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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: butternationalist on May 10, 2003, 12:26:00 PM

Title: pathways new format
Post by: butternationalist on May 10, 2003, 12:26:00 PM
well it seems as though the brainwashers are at it again.
       As i understand from a reliable source pathway has a very low client rate these days and as a result pathway has brought a new con to the table. PFC will now be opening an 8 week iop program for the people just trying to get clean and then refer them to the long term program.
My assumption is that they are doing this for more than just to help kids with thier"addictions".....MO' MONEY MO' MONEY MO'MONEEEY. I'm quite anxious to see what will take place this dandy ole addition to the compound they refer to as pfc. I have as well decided to pursue court proceedings on pathway. Something else i wanted to respond to is the question asked about things staff as well as peerstaff did to clients. im going to paint a picture of one situation if I may picture a client waddling back and forth in front of group quaking and flapping his arms like a duck. while staff and selected clients that were of the  staffs liking would launch balls at him.when he was hit by a ball he would have to yell,"DING" and waddle in the other direction. there were groups run like this where many clients of the group had to do various things like this. Staff called these groups " insecurity breakers" If you ask me they always seemed like insecurity makers. they were messing with my own as well as other clients mental health. You come in to a program where you are stuck for a minimum of a year, they lie and tell you that you cant leave or the cops will get you and return you.think of how mentally stable you are in a position such as that. that time period created the most vulnerable person i had ever seen in myself. its no wonder that you cant have contact whith your parents they brainwash you before you can tell them what its like for real. i just want to put a stop to all this nonsense kids are suffering more mental damage in this place then if they weren't even there. i know i was. if pathway is still running over the summer there is a fundraiser at comerica park for a tigers game called,"summerslam for sobriety" i have every intention of going down there with flyers and telling people what REALLY goes on in this place behind locked doors, no openable windows. one other thing i met with a fellow prisoner/former client. and was reminded of the bruises this kid had on his spine from sitting in those hard plastic chairs daily. thats it for now---smith

ps if anyone is interested in attending this summerslam boycott with me let me know and well come up with something ... :skull:
Title: pathways new format
Post by: ehm on May 10, 2003, 03:30:00 PM
TRAUMA-SHMAUMA as long as they're rich. ::puke::

[ This Message was edited by: Mo on 2003-05-10 12:31 ]
Title: pathways new format
Post by: SurvivorEMSR on May 11, 2003, 01:38:00 PM
Yeah Ryan, those groups sucked! Obviously they were for staff's entertainment. Remember the flying pile of shit? They would make clients dress up in garbage bags and run full force into a wall then slide down it like a piece of poop. Did clients refuse? Sure, if they wanted their privaledges taken away for weeks on end. I haven't heard about this IOP program yet, I'm sure most of the clients there will end up in long term PFC sooner or later. EMSR
Title: pathways new format
Post by: butternationalist on May 11, 2003, 06:13:00 PM
theres no doubt in my mind that the whole reason that this part was begun because of the fact it will be easier for parents to sentence their children there because the iop thing will look like " such a great program" here we go again......--smith :wave: hey hey jpk
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2003, 11:15:00 AM
Well let's see, I'm a piece of shit flying at the wall, Dear God, when should anyone ever even consider they are a "piece of shit"!!!! Make sure you guys let ISAC know this. When ever is humiliation treatment, I hope  you assholes at Pathway get shutdown!!!
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2003, 12:33:00 PM
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On 2003-05-12 08:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Well let's see, I'm a piece of shit flying at the wall, Dear God, when should anyone ever even consider they are a "piece of shit"!!!! Make sure you guys let ISAC know this. When ever is humiliation treatment, I hope  you assholes at Pathway get shutdown!!!"


I believe their time is running short!
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2003, 01:16:00 PM
I am glad to see you r doing so good ryan , u fat ass.  From a pull who is still watching for u.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2003, 09:21:00 PM
Wow, this guy sounds REALLY scary. I wonder why he didn't leave his name. Pussy.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2003, 09:34:00 PM
No shit. What, is that supposed to sound scary? Wow kid, you're just watching him ready to strike. If I were you butter I'd be very afraid. Just kidding. Shut the fuck up pull.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2003, 09:36:00 PM
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On 2003-05-20 10:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am glad to see you r doing so good ryan , u fat ass.  From a pull who is still watching for u."


