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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: PostGradParent on June 07, 2007, 05:12:24 PM
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Our student told us Dan Mansfield's family (I realize he's gone, now) came to campus for lunch every day and dined in the lodge. Why did we (parents) have to pay for his family to eat there? Is that a benfit all staff members enjoy- their families eat free of charge on campus? ::noway::
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Compensation for back wages owed??? Can't imagine why anyone would 'want' to eat the food served there.
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Compensation for back wages owed??? Can't imagine why anyone would 'want' to eat the food served there.
Maybe they are poor. Maybe they were painting Lens mothers house.
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Welcome to the world of HLA - where nothing makes sense....
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I can confirm that his family did eat lunch there virtually every day and sometimes ate dinner there too...all on the parents dime.
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Every time we visited campus, Dan, his wife and little baby were in the lodge eating with everybody else.
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Anybody ever think that this was because HLA doesn't pay a "living wage"? Maybe he couldn't afford food on the shit salary he was getting.
Just one more way for Len to shift his employees' expenses onto the parents...
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According to Susie the Bullfrog, she used to eat on campus as well. She claims she would often bring her kids up to the lodge and help herself to food other people paid for. So how about it Susie? What are your thoughts on such a situation?
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It is one of the perks that HLA affords to its employees. Staff bring there families to eat and at the same time interact with the HLA kids. My kids enjoyed eating on campus and getting to know the HLA students. In turn, the HLA kids enjoyed playing with my children.
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Sorry, but I didn't agree to pay for HLA's employees' families "perks" when we were paying $6K per month. That's bullshit.
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It is one of the perks that HLA affords to its employees. Staff bring there families to eat and at the same time interact with the HLA kids. My kids enjoyed eating on campus and getting to know the HLA students. In turn, the HLA kids enjoyed playing with my children.
Perks? I don't recall any perks being thrown our way and it was our families paying for it. I can understand the staff being able to eat their for free, after all they work there and they certainlly have to eat. Allowing the wife kids and dog to swing by and enjoy the perks is just bs.
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You come have come and mingled with the kids with your family at dinner time without us parents paying for all your meals. I know the kids loved playing with Chloe Mansfield, and she was precious, but we did not need to be paying for employees families dinners.
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is this all you have to talk about? i would think that there are more important things to discuss. i think that who posted this must be so bored that all they could think of is a way to twist things around. get a life!
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Is this all? Of course not puppet, or did you miss the numerous other threads discussing numerous other topics. Pay closer attention next time lap dog. Since youre here though why dont you take a moment and justify this particular practice for us? If you can.
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It doesn't need justifying. HLA does not have to run every policy by the parents. The parents are not share holders, they are customers. If HLA wants to allow families to eat on campus that is their business. On the occasions that I ran into HLA parents in the dining hall and had my family there, the parents thought it was wonderful that my family was there. That is one of the interesting things about working in a place like HLA. What some families see as a great thing, other families see as a bad thing. I guess it depends on your perspective and outlook.
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Regarding HLA, I think parents perspective and outlooks were formed by how they were treated by HLA along with their children. I have said before that I believe the parents that have a good outlook and perspective of HLA were the ones with fairly compliant children whose parents just nodded yes to every piece of information and recommendation they were given by HLA. Some of us really wanted to believe in HLA and have a positive outlook, but were jerked around by the HLA administration and promised so many things that never happened. It is hard to have a positive outlook when you are paying out that kind of money and at the same time being treated like crap by HLA. Bad treatment and bad experience by HLA equals bad outlook and perspective.
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It doesn't need justifying. HLA does not have to run every policy by the parents. The parents are not share holders, they are customers. If HLA wants to allow families to eat on campus that is their business. On the occasions that I ran into HLA parents in the dining hall and had my family there, the parents thought it was wonderful that my family was there. That is one of the interesting things about working in a place like HLA. What some families see as a great thing, other families see as a bad thing. I guess it depends on your perspective and outlook.
Parents very very seldom ever ate in the lodge. Youre painting a picture that would suggest that not only does this occur often, but when it does parents are always okay with it. Nothing could be further from the truth. As to not needing justifying, so it's your argument that even though the parents are the ones who are paying for the food to be placed on the table, they have no say so in how things are done? Gee, with such solid business practices its a wonder you guys are having so many problems over there. This of course the same mentality we saw with the strip searching policy. HLA staff never actively disclosed that little factoid to parents because apparently paying six grand a month doesnt garruntee being told what it is your paying for.
