you might only dream about, so this only makes us laugh at your novice shaming abilities (this is a good thing though!) We on the other hand have learned first hand the dark tools of emotional manipulation so to play on the internet is like watching football when you yearn to play on the field, it is.. boring. So if you are going to troll survivors, watch TSW, and learn.. he's pretty damn good. But shaming us... you have no idea how laughable that is.. or maybe you do and are just looking for old kicks.. understandble.
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Doing a quick google search confirmed my suspicions. Several of the scholarships I looked at require essays. Back in my own university days when I applied for scholarships I more often than not needed to write some sort of essay.
Hand in a piece of shit essay.
no scholarship.
So to further revise and refine the idea:
This will be a Scholarship Fund for Program survivors. An essay will be required, along with attendance at a University or technical school.
I think I will stick to the same selection criterion for the aspiring writers fund with a essay of 1000 to 1500 words.
Now my question is a follows:
What sort of dollar amount is going to work better?
4 scholarships of 250 dollars or 2 scholarships of 500 or 1 scholarship of 1000 dollars?
For this year there is a limit on the amount of money I have avaliable to work with.
Also my next question:
Should it be limited to Three Springs Survivors or all program survivors both public and private?
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I think you should limit it only to Three Spring Survivors.
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I think it is an idea with merit. The problem to me is that writing is an activity that is solitary and free. Getting published is as much abotu whether the magazine/ publisher wants to take you on board as anything else. Otherwise blogs are free. Slef publishing is also reasonably inexpensive.
instead of putting money toward something as narrow and specific as a writers fund, i would put it toward a grant or fund which helps with the living expenses of say being a student. Afterall you hear of many kids whose parents disown them and have nanna foot the bill of college fees or who get the loans necessary but no parental help at all.
I would also consider giving if it were a grant to help kids just generally get set up with a rental bond and a few weeks groceies if they are victims of an exit plan. i think it is great that you are thinking about sucha think though aaron
It should be available to any program survivors
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Doing a quick google search confirmed my suspicions. Several of the scholarships I looked at require essays. Back in my own university days when I applied for scholarships I more often than not needed to write some sort of essay.
Hand in a piece of shit essay.
no scholarship.
So to further revise and refine the idea:
This will be a Scholarship Fund for Program survivors. An essay will be required, along with attendance at a University or technical school.
I think I will stick to the same selection criterion for the aspiring writers fund with a essay of 1000 to 1500 words.
Now my question is a follows:
What sort of dollar amount is going to work better?
4 scholarships of 250 dollars or 2 scholarships of 500 or 1 scholarship of 1000 dollars?
For this year there is a limit on the amount of money I have avaliable to work with.
Also my next question:
Should it be limited to Three Springs Survivors or all program survivors both public and private?
You should also make sure they have at least a 3.0 GPA. Obviously a drug test should be required. Pre-registration background check for criminal activity should be required also. You can't have just any dumb kid writing these things.
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No I believe an essay will satisfactory.
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Admit it, this idea sucks.
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I think it is an idea with merit. The problem to me is that writing is an activity that is solitary and free. Getting published is as much abotu whether the magazine/ publisher wants to take you on board as anything else. Otherwise blogs are free. Slef publishing is also reasonably inexpensive.
instead of putting money toward something as narrow and specific as a writers fund, i would put it toward a grant or fund which helps with the living expenses of say being a student. Afterall you hear of many kids whose parents disown them and have nanna foot the bill of college fees or who get the loans necessary but no parental help at all.
I would also consider giving if it were a grant to help kids just generally get set up with a rental bond and a few weeks groceies if they are victims of an exit plan. i think it is great that you are thinking about sucha think though aaron
It should be available to any program survivors
Umm I believe you will find the focus of the fund has changed somewhat in the last page or so.
No longer a grant whatever it was and now its a scholarship fund.
I like the idea of an exit plan that you are proposing, but it is just not my focus at this time. I'd be willing to donate to such a fund if someone else wanted to go ahead with it.
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I just think its creepy that an ex staff from a program wants to reach out and try to find survivors from the program you said yourself you abused kids at, and then offer them money for stories? If that happened to me I would be more than creeped out. I would seriously wonder about why the ex-staff person is doing it.. if anything you should avoid the program you worked at if for no other reason than to avoid further trauma to the kids you might have abused (from their perspective especially). I find this whole idea very creepy to say the least. I mean no offense but your hands have "program blood" on them, for a survivor to accept money from you, well at least, it would really make me second guess myself and so I wouldn't do it purely on those grounds. I don't take money from hands that so wholly and physically represent this corrupt and painful industry. This is all just too weird... I think it's a bad idea, for survivors, because look where the money is coming from. I hate to make the sue scheff comparison, but damn its close, accept person reasons aren't profit they are guilt... come on and bash me tsw club, but I know he can take it. this is what I see...