Leave your name kid, and then talk some more.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2003, 10:25:00 AM
Sounds like Pathway didn't do a very good job with you guys. This sounds like a lot of wasted brain cells.  :silly: If you didn't like Pathway thats OK. Just get on with your life.  :smile:

Butter I know you and I'am sorry your so bitter   me and my family thought the world of you. I hope this anger will go away and you will move on.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2003, 11:26:00 AM
"This sounds like a lot of wasted brain cells.  If you didn't like Pathway thats OK. Just get on with your life.  

Butter I know you and I'am sorry your so bitter me and my family thought the world of you. I hope this anger will go away and you will move on. "

*********************

Sounds to me like butternationalist is doing an excellent job beginning to think for himself instead of allowing some mind raping cult (like Pathway is) to think for him. Not only is he coming to grips with the truth about you mind rapists, he is even picking up the pieces from it all no thanks to YOU. He has every right in the world to be bitter, yet he is healing just the same. "wasted brain cells"!!!??? Who cares about your 'profound' judgment you're attempting to throw on him anyway, you're just a damned robot caught up in a money making cult. Don't tell him to do shit anymore, your "advice" has been brain-dead all along because you worship a cult called 'Pathway', they taught to "confront", you're not fooling anyone here..

How dare you tell him to "just get on with your life", who the hell are you anyway...merely a participant in the mind raping process of organized child abuse on this human being, you've never had ANY business telling him shit to begin with..It's irrelevant that you "knew" him anyway, what are you doing about Pathway, just getting off on these youngsters not having any rights or privacy, fucking with their minds at their every waking minute. Geee, does that make you feel all POWERFUL, a big ole bad-ass? How do you expect that harming a kid will show positive results.

It would be really cool to see your SUMMERSLAM get the attention it truly deserves. What would even be even funnier is knowing that your neck is gonna be soooo damned sore because your paranoia over SUMMERSLAM will make you always be swiveling your head around your shoulder.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2003, 11:50:00 AM
We all suffer from trauma differently. Those of us that have that is. One thing's for sure, it takes time. Some people longer than others due to circumstances.

I hope for all that you find your own place where once there was only confusion.
Best of dreams to all -

"Program" is nightmare, don't let them get in the way of the dreams.
 

Sealed w/ a  ::bangin::  Still sometimes we have to  ::argue:: to work things out.
Always  ::heart:: your Friends & Family.
(you know who they are)
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2003, 12:02:00 PM
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On 2003-05-21 08:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

""This sounds like a lot of wasted brain cells.  If you didn't like Pathway thats OK. Just get on with your life.  



Butter I know you and I'am sorry your so bitter me and my family thought the world of you. I hope this anger will go away and you will move on. "



*********************



Sounds to me like butternationalist is doing an excellent job beginning to think for himself instead of allowing some mind raping cult (like Pathway is) to think for him. Not only is he coming to grips with the truth about you mind rapists, he is even picking up the pieces from it all no thanks to YOU. He has every right in the world to be bitter, yet he is healing just the same. "wasted brain cells"!!!??? Who cares about your 'profound' judgment you're attempting to throw on him anyway, you're just a damned robot caught up in a money making cult. Don't tell him to do shit anymore, your "advice" has been brain-dead all along because you worship a cult called 'Pathway', they taught to "confront", you're not fooling anyone here..



How dare you tell him to "just get on with your life", who the hell are you anyway...merely a participant in the mind raping process of organized child abuse on this human being, you've never had ANY business telling him shit to begin with..It's irrelevant that you "knew" him anyway, what are you doing about Pathway, just getting off on these youngsters not having any rights or privacy, fucking with their minds at their every waking minute. Geee, does that make you feel all POWERFUL, a big ole bad-ass? How do you expect that harming a kid will show positive results.



