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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: blove82 on May 24, 2007, 05:04:58 PM
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So after reading a lot of what has been said about Hyde on this forum, I'm finding myself a quite frustrated. I understand that I graduated 7 years ago, and a lot has changed since I left. I was there for 5 long years, I understand more than anyone the hell that Hyde can be. I will say this though, and it seems to be something that has been forgotten, Hyde is not supposed to be fun, it never was. The whole point of the school is to challenge yourself, and learn more about the person you can be.
When I arrived at Hyde, I was 15 years old and I was a spoiled brat that whined and cried to get her way. They fixed me of that, it took a lot of people getting in my face, being confronted about it almost daily, they confronted my parents and got them to stop babying me. It sucked, I hated them for it, they had ruined my little manipulation schemes. Looking back now, I am thankful for what they did, it helped me to be the person I am today. Also, I am eternally grateful to my parents for not having me attend the local high schools in my area. I would be a completely different person than I am today, and that person is not someone I would like to be.
I am the first person to admit that Hyde wasn't fun at all. If it was fun, you weren't doing something right, and that sucked.... When people ask me if boarding school was fun, that’s usually the response I give them.
I have lifelong friendships from Hyde, I grew and learned a lot about myself. I learned a lot mainly from the other students there. You don't need a Psychology or Psychiatry degree to help someone, all that matters is that you care and are speaking from experience. I don't know how things are there now, but when I was there they weren't brainwashing you as everyone claims they do. They want you to live by their standards of character while you are there, and hopefully when you leave you will take those standards on as your own. It's hard to do in the real world, I struggled with it for a very long time, and still do. The whole point though is that they are showing you the ideal. If everyone lived to the same set of standards, we would have far less problems. Taking Hyde's standards and applying them to the real world is very hard, but what in life is actually easy.
I know that a large majority of graduates fail again before they succeed. I know I did, it takes awhile to see what Hyde was trying to tell you. It takes awhile to realize that it does make sense, and you can actually apply it to your life. I learned so much about who I can be and who I want to be. I want my life to have a purpose, I want honesty, humility, integrity, and all of those things to matter in my life, and they do. They all play a role in the selection of friends, if I can't trust someone then I can't be friends with them. I'm getting a little off topic here. I guess what I am trying to say is that Hyde was never easy, it had it's fun moments but those are mainly the memories I have of spending time with my friends. Hyde cannot reprogram your child or you. Whether or not it takes, or works with your life is completely up to you. I never believed the school when they said as long as one side gets it, whether it’s the parents or the student, eventually everyone will come around. But it is true, I was very bitter when I graduated Hyde, I didn't believe that anything I learned there could ever help me. It took a long time for me to figure out why I was unhappy with my life, and it ultimately came down to the fact that I wasn't living my life to any standards of character.
I guess what it all comes down to is that Hyde isn't the miracle cure, the quick fix, or going to cause a definite amazing transformation. It takes time and work, and people need to understand this. If it doesn't work right away that doesn't mean it will never work. It's not easy, but nothing worthwhile in life is easy. Everything takes work. I just hope that people do understand and are willing to admit that they are things you learn at Hyde that do actually help you. It's just whether or not you choose to allow it to affect your life positively or negatively. We can all look at our experiences at Hyde and pick out the negative aspects, that’s the easy part. The hard part is looking inside yourself, and admitting that at one point in time you were a person that you weren't proud of. And whether or not Hyde played a major part in your change, if you attended the school, then it played some part in helping you grow as a person.
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I agree...I too needed a change and Hyde School was the place where I was "redirected". I don't know that it had to be that place, perhaps another would have sufficed. And I will never know if I am sucessful because of the place or inspite ot if. But, I will say that I do not look back fondly on those years like other nostalgic ex-high schoolers tend to do. The same as one would not look back fondly on a stint in rehab or a hospital admission. ..5th
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or a colonoscopy...5th
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...or a friggin' lobotomy!
Glad to see you back, 5th!
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or a colonoscopy...5th
I had a very attractive nurse do mine. I look back on it with fond memories, just the way I look back at Hyde. Yes, I took it up the pooper but they used KJ jelly. Too bad Joe is so ugly.
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So after reading a lot of what has been said about Hyde on this forum, I'm finding myself a quite frustrated. I understand that I graduated 7 years ago, and a lot has changed since I left. I was there for 5 long years, I understand more than anyone the hell that Hyde can be. I will say this though, and it seems to be something that has been forgotten, Hyde is not supposed to be fun, it never was. The whole point of the school is to challenge yourself, and learn more about the person you can be.
