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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 22, 2007, 08:15:50 PM
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BAN the FUCKEr!!!
http://http://www.freepowerboards.com/strugglingppl/viewtopic.php?p=170#170
Let's get TSW banned on Psy's new board. Apparently the natives are crying because he said the word "twat" and "fucker". Also he had the gal to ask some parent if the only reason they sent their kid to a program was do to smoking weed!
LET's Get hIM BANNED!
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I CONCURR.
BAN THAT GUY! HE ABUSES CHILDREN AND MAKES THEM SING KOREAN POP SONGS IN KO-GAL OUTFITS (even if they're boys) FOR BEER MONEY!
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It's about time someone did something. His posts are poisoning our crystalline well of perfection. Time for him to go.
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His mean and insensitive approach is destroying UTOPIA!
GET HIM BANNED!!
Also be warned survivors..
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no. My guess is that he won't be banned. It's up for a vote, but a majority of both survivors _and_ parents have to aggree that his behavior is out of line. Either way, it's out of my hands. anybody who requests it can initiate a ban, like a FPS, after which it is voted on... RTFM before blasting "utopia".
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What TSW doesn't seem to understand is that smoking pot is a serious offense that requires immediate intervention. Since he is not a parent he could not understand how serious pot smoking is. Kids are dying right now with pot smoke exhaled as their last breath, and you make jokes about it and talk like it's no big deal. Shame on you TSW. Shame on everyone who belittles the negative and life altering effects of Marijuana. I used to be a beautiful girl, now I am ugly. All thanks to pot. It destroyed the elasticity in my titties and now they sag uncontrollably. How am I supposed to make love with my titties on the ground? How?
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Come on, no witch hunt, Personally I think TSW would be an excellent asset to your web site. Just the maturity alone along with how well he relates to what parents are going thru. This is more than enough to attract many readers and make parents feel comfortable enough to stay and talk about what they have gone thru. I wouldn’t go with what the majority has to say.
If parents are not sure about him have them come over to fornits and see how he has treated program parents and survivors in the past. The past is typically the best indication to what the future holds. Oh, wait a minute, all his old posts were erased by accident, when the new database was installed. But I am sure they were all compassionate, he is just that type of guy. I vote to have him stay.
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How am I supposed to make love with my titties on the ground? How?
Well, you might consider tying them into an attractive bow... :D
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What TSW doesn't seem to understand is that smoking pot is a serious offense that requires immediate intervention. Since he is not a parent he could not understand how serious pot smoking is. Kids are dying right now with pot smoke exhaled as their last breath, and you make jokes about it and talk like it's no big deal. Shame on you TSW. Shame on everyone who belittles the negative and life altering effects of Marijuana. I used to be a beautiful girl, now I am ugly. All thanks to pot. It destroyed the elasticity in my titties and now they sag uncontrollably. How am I supposed to make love with my titties on the ground? How?
SOMEONE PUT THIS IN THEIR SIGNATURE!
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Come on, no witch hunt, Personally I think TSW would be an excellent asset to your web site. Just the maturity alone along with how well he relates to what parents are going thru. This is more than enough to attract many readers and make parents feel comfortable enough to stay and talk about what they have gone thru. I wouldn’t go with what the majority has to say.
If parents are not sure about him have them come over to fornits and see how he has treated program parents and survivors in the past. The past is typically the best indication to what the future holds. Oh, wait a minute, all his old posts were erased by accident, when the new database was installed. But I am sure they were all compassionate, he is just that type of guy. I vote to have him stay.
do your research... stop talking out of anus. TSW deleted his posts. we all know this. it is no big fucking secret. he had a really good reason for doing so at the time. somebody (sue sue and company) were trying to stalk him, discover his identity, and he deleted his posts because it was quicker than going back and figuring out what personal information he might have let slip.. he posted a lot. Yes there was a technical snafu that resulted in collateral damage to the database... I could explain more but it would probably bore you unless you find relational databased design entertaining.
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I made my vote. Bann me.
Even reading that forum makes me queasy.
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What TSW doesn't seem to understand is that smoking pot is a serious offense that requires immediate intervention. Since he is not a parent he could not understand how serious pot smoking is. Kids are dying right now with pot smoke exhaled as their last breath, and you make jokes about it and talk like it's no big deal. Shame on you TSW. Shame on everyone who belittles the negative and life altering effects of Marijuana. I used to be a beautiful girl, now I am ugly. All thanks to pot. It destroyed the elasticity in my titties and now they sag uncontrollably. How am I supposed to make love with my titties on the ground? How?
