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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 12, 2007, 03:37:59 PM
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My IP address is:
24.41.XX.XXX
This is your last warning Who. Stop trolling survivors or you will know no privacy on the internet. We don't really care what you have to say to RB or DJ, but suvivors are off limits.
Do it again and you will feel some of those program style consquences your own flesh and blood had to endure.
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I feel so excluded.
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What can anyone tell from an IP address?
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What can anyone tell from an IP address?
ISP and approximate location (without breaking any laws). Combine that with Google Earth, and personal details about home life in his posts...
It's not worth it. He's not program staff. He will come around eventually. He's here because he's looking for answers... He just steps on toes because he's an insensitive asshole. Have pity on him.
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Hmmm.... not sure what you are talking about but I may guess it is about the gorilla post......if that is right you need to talk to TSW and Niles. They introduced it and have been spreading it around...I am just returning it to them when they post. It has been following my posts also, so survivors are not the only ones being trolled.
So, as I see it, they are the ones trolling... if you are going to be consistent and apply the same rules to everyone you need to ask them to stop and post their IP's also. If you are not referring to the gorilla post, please let me know where I offended a survivor and I will atone if I need to.
As a note:
I think it was insensitive of you to exclude “RobertBruce” from the survivor list, why is that? You dont consider him a survivor?
Here are the sources of the gorilla posts in case you don’t believe me:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=260842#260842 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=260842#260842)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=257649#257649 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=257649#257649)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258484#258484 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258484#258484)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258478#258478 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258478#258478)
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Hmmm.... not sure what you are talking about but I may guess it is about the gorilla post......if that is right you need to talk to TSW and Niles. They introduced it and have been spreading it around...I am just returning it to them when they post. It has been following my posts also, so survivors are not the only ones being trolled.
So, as I see it, they are the ones trolling... if you are going to be consistent and apply the same rules to everyone you need to ask them to stop and post their IP's also. If you are not referring to the gorilla post, please let me know where I offended a survivor and I will atone if I need to.
As a note:
I think it was insensitive of you to exclude “RobertBruce” from the survivor list, why is that? You dont consider him a survivor?
Here are the sources of the gorilla posts in case you don’t believe me:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=260842#260842 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=260842#260842)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=257649#257649 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=257649#257649)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258484#258484 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258484#258484)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258478#258478 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258478#258478)
Everybody hates that thing. OK. Stop fucking spreading it around. I really don't care who is posting it. I wish Niles would take the wav _off_ his wtfux account so those goddamn gorillas shut up. Quit propagating it... and Niles... imageboards damage your brain you know... ::ftard::
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Done... I got the message to TSW via his forum (hopefully he reads it before he deletes it), someone notify Niles and that should end it. It doesnt appear to be very healthy...not sure why they would do that here of all places.
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Done... I got the message to TSW via his forum (hopefully he reads it before he deletes it), someone notify Niles and that should end it. It doesnt appear to be very healthy...not sure why they would do that here of all places.
I'll tell niles to delete the wav. I listen to loud music on huge speakers connected to my mac... that sound is about 200% louder than my loudest music.
I just sent him an IM but he's not there.
In the meantime, can you delete your quotes of that post, or at least edit out the HTML including that sound.
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I feel so excluded.
No shit!
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Wait a minute! Not everybody hates the gorilla. I understand there's a quiet but very dedicated contingent of SIBS graduates who still keep in touch w/ him. Hey, if we can welcome Karen and Paula and Ottowa and even characters like Craig Rodgers, why not the gorilla? Shit! Poor thing has been totally reaculturated to human society, wouldn't fit in w/ ape culture at all. If we shun him then who else would have him?? Think of the chiiiiiidre..... oh, sorry, wrong rant....
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Done... I got the message to TSW via his forum (hopefully he reads it before he deletes it), someone notify Niles and that should end it. It doesnt appear to be very healthy...not sure why they would do that here of all places.