When I arrived at Hyde, I was 15 years old and I was a spoiled brat that whined and cried to get her way. They fixed me of that, it took a lot of people getting in my face, being confronted about it almost daily, they confronted my parents and got them to stop babying me. It sucked, I hated them for it, they had ruined my little manipulation schemes. Looking back now, I am thankful for what they did, it helped me to be the person I am today. Also, I am eternally grateful to my parents for not having me attend the local high schools in my area. I would be a completely different person than I am today, and that person is not someone I would like to be.
I am the first person to admit that Hyde wasn't fun at all. If it was fun, you weren't doing something right, and that sucked.... When people ask me if boarding school was fun, that’s usually the response I give them.
I have lifelong friendships from Hyde, I grew and learned a lot about myself. I learned a lot mainly from the other students there. You don't need a Psychology or Psychiatry degree to help someone, all that matters is that you care and are speaking from experience. I don't know how things are there now, but when I was there they weren't brainwashing you as everyone claims they do. They want you to live by their standards of character while you are there, and hopefully when you leave you will take those standards on as your own. It's hard to do in the real world, I struggled with it for a very long time, and still do. The whole point though is that they are showing you the ideal. If everyone lived to the same set of standards, we would have far less problems. Taking Hyde's standards and applying them to the real world is very hard, but what in life is actually easy.
I know that a large majority of graduates fail again before they succeed. I know I did, it takes awhile to see what Hyde was trying to tell you. It takes awhile to realize that it does make sense, and you can actually apply it to your life. I learned so much about who I can be and who I want to be. I want my life to have a purpose, I want honesty, humility, integrity, and all of those things to matter in my life, and they do. They all play a role in the selection of friends, if I can't trust someone then I can't be friends with them. I'm getting a little off topic here. I guess what I am trying to say is that Hyde was never easy, it had it's fun moments but those are mainly the memories I have of spending time with my friends. Hyde cannot reprogram your child or you. Whether or not it takes, or works with your life is completely up to you. I never believed the school when they said as long as one side gets it, whether it’s the parents or the student, eventually everyone will come around. But it is true, I was very bitter when I graduated Hyde, I didn't believe that anything I learned there could ever help me. It took a long time for me to figure out why I was unhappy with my life, and it ultimately came down to the fact that I wasn't living my life to any standards of character.
I guess what it all comes down to is that Hyde isn't the miracle cure, the quick fix, or going to cause a definite amazing transformation. It takes time and work, and people need to understand this. If it doesn't work right away that doesn't mean it will never work. It's not easy, but nothing worthwhile in life is easy. Everything takes work. I just hope that people do understand and are willing to admit that they are things you learn at Hyde that do actually help you. It's just whether or not you choose to allow it to affect your life positively or negatively. We can all look at our experiences at Hyde and pick out the negative aspects, that’s the easy part. The hard part is looking inside yourself, and admitting that at one point in time you were a person that you weren't proud of. And whether or not Hyde played a major part in your change, if you attended the school, then it played some part in helping you grow as a person.
I respect your beliefs about how Hyde helped you become the person you are. I don't question your sincerity. I've met other Hyde grads who feel as you do.
But none of this takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde was absolutely NOT the right place for me or many people I knew there. None of what you say takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde is also a school that has mistreated many people, emotionally abused many people, and mishandled both students and parents. What is indisputable is that Hyde is not able to meet the needs of many of the students who end up there, and that is very costly emotionally and financially. It certainly was for me and my family.
My family will NEVER forgive the incompetent Hyde staff we met, the staff who were abusive, the staff who didn't have the slightest clue about how to handle some of the deeply troubled kids who get sent there, the Hyde staff who preached one thing and then did another.
I'll be the first to admit that Hyde may "work" for some kids, like you. But I'll also be first in line to scream to anyone who will listen that Hyde is the worst possible school for too many students there. If Hyde only accepted students who fit your description, my guess is that it would have a tiny fraction of its current number of students. Hyde needs to fill beds, so it deludes itself and everyone else that it can handle all the students it admits. No way. So many of the Hyde teachers and others who were there when I was there didn't have the training, experience, or maturity to provide students what they really need. For that, Hyde needs to be exposed. It's fine to publicize success stories like yours, but Hyde also should be honest and admit its unbelievable shortcomings and failures.
Have you read the dozens of stories by people posting here about their horrific Hyde experiences, teacher scandals, mistreatment, etc.? Maybe you think all of this is exaggerated. I don't think it is.
Truth over harmony, right?
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I agree...I too needed a change and Hyde School was the place where I was "redirected". I don't know that it had to be that place, perhaps another would have sufficed. And I will never know if I am sucessful because of the place or inspite ot if. But, I will say that I do not look back fondly on those years like other nostalgic ex-high schoolers tend to do. The same as one would not look back fondly on a stint in rehab or a hospital admission. ..5th
It is hard to tell what part of Hyde is part of me. A dime store guru once told me "your path is your path" I am glad I went to Hyde. I am glad for all the little oddities of my life. I would not trade going to Hyde for anything. It was a unique experience. It was a part of how I got to where I am now.
