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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Rachael on May 30, 2007, 11:17:58 AM
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So... this is coming up soon, who's going to be there?
Rachael
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All of us.........
We'll all be there.
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TheWho is showing up with his daughter, I heard.
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I was planning on attending with my daughter, but it was suggested, by Psy and others, that it might be a bad idea. He mentioned that it will be mostly survivors and that my daughter isn’t a survivor. So I assume survivor doesn’t mean a person who attended a TBS. What does survivor mean? Kids who attended boot camp type places? Or those who didn’t do well?
Just curious
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Go away who....
Your daughter is fine but a person who mocks the abuse suffered by survivors is less then unwelcome.
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Go away who....
Your daughter is fine but a person who mocks the abuse suffered by survivors is less then unwelcome.
Hanzo, dont be too high and mighty, you havent even been invited yet.
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Please explain. Why wouldn't The Who's daughter be a survivor? She went to a TBS, Swift River, if I remember right. Are you agreeing with The Who that SRA is not abusive so therefore his daughter isn't a survivor of an abusive TBS? Interesting.
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Please explain. Why wouldn't The Who's daughter be a survivor? She went to a TBS, Swift River, if I remember right. Are you agreeing with The Who that SRA is not abusive so therefore his daughter isn't a survivor of an abusive TBS? Interesting.
Thats what I was told. That she doesnt qualify as a survivor.
anon who
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What a survivor means to me is somebody who was sent away against their will to a place they had no control of going to, and actually made it out without having their spirit broken.
Keep in mind as a minor you have no say in how long you are placed there for. If there is abuse going on, there is nobody to report it to. Your parents don't believe you, and the power hungry control freaks that work there are constantly after your ass!
So, somebody that had to endure all that, that didn't kill themselves, another staff member, or a fellow inmate, and came out of there somewhat normal and able to function in the real world is a survivor to me.
We all have our own definitions. But, that is mine.
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How about someone who didn’t chose to go and agreed to go only because there were few other viable options on the table. Once there she took advantage of what there was to offer, applied herself, worked hard, made many personal advances thru the help of her therapist and got back on track with her personal and academic life. She is functioning very well now in the real world. Even though she attended a non abusive school she survived her dilemma.
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How about someone who didn’t chose to go and agreed to go only because there were few other viable options on the table. Once there she took advantage of what there was to offer, applied herself, worked hard, made many personal advances thru the help of her therapist and got back on track with her personal and academic life. She is functioning very well now in the real world. Even though she attended a non abusive school she survived her dilemma.
Hmm...............from what you've said she sounds like a real success story!!! Although, I have never spoken with your daughter to see what her personal experiences were, or how she felt when you sent her away. Or what she went through while there.I am merely going by what you have said. I think it might be interesting hearing her side of the story? Is she available to talk? Does she post here?
I consider myself a survivor because I never succeeded in killing myself while there. Fortunately, I never killed a staff member (thank god, other wise I'd be locked up still). You'll never really know Who what it feels like to be sent away against your will to a place that's not of your choosing. It really sucks to be left, and forgotton in the hands of people who are not all that nice to you. There might be a couple staff that are decent, but for the most part......NOT!
I was not the only one left and forgotton for 4+ years. There were other girls in my shoes. We had no choice but to take what was given to us.
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It is pathetic to watch theWho troll for attention.
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How about someone who didn’t chose to go and agreed to go only because there were few other viable options on the table. Once there she took advantage of what there was to offer, applied herself, worked hard, made many personal advances thru the help of her therapist and got back on track with her personal and academic life. She is functioning very well now in the real world. Even though she attended a non abusive school she survived her dilemma.
Hmm...............from what you've said she sounds like a real success story!!! Although, I have never spoken with your daughter to see what her personal experiences were, or how she felt when you sent her away. Or what she went through while there.I am merely going by what you have said. I think it might be interesting hearing her side of the story? Is she available to talk? Does she post here?
I consider myself a survivor because I never succeeded in killing myself while there. Fortunately, I never killed a staff member (thank god, other wise I'd be locked up still). You'll never really know Who what it feels like to be sent away against your will to a place that's not of your choosing. It really sucks to be left, and forgotton in the hands of people who are not all that nice to you. There might be a couple staff that are decent, but for the most part......NOT!