It's to long. Would you settle for the titties on the ground part or do you want the whole thing in a signature?
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http://www.freepowerboards.com/struggli ... ?p=181#181 (http://www.freepowerboards.com/strugglingppl/viewtopic.php?p=181#181)
My final post on the New Struggling Retards board as TSW.
Enjoy.
I know reggie white's son will remember it all with fond memories.
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This discussion board is part of a large and active Internet site, consisting of about 6,000 pages of information for parents of at-risk children, averaging more than 2,000 unique visitors a day.
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Good luck, and let us know if there is anything we can do to help.
that ST asshole, IECA
Certified Educational Planner
HB
You are fortunate to live out west, where most of the wilderness programs are. Aspen, a reputable company owns several (you can google Aspen for the names). SageWalk in OR, Second Nature in UT, SUWS are popular choices. Try to avoid state run programs.
You may get some of wilderness or residential treatment covered by your insurance. It is worth a try.
You have been through a lot. Make sure to take care of yourself as well throughout this process!
Helene
My reply:
Thank you so much for your private message. I'm a bit slow in responding as I have to be careful about what I do on my home computer. No telling what Michael would do if he found a bunch of website links for programs.
I really am worried about Michael attempting to run away from any wilderness program. He isn't the sort that scares from a challenge. Primitive living in the wilderness is something he is quite comfortable at doing. Last summer he won a bet against me, when we were backpacking the Wonderland trail around Mt. Ranier, when he didn't once use matches to start any sort of fire the entire time. Living off the land wouldn't be difficult for him at all. He already is an accomplished hunter and fisherman. He knows how to make snares, slings, and other ways to catch fish than using a fishng pole.
Are you sure one of these programs would be a good idea for Michael? What would they do if he ran away? Could they go find him?
Hb sends me a different private message:
Since I live in the northeast, we used a company out of Maryland, but you will find someone closer that will cost less . I suggest contacting SUWS (I assume that is the program- excellant choice) for suggestions on companies they have used. That is how we found the escorts that we used (from our son's wilderness in NY).
It is such an emotional time that I would hire the escorts to make life easier on you (and your son). They do this all of the time and are worth the money. You are right to keep your plans a secret.
This is a very stressful time for you right now but feel free to contact any parents on the site for support. There are quite a few proactive dads here. Good luck to you. Michael will thank you one day! Helene
I replied:
I have decided on SUWS. Michael will be leaving in the next couple of days. I just have to iron out a few of the details. I will keep you all posted!
Rochelle says:
Good luck!
Just for your info. We used Dana Doering in Seattle as an ed consultant. She was great. My daughter went to second nature wildneress it Utah. It was fantastic. Then went to island view RTC. I have mixed feelings about that. Now at High Frontier in Texas - seems like a really great program, but island view might be more appopriate therapeutically.
Good luck. I wouldn't feel guilty about using transporters if it comes to that, they are great.
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Rochelle
I reply:
Thank you so much for your input. I haven't gotten to far along with a school for after this wilderness program. Right now I am just trying to nail down which wilderness program. It will either be Second Nature or Suws.
Rochelle Says:
I can't say enough positive things about second nature (which my daughter says was the BEST wilderness program). I really think you are making a difficult but necessary decision that speaks of your love for your son. I'm totally convinced it saved my daughters life (though the story is certainly not over)!! The folks at second nature were really helpful figuring out placement afterwards, so you have some time.
Best of luck!!
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Rochelle
I reply:
Thank you for your thoughtful responses. I've decided to go with SUWS. It is far closer to home, and my brother has checked it out with some of this friend's in Law Enforcement.
I am thinking an escort might be the wise choice though. Any thoughts on this matter?
Rochelle replies:
posted February 14, 2007 09:22 PM February 14, 2007 09:22 PM
I was really glad we used an escort. We were scared she would run, and honestly I was scared she would attack the escort (we even searched her room for knives). She's not the typical girl. Really tough, fearless and STRONG. They handled it really well, and it helped not to have the emotions and it let her know we were totally serious.
I used Bill Lane and associates (http://www.billlaneandassociates.com/ (http://www.billlaneandassociates.com/)), twice (long unfortunate story) and was very happy with them. They send a team that you meet ahead of time. Do cost a lot...
Good luck. It sounds to me like you have a good kid who's gone haywire because of his Mom, teenagehood etc. I really believe you are doing the right thing!