With that said, Hyde has warts all over it. That does not mean you can not profit from the experience, or thrive from it. The reality is that Hyde fucked ( OMG a potty word) some people up. The reality is the some people realty do need professional help and the atmosphere is just not conducive to healing for certain types of conditions, say drug induced psychosis from amphetamine use for example. The stazi like "most dynamic peer environment" really does not help when you are struggling with paranoia. Having a lummox with a bad comb over, worse golf pant and a Mr Rogers cardigan scream at you from a stage really did not do a lot for me. At that point in my life I was thinking "another fucked up adult to deal with." There were some positive experiences. I am afraid many of them were accidental, and not part of the grand character education plan if one ever existed.
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...it takes awhile to see what Hyde was trying to tell you.
Tell me? Or sell me on?
Do tell, friend, where is it written that growing up and becoming a better person disallows having fun? It sounds to me, with all due respect, that you are still stuck in the mindset that all things of value are only obtained via punishment and suffering. I thought that archaic concept was successfully debunked quite some time ago. It really is just leftover remnants from Feudal times, when The Church wanted to ensure some vestige of compliance and so-called cash flow from those unruly dirty Pagans... (http://http://www.mundoblaineo.com/sounds/imapagan.wav)
And... sorry to say this, but I don't think I've ever met a single normal teenager who did not whine about this or that. Seems to me you've allowed yourself to be talked into more self-abasement than you deserve. How indeed would a normal prep school have dealt with that? Probably ignored it. 'Cause you know, in five years, you would probably have outgrown it anyway!
You don't need a Psychology or Psychiatry degree to help someone, all that matters is that you care and are speaking from experience.
I would say it all depends on the kind of "help" you're giving. Are you talking about friend-to-friend? Or are you talking about an institution that takes a kid who has been diagnosed with Major Depression, and who then tells this kid that their lack of self-esteem and seeming inability to make "progress" has nothing with said diagnosis, and yet everything to do with the fact that they are a loser, and that if they were honest with themselves they would have to admit that calling it "depression" is a cop-out?
Seems to me that Hyde doles out some pretty dangerous mind-fuckery. If everyone lived according to Hyde's "standards," we wouldn't have to worry so much about population control.
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I don't know how things are there now, but when I was there they weren't brainwashing you as everyone claims they do.
oh, bite me. you did 5 yrs of sussing the koolaid when you were there, and another 5 yrs sussing since you got out. yer perfused, girl!
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I agree...I too needed a change and Hyde School was the place where I was "redirected". I don't know that it had to be that place, perhaps another would have sufficed. And I will never know if I am sucessful because of the place or inspite ot if. But, I will say that I do not look back fondly on those years like other nostalgic ex-high schoolers tend to do. The same as one would not look back fondly on a stint in rehab or a hospital admission. ..5th
It is hard to tell what part of Hyde is part of me. A dime store guru once told me "your path is your path" I am glad I went to Hyde. I am glad for all the little oddities of my life. I would not trade going to Hyde for anything. It was a unique experience. It was a part of how I got to where I am now.
With that said, Hyde has warts all over it. That does not mean you can not profit from the experience, or thrive from it. The reality is that Hyde fucked ( OMG a potty word) some people up. The reality is the some people realty do need professional help and the atmosphere is just not conducive to healing for certain types of conditions, say drug induced psychosis from amphetamine use for example. The stazi like "most dynamic peer environment" really does not help when you are struggling with paranoia. Having a lummox with a bad comb over, worse golf pant and a Mr Rogers cardigan scream at you from a stage really did not do a lot for me. At that point in my life I was thinking "another fucked up adult to deal with." There were some positive experiences. I am afraid many of them were accidental, and not part of the grand character education plan if one ever existed.
I admire people like you who carry your suffering like a talisman. I am one of the unlucky ones who would chuck it into the nearest trash can. In my more frustrated and cynical moments I think that you alchemists, who transmute lead into gold, are arrogant boasters. You seem to be saying, "I would not be such a wonderful person if anything in my life had been different" or "I would not be such a success if anything in my life had been different." But whether you are really able to derive such profit from the bad times as well as the good, your belief in your ability to do so is so palpable and genuine that I envy you nevertheless. I imagine that there is a limit to the suffering that you would be willing to accept, and that this limit is different for different people. As for me, the best use to which I can turn my past sorrows is not to let them become an excuse for my present sorrows, lest all hope for future happiness be lost.