I was not the only one left and forgotton for 4+ years. There were other girls in my shoes. We had no choice but to take what was given to us.
Well, I think time is relative a few weeks away, a few months to others would seem excessive. But 4 years seems to be way too much, in my opinion. I couldn’t have my daughter away that long. But I am sure other people would say that about me and my daughter being away for 14 months or so… fortunately she was surrounded by people who cared about her and wanted her to succeed. She did survive what could have been a devastating path which she once was on.
CCM, I am sorry you had to endure such a long time away from your family and support system. Hopefully you were able to maintain and/or salvage most of the bond you had with your family. I think what help maintain the bond with my daughter and I were the frequent visits and phone contact.
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TheWho admits that he enjoys making fun of the personal testimonies of sexual abuse victims.
He admits he finds one of the most detailed and horrifying accounts "struck him as a little funny".
He copy/pasted the most graphic part of this survivor's testimony.
Then added his own comments in a sadistic attempt at humor. The
day after the survivor posted their original story.
TheWho posted in response to one guest as a way to "Get back at that guest" and "try to be funny".
He failed at both.
He did, however, manage to show his true nature, decide for yourself.
In an earlier post he claims he would believe a survivor if he knew nothing of the facility (as in this case).
A confirmed lie.
He will not just disbelieve a survivor. He will copy/paste their words.
Add his own jokes about sexual and physical abuse in captivity.
A truly disgusting spectacle of immaturity by TheWho.
The Who admits to finding testimony of sexual and physical abuse "a little funny" and is a confirmed liar.
Copy/pasted from this thread of post made Sat Apr 14, 2007
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209)
TheWho writes the next day Sun Apr 15, 2007 in response to a guest:
Oh come on that’s only the tip of the ice berg, lets be honest, no exaggerating here, we need to be credible or no parents will believe us. Here is a more complete account:
No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=80[/url]
Why would TheWho copy/paste this from a survivor's story and add his own disgusting comments and make fun of child abuse? The comments int he parenthesis are TheWho's, the rest was copy/pasted from a survivor testimony posted one day earlier, detailing sexual abuse and other horrible forms of abuse.
There was an event that struck me as kind of absurd and a little funny, at the time, that’s all.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10)
He disgustingly uses the most graphic details of a survivor's abuse story to make jokes. He is making fun of a child abuse victim who is explaining they were sexually abused, and he makes fun of the very next day. TheWho has some maturing to do!
If you talk about being abused in a facility I know nothing about, I will believe you.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=12820&start=120 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=12820&start=120)
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What does TheWho have to say about WWASPS, the program CCM Girl was incarcerated at?
The facts will speak for themselves, when we get them, we have none now to support either side.
Looks like an investigatiopn may start to compare Programs, private schools and the public school systems. Once the data becomes available we all will have more of a valid argument instead of basing our positions on a few parents feelings on the subject or a couple of angry kids who had a bad experience.
The proof that they saved thousands of lives will be found or not found. The same as any long term mental issues as a result. Until we get the facts we are just a debate club without a library.
Give it time.
Ken Kay, tells me that abuse is "a very rare occurrence" at affiliated schools, with no more than at public schools -- "that doesn't mean we're gonna shut down the public schools."
I have spoken to many people who feel this way despite the well publicized problems in WWASPs. The solution is obvious, someone needs to present some evidence from both sides or support a study by an independent agency.
This looks like it may be a start, go for it !!!!
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=13110 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=13110)
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Sorry everyone, It appears I have my own personal troll, seems she doesnt agree with my opinions, I appologize for her attempt to drive the subject off topic.
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Read the entire survivor story by clicking here (http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209)
No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. (my favorite)
Had rocks and items thrown at me.
Locked in a hot, wooden box.
Forced to eat paper.
Forced to be naked for a week.
Thrown into the ocean during a typhoon. ( I think he would keep blowing back ,would'nt he?)
Kicked down a hill and had logs thrown on me.
Had a chair slammed into my gut.