I reply:
Thank you so much. I thought the two years of counseling we did together after his mother passed away was enough for both of us. I feel terrible that I stopped. I will look into the company for escorts you suggested. I will give them a call soon.
Reggie,
Don't feel like this is your fault (easy for me to say), it doesn't do any good. You probably made the best decision you could about the counselling, and who knows whether more would've prevented this or not. I've spent TONS of time trying to figure out why... but in the end what we have to do is move on. One of the things I've really learned through all this (and I imagine you will too) is how incredibly manipulative kids can be, even when that isn't their conscience attempt. Your son is probably crying for help while at the same time in someway avoiding blame by blaming his mothers death and you. They'll work on all that.
Probably too much philosiphising on my part (?sp) since I don't really know your situation that well... anyway hang in there and let us know how it goes!
I reply:
Well I do see it as my fault. I won't let that stop me from trying me damned best to fix the situation. Thank you so much for your support. I will keep you updated.
SusanA Says:
Reggie,
My son attended SUWS of Idaho. Other folks thought highly of Second Nature.Try to get referrals from the places that you are contacting.
Susan
My Reply is:
I am going with SUWS as well. My brother checked the program out via his Law Enforcement friends in Idaho and it is highly suggested.
Susan replies:
posted February 14, 2007 09:42 PM February 14, 2007 09:42 PM
If Dennis Thompson is still there who was one of the original founders, you will be in good hands.
It is a rugged environment. They make their own backpacks. I thought they handled things very appropriately.
You are in the middle of an interesting journey. There were certainly peaks and valleys (and not just in the terrain.) It was a comfort, although an anxious one, to know that our son was safe and getting help. We wrote a lot of letters, as did his uncle.
Dennis was the person who suggested that we get more help for him after wilderness. I respected that he did not push any program, nor just recommend ones sponsored by Aspen. As it happened the TBS that he attended after an RTC was acquired by Aspen after my son had graduated. We did hire an educational consultant to find the RYC and then TBS.
My hopes are with you.
All the best,
Susan
I reply:
I will see about getting in touch with an educational consultant shortly. Right now I need to figure out how to get Michael out to the program in Idaho. Several escort companies have been suggested, but I worried about it. What do you think about escorts?
Susan Replies:
We did not use one, but had one lined up that SUWS recommended. I had mixed feelings and was glad that it was not needed (for the expense and the extra trauma for both us and our son), but it is still most important to get your son there and there safely. From what I gather good escorts work on making the transition more comfortable.
Ask SUWS their advice.
I reply:
I'm thinking at the moment I am not going to use an Escort. I'm pretty sure my brother and I can handle any problems that crop up. As I said my brother is a Washington State Patrol Officer and a member of the US. Army Reserve. Michael really looks up to him and has always been very polite to him and my brother's wife and daughters. Thank you so much for your kind responses.
Susan also says in a different PM:
Reggie,
You might be able to get some insurance reimbursement for wilderness and RTC/TBS. I assume you have insurance through your governmet job. It might also be possible to get some reimbursement for RTC/TBS from the city/state. It is generally best to check with a special educaton lawyer for that. The process of reimbursement is long and tortuous, but you might be able to pay back som of your new mortgage.
Susan
I replied:
I get great insurance through my government job. My supervisor is already looking into getting the cost defrayed. He already has given me all my comped time to take as needed. There are is also a group talking about getting everyone to donate a days pay to helping pay the costs of Michael's stay in SUWS. For this I have my supervisor to thank. Thank you for the rest of your wonderful suggestions!
Susan says:
Reggie,
My phone number is xxx xxx-xxxx if you would like to call.
There have been some strange folks mostly from the "Fornits" site (I think) who have harrassed people in the past. Unfortunately it means that people have to be a little more careful in their communications.
It is probably too late, but you might want to edit out your son's name and just say "my son". You do not need this added on top of the stress of caring for your son.
You have a great boss.
All the best,
Susan
I replied:
Thank you so much. One of the moderators of Fornits contacted me and told me he would be making sure the threatening emails stopped. I'm not going to be avaliable for the next couple days, but again thank you so much for your help.
Susan says to me in a different private message convo:
How was your trip to Idaho? What were your impressions of SUWS?
I suspect that you will not need an escort. You could line one up for a backup plan.
What did SUWS say?
I replied:
I found SUWS to be a very reassuring place. I think Michael will thrive in such an environment. The escorts have been lined up to pick Michael up almost as soon as he is released from his 72 hour observation period from the hospital.
