I find myself having pity on you people for... Not having enough of a life that something that happened (with mathamatical probability) 20 years, or so, ago still consumes your daily routine.
Quote from: ""Lexa6805""I find myself having pity on you people for... Not having enough of a life that something that happened (with mathamatical probability) 20 years, or so, ago still consumes your daily routine.
Do bring your popcorn, dear. And do stay awhile. Perhaps, in time, you may grow up enough to realize that some people have actually gone through some significant trauma, and have not healed from it yet.
Just what do you wish to accomplish with your cavalier and superior attitude? Establish that you are not as fucked up as everyone else? Does anyone have a medal we can award this superior being?
Life is hard enough in the day to day, let alone carrying around emotional baggage from long ago. Why would you want to ridicule people like that? It's like throwing stones at someone in a wheelchair!
Try having a bit more of a heart, you might actually find the defrosting somewhat life-affirming!
::peace::
Ursus you are a pussy, plain and simple. I wish they had put me in the ring with you, so I could beat a life into you.
There are two types of Ex-Elanified Fucks, those who learned something good and those who always sucked even prior to being placed in Elan. Now which category do you think that I think you fall in. You need to "heal" grow the fuck up, nothing that happened in that place was "that" bad.
Quote from: ""Toetag Inc.""Ursus you are a pussy, plain and simple. I wish they had put me in the ring with you, so I could beat a life into you.
There are two types of Ex-Elanified Fucks, those who learned something good and those who always sucked even prior to being placed in Elan. Now which category do you think that I think you fall in. You need to "heal" grow the fuck up, nothing that happened in that place was "that" bad.
Oh, I'm sure you'd put me into whatever category you consider the most derogatory, Tag. And I'm sure I need to "grow up," "heal," whatever...
As to what happened to me, and where, you haven't a fucking clue, nor do you have a fucking right to judge anyone else as far as that is concerned, nor anyone else judge you, for that matter...
People have their own damages, that's all I am saying, and you are not helping matters by sitting in high moral judgment on something you know but little about. We might know, and we can learn, about day to day particulars but, last time I checked, nobody has--as of yet--acquired the ability to reside in someone else's head or heart.
I have no beef with you, Tag, but, if you don't mind my saying, and I mean this with utmost and gentle respect, it really does sound as though Elan has stunted your ability to empathize...
Quote from: ""Toetag Inc.""I was in Elan from Late 92 to early 94. I cannot wait to hear this.
I was in Elan 81-82 who are you to say what I saw?
Ok, I'll bite. What Ursus was your "significant trauma" that you suffered while in Elan. I was in Elan from Late 92 to early 94. I cannot wait to hear this.
Quote from: ""Toetag Inc.""Ok, I'll bite. What Ursus was your "significant trauma" that you suffered while in Elan. I was in Elan from Late 92 to early 94. I cannot wait to hear this.
Hey, Tag, not Elan. Your neighbor on the coast, early/mid 70s, when these places really ripped your innards out. So much so, that, fat chance I'll ever tell my story with my avatar attached to it, LOL!
In my day, we heard all sorts of things about Elan, and I think there were even a couple of kids that did time at both Hyde and Elan. Hyde has since cleaned up its act somewhat, but it is still all about thought reform to modify behavior, or the other way around: behavior modification to achieve thought reform! Either way, its one coercive trip and a half! Yuk!
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Ursus,
Congratulations!! You just proved you should take your own advice and shut the fuck up on shit you know nothing about. How dare you sit in this forum and talk shit to people who actally were in "Elan". I dont remember registering for the "Hyde" protion of this site. Go take a Xanax, have a drink, dwell in the pathetic portions of your life.. You fucked yourself on this one dear! You should have just sat back and watched the words go by, but for some reason you feel compelled to speak for the masses. Fucking Loser!
I think Ursus is female.
I have seen Artman's picture on Plenty of fish and think he hasn't a leg to stand on just for that mugshot.
I also think Elanified Fucks from the 80's are damaged goods ( not entirely their own fault), as it seems Elan was very different back then.
You can all now stop, and sleep well tonight knowing that Elan has definately changed rather significantly for the good, perhaps because of this forum and perhaps not.
I think Ursus is female.
I also think Elanified Fucks from the 80's are damaged goods ( not entirely their own fault), as it seems Elan was very different back then.
You can all now stop, and sleep well tonight knowing that Elan has definately changed rather significantly for the good, perhaps because of this forum and perhaps not.
...Tag, you and I should chat sometime..You sound like you have your head on straight!
HMmmm... I have to say, with all due respect, that the obsession with attempting to disparage people using allusions to their sexuality and/or gender appears to be quite distinctive to this forum. It would seem, perhaps, that it is only a few personalities on this forum.Quote from: ""Lexa6805""...Tag, you and I should chat sometime..You sound like you have your head on straight!
Lexa, given that you and Tag both have each other as your very first friends in your respective MySpace profiles, I imagine you two already chat a great deal. Does make one wonder just how to adjudge whatever else you have to say... With all due respect, of course!