It would be really cool to see your SUMMERSLAM get the attention it truly deserves. What would even be even funnier is knowing that your neck is gonna be soooo damned sore because your paranoia over SUMMERSLAM will make you always be swiveling your head around your shoulder.





"

...lol!



Don't come around here saying,"GET OVER IT" with out getting this type of a responce almost always.

 Like I said in my last post:
We're dealing with childhood trauma here.

No-one here (who was in a program, and who is not still brainwashed) takes kindly to being told to get over something that will most likly take years for them to work through.

People heal on their own terms.
NOT YOURS
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Antigen on May 21, 2003, 12:43:00 PM
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On 2003-05-21 07:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sounds like Pathway didn't do a very good job with you guys. This sounds like a lot of wasted brain cells.  :silly: If you didn't like Pathway thats OK. Just get on with your life.  :smile:



Butter I know you and I'am sorry your so bitter   me and my family thought the world of you. I hope this anger will go away and you will move on.   "


Interesting post. Spoken in the third person and addressed to both sides of the argument. so not someone real familiar with the Program?

The 'wasted brain cells' comment is cult lingo for 'you must be on drugs'. Then the dead give away. 'me and my family thought [past tense] the world of you'. So you are a PFC follower after all!

But here's the really silly part. When talking about a kid who once did normal stuff like smoked a joint behind the gym at school or maybe snuck Dad's car out for a joy ride, according to Program mythology, that's a sure sign of a kid with an incurable, progressive and terminal disease that they'll never, ever get over and always have to struggle with. Take that same kid, traumatize him for a year or two, isolate him from everything he's ever known, degrade and abuse him constantly and, when he expresses some discontent over that, well just 'get over it'.

Do you even see how duplistic this is? No, I guess you don't. Which is why we have to resort to radical activities like protests and law suits and PR campaigns to get people to help us stop you. You have no concience of your own to reel you in.

Q. I simply ask, why is PUNISHMENT the solution with regards to the narrow group of behaviors which encompass illegal drug use....?

A.Pharmaceutical Business, both legal and illegal, run by the same people either way, money coming to the middle from both ends.  Bush.
Bill Gallagher

Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2003, 01:20:00 PM
*500 RtR emoticons doing their thang!!!*

Go!Go! go Ginger!!! (it's very loud)
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Antigen on May 21, 2003, 05:58:00 PM
RtR???

Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?"  Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown, _Peanuts_ [Charles Schulz]

Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2003, 07:11:00 PM
I've been in Pathway for awhile now. I don't consider myself being in a cult or being a mind rapist or a child abuser. I'am just a parent who love's his child.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2003, 10:17:00 PM
There's a fine line between love an obsession. God help you, buddy, you've got way more than a toe over it.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: METALGOD8 on May 21, 2003, 10:40:00 PM
Well, I would like to suggest that you take your child out of Pathway immediately. Pathway only looks like it is helping. Most parents that drop off their kids have not exhausted enough of their own energy seeking help elsewhere. Please don't be fooled by Pathway. Did you check with the State of Indiana or Michigan Department of Health before sending your child there? Please call them as soon as you can. They may be able to confirm a lot more than I can right now on this board. You should surf on over to http://www.straightincorporated.com (http://www.straightincorporated.com) to see what I mean. There is plenty of Pathway info there too for you and all the other parents (victims). Also, there are many other sites like Fornits to browse where you can see what happens to people who go to these kinds of places.
   By allowing your child to be subjected to Pathway Family Center's psychologically abusive, physically abusive and other problematic treatment methods, you are not really helping your child, no matter how much you love him/her.

MG8 :smokin:
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2003, 06:25:00 AM
" I've been in Pathway for awhile now. I don't consider myself being in a cult or being a mind rapist or a child abuser. I'am just a parent who love's his child."