Obtained more skin diseases than a POW in Vietnam.
Forced to carry "sandbags" of rocks up and down hills.
There was an event that struck me as kind of absurd and a little funny, at the time, that’s all.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10)
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Making fun of abuse victims, all in a day's work for TheWho. :roll:
During the PURE vs. WWASPS trial some of the jurors cried as they watched video clips of the “Box,” where American
children were reportedly hog-tied, hand-cuffed, duct-taped, starved, and slugged by staff.
When asked about whether using "3 inch tape" or "duct tape" constituted abuse in his opinion, he responded with this - "I, I, uh, I dont know I don't think I'm the right person to answer that question, I really honestly don't dont know that that would be... abuse. I really... (smiling) I know that you'd like to get an answer but I really don't know and I don't know how I feel about it, I uld probably be appropriate. Not at one of our schools but in the public system, and once in a while with my own children I thought, man, that wouldn't be a bad idea." - Ken Kay (President of WWASP)
Photos were shown of children who were locked inside The ISO Box (Isolation Box), a wooden structure no larger than a small closet at WWASP's Paradise Cove program in Western Samoa. Children told of their experiences when they were hog-tied, struck by staff members, and duct-taped during their stay. When an investigation into allegations of child abuse and neglect was initiated, WWASP closed this program.
I was often struck by WWASP's harassment of the parents who testified. For example, Fred Silvester, WWASP’s attorney, was asking Mr. Goodwin, a father whose son was in WWASP’s High Impact, about a comment made having to do with going to look around the "school". In what appeared to me to be a sharp, sarcastic tone, he asks, "And what did you see?" I guess maybe he thought Mr. Goodwin would say, happy kids soaking up knowledge! Mr. Goodwin responded, "Well, I looked in one door and saw a girl sitting with a three inch strip of duct tape across her mouth." Silvester’s back went stiff, as he drummed his fingers on the podium; Then he waves his hand at Mr. Goodwin and snaps, "You just made that up, didn't you?!"
"NO I did NOT just make that up!" was Mr. Goodwin's adamant reply.
It was powerful.
It was during Mr. Goodwin's testimony about High Impact that I learned some things I had not been aware of before. He explained how the staff used cattle prods to terrify the students and keep them in the stress positions. It was either maintain the position, or get a jolt from the cattle prod. They would strike the ground and create a discharged by the kids' heads, so they would know the prod was hot.
Enough controversy, including records supplied to officials that allegedly documented restraints used against children such as handcuffs, pepper spray and duct tape, led the Boonville City Council on Monday to unanimously reject Lichfield's offer.
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Ha,Ha,Ha,...this is what happens over time if you consistently refuse to join the majority mind set (mentality) that all schools are abusive here on fornits.
If you are a "Guest" you may consider staying that way if you don’t agree with the group think here (or run the risk of having a personal troll). This is definitely a good test to see if an unpopular opinion can weather the storm here on fornits. So far it is working and the attention is generating a lot of interest in the stats from the feedback I have been getting....ya gotta love this forum...this definitely doesn’t happen often anywhere else.
People on fornits dont like my stats too much, check it out:
Latest stats: Click here (http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=263267#263267)
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These stats are BS..
JJ .. get a real job that doesnt abuse or torture kids. Granted there may be a few out there that someone MIGHT be able to come out safe.. but, it is too hard to tell in an industry that is self regualted. You can not pick the good apples from the bad. It doesnt pay to send your child to one of these schools .. if you are considering it.. read a few more of threads you will hear a consistant.. story of abuse, neglect and DEATH.
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I'd be tempted to show up just to watch the crowd if I was back in the Estados Unidos. Be an interesting show even before the show.
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How about someone who didn’t chose to go and agreed to go only because there were few other viable options on the table. Once there she took advantage of what there was to offer, applied herself, worked hard, made many personal advances thru the help of her therapist and got back on track with her personal and academic life. She is functioning very well now in the real world. Even though she attended a non abusive school she survived her dilemma.
Hmm...............from what you've said she sounds like a real success story!!! Although, I have never spoken with your daughter to see what her personal experiences were, or how she felt when you sent her away. Or what she went through while there.I am merely going by what you have said. I think it might be interesting hearing her side of the story? Is she available to talk? Does she post here?