Mike
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I agree...I too needed a change and Hyde School was the place where I was "redirected". I don't know that it had to be that place, perhaps another would have sufficed. And I will never know if I am sucessful because of the place or inspite ot if. But, I will say that I do not look back fondly on those years like other nostalgic ex-high schoolers tend to do. The same as one would not look back fondly on a stint in rehab or a hospital admission. ..5th
It is hard to tell what part of Hyde is part of me. A dime store guru once told me "your path is your path" I am glad I went to Hyde. I am glad for all the little oddities of my life. I would not trade going to Hyde for anything. It was a unique experience. It was a part of how I got to where I am now.
With that said, Hyde has warts all over it. That does not mean you can not profit from the experience, or thrive from it. The reality is that Hyde fucked ( OMG a potty word) some people up. The reality is the some people realty do need professional help and the atmosphere is just not conducive to healing for certain types of conditions, say drug induced psychosis from amphetamine use for example. The stazi like "most dynamic peer environment" really does not help when you are struggling with paranoia. Having a lummox with a bad comb over, worse golf pant and a Mr Rogers cardigan scream at you from a stage really did not do a lot for me. At that point in my life I was thinking "another fucked up adult to deal with." There were some positive experiences. I am afraid many of them were accidental, and not part of the grand character education plan if one ever existed.
You have made a key point: The "good" that happened to you at Hyde was often accidental and had nothing to do with Hyde's oversized, exaggerated rhetoric about character education. Some good stuff happened to you while you were at Hyde, but not BECAUSE of Hyde. I agree with you that Hyde is exactly the wrong environment for many of its students, and that some of the Hyde staff are downright embarrassing.
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Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.
Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations
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I agree...I too needed a change and Hyde School was the place where I was "redirected". I don't know that it had to be that place, perhaps another would have sufficed. And I will never know if I am sucessful because of the place or inspite ot if. But, I will say that I do not look back fondly on those years like other nostalgic ex-high schoolers tend to do. The same as one would not look back fondly on a stint in rehab or a hospital admission. ..5th
It is hard to tell what part of Hyde is part of me. A dime store guru once told me "your path is your path" I am glad I went to Hyde. I am glad for all the little oddities of my life. I would not trade going to Hyde for anything. It was a unique experience. It was a part of how I got to where I am now.
With that said, Hyde has warts all over it. That does not mean you can not profit from the experience, or thrive from it. The reality is that Hyde fucked ( OMG a potty word) some people up. The reality is the some people realty do need professional help and the atmosphere is just not conducive to healing for certain types of conditions, say drug induced psychosis from amphetamine use for example. The stazi like "most dynamic peer environment" really does not help when you are struggling with paranoia. Having a lummox with a bad comb over, worse golf pant and a Mr Rogers cardigan scream at you from a stage really did not do a lot for me. At that point in my life I was thinking "another fucked up adult to deal with." There were some positive experiences. I am afraid many of them were accidental, and not part of the grand character education plan if one ever existed.
You have made a key point: The "good" that happened to you at Hyde was often accidental and had nothing to do with Hyde's oversized, exaggerated rhetoric about character education. Some good stuff happened to you while you were at Hyde, but not BECAUSE of Hyde. I agree with you that Hyde is exactly the wrong environment for many of its students, and that some of the Hyde staff are downright embarrassing.
The rhetoric was oversized because it was filled with a whole lot of hot air.
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It's fine to publicize success stories... but Hyde also should be honest and admit its unbelievable shortcomings and failures.
No there's a fine example of a fat chance in Hell. Hyde is about as honest as WC Fields is skinny.
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Sorry, meant to say "Now there's a fine example..."
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Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.
Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations
The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."
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Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.
Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations
The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."
I though it was
"I am that I am tough loving you"
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Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.
Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations
The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."
I though it was
"I am that I am tough loving you"
I do believe "Tough Love" was a cliche' originally coined by the so called drug warriors to rationalize any number of their moves... Many of the so called drug warriors did business in the "Troubled Teen" industry in earlier incarnations of their careers. A cloak of seemingly different colors but actually same philosophy, same target: errant uncontrollables, dangerously ready to upset the apple cart of the status quo...
:lol:
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Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.
Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations
The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."
I though it was
"I am that I am tough loving you"
I do believe "Tough Love" was a cliche' originally coined by the so called drug warriors to rationalize any number of their moves... Many of the so called drug warriors did business in the "Troubled Teen" industry in earlier incarnations of their careers. A cloak of seemingly different colors but actually same philosophy, same target: errant uncontrollables, dangerously ready to upset the apple cart of the status quo...
:lol:
No, no. Forty years in the desert. The original "wilderness program."
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I respect your beliefs about how Hyde helped you become the person you are. I don't question your sincerity. I've met other Hyde grads who feel as you do.