Quote from: ""Lexa6805""Quote from: ""Toetag Inc.""
I think Ursus is female.
I also think Elanified Fucks from the 80's are damaged goods ( not entirely their own fault), as it seems Elan was very different back then.
You can all now stop, and sleep well tonight knowing that Elan has definately changed rather significantly for the good, perhaps because of this forum and perhaps not.
I have to say I agree to Ursus being a female.LOL
Tag, you and I should chat sometime..You sound like you have your head on straight!
I guess I am an Elanified Fuck from the 80's
Back then I would have told you to "Leave my friend Ursus alone of I will attack you Physically!!"
For now I will just say if you want to insult People on this Forum use the Private Messages.
Nobody wants to hear anybodys half-baked opinion.
Now you can stop playing G-d and come back down to earth.
If anyone on here was that serious about closing Elan down they would have just drove up there and simply burned the place to the ground themselves. As it stands no one has the balls to do it as of yet, so we continue to bicker amongst ourselves, in my opinion the cause is already lost. Although as previously stated, this very forum my be one of the contributing factors to Elan's fundamental changes in concept. As Lexa has stated we both speak to current Elan staff and the place is very different these days. I am very sorry for those of you who got put there in the 80's, what can be done to help you?
HMmmm... I have to say, with all due respect, that the obsession with attempting to disparage people using allusions to their sexuality and/or gender appears to be quite distinctive to this forum. It would seem, perhaps, that it is only a few personalities on this forum.Quote from: ""Lexa6805""...Tag, you and I should chat sometime..You sound like you have your head on straight!
Lexa, given that you and Tag both have each other as your very first friends in your respective MySpace profiles, I imagine you two already chat a great deal. Does make one wonder just how to adjudge whatever else you have to say... With all due respect, of course!
As far as Hyde goes, I have never been there and no nothing about it. Thats why I'm not posting in the "hyde" forum. I was at Elan thats why I choose to talk about Elan, not some place else.
I guess I am an Elanified Fuck from the 80'sThanks for your vote, Eliscu2. And yeah, folks, please feel free to PM me; you can eviscerate me much more thoroughly that way!
Back then I would have told you to "Leave my friend Ursus alone of I will attack you Physically!!"
For now I will just say if you want to insult People on this Forum use the Private Messages.
Nobody wants to hear anybodys half-baked opinion.
Now you can stop playing G-d and come back down to earth.
If anyone on here was that serious about closing Elan down they would have just drove up there and simply burned the place to the ground themselves. As it stands no one has the balls to do it as of yet, so we continue to bicker amongst ourselves, in my opinion the cause is already lost.Interesting that you should mention that, Tag. Two kids tried to burn Hyde down during the summer of 1975. Part of my time, yes, although I was not present during the particular moment of incineration. The two blokes got sent away somewhere else after that, not exactly sure where, probably some serious lockdown. But the act did not succeed in closing the place.
As far as Hyde goes, I have never been there and no nothing about it.
Quote from: ""Eliscu2""I guess I am an Elanified Fuck from the 80'sThanks for your vote, Eliscu2. And yeah, folks, please feel free to PM me; you can eviscerate me much more thoroughly that way!
Back then I would have told you to "Leave my friend Ursus alone of I will attack you Physically!!"
For now I will just say if you want to insult People on this Forum use the Private Messages.
Nobody wants to hear anybodys half-baked opinion.
Now you can stop playing G-d and come back down to earth.Quote from: ""Toetag Inc.""If anyone on here was that serious about closing Elan down they would have just drove up there and simply burned the place to the ground themselves. As it stands no one has the balls to do it as of yet, so we continue to bicker amongst ourselves, in my opinion the cause is already lost.Interesting that you should mention that, Tag. Two kids tried to burn Hyde down during the summer of 1975. Part of my time, yes, although I was not present during the particular moment of incineration. The two blokes got sent away somewhere else after that, not exactly sure where, probably some serious lockdown. But the act did not succeed in closing the place.
And Hidden Lake Academy just had a mysterious fire about a month ago. And that doesn't seem to have worked, either, although it is rather unclear as to who exactly set that fire. You'd be amazed at the insurance specifics these places have!Quote from: ""Toetag Inc.""As far as Hyde goes, I have never been there and no nothing about it.That hasn't stopped others. No need to be shy! :D
Seriously, Tag, you should try perusing other Fora around here some more. Once you get past the idiomatic cliche's that all these places use to personalize their particular shitpit, er... institution, it's amazing how similar certain themes are. I suspect you and I might disagree with regard to certain elements of the current Elan, and that's okay too. I respect your opinion.
Okay, so tell me this: how do you think the administration of the current Elan should deal with the psychological carnage it wrought back in its early days? Should Elan be morally absolved from its past, or should it be held accountable? Does the current Elan even acknowledge the shit that went down?
I feel that the issues of Elan's past have been resolved by the new, more acceptable path that the program of today seems to be following. "Psychological carnage", thats pretty rediculous, its seems to me it went two ways: one, you were an ass, and consequently treated as such, two you did the right thing and were rewarded.