I'll tell niles to delete the wav. I listen to loud music on huge speakers connected to my mac... that sound is about 200% louder than my loudest music.
I just sent him an IM but he's not there.
In the meantime, can you delete your quotes of that post, or at least edit out the HTML including that sound.
I stopped the sound in the "Facilities...." forum post I made... TSW and Niles will have to edit theirs themselves......, I have listed some of the locations, posted above
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Ban him. Post his IP. Do something already, this is incredibly boring.
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Ban him. Post his IP. Do something already, this is incredibly boring.
i'm sure a few people have his IP address but I doubt anybody is going to post it. It wouldn't be right.
@TheWho: you could have PMed TSW instead of further crapping in the PV thread... Geez.
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Ban him. Post his IP. Do something already, this is incredibly boring.
i'm sure a few people have his IP address but I doubt anybody is going to post it. It wouldn't be right.
@TheWho: you could have PMed TSW instead of further crapping in the PV thread... Geez.
Yeah, I know, but he is an asshole.... he shouldn’t troll others outside his forum and then get upset, edit their posts and threaten to expose someone when it is merely returned to him on the same plate. He is misusing his power as a moderator in my opinion and should set an example within his own forum if he wants respect.
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Ban him. Post his IP. Do something already, this is incredibly boring.
i'm sure a few people have his IP address but I doubt anybody is going to post it. It wouldn't be right.
@TheWho: you could have PMed TSW instead of further crapping in the PV thread... Geez.
Yeah, I know, but he is an asshole.... he shouldn’t troll others outside his forum and then get upset
You shouldn't troll outside your thread and upset others.
edit their posts
If he edited one of your posts, it would say "edited by TSW on" such and such. That is how it works.
and threaten to expose someone when it is merely returned to him on the same plate.
Oh please... how do you know it is him? Jesus Christ, you sound like Jena now. Come on now. You're not that stupid.
He is misusing his power as a moderator in my opinion and should set an example within his own forum if he wants respect.
If I felt there was any truth in your accusation I would not have asked him to be a moderator on my own forum. He is only a moderator of the facilities questions forum (aren't ya glad ya trolled that one now aren't ya). Whoops. Now he has your IP. That forum has his rules and you he can do what he pleases with your IP if he wants to. Same with the HLA forum. The facilities forum is for survivors, parents, and people with actual questions. What have you read? How much do you know? Considering your legendary attention to detail regarding your daughter's own school, I find it highly improbable that you could possible offer anything to the PV discussion, especially given the sensitivity if the posters involved. With the history of unidirectional spepticisim and cynicism towards survivors you have repeatedly demonstrated, why should TSW trust you enough to let you into a forum where a traumatized girl is just starting to tell your story? What sensitivity does posting a screaming gorilla show?
Respect? Please. FUCK YOU mister who. And keep your absurd, slanderous accusations to yourself before I decide to post where you are. Just to prove I do actually know where you are... during the summer, the beach stinks... I even have a good guess at Who you are. How? Something you lack: attention to detail.
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What sensitivity does posting a screaming gorilla show?
My words exactly...
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517)
So when I post it, it is considered insensitive, but for someone else it is okay?
I wasnt the one who was trolling with the gorilla...check it out. The guy is a moderator and he trolls other threads with the gorilla... I was just returning it to him...Ha,Ha,Ha ... shouldnt we all be living by the same rules?
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What sensitivity does posting a screaming gorilla show?
My words exactly..
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517)
I'm sure it did irreparable damage to that thread :roll:,
and more importantly, the "statistics" you seem so adamant on coming to.