But none of this takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde was absolutely NOT the right place for me or many people I knew there. None of what you say takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde is also a school that has mistreated many people, emotionally abused many people, and mishandled both students and parents. What is indisputable is that Hyde is not able to meet the needs of many of the students who end up there, and that is very costly emotionally and financially. It certainly was for me and my family.
My family will NEVER forgive the incompetent Hyde staff we met, the staff who were abusive, the staff who didn't have the slightest clue about how to handle some of the deeply troubled kids who get sent there, the Hyde staff who preached one thing and then did another.
I'll be the first to admit that Hyde may "work" for some kids, like you. But I'll also be first in line to scream to anyone who will listen that Hyde is the worst possible school for too many students there. If Hyde only accepted students who fit your description, my guess is that it would have a tiny fraction of its current number of students. Hyde needs to fill beds, so it deludes itself and everyone else that it can handle all the students it admits. No way. So many of the Hyde teachers and others who were there when I was there didn't have the training, experience, or maturity to provide students what they really need. For that, Hyde needs to be exposed. It's fine to publicize success stories like yours, but Hyde also should be honest and admit its unbelievable shortcomings and failures.
Have you read the dozens of stories by people posting here about their horrific Hyde experiences, teacher scandals, mistreatment, etc.? Maybe you think all of this is exaggerated. I don't think it is.
Truth over harmony, right?
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I respect your beliefs about how Hyde helped you become the person you are. I don't question your sincerity. I've met other Hyde grads who feel as you do.
But none of this takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde was absolutely NOT the right place for me or many people I knew there. None of what you say takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde is also a school that has mistreated many people, emotionally abused many people, and mishandled both students and parents. What is indisputable is that Hyde is not able to meet the needs of many of the students who end up there, and that is very costly emotionally and financially. It certainly was for me and my family.
My family will NEVER forgive the incompetent Hyde staff we met, the staff who were abusive, the staff who didn't have the slightest clue about how to handle some of the deeply troubled kids who get sent there, the Hyde staff who preached one thing and then did another.
I'll be the first to admit that Hyde may "work" for some kids, like you. But I'll also be first in line to scream to anyone who will listen that Hyde is the worst possible school for too many students there. If Hyde only accepted students who fit your description, my guess is that it would have a tiny fraction of its current number of students. Hyde needs to fill beds, so it deludes itself and everyone else that it can handle all the students it admits. No way. So many of the Hyde teachers and others who were there when I was there didn't have the training, experience, or maturity to provide students what they really need. For that, Hyde needs to be exposed. It's fine to publicize success stories like yours, but Hyde also should be honest and admit its unbelievable shortcomings and failures.
Have you read the dozens of stories by people posting here about their horrific Hyde experiences, teacher scandals, mistreatment, etc.? Maybe you think all of this is exaggerated. I don't think it is.
Truth over harmony, right?
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I've been thinking about blove82's post, and wondering whether blove82 might not regret ever having posted said musings, given the apparent hornet's nest she/he seems to have wandered into. Clearly quite a lot of people are less than happy with their or their family's experience of Hyde, and have seen fit to express it.
But there was an earnest and perhaps unassailable core, namely:
I want my life to have a purpose, I want honesty, humility, integrity, and all of those things to matter in my life, and they do.
I think all of us can relate to that sentiment, perhaps substituting some other qualities for the ones noted, perhaps not, but certainly, at any rate, laudable attributes can be called to mind that one might strive for...
I think many of us, and/or many of our parents, were attracted to Hyde for seemingly idealistic reasons. And whether or not this was the original attraction or incentive, it certainly figured into the equation before commitment to attend was finalized.
Consequently, I think a good deal of the anger, certainly in my case it contributes significantly, stems from the blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy that Hyde operates under. You could say Hyde doesn't put its money where its mouth is. Time and time again, what is said and what is done do not appear to be originating from the same source...
Another source of much MUCH anger stems from actual destructive acts that Hyde has engaged in. One can attribute ignorance or obtuseness to but some of these. In an appallingly great number of cases, it certainly would appear, and certainly is experienced as such by the victims, as wanton and vindictive acts. While I am sure that said descriptive cannot be applied to all cases, one thing is for sure: when threatened, Hyde closes ranks and protects their own, regardless of what they did, or the truth of the matter, or the consequences of their actions on the kids they have been entrusted to.
And what, pray tell, rends the qualifying distinction of "their own?" They who spout the party line. Period.
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So many of the Hyde teachers and others who were there when I was there didn't have the training, experience, or maturity to provide students what they really need.
Its not just a question of training or maturity, its the philosophy of the place that they think they can tell you how to judge your life. Or anyone's life, for that matter. And that gets pretty hairy sometimes, when mistakes are made.
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I've been thinking about blove82's post, and wondering whether blove82 might not regret ever having posted said musings, given the apparent hornet's nest she/he seems to have wandered into. Clearly quite a lot of people are less than happy with their or their family's experience of Hyde, and have seen fit to express it.