So again lap dog, justify this policy for me.
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All I can say is that in MY experience I never had a parent express anything but pleasure over the fact that me or my family were on campus eating, or doing anything else, that was interacting with the students. You are right that it was rare that parents ate in the dining hall, but there were often parents coming through there on tours while we ate. The admission people would often point out that families come on campus to eat with the student body as a selling point to the parents. I am actually surprised that folks on this site are not saying that HLA allowed it to happen in order to manipulate families into thinking it was a family atmosphere.
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So, was it a manipulation?
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Screw the eating in the Lodge thing. Are you trying to say that HLA administration members that lead those "parent workshop brainwashing sessions" and not master manipulators? Please do no insult our intelligence here. They tell you that your child will regress if you pull them out of HLA early to try and manipulate parents into keeping their children there. Parents believe what they want to believe based on their level of denial and fear. HLA talks about the "Harder Truth". Any parent with any analytical skills can see straight through that Con job and see the real Harder truth. People with psychology backgrounds should know that you will not get a positive outcome with a student by keeping them in such a negative and very unhealthy environment all the time.
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Screw the eating in the Lodge thing. Are you trying to say that HLA administration members that lead those "parent workshop brainwashing sessions" and not master manipulators? Please do no insult our intelligence here. They tell you that your child will regress if you pull them out of HLA early to try and manipulate parents into keeping their children there. Parents believe what they want to believe based on their level of denial and fear. HLA talks about the "Harder Truth". Any parent with any analytical skills can see straight through that Con job and see the real Harder truth. People with psychology backgrounds should know that you will not get a positive outcome with a student by keeping them in such a negative and very unhealthy environment all the time.
The workshops are carefully scripted to project the message that Len Wants to get out there, which is STAY STAY STAY. Jeff worked very hard to twist the workshops and make them consistantly tug on the heartstrings of the parents. Any diverson from the script was handled very harshly from either a staff or a parent.
Cates routninely was crucified by Len for deviating.
Cates was not allowed to make any decisions, we remember the time he tried to solve a problem around a student leaving the program and granting grades. Len wanted to fire him on the spot but did not trust that JEFF could handle the role.
as far as for staff eating , it was proposed several times to charge staff, especially after the retreat brainstorming sessions. HE always said no but then would run up personal catering charges with SAGE of tens of thousands of dollars. Those private christmas parties in Atlanta catered by SAGE were very expensive, especially for the GAY PARTY!!.
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I agree about the whole Parent Workshop Voodoo Sessions. They truly played on parents' fears and vunerabilities.
On another note - how many other parents had to send down basic school supplies to their child because HLA didn't provide pens, pencils, hi-liters, etc? Couldn't you cough up a lousy #2 leaded pencil for $6K a month?
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Amen to that. I had to buy school supplies over and over. My kid did not even have her own textbook in some classes. They had to borrow a textbook to do some work. For that price, every child should have their own supplies and textbook for every class.
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It is one of the perks that HLA affords to its employees. Staff bring there families to eat and at the same time interact with the HLA kids. My kids enjoyed eating on campus and getting to know the HLA students. In turn, the HLA kids enjoyed playing with my children.
It infuriates me to learn that HLA feeds not only its staff, but its staffs' families, at the expense of the parents. If you're reading this, imagine YOUR employer feeding YOU everyday, AND your family members, at no expense to you. Absurd.
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Just a difference of opinion I guess. I think it is a good thing that staff who live on campus eat with their families in the dining hall at times. I think it is great that staff would want to intergrate their families into the lives of the students. I have no problem with it. I would not want staff members who see their job as strictly nine to five, eight hours a day. The reality is that their have been many staff who pour thier heart into the job. If they eat a few meals with their families while hanging out with the students, then fine by me.
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It doesn't need justifying. HLA does not have to run every policy by the parents. The parents are not share holders, they are customers. If HLA wants to allow families to eat on campus that is their business. On the occasions that I ran into HLA parents in the dining hall and had my family there, the parents thought it was wonderful that my family was there. That is one of the interesting things about working in a place like HLA. What some families see as a great thing, other families see as a bad thing. I guess it depends on your perspective and outlook.
If you were a PARENT paying tuition for YOUR child's recovery, I venture to guess you would feel much differently about a portion of YOUR hard earned dollar being spent feeding staff members' families.