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I just think its creepy that an ex staff from a program wants to reach out and try to find survivors from the program you said yourself you abused kids at, and then offer them money for stories? If that happened to me I would be more than creeped out. I would seriously wonder about why the ex-staff person is doing it.. if anything you should avoid the program you worked at if for no other reason than to avoid further trauma to the kids you might have abused (from their perspective especially). I find this whole idea very creepy to say the least. I mean no offense but your hands have "program blood" on them, for a survivor to accept money from you, well at least, it would really make me second guess myself and so I wouldn't do it purely on those grounds. I don't take money from hands that so wholly and physically represent this corrupt and painful industry. This is all just too weird... I think it's a bad idea, for survivors, because look where the money is coming from. I hate to make the sue scheff comparison, but damn its close, accept person reasons aren't profit they are guilt... come on and bash me tsw club, but I know he can take it. this is what I see...
This post screams program staff mentality all over it. Where were you staff or junior staff at?
TSW:
Here is some long overdue constructive criticism. I like your original idea better than the scholarship. But I think rather than just having it be survivor stories why don't you do it for any sort of writing?
If your intention is to foster and encourage writers then this purpose would be served.
think on it. I know I'd participate if you set it up like this.
One thing I really do like is your insistence on quality. My program was all to focused "character" education. Its refreshing to see someone willing to go out on a limb to encourage survivors, but even more so to encourage the to live up to higher measure. I wouldn't accept some poorly written post if I was in your shoes. It defeats the entire purpose of offering grants for people to improve their writing.
Just don't go all staffie on us and keep raising the mark. Try to keep it as consistent as possible.
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thanks for the ideas, but after a bit of thought i've decided just to make a donation to the red cross. I lost desire real desire for the project by about the 3rd or 4th page of this thread.
suffices to say you are all safe from what ever convoluted little conspiracy theories you've managed to cook up.
So with that said, sorry, but no monies for scholarships or writing grants from me.
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Where were you staff or junior staff at?
Nowhere.. how about you?
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My program was all to focused "character" education. Its refreshing to see someone willing to go out on a limb to encourage survivors, but even more so to encourage the to live up to higher measure. I wouldn't accept some poorly written post if I was in your shoes. It defeats the entire purpose of offering grants for people to improve their writing.
Just don't go all staffie on us and keep raising the mark. Try to keep it as consistent as possible.
TSW, survivors don't call the programs they live through "My program" so if you are going to pretend to be one of us thanking yourself for your own idea, at least don't use terms like that... "my program"... I don't know anyone wanting to take ownership of an abusive program other than the "happy graduates".
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I lost desire real desire for the project
TSW~
I thought this 'project' was for aspiring writers. I thought that you were doing this to offer scholarship. I thought that this was about survivors being encouraged to write about their stories.
Seems that you didn't receive the constructive criticism very well.
Seems that this whole idea was about you and your ego. Or perhaps some (justified) sense of guilt for being a staff member in an abusive program.
I have to agree with the poster who said this offer feels like blood money. It would sort of be like Hitler offering money to Jews to tell their stories to the German press. Defiantly conflicted interest.
Weird.
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TSW don't back away from this idea... run away...
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Proposal:
... suggestions would be most welcome in this matter.
Give it to Ginger.
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thanks for the ideas, but after a bit of thought i've decided just to make a donation to the red cross. I lost desire real desire for the project by about the 3rd or 4th page of this thread.
suffices to say you are all safe from what ever convoluted little conspiracy theories you've managed to cook up.
So with that said, sorry, but no monies for scholarships or writing grants from me.
Up until that point in the thread, I was the only one who criticized your idea, so why are you going to stop it just based on my opinion, I am only one person? It's like you are taking your ball and going home when the game is just getting started...
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Proposal:
... suggestions would be most welcome in this matter.
Give it to Ginger.
Decent enough Idea. I will send all my jewgold to Ginger. Yes all the jewgold ripped from the mouths and hands of those cheeky little rotters sent to my concentration camp/wilderness camp.