Galen Says:
Hi Reggie,
You definitely have to consider the source of any information you receive. I did receive some very negative information about the school we chose for our son. I did visit the school before we enrolled him, to check it out for myself. So weigh the information you receive very carefully. There are some people here (some parents, some former program kids) who are anti programs of any sort.
I'm the one who brought up Shakespeare, somewhat tongue in cheek. Our son's case is a little different from the typical one. His primary issue is a nonverbal learning disability. His problems were mostly school related. Kids with NLD are often prone to depression and anxiety, and Lewis was beginning to withdraw. He hadn't experimented with drugs or alcohol (yet), and he wasn't in legal trouble. He wasn't even in trouble at school. He was, however, angry and confrontational at home and. He was running with a somehwat unsavory group of punk rockers.
Believe me, if he had been engaging in more typical teenage acting out behavior (drugs, alcohol, promiscuity, illegal activities), I wouldn't be overly concerned with censoring books or other media, either.
I can understand the policies that many programs have and understand how it can be in the best interest of some kids to limit their exposure to extreme violence, sex, alcohol and drug references, and so on -- because of their particular issues.
But that's not really the case with our son. I sometimes wonder if we didn't take too drastic a step ... although we were acting on professional advice from more than one person. Our son was not open to pursuing any local options. He refused to switch schools, attend therapy, take anti-depressant medication, etc. So we acted proactively, before the downward spiral got out of control. The school we picked is supposed to specialize in working with "softer" kids, with learning disabilities, attentional issues, and anxiety and/or depression -- although it seems to me that they have many kids with more serious issues, too. I sometimes wonder if we should have sent him to a school for kids with learning disablities instead. The problem is that they only accept kids who are willing to be there. At that point in time, our son was not willing to consider that option. I think he's a little more open minded now, after being away from home for eight months!
The best advice is to trust your own gut instinct. You will know what's best for your son.
Galen (Gail)
Galen also says
Hi Reggie,
It may be too late to respond to your dilemma. Our son attended SUWS of the Carolinas and is now at an emotional growth boading school in Idaho, Boulder Creek Academy. We did use escorts to transport him to the wilderness program, but we spent several days with him traveling from North Carolina to Idaho to begin school.
The escort service that was highly recommended to us is Bill Lane and Associates, http://www.billlaneandassociates.com (http://www.billlaneandassociates.com). There is a link from Lon's home page. Mr. Lane has been in the business for many, many years and has received many honors. We were pleased with the calm professionalism of the two escorts who traveled with our son. They were firm but friendly, and they even took him for lunch at McDonald's. They called us several times during the course of the trip to update us on their progress, and they called again when they arrived at the wilderness program.
I think it is also possible to have escorts on "stand by." So if you choose to take your son yourself, they would be standing by in case of any problems that might occur. They could then step in and complete the trip. Just an idea -- I'm sure it costs a lot, as does everything in this industry!
Escorts and wilderness placement can both be accomplished in a very short period of time. They are accustomed to working with families in crisis.
Anyway, I just want to wish you the best of luck. It sounds like it is time for you to intervene to assure your son's ultimate health and happiness.
Good luck!
Galen (Gail)
I reply to both:
I couldn't agree more with what you have said. I'd write more, but I have a box full of private messages and a great deal of work to do tonight. Spent all day on the road driving to Idaho and back.
Thank you for both of your wonderful messages!
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http://www.freepowerboards.com/strugglingppl/viewtopic.php?p=181#181
My final post on the New Struggling Retards board as TSW.
Enjoy.
I know reggie white's son will remember it all with fond memories.
Curious? Does that mean you will be posting under another name?
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Can someone sum up TSW's post, that is way too much to read.
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http://www.freepowerboards.com/strugglingppl/viewtopic.php?p=181#181
My final post on the New Struggling Retards board as TSW.
Enjoy.
I know reggie white's son will remember it all with fond memories.
Curious? Does that mean you will be posting under another name?
Maybe many new names via various proxy servers. Be nice to out some of those asshat parents as providing referrals.
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Can someone sum up TSW's post, that is way too much to read.
It is all the pm messages sent to Reggie, aka Me, on Struggling Retards. Some of them are quite amusing.
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TSW, do you still work for 3 Shits? 'Cause you're probably doing them and other programs a big favor by trying to derail Psy's effort here. Lon's little forum may not be down forever, but maybe he will decide to leave it down for quite awhile -- until a new crop of unsuspecting parents come around looking for "help" -- or maybe he'll reopen soon and just ban many of the former ST regulars.