I consider myself a survivor because I never succeeded in killing myself while there. Fortunately, I never killed a staff member (thank god, other wise I'd be locked up still). You'll never really know Who what it feels like to be sent away against your will to a place that's not of your choosing. It really sucks to be left, and forgotton in the hands of people who are not all that nice to you. There might be a couple staff that are decent, but for the most part......NOT!
I was not the only one left and forgotton for 4+ years. There were other girls in my shoes. We had no choice but to take what was given to us.
Well, I think time is relative a few weeks away, a few months to others would seem excessive. But 4 years seems to be way too much, in my opinion. I couldn’t have my daughter away that long. But I am sure other people would say that about me and my daughter being away for 14 months or so… fortunately she was surrounded by people who cared about her and wanted her to succeed. She did survive what could have been a devastating path which she once was on.
CCM, I am sorry you had to endure such a long time away from your family and support system. Hopefully you were able to maintain and/or salvage most of the bond you had with your family. I think what help maintain the bond with my daughter and I were the frequent visits and phone contact.
Evade.. Evade... Evade....
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Oh, I forgot....
Who Free Thread!
Sorry about that,
Rachael
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These stats are BS..
JJ .. get a real job that doesnt abuse or torture kids. Granted there may be a few out there that someone MIGHT be able to come out safe.. but, it is too hard to tell in an industry that is self regualted. You can not pick the good apples from the bad. It doesnt pay to send your child to one of these schools .. if you are considering it.. read a few more of threads you will hear a consistant.. story of abuse, neglect and DEATH.
I keep hearing the same old chin music, but no one has been able to prove any of the data wrong. It is an open matrix...send me a data point and I will add it in !! Lets keep this above board and honest.
You will hear many stories of neglect here because this is a predominately survivors forum (besides myself, Ha,Ha,). But take this with a grain of salt and talk to your child’s therapist, school counselor, visit the prospective school and ask questions.
If anyone tells you all schools are good or all schools are bad treat this as a "red Flag" and move on.
Dont take the research lightly, this is your childs future, make sure you choose a school that is a good fit.
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I said Who FREE.
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Let us know how it turns out, it's much easier to explain what goes on in programs if you can just show people. Isn't there another movie coming out that deals with Kids of North Jersey or is this it? Are any of you planning on taking family?
OT: Last I'll say on this, Who's daughter is a survivor of both program and PRO-gram-ed parent. I doubt that she would be unwelcome, the Who on the other hand is unwelcome. And considering the fact that he doesn't believe children are abused in programs, you folks simply don't exist in Who's world.
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Oh, I forgot....
Who Free Thread!
Sorry about that,
Rachael
Sorry Rachael, too late, this blew up out of a question of what the definition of a survivor was.
I agreed to respect any threads that stated it was "Who free" and I would stay away and in return I asked that my posts not be deleted or the wording altered .... all I got back from the investigation was that I must have be drinking ... Zenagent had the same problem as I did.
No biggie, I never expected any action, just pointing it out as a warning to others who may decide to get a user name.
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Who Free Thread
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Maybe I'm still a bit naive, but I do hold people accountable to their word.
Rachael
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Let us know how it turns out, it's much easier to explain what goes on in programs if you can just show people. Isn't there another movie coming out that deals with Kids of North Jersey or is this it? Are any of you planning on taking family?
OT: Last I'll say on this, Who's daughter is a survivor of both program and PRO-gram-ed parent. I doubt that she would be unwelcome, the Who on the other hand is unwelcome. And considering the fact that he doesn't believe children are abused in programs, you folks simply don't exist in Who's world.
Oh, Hanzo, relax… I believe kids have been abused in programs…I just don’t believe they are abused in all programs, big difference. So now you want to restrict the show to just those people with a certain mentality… very interesting.
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Maybe I'm still a bit naive, but I do hold people accountable to their word.
Rachael
Rachael, My word was based on a compromise that my posts would not be deleted or altered going forward. This was discarded out of hand...what would you do?