So when I post it, it is considered insensitive, but for someone else it is okay?
it's not who posts it, you idiot, but where. I wouldn't give a shit if it was in another thread on this here TTI forum, why not pick one of those. Why go out of your way to harass him when he is actually doing something serious, when there is something important, going on. You're mindless repetition of the same bullshit "statistics" matters little to anybody here but yourself (and maybe the industry... it has about the right amount of validity). I really wonder for what purpose you want to provide such fixed statistics (which you can claim you "debated"). I would rather not know, and frankly you would rather not have me find out. Some think it is to re-enforce what you already believe, to support your actions with your daughter... some think you are looking for the truth... some think you just a troll. Some think you are getting paid. I really don't give a shit. Just stay away from threads you don't belong in where survivors are posting their stories. You've already fucked up at least one.
If you wish to prove you are the more mature person, you are doing a really poor job of it.
I wasnt the one who was trolling with the gorilla...check it out. The guy is a moderator
Only in that one forum for facilities questions.
and he trolls other threads with the gorilla...
In that one thread where there are things far outlandish than a screaming gorilla.
I was just returning it to him...Ha,Ha,Ha ... shouldnt we all be living by the same rules?
If only you were as vulnerable as some of the survivors on here you could say that. Ha,Ha,Ha. Give em time to get their identity back and they'll tear your head off.
Only somebody as insensitive as you could think that your posting the gorilla only affected him. You have no consideration for what was being discussed in that thread. Go read the thread again.
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Look, why don't you two just write your own respective bots. Just take random samples from past renditions of this same script, load little snippets into a database and the bots take care of this mundane task for you. That's what automation is all about, isn't it?
I'm about to turn the damned gorilla loose on yenz!
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I don't negotiate ever. Bring it on you sorry fuckwart.
(http://http://z.about.com/d/pittsburgh/1/7/j/Q/gorilla_1.jpg)
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Look, why don't you two just write your own respective bots. Just take random samples from past renditions of this same script, load little snippets into a database and the bots take care of this mundane task for you. That's what automation is all about, isn't it?
I'm about to turn the damned gorilla loose on yenz!
:wink: :wink:
Come on ginger... we both know whatever I say, he'll just post the same thing over and over.. but how do we get him back in the playpen..
:rofl:
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I don't negotiate ever. Bring it on you sorry fuckwart.
(http://http://z.about.com/d/pittsburgh/1/7/j/Q/gorilla_1.jpg)
hee hee hee... gorilla ain't sayin shit now is he....
mmm... no screaming... sweet sweet silence....
See... Mr. Who: Instead of being a f-tard, you could have just resolved the screaming issue privately...
Despite what Ginger may think, I really, really, hate that gorilla. On that, The Who and I agree. I suspect it will be one of the only things.
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Why do you hate the gorilla so much?
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Why do you hate the gorilla so much?
because my sound card works, I listen to loud music, and that gorilla is about 200% louder than my loudest music. It' so loud, the waveform is clipped off and distorted... That isn't even to mention what it does when i have my speakers on...
it scares the shit out of me. I'm sitting there listening to some nice music, browsing the internets, and AAAAAAAAAHHH H... AAHAHHAHAHAHHDH FH Hhf.... etc.
It's the audio goatse. It's frickin wrong. Such a wav file is an affront to all that is good on the internets.
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Don't hate the gorilla.
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Good points are your defense Psy. I'm amused, as always, about his wild accusations. I think for my own amusement I'm going to suggest to that friend I told you about to do his "thing".
To the others threatening to post the Who's IP address I strongly suggest that you consider another approach. Posting it publically only will let the Who know that something is amiss. If you really want to get him do it with a bit more discretion.
Perhaps you should email it to this person:
salamieater@hotmail.com
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who, I've been restrained and oddly polite to you about this, but you're acting like a willful child at this point. I explained to you that TSW moved the thread to his moderated forum to get away from the trolling. You've never been an overt troll, you present yourself as a rational adult who happens to think ASR is a lifesaver and a humdinger of a program. That's like...your opinion, man, and on Troubled Teen, you can defend that opinion, attack naysayers, whatever.