Many of those STers are coming here and are welcoming the opportunity to hear the other side, to hear from survivors and ex-staff like you. Some of us really enjoy Fornits, but for a different reason, and others may lurk but will never try to have a real dialog there.
Think about what you're doing.
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Yo 70's punk. I'll let you off for that slip of the tongue this one time. Do it again and I won't be so nice next time.
How about this question? Who are you referring for? What companies are you helping parents send their kids to?
Think on it. Works both ways slappy.
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TSW, do you still work for 3 Shits? 'Cause you're probably doing them and other programs a big favor by trying to derail Psy's effort here. Lon's little forum may not be down forever, but maybe he will decide to leave it down for quite awhile -- until a new crop of unsuspecting parents come around looking for "help" -- or maybe he'll reopen soon and just ban many of the former ST regulars.
Many of those STers are coming here and are welcoming the opportunity to hear the other side, to hear from survivors and ex-staff like you. Some of us really enjoy Fornits, but for a different reason, and others may lurk but will never try to have a real dialog there.
Think about what you're doing.
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Yo 70's punk. I'll let you off for that slip of the tongue this one time. Do it again and I won't be so nice next time.
How about this question? Who are you referring for? What companies are you helping parents send their kids to?
Think on it. Works both ways slappy.
I wish you'd posted the version after I edited it, but the gist is the same. My point was that for all the good that Fornits does in exposing this shitty industry, the fact is Fornits doesn't really reach all the potential program parents who might not even realize what a huge landmine they are about to step on. Some parents might be put off by the attacks, others maybe just don't want to wade through all the chit-chat to find the real truth that is buried in these archives.
I like the idea of what Psy is trying to do with his new forum, and I think it can fulfill a need that Fornits doesn't quite fill -- and that ST could only fulfill by private messages that are very contrary to Lon's business goals.
Who am I referring for? That's pretty funny. I'm referring parents to stay away from this industry, for the sake of anonymous kids that I'll never meet. I know of at least a few parents whose eyes I helped open and a few kids I may have had some small hand in saving from a program fate.
I enjoyed reading your Reggie White PMs, especially this one from Galen:
Galen Says:
Hi Reggie,
You definitely have to consider the source of any information you receive. I did receive some very negative information about the school we chose for our son. I did visit the school before we enrolled him, to check it out for myself. So weigh the information you receive very carefully. There are some people here (some parents, some former program kids) who are anti programs of any sort.
I remember PM'ing her on ST about Boulder Creek Academy, including links to some Fornits threads and all the shit I could find on that place. But you can't win 'em all -- she sent him anyway.
As great as it is that Fornits activists try to get programs shut down, remember it's the parents and their cash that fuel this industry. If enough people tried to educate enough would-be program parents and just tried to save one kid at a time, that too would make a big difference.
I wish someone had gotten to me before I became a supreme sucker and handed over my kid to a wilderness program. Now I guess I feel it's my moral duty to try to do that for other kids and their parents.
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Of course we both know that neither I or you work for or refer to TBS programmes of any sort. However, to clarify I haven't any problem with what Psy is doing. I will however not be a moderator on that forum. For one I reserve the right to speak my mind in whatever fashion I find suitable.
If some fuckrag of a parent has a problem with it they can cry me a river. The question I asked wasn't even that brutal and the parent it was directed to answered without whining or bawling.
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Yes, but you need to understand that on forums the majority of the people are just readers and you need to consider them as well when trying to get your message out. If you are going dump your hostility all the time and call people fuckrags you will become ineffective and help no one. You seem to be only serving yourself and not others.
Give it some thought.
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Yes, but you need to understand that on forums the majority of the people are just readers and you need to consider them as well when trying to get your message out. If you are going dump your hostility all the time and call people fuckrags you will become ineffective and help no one. You seem to be only serving yourself and not others.
Give it some thought.
Bullshit. I'm refusing to moderate a forum just to protect my right to use the term Fuckrag.
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Yes, but you need to understand that on forums the majority of the people are just readers and you need to consider them as well when trying to get your message out. If you are going dump your hostility all the time and call people fuckrags you will become ineffective and help no one. You seem to be only serving yourself and not others.
Give it some thought.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Cool then. It works out well for the parents and for yourself. Moderation requires a little restraint and patience to help guide the conversations and keep them on topic. You will be better off solo.
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Damn straight. Besides how the hell am I supposed to troll that place as a moderator?