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No, I wouldn't. I would be glad that staff were there cultivating relationships with my child. I would be glad that they care enough about my child to include their family in my child's life. I would glad they saw their position as more than just a job. I would actually be asking why more staff members don't spend time eating with my kid.
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That is right. If you want to bring your family to HLA for dinner to mingle with the students, than pay for you and your families meals and then mingle away!
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No, I wouldn't. I would be glad that staff were there cultivating relationships with my child. I would be glad that they care enough about my child to include their family in my child's life. I would glad they saw their position as more than just a job. I would actually be asking why more staff members don't spend time eating with my kid.
You are obviously a STAFF member and NOT a parent paying tuition.
You should have been sitting with our children and eating a meal with our children because you actually CARED about our children and it should have been part of your job to be CARING and NUTURING. HLA is supposed to be a "Therapeutic Boaring School", right? I don't give a damn if your family eats their, but not on my dime.
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Wow. You are upset about a staff member who cares enough to bring his family to the dining hall to spend time with your child. You are upset that it is on "your dime". Wow. Maybe if you cared as much about raising your child appropriately as you do about "your dime" your child would not be in a therapeutic boarding school.
I'm done with this subject. Get in your last word. I won't respond.
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Wow. You are upset about a staff member who cares enough to bring his family to the dining hall to spend time with your child. You are upset that it is on "your dime". Wow. Maybe if you cared as much about raising your child appropriately as you do about "your dime" your child would not be in a therapeutic boarding school.
I'm done with this subject. Get in your last word. I won't respond.
Spin it however you want to - it's the same bullshit HLA has always pulled and will continue to pull. My child was pulled out of your atrocious hell hole after your precious "school" didn't live up to any of its promises and graduated with honors.
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Wow. You are upset about a staff member who cares enough to bring his family to the dining hall to spend time with your child. You are upset that it is on "your dime". Wow. Maybe if you cared as much about raising your child appropriately as you do about "your dime" your child would not be in a therapeutic boarding school.
I'm done with this subject. Get in your last word. I won't respond.
It's nice to see how HLA's staff really feels about helping out kids. Does it matter how a child ends up there? Doesn't the thing that's supposed to matter is helping the kids? Try to expose parents getting ripped off and watch the claws come out!
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Yes it does matter how a child end up there. Some kids have horrible things happen to them that parents could never have prevented. Some kids have parents who have made some mistakes, but are really good people who just want to do better. Some kids have really bad parents who couldn't care less about their kids and would like to dump them off on someone to fix them. They don't want to deal with the problems of raising kids so they sluff them off on someone else. The manner in which the kid goes to HLA plays a big part in whether or not they will make positive changes. One of HLA's biggest faults is letting in kids from families who are going to do nothing but sabotoge their child's progress.
So, yes, it does matter the manner in which a families child ends up at HLA.
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Tell us how many "bad parents" supposedly just dropped their kids off at HLA because they didn't feel like parenting? For the tuition HLA charges a kid could go to Georgetown Prep. or to Europe for schooling.
And if the kids who just had "bad parents" were sent there, why didn't HLA turn them away and let the parents know that they couldn't (in good faith, of course) accept their $6,000 per month - all their problems could be solved by a few more hugs and some quality family time together???? Are you saying HLA took on kids who didn't really need to be there?
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Are you saying HLA took on kids who didn't really need to be there?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Oh man.
Yes, without question.
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Wow. You are upset about a staff member who cares enough to bring his family to the dining hall to spend time with your child. You are upset that it is on "your dime". Wow. Maybe if you cared as much about raising your child appropriately as you do about "your dime" your child would not be in a therapeutic boarding school.
I'm done with this subject. Get in your last word. I won't respond.
Spin it however you want to - it's the same bullshit HLA has always pulled and will continue to pull. My child was pulled out of your atrocious hell hole after your precious "school" didn't live up to any of its promises and graduated with honors.
I did NOT send my child to HLA to spend time with staff members' families! And trust me- your reference to "dimes" is grossly inaccurate.
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No it's isn't, you just have to think of it terms of billions upon billions of dimes.
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Stealing food from children every day....very, very bad.
Cheap bastards.
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Just a difference of opinion I guess. I think it is a good thing that staff who live on campus eat with their families in the dining hall at times. I think it is great that staff would want to intergrate their families into the lives of the students.
Considered unethical for "counselor" to socialize with their clients. Another violation of counseling ethics. But then, there never was any traditional counseling happening there, was there?