We've got program survivors answering questions about PV, and these kids are going back to hellish times because they hope they can prevent other kids from going through what they did. I also take a very personal interest in one of the PV survivors. Actually, I take an interest in all three of them because I've talked with them all extensively. I like them and respect the guts they're showing by recounting events they would probably rather forget, but can't. One of these respondents I would give my life for because...family is that way.
DYS and I had a long talk on the phone on St. Patrick's day...DYS is doing so well, and I think he's working hard to prove the PV clinical staff wrong about the dismal future they predicted for him. If a motivational speaker is needed to lecture to high school kids on the evils of RTC's, Die Yuppie scum is the guy to do it. He has his own business and still has all the friends PV told him would desert him quickly.
I don't expect compassion from you, who.. What do you care, you've made your position clear over and over. We all pledged to ignore you at one point, but you've become a bit childish toward TSW. Psy is right, PM TSW and work it out away from the Facility thread where something is being accomplished, info is being gathered that I can send on to some sympathetic Tennessee politicos and mental health watchdogs.
Let's break it down for you, who:
The Troubled Teen Industry
Compliance is not character. Weakness is not strength. Regression is not growth. "Tough love" leads to tough hate. Time for some straight talk about the Troubled Parent Industry.
This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry, and there's nothing inspiring or heart-warming about it. It's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.
Moderator: Nobody
Now TSW's forum:
Facility Question and Answers
If you have questions we will answer them to the best of our abilities in a polite and rational manner. If you have insults please feel free to collect your jar of free boot cream at the door after you get launched into never neverland.
Moderator Three Springs Waygookin
You may feel offended by the gorilla glaring from your thread on Troubled Teen. Live with it, you know the rules there.
TSW's asking PV kids questions that I don't think anyone has asked them before, and the answers they're giving have made TSW and I cringe. I can speak for one of the respondents, she's glad to offer up details of PV's abuses because she hopes we can do something useful with the information. We could share it with HEAL, CAFETY, anywhere it can be seen and maybe cause a few parents to disregard the idea of a PV placement.
TSW, despite his often gruff remarks on Troubled Teen, is slowly taking these PV survivors through difficult questions, and despite your childish anger toward TSW for his alleged involvement in slipping a primate picture onto "your thread", TSW is showing compassion to these young adults and it's clear he respects the guts they've shown in answering these disturbing questions about abuse and answer them thoroughly.
TSW is helping these kids talk through their nightmares. I know one young lady answering who is noticeably a little lighter in spirit since the Q+A started.
So who, as much as you bear a grudge toward TSW, he's being productive. What are you doing now, what have you ever done but agitate posters and backtrack when you get called on lying?
I don't want to fight with you, and I'm abstaining from delivering some heartfelt and profane opinions I have concerning your character. During the time I pledged to ignore you, I did. I avoided you, you never presented anything of interest, just the program party-line spiel: "My kid would have been dead or in jail without (insert Behavior Modification pit of your choice.) "My kid refused to honor my house rules," (perhaps your rules were draconian and stifling to the young teen)
If you're just a troll who's been bullshitting us for ages, at least have compassion for the PV survivors being interviewed. You come crashing into a forum we're trying to keep moderated and free of people with an agenda of the likes of you. Die Yuppie Scum will end up viewing you as a parental disease. He doesn't scare, PV was so bad he managed to work his way out by doing what PV wanted him to do. PV failed.
I'm not expecting compassion from you, just your quiet apology and promise to stay out of threads where kids are re-visiting a shithole in their minds they managed to escape.
TSW is pro-active in addressing the abuses in facilities like PV, and ending them.
Again, what is your function, who?
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Good points are your defense Psy. I'm amused, as always, about his wild accusations. I think for my own amusement I'm going to suggest to that friend I told you about to do his "thing".
Why that sounds just delightful... I approve of this message.