But there was an earnest and perhaps unassailable core, namely:
I want my life to have a purpose, I want honesty, humility, integrity, and all of those things to matter in my life, and they do.
I think all of us can relate to that sentiment, perhaps substituting some other qualities for the ones noted, perhaps not, but certainly, at any rate, laudable attributes can be called to mind that one might strive for...
I think many of us, and/or many of our parents, were attracted to Hyde for seemingly idealistic reasons. And whether or not this was the original attraction or incentive, it certainly figured into the equation before commitment to attend was finalized.
Consequently, I think a good deal of the anger, certainly in my case it contributes significantly, stems from the blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy that Hyde operates under. You could say Hyde doesn't put its money where its mouth is. Time and time again, what is said and what is done do not appear to be originating from the same source...
Another source of much MUCH anger stems from actual destructive acts that Hyde has engaged in. One can attribute ignorance or obtuseness to but some of these. In an appallingly great number of cases, it certainly would appear, and certainly is experienced as such by the victims, as wanton and vindictive acts. While I am sure that said descriptive cannot be applied to all cases, one thing is for sure: when threatened, Hyde closes ranks and protects their own, regardless of what they did, or the truth of the matter, or the consequences of their actions on the kids they have been entrusted to.
And what, pray tell, rends the qualifying distinction of "their own?" They who spout the party line. Period.
As you say, "many of us, and/or many of our parents, were attracted to Hyde for seemingly idealistic reasons. And whether or not this was the original attraction or incentive, it certainly figured into the equation before commitment to attend was finalized."
That certainly describes what happened to my family. The Hyde pamphlets said all the right things. It also sound pretty good during the interviews.
It took us about two months to figure out that Hyde is full of itself and full of the kind of stark hypocrisy you point out in your comments. During our Hyde experience we encountered instance after instance of teachers and students who didn't even come close to the Hyde ideals. In fact, often they were downright polar opposites. Once we realized how hypocritical and incompetent many Hyde personnel are, we decided to head for the hills.
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This poster mentions she was 15 upon entering hyde and there for 5 years. If hyde is a high school why would it keep a 20 yr old young adult. Wouldnt this not stunt the young persons emotional development somewhat.
Arent most American kids in their second year of Uni by this age?
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Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.
Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations
The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."
I though it was
"I am that I am tough loving you"
I do believe "Tough Love" was a cliche' originally coined by the so called drug warriors to rationalize any number of their moves... Many of the so called drug warriors did business in the "Troubled Teen" industry in earlier incarnations of their careers. A cloak of seemingly different colors but actually same philosophy, same target: errant uncontrollables, dangerously ready to upset the apple cart of the status quo...
:lol:
No, no. Forty years in the desert. The original "wilderness program."
And the Tom McCaffery canoe trip was just a reprise of the great flood.
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This poster mentions she was 15 upon entering hyde and there for 5 years. If hyde is a high school why would it keep a 20 yr old young adult. Wouldnt this not stunt the young persons emotional development somewhat.
Arent most American kids in their second year of Uni by this age?
I do wish blove82 would answer this?
I am guessing that perhaps the obligatory summer session is counted towards the 5th year and that, in fact, it was only 4 academic years in addition to that?
Hyde is infamous for "strongly recommending that a student return for a Senior Leadership year," the spoken or unspoken corollary being that said student will not receive a diploma otherwise, but a lowly and most ordinary "certificate."
This issue has been frequently discussed off-topic in the threads. Here is a link to a recent such discussion: http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689&start=437 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689&start=437)
That said, I do remember a guy during my time who was 20 or 21 due to his "delayed character growth." Always felt bad for him. That place did nothing to help him believe in his best...
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That said, I do remember a guy during my time who was 20 or 21 due to his "delayed character growth." Always felt bad for him. That place did nothing to help him believe in his best...
Was his name Phil? Dark reddish hair and freckles......
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And the Tom McCaffery canoe trip was just a reprise of the great flood.
What year was that? I was on a trip he led in summer of 1975...
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And the Tom McCaffery canoe trip was just a reprise of the great flood.
What year was that? I was on a trip he led in summer of 1975...
I was dodging oil tankers in the fog on penobscot bay in the summer of 75. What I heard from the Tom Terrific trip was the watch group camped on the flood plain below a large water impoundment. A whistle blew. Some how in his vast training as a wilderness guide while attending Brown he skipped class the day the subject of water release from damns was discussed. The group had to break camp in a hurry to avoid the rising water. I understand there are no more dory trips. Too bad. That is one of the thing I liked about hyde.
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And the Tom McCaffery canoe trip was just a reprise of the great flood.
What year was that? I was on a trip he led in summer of 1975...