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Maybe I'm still a bit naive, but I do hold people accountable to their word.
Rachael
Rachael, My word was based on a compromise that my posts would not be deleted or altered going forward. This was discarded out of hand...what would you do?
I wouldn't alter your posts in which you detail your experience when you were sexually and physically abused and laugh at you. Would you do that to someone?
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Maybe I'm still a bit naive, but I do hold people accountable to their word.
Rachael
Rachael, My word was based on a compromise that my posts would not be deleted or altered going forward. This was discarded out of hand...what would you do?
I wouldn't alter your posts in which you detail your experience when you were sexually and physically abused and laugh at you. Would you do that to someone?
We are a little off topic but:
You may not, but others have and it doesnt matter, altering is altering. If the altering of my posts doesnt stop than I wont agree to "WhoFree" threads. It was a fair compromise in my opinion. It doesnt matter to me if they want to stop or not, I am living with it. But dont expect me to conform alone.
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You would alter someone else's post and make fun of them, even if it's testimony of sexual and physical abuse?
Please link to the other people who have done this so I can confirm your claim.
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You would alter someone else's post and make fun of them, even if it's testimony of sexual and physical abuse?
Please link to the other people who have done this so I can confirm your claim.
No, Do your own work or ask for an investigation and see how far that gets you, like I did. Dont get pissed now, but I can assure you it is a dead end. You just need to live with it.....smile have fun!
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Read the entire survivor story by clicking here (http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209)
No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. (my favorite)
Had rocks and items thrown at me.
Locked in a hot, wooden box.
Forced to eat paper.
Forced to be naked for a week.
Thrown into the ocean during a typhoon. ( I think he would keep blowing back ,would'nt he?)
Kicked down a hill and had logs thrown on me.
Had a chair slammed into my gut.
Obtained more skin diseases than a POW in Vietnam.
Forced to carry "sandbags" of rocks up and down hills.
There was an event that struck me as kind of absurd and a little funny, at the time, that’s all.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10)
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Making fun of abuse victims, all in a day's work for TheWho. :roll:
During the PURE vs. WWASPS trial some of the jurors cried as they watched video clips of the “Box,” where American
children were reportedly hog-tied, hand-cuffed, duct-taped, starved, and slugged by staff.
When asked about whether using "3 inch tape" or "duct tape" constituted abuse in his opinion, he responded with this - "I, I, uh, I dont know I don't think I'm the right person to answer that question, I really honestly don't dont know that that would be... abuse. I really... (smiling) I know that you'd like to get an answer but I really don't know and I don't know how I feel about it, I uld probably be appropriate. Not at one of our schools but in the public system, and once in a while with my own children I thought, man, that wouldn't be a bad idea." - Ken Kay (President of WWASP)
Photos were shown of children who were locked inside The ISO Box (Isolation Box), a wooden structure no larger than a small closet at WWASP's Paradise Cove program in Western Samoa. Children told of their experiences when they were hog-tied, struck by staff members, and duct-taped during their stay. When an investigation into allegations of child abuse and neglect was initiated, WWASP closed this program.
I was often struck by WWASP's harassment of the parents who testified. For example, Fred Silvester, WWASP’s attorney, was asking Mr. Goodwin, a father whose son was in WWASP’s High Impact, about a comment made having to do with going to look around the "school". In what appeared to me to be a sharp, sarcastic tone, he asks, "And what did you see?" I guess maybe he thought Mr. Goodwin would say, happy kids soaking up knowledge! Mr. Goodwin responded, "Well, I looked in one door and saw a girl sitting with a three inch strip of duct tape across her mouth." Silvester’s back went stiff, as he drummed his fingers on the podium; Then he waves his hand at Mr. Goodwin and snaps, "You just made that up, didn't you?!"
"NO I did NOT just make that up!" was Mr. Goodwin's adamant reply.
It was powerful.
It was during Mr. Goodwin's testimony about High Impact that I learned some things I had not been aware of before. He explained how the staff used cattle prods to terrify the students and keep them in the stress positions. It was either maintain the position, or get a jolt from the cattle prod. They would strike the ground and create a discharged by the kids' heads, so they would know the prod was hot.