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Who is editing and adding to my posts? This is twice I've come back to something I wrote and found passages I didn't write. What's going on, and why does someone feel it necessary to change my posts? I'm absolutely sure they've been changed, and I don't like the additions. This isn't what Fornits is about. I fucking well know what I wrote.
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for the record zen... it was st patty's day, not valentines day.
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On a different note... "who" I am amazed at your inability to realize the damage these facilities as a whole create. You claim they helped you and helped control your daughter. If your goal was to emotionaly break her and have her be reduced to a sniveling submissivie human being... then yes I would agree with you the program helped. But I gaurentee you who, if you ever had to spend even ONE day at a facility like PV or Tranquility Bay, or any of the other POW camps they try to pass off as treatment centers you would most likely snap. Because based on what I have seen of your writings you do not live in reality. At places like PV daydreaming is not an option... you can't pretend you are somewhere else when the reality is you are locked in a basement and sitting on a bed 22 hours a day, having to be told when to piss and being fed mass ammounts of theraputic bullshit... Being used as a free sorce of labor when buildings on the grounds needed repair. Your hardwired brain would sizzle and you would most likely would have been restrained and quite possibly jacked up with thorazine. What you did to your child was unacceptable, and as far as I am concerned you owe her the world on a fucking platter. That girl deserves to be pampered and praised after the months of degrading treatment and emotionaly damaging "feedback" she recieved. I am not a suvivor "who" Iam a god damn, mother fuckin, hard as nails, crass and brass, warrior. I took everything PV threw at me and made one big joke of it... Because thst all it is... a joke, a sick joke to be sure but a joke all the same. Th eonly thing PV taught me is that I can do any thing I put my mind to. The only thing that makes me feel horrible about myself is the fact that my treatment brethren and sisters took it much more emotionaly then I did... And for that I feel guilty, that I was not as traumatized and that I don't have nightmares... I feel guilty that I can sleep at night and can look poeple dead in the eye when I talk to them. But thats just me, thats just because before PV ever got their hands on me I was traveling across the United states at the age of 12 by freight trains, because my whole mentality when they got their hands on me was live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse. I'll never forget the first thing I ever said to Todd Roberts when he introduced himself, as if he was the shit simply because he was a head of a place that tortured teens.... "Eat shit and die" Was all I said to him. And thats all I say now to you. Eat shit and die you pompus, self rightious, conceited waste of genetic material. People like you are the reason there should be lincencing for having children. Any guy with a dick can have a kid, but it takes a man to be a true father.
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Who is editing and adding to my posts? This is twice I've come back to something I wrote and found passages I didn't write. What's going on, and why does someone feel it necessary to change my posts? I'm absolutely sure they've been changed, and I don't like the additions. This isn't what Fornits is about. I fucking well know what I wrote.
Look, I haven’t trolled, as you call it, the PV thread/discussion and I am not aware of the discussion you have been having because I haven’t read over there nor aware it was moved. I havent bothered with your discussion, until I was trolled with the gorilla by TSW…. Just handing it back. I was asked to stop and I did, Niles and TSW were asked to stop also, so that should be the end of it. I have no interest to be in the Facilities…. Forum, so this wont be an issue.
As far as the “Editing of posts” by someone else…it has been happening to me all along, it sucks when they use something you haven’t said against you. But there is nothing we can do about it, except warn other people about it. It might be better if I go back to loging in as a guest, which could be a solution of sorts.
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I hope you all realize that more than likely The Who is posting bits and pieces of his own IP to implicate others. Nice try old chap, but you won't get off with it that easy you sad cunt.
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Who is editing and adding to my posts? This is twice I've come back to something I wrote and found passages I didn't write. What's going on, and why does someone feel it necessary to change my posts? I'm absolutely sure they've been changed, and I don't like the additions. This isn't what Fornits is about. I fucking well know what I wrote.