I was dodging oil tankers in the fog on penobscot bay in the summer of 75. What I heard from the Tom Terrific trip was the watch group camped on the flood plain below a large water impoundment. A whistle blew. Some how in his vast training as a wilderness guide while attending Brown he skipped class the day the subject of water release from damns was discussed. The group had to break camp in a hurry to avoid the rising water. I understand there are no more dory trips. Too bad. That is one of the thing I liked about hyde.
Meanwhile ... Malcolm and Paul Hurd, before their incarnation as headmasters, were great outdoorsmen. On the second leg of our canoe trip we were paddling along about a mile downriver from Moosehead Lake. Malcolm and Paul had all the maps and everything like that but they were not aces at reading them. The river narrowed and started churning and pretty soon our canoes were out of control. As his canoe starts to spin, Hurd starts screaming. The screaming starts not making sense to us, but now Hurd's voice is going up in pitch. He's screaming just as loud, but his voice is rising. His voice is going up higher and higher, and pretty soon his voice comes to just a little squeak coming out of him. He jumps on to some rocks just as his canoe is thrown against them and smashed to bits along with a second canoe and most of our supplies.
Malcolm and Hurd decide it will be safer to ford and as we are wading through the shallows one of the kids goes under. We are wading along and this kid just disappears under our nose. We hold on to rocks and branches and grope with the other hand for long minutes but we can't find this kid. When it seemed pretty hopeless someone caught hold of a leg and all together we are able to pull him up out of the suction. He had been pushed by the current straight to the bottom of the river but his face had been wedged under a rock and he was able to breathe from an air pocket that had formed there. He shared this experience in a school meeting after we got back to Bath, before his parents yanked him out of the program, and said he had found religion in that river.
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Meanwhile ... Malcolm and Paul Hurd, before their incarnation as headmasters, were great outdoorsmen.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Can't read maps, smashed two canoes, lost most of the supplies, and almost got a kid killed... Exactly what kind of "outdoorsmen" are you thinking of?!
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Meanwhile ... Malcolm and Paul Hurd, before their incarnation as headmasters, were great outdoorsmen.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Can't read maps, smashed two canoes, lost most of the supplies, and almost got a kid killed... Exactly what kind of "outdoorsmen" are you thinking of?!
John Voight, Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty, that kind.
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Meanwhile ... Malcolm and Paul Hurd, before their incarnation as headmasters, were great outdoorsmen.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Can't read maps, smashed two canoes, lost most of the supplies, and almost got a kid killed... Exactly what kind of "outdoorsmen" are you thinking of?!
John Voight, Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty, that kind.
Yeah.... "Deliverance" .......sounds just about right.
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Meanwhile ... Malcolm and Paul Hurd, before their incarnation as headmasters, were great outdoorsmen.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Can't read maps, smashed two canoes, lost most of the supplies, and almost got a kid killed... Exactly what kind of "outdoorsmen" are you thinking of?!
I think that may well have been the first year those two guys were back from college (and hence involved again with Hyde on a more daily basis)... Just what kind of experience did these two fools have trekking out in the wilderness? They are lucky Hyde did not lose someone on their watch!
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And the Tom McCaffery canoe trip was just a reprise of the great flood.
What year was that? I was on a trip he led in summer of 1975...
I was dodging oil tankers in the fog on penobscot bay in the summer of 75. What I heard from the Tom Terrific trip was the watch group camped on the flood plain below a large water impoundment. A whistle blew. Some how in his vast training as a wilderness guide while attending Brown he skipped class the day the subject of water release from damns was discussed. The group had to break camp in a hurry to avoid the rising water. I understand there are no more dory trips. Too bad. That is one of the thing I liked about hyde.
Meanwhile ... Malcolm and Paul Hurd, before their incarnation as headmasters, were great outdoorsmen. On the second leg of our canoe trip we were paddling along about a mile downriver from Moosehead Lake. Malcolm and Paul had all the maps and everything like that but they were not aces at reading them. The river narrowed and started churning and pretty soon our canoes were out of control. As his canoe starts to spin, Hurd starts screaming. The screaming starts not making sense to us, but now Hurd's voice is going up in pitch. He's screaming just as loud, but his voice is rising. His voice is going up higher and higher, and pretty soon his voice comes to just a little squeak coming out of him. He jumps on to some rocks just as his canoe is thrown against them and smashed to bits along with a second canoe and most of our supplies.
Malcolm and Hurd decide it will be safer to ford and as we are wading through the shallows one of the kids goes under. We are wading along and this kid just disappears under our nose. We hold on to rocks and branches and grope with the other hand for long minutes but we can't find this kid. When it seemed pretty hopeless someone caught hold of a leg and all together we are able to pull him up out of the suction. He had been pushed by the current straight to the bottom of the river but his face had been wedged under a rock and he was able to breathe from an air pocket that had formed there. He shared this experience in a school meeting after we got back to Bath, before his parents yanked him out of the program, and said he had found religion in that river.