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
FORNITS TROLLS UNITE! LET US UNLEASH UPON THEM WITH ALL WE HAVE!
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Damn straight. Besides how the hell am I supposed to troll that place as a moderator?
The same way you do it here !!
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OH by the way you fuckrags. At least come up with better shit than posting shock site links.
I mean put some effort into this shit. I'm betting we can nail a few of those lamers doing pm referrals.
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It's hard to refrain from wanting to have Galen Tarred and Feathered,
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The key to all of this is being subtle.
Look retards if you go trolling on Struggling Retards 2 give me a pm. I've some thoughts for you.
However, don't be some asshole who goes and spams it with porn and stupid shit. You will kill the laughs.
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If some fuckrag of a parent has a problem with it they can cry me a river.
And I'm sorry, but I can't have that. You can't insult parents and simultaneously expect them to respect, or even listen to you. If you want to calmly explain why they are disliked, that is fine, but you can't lace it with "fuck you". I want parents to feel safe, as well as the survivors who post there. I hold the same standard to both groups.
I didn't vote at all. The irony here, is that your vote is what got you banned. Don't complain.
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Educating parents is one thing - opening the door to propagandic, self-serving program parents is another.
Banning TSW for expressing his opinion amounts to censorship plain and simple.
The fact that you justify this as being necessary or appropriate in order to insure the "safety" of parents smacks of the same kind of crap that ST is so infamous for.
Don't shoot the messenger, in other words.
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As I told you in Yahoo I'm not complaining. I'm relieved. Now enjoy your struggling retards 2 forum.
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Educating parents is one thing - opening the door to propagandic, self-serving program parents is another.
Banning TSW for expressing his opinion amounts to censorship plain and simple.
He banned himself with his vote, which comprised of 50% of the vote. BOTH survivors AND parents have to aggree on a ban for a person to get banned. HE was the only person that fit into the first category, so his vote made up 50% of he final total. plus.. he was trying to get banned:
dan_the_chainsawman
Psy I think you opened the pandoras box the minute you put this up to a vote.
I mean you had to have known I wasn't going to take it lightly.
And you had to have had some clue that I've a lot of supporters who aren't the most ethical variety on fornits.
psyborgue
No, i didn't. You must have thought a symbolic gesture like "ban me" would have been noble somehow.. Your vote, effectively, made up 50% of the final total
dan_the_chainsawman
fuck no dude.
I really wanted to be banned.
psyborgue
why?
dan_the_chainsawman
well more just demoderated.
I figured I'd get banned later for something better.
1:45 PMbut now works.
dan_the_chainsawman
Psy I think you opened the pandoras box the minute you put this up to a vote.
I mean you had to have known I wasn't going to take it lightly.
And you had to have had some clue that I've a lot of supporters who aren't the most ethical variety on fornits.
psyborgue
No, i didn't. You must have thought a symbolic gesture like "ban me" would have been noble somehow.. Your vote, effectively, made up 50% of the final total
dan_the_chainsawman
fuck no dude.
I really wanted to be banned.
psyborgue
why?
dan_the_chainsawman
well more just demoderated.
I figured I'd get banned later for something better.
1:45 PMbut now works.
Fuck that shit. I don't want a person trying to fuck up my forum posting. I will only moderate attacks. Since he seem to be unable to talk to parents without calling them "retards" etc... What the fuck am I supposed to do? I'm trying to create a place where parents can feel safe as well as survivors, so they can get talking (as long as no attacks) and both sides can start to figure out how completely they were fucked by program (as my parents did)... Destroying relationships with parents is part of the program's design. I want to help fix that by getting both sides to talk, and that can't happen if parents are scared off!
The fact that you justify this as being necessary or appropriate in order to insure the "safety" of parents smacks of the same kind of crap that ST is so infamous for.
Don't shoot the messenger, in other words.
The messenger shot himself by voting for his own ban!!!!
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I think here we have significant proof of why none of us should agree to post on that forum.
As you can see Psy has resorted to posting a private message conversation between himself and this dan mcgrath fellow. I'm going to assume Psy has now posted TSW personal name on the internet. Not a very nice thing to do by the way. This doesn't show the sort of stability that I'd expect from the operator of a forum. If anything it displays a complete lack of responsibility on his part.
Let's all do the wise thing and boycott this new forum.
Psy you had a great deal of my respect in the past, but with this you've lost every single iota of it. I wish you all the best of luck.
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Oh boy............
ummm.... yeah.. no comment.
:lol:
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Oh yeah dan mcgrath ain't my name.