Look, I haven’t trolled, as you call it, the PV thread/discussion and I am not aware of the discussion you have been having because I haven’t read over there nor aware it was moved. I havent bothered with your discussion, until I was trolled with the gorilla by TSW…. Just handing it back. I was asked to stop and I did, Niles and TSW were asked to stop also, so that should be the end of it. I have no interest to be in the Facilities…. Forum, so this wont be an issue.
As far as the “Editing of posts” by someone else…it has been happening to me all along, it sucks when they use something you haven’t said against you. But there is nothing we can do about it, except warn other people about it. It might be better if I go back to loging in as a guest, which could be a solution of sorts.
Dude....it's a picture of a gorilla. I've been through trolls who attack my family and know a little too much about details of our day to day life. Keep telling yourself "It's only a lower primate..."
Which brings me to the next point: who, those things in my post about your daughter I did not write. Seriously, I went through a trolling recently, and one thing that bothered me were the comments about my daughter.
Some of that post is my actual message, but there are long passages I didn't write. I'm at a loss to explain. What I wrote wasn't so personal an attack, I'm trying to avoid engaging in that game. I'll PM Ginger to see what's happening, and see if I could have been tampered with.
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for the record zen... it was st patty's day, not valentines day.
Yeah, D, I remember because you told me St. Patty was Greek, not Irish. I know it sounds a little paranoid, but someone, somehow, edited my original post. You and I both know it was St. Patrick's day, I remember the conversation well. Why someone added that passage about us talking on Valentine's Day is odd. I mean, I quit engaging in booze and pharmaceuticals well over a decade ago, I don't have those weird lapses of... uh...of...that thing that makes you know what you did...Memory! Yeah, that doesn't happen anymore.
I'll find out what happened. Beyond that, how's it going, DYS? We need to pick a time to have a phone chat again. My step daughter is an Honors graduate, she seems to have taken your advice and said "screw PV, I'm going to do my thing regardless," My wife and I are proud of her.
Nice to see GG. My step-son is a big fan of GG, I gave him copies of some of my CD's and bought him a cool GG and the Scumfucks t-shirt, which I think he had to turn inside out when he went to visit his uptight biological father. I don't know why, his dad drinks more than GG ever did, and God knows he's a scumfuck.
Give my best to your lady, DYS, and I'll talk to you soon.
Addendum: I cleaned up my messed-up post and put St. Patrick back where he should be. Also, I just finished reading your response to thewho. Man, you've got it together, I know people more than twice your age who don't know if it's day or night because their heads are up their asses. You get the award for telling the who exactly what it is. Take care.
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Zen wrote:
Dude....it's a picture of a gorilla. I've been through trolls who attack my family and know a little too much about details of our day to day life. Keep telling yourself "It's only a lower primate..."
I don’t understand why someone would want to do this to another person’s family, why not keep it on the forum? There are people here who want to give out my IP address and this makes no sense to me, anything someone would want to say to me can be said on the forum, there are no restrictions. There is a PM function for those who want it private and also email. So why bother with the IP?
There are people on fornits who get a kick out of just exposing other people or ruining kids careers by posting their names and photos and I don’t see what purpose this serves…anyway, I take your point about the gorilla.
Which brings me to the next point: who, those things in my post about your daughter I did not write. Seriously, I went through a trolling recently, and one thing that bothered me were the comments about my daughter…….. Some of that post is my actual message, but there are long passages I didn't write. I'm at a loss to explain. What I wrote wasn't so personal an attack, I'm trying to avoid engaging in that game. I'll PM Ginger to see what's happening, and see if I could have been tampered with.
I understand, it happens to me too…there are posts of me saying my daughter ran away, doesn’t speak to me anymore etc…. what can I do? I didn’t write them. Good luck bringing the problem up, you may get a better response because you are more anti-program than I am.
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I raped my daughter in her ass and in her mouth until she ran away from home to escape my abusing her.