They call that baptism by immersion.
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theyre assholes and idiots, not "fools".
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Meanwhile ... Malcolm and Paul Hurd, before their incarnation as headmasters, were great outdoorsmen.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Can't read maps, smashed two canoes, lost most of the supplies, and almost got a kid killed... Exactly what kind of "outdoorsmen" are you thinking of?!
John Voight, Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty, that kind.
Yeah.... "Deliverance" .......sounds just about right.
Having seen that movie and discovering that Angelina Jolie is Voight's daughter just spoiled it for me. Every time I look at her I think of her dad in deliverance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jolie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jolie)
"Come on piggy, give me a ride...Looks like we got us a sow here, instead of a boar....I bet you can squeal like a pig."
Was that the movie or the outhouse dorm? I can't remember.
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What year?
The outhouse started out as a boy's dorm, later became a girl's dorm, no?
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Meanwhile ... Malcolm and Paul Hurd, before their incarnation as headmasters, were great outdoorsmen.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Can't read maps, smashed two canoes, lost most of the supplies, and almost got a kid killed... Exactly what kind of "outdoorsmen" are you thinking of?!
John Voight, Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty, that kind.
Yeah.... "Deliverance" .......sounds just about right.
Having seen that movie and discovering that Angelina Jolie is Voight's daughter just spoiled it for me. Every time I look at her I think of her dad in deliverance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jolie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jolie)
"Come on piggy, give me a ride...Looks like we got us a sow here, instead of a boar....I bet you can squeal like a pig."
Was that the movie or the outhouse dorm? I can't remember.
I didn't know that about Angelina Jolie and I didn't know that about the Outhouse. I was there in the summer of '75. Who was squealing?
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Yeah, but Deliverance sure brings back some memories, eh? Holy shit; I saw that at too early an age.
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Yeah, but Deliverance sure brings back some memories, eh? Holy shit; I saw that at too early an age.
That's when I stopped eating bacon. People thought it was for religious reasons.
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Yeah, but Deliverance sure brings back some memories, eh? Holy shit; I saw that at too early an age.
That's when I stopped eating bacon. People thought it was for religious reasons.
I haven't stopped eating bacon. But I've become very leery of other people in the woods. That's an environment where I prefer to be totally by myself.
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Meanwhile ... Malcolm and Paul Hurd, before their incarnation as headmasters, were great outdoorsmen.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Can't read maps, smashed two canoes, lost most of the supplies, and almost got a kid killed... Exactly what kind of "outdoorsmen" are you thinking of?!
John Voight, Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty, that kind.
Yeah.... "Deliverance" .......sounds just about right.
Having seen that movie and discovering that Angelina Jolie is Voight's daughter just spoiled it for me. Every time I look at her I think of her dad in deliverance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jolie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelina_Jolie)
"Come on piggy, give me a ride...Looks like we got us a sow here, instead of a boar....I bet you can squeal like a pig."
Was that the movie or the outhouse dorm? I can't remember.
I didn't know that about Angelina Jolie and I didn't know that about the Outhouse. I was there in the summer of '75. Who was squealing?
There was a bit of the "love that dares not speak it's name" There was a group of boys. Remember, gayness was a character defect or an opportunity for certain male staff members. I wondered about Joe. His visreal revolution with homosexual men must mask an attraction. Perhaps there were some drunken threesomes: Joe Blanche and Sumner. Why is Gi Gi so short?
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revulsion
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There was a bit of the "love that dares not speak it's name" There was a group of boys. Remember, gayness was a character defect or an opportunity for certain male staff members. I wondered about Joe. His visreal revolution with homosexual men must mask an attraction. Perhaps there were some drunken threesomes: Joe Blanche and Sumner. Why is Gi Gi so short?
Blanche was way too conservative. Prudently so. Perhaps Joe thought he was finally living it up when he snagged AVH.
The shortness may have something to do with conditions at conception. Just how much drinking did Blanche do at that time?
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I keep seeing a recuring theme in this thread that frankly I find absolutely distrubing. The idea that even a select portion of the population could benifit from what Hyde calls treatment frightens me.
- No child deserves abusive treatment for any reason.
- No child should be humiliated, degraded, belittled, and marginalized in the name of treatment for any reason what so ever.
So what if a small portion of the population benifits from Hyde's methodology? No child should have to experience that sort of treatment in the first place. Hyde like any other facility could be the sort of place that prides itself on its humane and compassionate outlook. Instead they use their own patented blend of breaking a child down to build them up.
Obviously empowerment of children never came into the equation.