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I think here we have significant proof of why none of us should agree to post on that forum.
As you can see Psy has resorted to posting a private message conversation between himself and this dan mcgrath fellow.
Where is that written? it clearly says "Dan_the_chainsawman".. and posting a private IM convo isn't somethign that TSW wouldn't do...:
http://www.freepowerboards.com/struggli ... out29.html (http://www.freepowerboards.com/strugglingppl/strugglingppl-about29.html)
I'm going to assume Psy has now posted TSW personal name on the internet.
hell no i didn't nor would I.
Not a very nice thing to do by the way. This doesn't show the sort of stability that I'd expect from the operator of a forum. If anything it displays a complete lack of responsibility on his part.
Let's all do the wise thing and boycott this new forum.
Psy you had a great deal of my respect in the past, but with this you've lost every single iota of it. I wish you all the best of luck.
yeah right TSW. Since "Dan McGrath" is your alias, and not many people know that, I'm guessing you posted this.
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shit I'm getting senile in my old age.
DOH!
Still though you ought to be fair to our audience and post the entire conversation.
Including your comments regarding the parents who post on your forum.
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Nah on second thought don't bother. I already told you I wasn't going to troll your forum like a shithead. I'm going to be hunting for parental referrals, but even you said that was fair game.
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shit I'm getting senile in my old age.
DOH!
red handed.
Still though you ought to be fair to our audience and post the entire conversation.
didn't keep it. I only copy and pasted that block since nobody is going to read a full transcript.
Including your comments regarding the parents who post on your forum.
You mean when I said most of them were pussies? So? When I said pussies, we were talking about things like offensive language etc... I find it absurd to get offended by such things... A lot of parents can't stomach Fornits. A lot of survivors can't stomach ST? Does this mean they are pussies? Asking myself that question makes me wonder if I was too quick in calling most ST parents pussies. I'm just trying to get both sides talking, and that can only happen if both sides feel safe from attacks.
You called parents "Struggling Retards" on the forum, as well as a lot of other things. The "test" for me, is if you substited, for example "struggling druggies", would a survivor be offended? That being said, you would not have been banned had you not voted for it. Had I voted, I would have voted no; however as you said, you wanted to get banned, and were trying to get banned. You might say "well this is what you did to ST"... Not quite. I refrained from attacking anybody, and simply presented opinions and information politely, that got me banned. I wanted to get banned, but i was very picky about what reason I wanted to be banned for, and as such, didn't give them a good reason. You, on the other hand, were actively looking for one.
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Nah on second thought don't bother. I already told you I wasn't going to troll your forum like a shithead. I'm going to be hunting for parental referrals, but even you said that was fair game.
There isn't really anything I can do to stop you. I've banned you by IP, and will be very suspicious of proxies. but as you said, there are ways.
One of the reasons I have allowed program names is so parents have no reason to make referrals via PM. A parent recieving a PM endorsing a program will now be suspicious it wasn't said publicly, if the place is so good. Don't expect to catch many people.
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Yep you caught me red handed skippy.
But this isn't about my forum moderation. You made that choice to post those messages. Live with consquences. I'm fully willing to live with my own consquences for posting the Struggling Retards private messages. Of course I'm betting that there aren't to many people here on fornits that will give a fuck.
I'm glad you were honest about posting your real feelings about the parents being pussies and all. I hope you do right an tell them all that. Beings they are far to timid to come read fornits.
And since I'm not robert bruce, yourself, or that fuck face the who I'm not going to bother carrying on with this. I have my thing, and you have your thing.
Though I will leave you with this thought.
Would you honor a vote to ban you from the forum?
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Yep you caught me red handed skippy.
you are getting rusty.
But this isn't about my forum moderation. You made that choice to post those messages. Live with consquences. I'm fully willing to live with my own consquences for posting the Struggling Retards private messages. Of course I'm betting that there aren't to many people here on fornits that will give a fuck.
I'm glad you were honest about posting your real feelings about the parents being pussies and all. I hope you do right an tell them all that. Beings they are far to timid to come read fornits.
I've told parents again and again that it's just words... No, I wouldn't say "pussies" on my site, since it's moderated to be safe for parents and survivors. I would be breaking the rules. I might say "fornits has a lot of valuble information etc..." as Karen has done on ST before Lon realized his cheerleaders had turned on him and shut down the forum.
And since I'm not robert bruce, yourself, or that fuck face the who I'm not going to bother carrying on with this. I have my thing, and you have your thing.