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On a different note... "who" I am amazed at your inability to realize the damage these facilities as a whole create. You claim they helped you and helped control your daughter. If your goal was to emotionaly break her and have her be reduced to a sniveling submissivie human being... then yes I would agree with you the program helped. But I gaurentee you who, if you ever had to spend even ONE day at a facility like PV or Tranquility Bay, or any of the other POW camps they try to pass off as treatment centers you would most likely snap. Because based on what I have seen of your writings you do not live in reality. At places like PV daydreaming is not an option... you can't pretend you are somewhere else when the reality is you are locked in a basement and sitting on a bed 22 hours a day, having to be told when to piss and being fed mass ammounts of theraputic bullshit... Being used as a free sorce of labor when buildings on the grounds needed repair. Your hardwired brain would sizzle and you would most likely would have been restrained and quite possibly jacked up with thorazine. What you did to your child was unacceptable, and as far as I am concerned you owe her the world on a fucking platter. That girl deserves to be pampered and praised after the months of degrading treatment and emotionaly damaging "feedback" she recieved. I am not a suvivor "who" Iam a god damn, mother fuckin, hard as nails, crass and brass, warrior. I took everything PV threw at me and made one big joke of it... Because thst all it is... a joke, a sick joke to be sure but a joke all the same. Th eonly thing PV taught me is that I can do any thing I put my mind to. The only thing that makes me feel horrible about myself is the fact that my treatment brethren and sisters took it much more emotionaly then I did... And for that I feel guilty, that I was not as traumatized and that I don't have nightmares... I feel guilty that I can sleep at night and can look poeple dead in the eye when I talk to them. But thats just me, thats just because before PV ever got their hands on me I was traveling across the United states at the age of 12 by freight trains, because my whole mentality when they got their hands on me was live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse. I'll never forget the first thing I ever said to Todd Roberts when he introduced himself, as if he was the shit simply because he was a head of a place that tortured teens.... "Eat shit and die" Was all I said to him. And thats all I say now to you. Eat shit and die you pompus, self rightious, conceited waste of genetic material. People like you are the reason there should be lincencing for having children. Any guy with a dick can have a kid, but it takes a man to be a true father.
Sounds awful, DieYuppieScum, and I am sorry you and others had to live thru all of that…I feel fortunate for myself and daughter that she didn’t have to endure what you went thru. We are lucky to have chosen a program which recognized each child’s needs and gave them the space and safety to grow and she looks back with no hesitation to say it taught her a lot and was a good experience for her (in hindsight).
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any time you are ready zen Iam open for discussion, as for you "who" your "kill them with kindness" tactic does not wotk on me. I still think regardless of where you sent her it was not acceptable and you owe your daughter a huge motherfucking apology.
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any time you are ready zen Iam open for discussion, as for you "who" your "kill them with kindness" tactic does not wotk on me. I still think regardless of where you sent her it was not acceptable and you owe your daughter a huge motherfucking apology.
Well, if the day ever comes that she feels she needs an apology from me, for anything I did, she knows she will get one. I don’t expect you to understand, seems the two programs are miles apart. I have a hard time understanding why other programs are the way they are and why they use such a strong arm on the kids.
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because it's about making money.... lots and lots of money. It's a matter of power and satasfaction of being able to say "I can hurt you and no one can protect you because they don't know what happnes here. And even if you tell them it wont matter because they wont believe you"
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Ok, anybody who thinks they've been hacked please change your password. We're looking into it on this end.
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Ok, anybody who thinks they've been hacked please change your password. We're looking into it on this end.
No, I'm not sure if I was hacked or or a victim of fatigue. It's likely I was really tired, but then again, I wouldn't have hassled on the Who's kid. Hope all is well
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Ok, anybody who thinks they've been hacked please change your password. We're looking into it on this end.
No, I'm not sure if I was hacked or or a victim of fatigue. It's likely I was really tired, but then again, I wouldn't have hassled on the Who's kid. Hope all is well
I tried to link to an example of a post that was altered over in the "Facilities..." thread, but it got deleted before I could do it. It would be nice (for everyone) if they could resolve the problem and I think you helped to get their attention and to realize this is a real issue....