Phil died due to a pre-exisiting medical condition. I was in the ring myself on the good side and believe me it is very hard to inflict damage with rediculously over-sized boxing gloves and head gear.
I highly doubt anyone was made to "live in a dumpster, shackled to it". If they were, good maybe they deserved it. I saw some pretty shitty kids in Elan in my brief 18 months there.
As far as the psychological mind fuck by staff, I just ignored it as I think anyone with half of a brain in there, when I was, did themselves.
Perhaps to the spoiled brat used to all the finer things in life , Elan was a huge wake up call. But, for others like me who had been in much worse, Elan was a welcome change for the better. Now they have a nationally ranked track and field team. This statement alone should convince you just how different it is now.
Most of the shitty staff who worked there, after they graduated as students, are so old now their time left is limited.
There current student population is now almost twice what it was when I was there, that alone speaks volumes. Even with this website and others like it, parents are sending their shitty little offspring there in record numbers.
In my most humble opinion, when the whole latch key kid era started, it was the begining of the end. Without proper parental care and involvement, we can expect to see a lot more children ending up in Elan. I say this as a former latch key kid and a now soon to be parent. :roll:
And no Ursus not enough smiles. :lol:
Felice I will personally drive to WI tonight just to watch you attack me physically. Be nice, you are far to sexy to be that angry.
...you are half in the box already. Are you going to pursue these fruitless ventures well into your retirement?Wait 'till you see how fast the time goes once you hit your mid-30s. Two blicks, and you'll be standing in my shoes! Ha!
I feel that the issues of Elan's past have been resolved by the new, more acceptable path that the program of today seems to be following.Oh... the "kinder, gentler formula of thought reform?" Thought reform is a funny thing, Tag, some people do seem to tolerate it better than others. And yet, to some pure souls, it is a real anathema. It also would appear to be at odds with certain elements of our constitution, but I'm probably overreaching myself for the moment on that one.
"Psychological carnage", thats pretty rediculous, its seems to me it went two ways: one, you were an ass, and consequently treated as such, two you did the right thing and were rewarded.And just who made that judgment call as to what was "the right thing?" From what I've read here it seems that there were an awful lot of people who were treated like asses for the simple crime of not being compliant with expectations. And what exactly was the "reward" for falling in line?
Phil died due to a pre-exisiting medical condition. I was in the ring myself on the good side and believe me it is very hard to inflict damage with rediculously over-sized boxing gloves and head gear.Can't pass judgment on the initial part of the scenario. Brain aneurysms sometimes burst for seemingly inexplicable reasons, although any kind of "boxing" would fall into a suspiciously grey area of potential cause. Nonetheless, where Elan was unquestionably negligent in was their failure to seek appropriate medical attention in the aftermath. That might well have saved Phil's life.
As far as the psychological mind fuck by staff, I just ignored it as I think anyone with half of a brain in there, when I was, did themselves.There are more student profiles than just spoiled brats and savvy seen-it-alls. I'm glad you were able to put the psychological mind fuck in its proper perspective and to work the system to your advantage, but not everyone has such good survival instincts such as yourself. Some kids enter such a hornet's nest completely unprepared and ill-versed in the means of manipulating the psycho mumbo-jumbo in a manner where they might come out on top, let alone side-step being creamed. What happened to them? Not as simple as whether they had half a brain or not. Their life experience simply did not prepare them for this.
Perhaps to the spoiled brat used to all the finer things in life , Elan was a huge wake up call. But, for others like me who had been in much worse, Elan was a welcome change for the better. Now they have a nationally ranked track and field team. This statement alone should convince you just how different it is now.
There current student population is now almost twice what it was when I was there, that alone speaks volumes. Even with this website and others like it, parents are sending their shitty little offspring there in record numbers.Do you think this is due to the "changed" Elan, or perhaps due to other changes in the "Troubled Teen Industry" at large? Enrollment in Industry Institutions has increased vastly in excess of two-fold in the past twenty years. I'd say it was closer to ten-fold, and might even be more than that.
In my most humble opinion, when the whole latch key kid era started, it was the begining of the end. Without proper parental care and involvement, we can expect to see a lot more children ending up in Elan. I say this as a former latch key kid and a now soon to be parent. :roll:
Elan was shit OK in the 70's 80's my heart goes out to anyone doing time in those years, but truth is noone cares never have and never will all our stories fall on depth ears. And what stories we have.
Elan misfit early 70's
Quote from: ""Toetag Inc.""...you are half in the box already. Are you going to pursue these fruitless ventures well into your retirement?Wait 'till you see how fast the time goes once you hit your mid-30s. Two blicks, and you'll be standing in my shoes! Ha!Quote from: ""Toetag Inc."""Psychological carnage", thats pretty rediculous, its seems to me it went two ways: one, you were an ass, and consequently treated as such, two you did the right thing and were rewarded.
And just who made that judgment call as to what was "the right thing?" From what I've read here it seems that there were an awful lot of people who were treated like asses for the simple crime of not being compliant with expectations. And what exactly was the "reward" for falling in line?