Though I will leave you with this thought.
Would you honor a vote to ban you from the forum?
yes I would. absolutely. I would find another person to "own" the forum. The thing I wouldn't do, however, is vote for my own ban.
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Just confirming I'm glad you are willing to be fair. Good luck with it. I'll do my part and squash any fuckwit trolls that make themselves known to me.
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Just confirming I'm glad you are willing to be fair. Good luck with it. I'll do my part and squash any fuckwit trolls that make themselves known to me.
Thanks. Listen. If the vote changes, I will un-ban you. I'm not shutting down voting. It's never-ending.
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Jesus dude stop worrying about it. I wanted to get banned. Now stop freaking and go sign up on the wilderness thread one down that we both keep dropping off the chart.
We really do have better things to do.
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How quickly we forget our own words...
What's the C word? Cunt? Clit? Cock? Cum? Which one? Oh me oh my... A college student says such a word in passing... and it's harassment to you?!?! That is fucking insane.
Threatening is relative. So is offensive. You ne.ed to go to rotten.com and take a look around. (PS: it was my ex-girlfriend's favorite site... she introduced it to me... Is that harassment?) I get threatened when i see mushrooms. I have a phobia of mushrooms. If you throw me a mushroom at me, i will be terrified. If you threaten to throw one at me, i will feel threatened. I am so so so so glad i told them "i'm allergic" in program or they would have surely used that one on me.
Look... I may be being an asshole about this, but i think you might want to consider that you might just be a teeny tiny bit over-sensitive to this... to the point where it imposes unrealistic expectations on others. You can't expect everybody else to know about your past automatically. What? Do you want a society where everybody is afraid speak, lest they offend somebody? THAT fucking offends me. I suggest you read Ray Bradbury's "Farenheit 451". Fuck censorship. It's a slippery slope, and before you know it, you'll be on the ass end of it.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... &start=240 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=10227&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=240)
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I don't want to get involved in the dispute but am inclined to say that the voting process is not very democratic or fair, imo.
One of your 'board members' got booted technically by only a couple of the other 'board members'.
Why not make voting mandatory for all the moderators? Gotta vote yes or no. I see the potential for misuse the way it is.
You already have a procedure for 'inappropriate' posts, they go to the boneyard. Why the need to ban or de-mod at all? The discussion could continue in the boneyard and offended parents/survivors could avoid it. Is the boneyard off limits too for words that might insult a pp's sensibilities?
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http://www.freepowerboards.com/struggli ... out35.html (http://www.freepowerboards.com/strugglingppl/strugglingppl-about35.html)
This is good fun. Keep it up everyone!
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I don't want to get involved in the dispute but am inclined to say that the voting process is not very democratic or fair, imo.
One of your 'board members' got booted technically by only a couple of the other 'board members'.
nope had he abstained, or voted against his own ban, he would never have been banned. that made the survivors side of the vote 50/50, effectively ensuring that the parent side got the decision.
Why not make voting mandatory for all the moderators? Gotta vote yes or no. I see the potential for misuse the way it is.
why does nobody RTFM ?!?!?
How voting works, and why it is the way it is:
http://www.freepowerboards.com/struggli ... bout8.html (http://www.freepowerboards.com/strugglingppl/strugglingppl-about8.html)
You already have a procedure for 'inappropriate' posts, they go to the boneyard. Why the need to ban or de-mod at all?
I need a way to ban "The Who" if he rears his ugly head.
The discussion could continue in the boneyard and offended parents/survivors could avoid it. Is the boneyard off limits too for words that might insult a pp's sensibilities?
Also.. voting doesn't ever stop. as the vote shifts, decisions may be reversed. for example, more people , both survivors and parents, have now voted, cancelling out his errant ban vote. So he is now un-banned.
I thought out the system well. Ban's aren't permanant if the posters think they shouldn't be. It's democracy (modified slightly... again, RTFM !)
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Sweet I'm going to request a vote to have Muldoon banned.
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Sweet I'm going to request a vote to have Muldoon banned.
you can do that... and provided he doesn't vote for his own ban, it isn't likely to happen... what kind of idiot votes for his own ban ?!?!?
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One who has to much free time.
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LMFAO, I will be preparing a 1000 Post thread of why I am a benefit to Psy's forum and will keep Charly on retainer just in case I have to sue for unfair banishment,LMFAO.
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why does nobody RTFM ?!?!?
Perhaps because the forum hasn't open once for me all day. Is it working for other people?
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More off than on for me 2.