And you don't think we've have heard all that before? You can dismiss what we say all day long till the cows come home if you want, whatever. The fact is that your little Suzie or Sammy is going to physically one day grow into an adult body. They are going to be very angry, have fits of rage that seem to come out of nowhere and they won't understand where the rage is coming from. That is until they read up on what the origins of Pathway are, how it developed out of Straight Inc., how they both were just money making scams, what PTSD is and what the aftereffects of being in a 'therapeutic community' aka mind rape mill are. And then you will say something like "well dear, I did it because I loved you, I did the best job I could, we didn't know then what we know now" HEY, are you trying to figure out exactly what it is you are going to say to that adult someday when they question you as to what the fuck were you thinking??????? It doesn't matter at all to me, it's not going to have ANY effect on me, YOU are the one that WILL inevitably deal with this the rest of your life when Pathway is out of the picture and it is just you and your loved one in some room alone one day in the future. I suggest you heed our warnings and pull your kid out of Pathway not now, but yesterday!!!
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2003, 07:50:00 AM
How many of you parents felt uncomfortable about Pathway to begin with? How many of you talked about how they are brainwashed? They humiliate (called humbling) these children. They are angry and in pain to begin with or they wouldn't be doing drugs! Watching them urinate, defecate, restraining, touching them when they walk anywhere, God! They are like robots!  All too willing to say they are drug addicts and will always be!! Turning their anger and pain over to a "Higher Power" only represses it more!! The reason abuse is used at any time is because it works immediately.  Makes the person abused believe they are dirt. "Humbles them".  Pathway can stop using their abusive tactics and STILL help these kids.  Parents PUSH them to do this.  Educate yourselves.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2003, 08:24:00 AM
tell me a parent who wouldn't say they love their child.  So?
Title: pathways new format
Post by: butternationalist on May 23, 2003, 07:07:00 PM
listen i dont know who yu are but i really would like to know. if there was one thing i was forced to learn in pathway it was how to grow up cmon now pathling. this is website about discussion of topics , not a piss moan and make fun of the fat kid websie. i thinK the sober pathlings can hae respectfor a successful user WHO WASNT AN ADDICT IN THE FIRST PLACE not to mention a very stnd up friendly, an respectful human being. soi a sorry that a little beer and a joint every so often has to change yuropinion of me as  person.. your loss.
  thanks for the support frm everyone as well. hell yeah ed! mg8 youl get a call tis week. thanksto all.
and as for anonymous ope your eyes and your heart be realistic.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2003, 01:13:00 AM
Boy Ryan so bent out of shape.  Man get some help.  Maybe you should smoke some weed, it might help you pull that stick out of your ass.  You never show your face at PFC anyways.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2003, 01:21:00 AM
Why should I leave my name Ryan?  You would not do shit anyways.  You would hide behind everyone else.  Ups I was wrong, everyone would hide behind you wide ass.  You are boring child.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2003, 03:30:00 PM
Wow, once again anonymous leaves no name. Could he be scared that he might get his ass kicked. Ahhh, you poor little puss.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2003, 03:31:00 PM
Yeah, I always find it funny when people insult others and then don't post their names. It's obvious to me. This kid's a scared little bitch!!! Ron
Title: pathways new format
Post by: butternationalist on May 28, 2003, 06:12:00 PM
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On 2003-05-27 22:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Why should I leave my name Ryan?  You would not do shit anyways.  You would hide behind everyone else.  Ups I was wrong, everyone would hide behind you wide ass.  You are boring child."

?This is one of those timeswhere i yet again have to steup up above and beyond this childishness. I may not be sober but you just proved that I have more responsibility as well as common sense and i have grown up. you can leave your name or you dont you can come find my "fat ass" or you wont. the bottom line is i dont come on to this site to talk shit and i never will. i come here to do something for the kids in these places, because they deserve it. you deserved it as well but it seems its too late and youve gotten bitter. ive been there too just call me if you were in there with me and we can discuss this like adults . Unless of course you still want to act like a five year old and hide. i have pity for people like you.  peace :nworthy:  ---smith
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Antigen on May 28, 2003, 06:12:00 PM
To all readers not directly familiar with PFC/Straight/Seed/Kids and other related cults:

First, god bless you and more power to ya' for coming around to find out what we're talking about. Understand that the way these people are bashing and thrashing at Ryan is just about exactly what you'd expect to hear in Group. According to the Program, this IS therapy!

Have a pleasant day and everyone count your blessings.