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thanks for the ideas, but after a bit of thought i've decided just to make a donation to the red cross. I lost desire real desire for the project by about the 3rd or 4th page of this thread.
suffices to say you are all safe from what ever convoluted little conspiracy theories you've managed to cook up.
So with that said, sorry, but no monies for scholarships or writing grants from me.
Up until that point in the thread, I was the only one who criticized your idea, so why are you going to stop it just based on my opinion, I am only one person? It's like you are taking your ball and going home when the game is just getting started...
Actually its like me taking my jewgold and taking it somewhere else. Don't worry my jewgold will go to helping others. I've made some sort of annual donation to charity for the past 10 years. This year I had hoped to use it in some manner in this specific arena of interest.
The idea itself has merit and should someone be willing to go ahead with it I believe I might be interested in making a donation to it. However, at this time I won't be bothered to invest any of my own effort into it.
Don't be at all deterred yourself if you feel the need to "run" with it. Like I said I might be willing to donate some jewgold to your cause. Next month I should be able to send 25 to 30 dollars.
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:rofl:
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Meine Sturmpolizisten werden Ihr Pferd für ganzes Ihr Jude-Gold vergewaltigen!
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THE HOLOCAUST WAS A HOAX LOLZ
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Write up a good report on why the lolocaust was a hoax and I'll send you some of my jewgoldz to ease my guilt!
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What if I paid you $1000 to make a video testimonial about all the things wrong at Three Springs Concentration Camp, would you consider it?
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Sure cash up front and not in dollars I want Jewgold!
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I'll send a cashier check to Ginger to hold, as a safe third party, and she can send it to you when the video is posted on Google video. An honest mea culpa, and true statement about what went on and why these programs are so bad. Something like 15-20 minutes long should be enough? I would pay a grand for this, and I would start a fund to pay any ex-staff to come forward and confirm our survivor stories because there are very few that do so. I'm willing to pay if that's what it takes. What do you think of this idea.
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You will need a contract written in jewblood on the skin of a jewbaby, and I specifically stated in jewgold not cashier's check.
Maybe you can start a fund for survivors to share their experiences since you appear to lack the proper jewish components to complete our deal.
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There's plenty of survivors posting all the time new testimony of abuse, so I don't see the need for financial inventive... on the other hand very few former program staff post their testimony, it would seem that area is more in need of incentives...?
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Don't know about that deal I'm just here to increase my stash of jewgold. Go to the other thread and suggest me some more better ideas on making more jewgold.
I'm off I have to lock the rest of the topics on my Q/A forum.
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Well at least you un-locked your forum... if we were all so lucky to have our own forums right... control is part of the problem definitely not of the solution...
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There is only one solution and its my final one.
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Shit man! I'm really touched. So good to be missed!
Here's my suggestion. Maybe somebody will do this and beat me to it.
Check out Shattered Lives:
http://www.hr95.org/Shattered.htm (http://www.hr95.org/Shattered.htm)
Take this concept and leave out the not-for-profit aspect, instead give each author, artist and photog who contributes and signs a release some share of the profit from the book. This way, the story gets out a little more in another context and form and to a different audience, ppl who make it happen get their fair share of the proceeds and everybody's happy.
Think Libertarian! Money is not evil, it's a form of expression among other things. Stealing it or taking it by force or fraud is evil and seems to be so common anymore that it might seem asif the money itself is the evil element. But it's not.
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Shit man! I'm really touched. So good to be missed!
Here's my suggestion. Maybe somebody will do this and beat me to it.
Check out Shattered Lives:
http://www.hr95.org/Shattered.htm (http://www.hr95.org/Shattered.htm)
Take this concept and leave out the not-for-profit aspect, instead give each author, artist and photog who contributes and signs a release some share of the profit from the book. This way, the story gets out a little more in another context and form and to a different audience, ppl who make it happen get their fair share of the proceeds and everybody's happy.
Think Libertarian! Money is not evil, it's a form of expression among other things. Stealing it or taking it by force or fraud is evil and seems to be so common anymore that it might seem asif the money itself is the evil element. But it's not.
Actually this idea is brilliant.
Next time check your own damn forum more woman. I could have used this suggestion around page 2.
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Couldn't this work for all parties? A section for survivors, and a section for program staff? Allow both "sides" to write thier stories; and readers would have both views? Of course this would require two prizes.
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Doesn't that pretty much describe fornits?
(you must not know about the fornits prize)