Enough controversy, including records supplied to officials that allegedly documented restraints used against children such as handcuffs, pepper spray and duct tape, led the Boonville City Council on Monday to unanimously reject Lichfield's offer.
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This is NOT FUNNY, RobertBruce! What is WRONG with you?
Here's another Sleazy Response from RobertBruce about a sexual abuse victim:
Ha, Ha, Ha............. Sometimes this is too funny! You people will say anything to get attention or to manipulate... Ha, Ha, Ha... Well, you know, sometimes a kid getting anally gang-raped is the best way to deal with immaturity! You have to grow up some time.......Ha, Ha, Ha
This guy is SICK!
Yo, you should get a therapist, did HLA do this to you? You need help man, that stuff is sick.
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It is positively clear that theWho altered the testimony of a survivor recounting horrible sexual and physical abuse, for laughs.
The day after the survivor posted, making sure that they would read it.
Doesn't get more immature and sadistic around here than TheWho.
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Keep spamming the board, you sick old man, try and hide the truth, but you know which quotes are real.
No sexual abuse victims to laugh and publicly make fun of tonight, I know you must be upset TheWho.
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Why would RobertBruce start doing the same thing? That is really sick, I never thought he would start making fun of abuse victims. This thread is screwed up.
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TheWho is throwing a tantrum because he has no answer to why someone would say the things he did.
The only answer of course is they are sadistic,
he doesn't like that answer and gets sad.
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Why would RobertBruce start doing the same thing? That is really sick, I never thought he would start making fun of abuse victims. This thread is screwed up.
I thought RobertBruce went to HLA, why would he say things like that? Maybe because he only went for a couple of months and never really experienced what the school was really like. Either way, I dont think it is right what he says.
Its not funny at all.
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Read the entire survivor story by clicking here (http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209)
No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. (my favorite)
Had rocks and items thrown at me.
Locked in a hot, wooden box.
Forced to eat paper.
Forced to be naked for a week.
Thrown into the ocean during a typhoon. ( I think he would keep blowing back ,would'nt he?)
Kicked down a hill and had logs thrown on me.
Had a chair slammed into my gut.
Obtained more skin diseases than a POW in Vietnam.
Forced to carry "sandbags" of rocks up and down hills.
There was an event that struck me as kind of absurd and a little funny, at the time, that’s all.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10)
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Making fun of abuse victims, all in a day's work for TheWho. :roll:
During the PURE vs. WWASPS trial some of the jurors cried as they watched video clips of the “Box,” where American
children were reportedly hog-tied, hand-cuffed, duct-taped, starved, and slugged by staff.
When asked about whether using "3 inch tape" or "duct tape" constituted abuse in his opinion, he responded with this - "I, I, uh, I dont know I don't think I'm the right person to answer that question, I really honestly don't dont know that that would be... abuse. I really... (smiling) I know that you'd like to get an answer but I really don't know and I don't know how I feel about it, I uld probably be appropriate. Not at one of our schools but in the public system, and once in a while with my own children I thought, man, that wouldn't be a bad idea." - Ken Kay (President of WWASP)
Photos were shown of children who were locked inside The ISO Box (Isolation Box), a wooden structure no larger than a small closet at WWASP's Paradise Cove program in Western Samoa. Children told of their experiences when they were hog-tied, struck by staff members, and duct-taped during their stay. When an investigation into allegations of child abuse and neglect was initiated, WWASP closed this program.
I was often struck by WWASP's harassment of the parents who testified. For example, Fred Silvester, WWASP’s attorney, was asking Mr. Goodwin, a father whose son was in WWASP’s High Impact, about a comment made having to do with going to look around the "school". In what appeared to me to be a sharp, sarcastic tone, he asks, "And what did you see?" I guess maybe he thought Mr. Goodwin would say, happy kids soaking up knowledge! Mr. Goodwin responded, "Well, I looked in one door and saw a girl sitting with a three inch strip of duct tape across her mouth." Silvester’s back went stiff, as he drummed his fingers on the podium; Then he waves his hand at Mr. Goodwin and snaps, "You just made that up, didn't you?!"