I have no problem with it. I would not want staff members who see their job as strictly nine to five, eight hours a day. The reality is that their have been many staff who pour thier heart into the job. If they eat a few meals with their families while hanging out with the students, then fine by me.
Were you selective about which "juvenile delinquents"* your children hung out with? What if a fight broke out or they witnessed a kid get restrained with their face smashed into a puddle of mud and gravel?
*Do I really need to cite the many examples?
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i dont remember the guys name, but he was hired as an AC first and then moved up to director of athletics or something, he was arron kanner's right hand man. he was kinda big-ish, liked baseball, and was in general a nice guy. i'm not talking about the canadian athletics/volleyball guy who had sex with every other girl...anyone remember his name?
well his family came in too, all the time, to feast, and feast they did. you'd think they were a homeless family, they allways ran up to the front, and got as much food as they could and stuffed it down their throats. the worst part is that they were all really fat....like NASCAR-fan fat...like lee parham or klee hall fat.
not to mention all the higher-ups who lived on campus also brought their kids in to eat at least weekly.
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Are you talking about Klee Hall (Nascar-fat) and Walter Keeping (pedophile?)
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neither. klee hall is nascar fat, and walter keeping is a peado, but i wasnt talking about them. i was saying it wasnt them....
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I'm willing to bet that some of the staff brats, particularly the older ones, were used, or are being used, as a source of contraband by the captives.
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i dont remember the guys name, but he was hired as an AC first and then moved up to director of athletics or something, he was arron kanner's right hand man. he was kinda big-ish, liked baseball, and was in general a nice guy. i'm not talking about the canadian athletics/volleyball guy who had sex with every other girl...anyone remember his name?
well his family came in too, all the time, to feast, and feast they did. you'd think they were a homeless family, they allways ran up to the front, and got as much food as they could and stuffed it down their throats. the worst part is that they were all really fat....like NASCAR-fan fat...like lee parham or klee hall fat.
not to mention all the higher-ups who lived on campus also brought their kids in to eat at least weekly.
Whoa... Are you saying this staff member was having sex with the kids, or with other staff and the kids just knew all about it?
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oh yeah with walter keeping everyone knew he was up to something, but i dont think anyone proved anything. he was extreemely flirtatious with all the girls, particularly with a specific few. He didnt like working with the guys, only the girls. whenever he was assigned to the male poppulation, he turned into an ass, giving zaps and pushups at a whim. but whenever he was with the girls, he'd bullshit with them, let things slide, and flirt. he was very physical with the girls, giving hugs and kisses on the cheek constantly. on restrictions, he would request to "personally escort" girls to the bathroom all the time, and they would take an extrodinary amount of time to get back.
nothing was ever proven to my knowledge, but i'll share a little experience i had with him that should give you an idea of what was going on:
i had a zap, and was walking around the lake with a few other kids. walter keeping was running it. we get down the hill to where the SAC is, and i decide to pop the question "walter, i know this sounds strange, but i've been hearing some rumors about you and D____ and i'd like to know, just between me and you, if there is any truth to it". he just froze and turned beet red. he told me to get into the pushup position, and told the zap group to finish the rest by themselves, (around the lake with no supervision!). as soon as they got out of site, he just starts screaming at me telling me i have no right to ask him that, it's none of my bussiness, etc. then procceds to make me bear-crawl and crab-walk all the way around the lake to lower left. when we got back walter told lee that i was being "very difficult, and acting rude", so i was sent to restrictions where i stayed for another 4 days. from that point on, whenever i so much as said a word to walter, or came near him, he'd give me a zap or make me do pushups, even if i just said "good morning".
such a reaction to a simple question is almost always a sign of guilt.
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Wow. That does sound like a guilty reaction.
Was there ever any of the male students banging the female staff?
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Was there ever any of the male students banging the female staff?
not as far as i know, but i'm sure it happned at some point. there were some flitatious female staff, but they took their hornyness out on the other male staff i think.
but there was that time there was a thing goin on between Aften (you know, the crazy lesbian that used to come on here to defend HLA....) and one of the kitchen staff.
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"Walter" is his last name 'Keeping'?
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yes thats what was said read carefully.
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The question was regarding the spelling of his last name. One person said it was "Keaping" another said it was "Keeping".
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Im almost positive it was Keeping. He was my coach for volleyball and softball.
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Is this the Walter Keeping that we are talking about?
(http://http://www.cottageschool.org/images/Walter.jpg)
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yes!
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Yup. Wow. He works at Cottage now? We used to play them all the time in Volleyball and Softball.