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Really could you give up playing the victim? It is getting old.
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he thinks if he harps on it long enough people will give a shit. He thinks everybody else has a memory as short as his.
@Who: You trolled in a moderated forum. What happens to your post after that is the moderator's decision. You posted a gorilla, it got edited and/or deleted. Whoop-e-di-fucking-doo...
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I think he is saying I changed some of his comments also. Can't really remember if I did or not. I was in Itaewon that night and for sure I wasn't in church praying.
Either way it isn't like I give a toot.
If you do post in the Q/A forum I've always reserved the right to modify them in any manner I see fit. This isn't a new policy towards yourself. In fact it came into being very soon after the forum was established. Normally you have a much better memory. Though I'm not at all surprised about the selectivity of The Who's memory on this matter.
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Can't really remember if I did or not. I was in Itaewon that night and for sure I wasn't in church praying.
Either way it isn't like I give a toot.
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Please,dont brag to us again about your Russian Ass-capades in the Korean Sauna :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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he thinks if he harps on it long enough people will give a shit. He thinks everybody else has a memory as short as his.
@Who: You trolled in a moderated forum. What happens to your post after that is the moderator's decision. You posted a gorilla, it got edited and/or deleted. Whoop-e-di-fucking-doo...
You are the one who complained about the gorilla, not us. I was trying to show an example of a post that was edited “Without the edit stamp”…I don’t typically post in the “Facilities…” thread and know my posts have only a few hour shelf live ,at best, when and if I do.
How come everyone is so edgy lately?
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Don't act surprised. Fornits is just like every other part of your life, Who. PEOPLE ARE SICK OF YOU. It's not like this is a new thing for you.
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perhaps he is not used to such a large group being agrivated at him all at once.
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perhaps he is not used to such a large group being agrivated at him all at once.
Oh, yes, he's familiar with being loathed by the masses. DYS, I was thinking about our conversation. (I'll call again soon. I didn't expect my stepdaughter to get on the phone like that, but I was really glad she did. She hasn't expressed much interest in talking about PV or to other former PV people, but I think she liked your posts on TSW's thread. Some of what she told you I hadn't heard about. I do have a couple of important issues we didn't get to, but that was a good conversation for my step daughter and me, hope it was cool with you)
When we were trying to get my step daughter out of PV, she held her ground against the program's self-destroying attacks, even when staff lied to her and, God forgive me for using the word, "manipulated" her. She would not allow herself to be broken down. I told my wife it was because she knew we were trying to get her out of that shitpit, and that gave her hope. The program cannot tear a kid down if he/she has any kind of hope.
So when you said "I'd put up signs anywhere kids could see them through windows, wherever, that say "There is hope!" I couldn't agree more. That's why PV demands 100% compliance and acceptance from parents who place their kids there. If a parent questions the abusive nature of the place, they're a threat. PV tells parents: "If you're against the program, you're against your child," an attempt to "manipulate" already troubled and guilty parents. A kid with hope can't be "broken down", and that's a damn fine thing, since no one at PV has the skills or training to accomplish the next part of that program mantra, "and built back up". PV's under-educated gooners can do the breaking down of kids, but they're clueless as thewho's gorilla about re-building them.
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I just noticed you have a disclaimer at the bottom of your threads....
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It's kind of a joke...Sue Scheff the EdCon and Isabelle Zehnder the "Life Coach" (what the...?) use it on their blogs in an attempt to dodge being sued while they sue anyone who points out their shitloads of lies. My disclaimer is just like theirs. Hell, it's exactly like theirs. Izzy coiled up and hissed at me recently for pointing out she's a miserable toad-licker on her blog, so I decided to protect myself. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. Consider it my internet jimmy-hat.
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I tried calling ya but no answer