"NO I did NOT just make that up!" was Mr. Goodwin's adamant reply.
It was powerful.
It was during Mr. Goodwin's testimony about High Impact that I learned some things I had not been aware of before. He explained how the staff used cattle prods to terrify the students and keep them in the stress positions. It was either maintain the position, or get a jolt from the cattle prod. They would strike the ground and create a discharged by the kids' heads, so they would know the prod was hot.
Enough controversy, including records supplied to officials that allegedly documented restraints used against children such as handcuffs, pepper spray and duct tape, led the Boonville City Council on Monday to unanimously reject Lichfield's offer.
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Now he resorts to making fun of another program survivor, RobertBruce.
It's all he knows.
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TheWho is throwing a tantrum because he has no answer to why someone would say the things he did.
The only answer of course is they are sadistic,
he doesn't like that answer and gets sad.
(http://http://slantmouth.com/articles/fugeddabaddit/images/cryingMan.jpg)
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Who, keep it up and consider yourself aped on sight.
Its impossible to save a thread you troll, but I sure as can shut it out and get it dropped to the bottom of the thread list.
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This is NOT FUNNY, RobertBruce! What is WRONG with you?
Here's another Sleazy Response from RobertBruce about a sexual abuse victim:
Ha, Ha, Ha............. Sometimes this is too funny! You people will say anything to get attention or to manipulate... Ha, Ha, Ha... Well, you know, sometimes a kid getting anally gang-raped is the best way to deal with immaturity! You have to grow up some time.......Ha, Ha, Ha
This guy is SICK!
Yo, you should get a therapist, did HLA do this to you? You need help man, that stuff is sick.
Bruce, thats really sick. You should take a break from this for awhile and think about stuff.
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Who, keep it up and consider yourself aped on sight.
Its impossible to save a thread you troll, but I sure as can shut it out and get it dropped to the bottom of the thread list.
Why blame thewho? Read the thread, he didnt start anything.
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There was an event that struck me as kind of absurd and a little funny, at the time, that’s all.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10)
What event is TheWho talking about?
I'm going to skip some details, but here's a list of shit that I had happened to me:
No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason.
No toilet paper.
Had rocks and items thrown at me.
Locked in a hot, wooden box.
Forced to eat paper.
Forced to be naked for a week.
Thrown into the ocean during a typhoon.
Kicked down a hill and had logs thrown on me.
Had a chair slammed into my gut.
Obtained more skin diseases than a POW in Vietnam.
Forced to carry "sandbags" of rocks up and down hills.
Lived in the jungle called Le Tiera.
Screamed at and clubbed during seminars.
Had other "students" "enforce" "rules" on me for no reason.
Read the entire heartbreaking story by clicking here. (http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209)
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. (my favorite)
Thrown into the ocean during a typhoon. ( I think he would keep blowing back ,would'nt he?) [/quote]
TheWho is talking about those comments in this testimony.
Why would TheWho choose alter testimony and make fun of it in another thread the day after it was originally posted?
How much cynicism is required to find a story like this "a little funny and absurd" after reading this forum for years, knowing full well the horrors of WWASPS?
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This is NOT FUNNY, RobertBruce! What is WRONG with you?
Here's another Sleazy Response from RobertBruce about a sexual abuse victim:
Ha, Ha, Ha............. Sometimes this is too funny! You people will say anything to get attention or to manipulate... Ha, Ha, Ha... Well, you know, sometimes a kid getting anally gang-raped is the best way to deal with immaturity! You have to grow up some time.......Ha, Ha, Ha
This guy is SICK!
Yo, you should get a therapist, did HLA do this to you? You need help man, that stuff is sick.
Bruce, thats really sick. You should take a break from this for awhile and think about stuff.
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Keep spamming the board, you sick old man, try and hide the truth, but you know which quotes are real.
No sexual abuse victims to laugh and publicly make fun of tonight, I know you must be upset TheWho.
Just ban TheWho for spamming. It ain't that deep.
Also, I think he's altered enough posts and signed other people's names to them that the admin should just link his posts to his username so he can't hide behind anonymity while re-abusing sexual abuse victims. At least make him accountable for it.