For the community to have 10% to 25% of its men unable to vote or unable to access credit or other privileges of citizenship for the rest of their lives in some states creates a permanently diminished
group within society.
Jeremy Travis, Urban Institute

Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2003, 08:13:00 PM
Ryan why dont u seek some help man.  Smoking crack with new graduates.  How messed up is that?  I may not agree with PFC but what u r doing is bullshit.  If u want to use so be it but dont take a child down with u.  Grow some balls.  And 4 all u reading this if u dont believe me I will get you proof if necessary.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2003, 10:21:00 PM
Ryan did you think people didn't know you were using. I think you need to tell Antigen and Medalgod8 your sorry.
Title: pathways new format
Post by: Antigen on June 02, 2003, 10:45:00 PM
:rofl: Yeah, right! If this is what crack does to ya', then by all means pass the pipe!

Do you know that saying things like that about people by name in a public place can actually be prosecuted as slander? What kind of "proof" could you possibly have for something like that? What, somebody got started over and brow beat till they confessed? We've all been there.

I know you think that your words are shocking and powerful. But you seem to forget that only fellow cult members are likely to give them any weight at all. The rest of us know you're "so full a shit your eyes are brown". Do they still use that one in Group, btw?
 

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones

Title: pathways new format
Post by: butternationalist on June 04, 2003, 01:30:00 PM
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On 2003-06-02 17:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ryan why dont u seek some help man.  Smoking crack with new graduates.  How messed up is that?  I may not agree with PFC but what u r doing is bullshit.  If u want to use so be it but dont take a child down with u.  Grow some balls.  And 4 all u reading this if u dont believe me I will get you proof if necessary."

You know it seems like these days everything you say you have to back up with "I Can Prove It" no you cant. if your wonderig yes i do hang out with ex-prisoners/ grads that do smoke crack.and that is their choice, Not Mine!! I have not been around it since i ran. but i dont even care about that. its funny where everybody gets their info from, pathway staff gives out more rumours than three fat ladies in a hair salon. im pret sure i know who this is and if im right and i find out im gonna laugh my ass off till my dying day. its kind of odd to think about, the whole time i was involved in pathway, i ws told i was loved and people cared. then one day i lef and ws never kindly spoken to by another person afilliated with that program except for those graduates recentlwho have drank. pathway loves you because of money i truly believe that deep down. ad just to let everyone know today is a hard day for this sHit P.F.C= SUCK A FATTY YOU BITCHES. That goes for anyone who supports pathway. and whoever is writing this stuff just let us know who the big coward behind the curtain is. i think im on toa pretty good idea of who it is.peace.... :skull: _-----smith
Title: pathways new format
Post by: butternationalist on June 04, 2003, 01:35:00 PM
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On 2003-06-02 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ryan did you think people didn't know you were using. I think you need to tell Antigen and Medalgod8 your sorry. "

why they both know i use?!? you know what this isnt pathwayland i dont hide it from anyone it doesnt bother me my parnts are in full knowledge of everything that goes on inmy life. as a matter of fact most of the ex-prisoners are hanging out at my folks house at least 1 or 2 times a week. i have no problem allowing the truth be told. i am who i am and nothing more nothing less. like it or leave it!! peace..... :tup: _----smith
Title: pathways new format
Post by: nakid2003 on June 05, 2003, 01:24:00 AM
"I've been in Pathway for awhile now. I don't consider myself being in a cult or being a mind rapist or a child abuser. I'am just a parent who love's his child."

i must say that you are a parent and do not know what the fuck you are talking about in the sense of what goes on in pathway. why? because all of us have actually been in pathway and had to endure the 24/7 hell for, most of us give or take a few months, 18 months. we know what goes on in there. and dont think that we are a bunch of kids who say fuck pathway because we are back to doing drugs and some of the same other stuff. i went throught that program, graduated and have not EVER relapsed using drugs and go to 12step meetings regularly, i have successfully become a productive member of society without pathway after they outcasted me from their aftercare program. dont be ignorant please.

Innocence implies the ability to restrain from the initiation of aggression, and to question those who don't.
Sorin Cucerai