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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 02, 2007, 07:18:13 AM
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Elan was a big $$$ maker in the State of Maine.To some degree still is. Where do you think this racetrack came from? I think the bulk of money now comes from Scar Downs as opposed to years back was the other way around.
Now they prob use Elan as a tax shelter.I cant think the size of their current population pays well after all is said and done. I have an inside source who has been to the campus many times. Its falling apart.They have done nothing to update the conditions that these children live in.The food they fed I am told is the same crap.
They have the former head of education from the state on the payroll. I bet he provides a good cover for in-state inspections.However he was not able to stop the NY state from removing their perspective children from the hell hole.
Back in the 70's,Joe was a clever man who hid money well. But with today's laws and such,its harder to hide the abuse.Abuse of power.Abuse of children.Abuse of monies entrusted to Elan for the care of children.Abuse of billing parents,school districts,insurance co's for things they never provided.
I completely believe they killed this kid.
I also believe that its the tip of the iceberg
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(http://http://www.elanschool.com/images/Elan_Images/elan_is_hope.gif)
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(http://http://www.elanschool.com/images/Elan_Images/elan_is_hope.gif)
I hope you're posting this shit to be sarcastic and funny..Please tell me you don't belive it..
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So, who's making the browsers crash ... Janice or java.gurl?
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Whose browser is crashing? Not mine...
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Elan was a big $$$ maker in the State of Maine.To some degree still is. Where do you think this racetrack came from? I think the bulk of money now comes from Scar Downs as opposed to years back was the other way around.
Now they prob use Elan as a tax shelter.I cant think the size of their current population pays well after all is said and done. I have an inside source who has been to the campus many times. Its falling apart.They have done nothing to update the conditions that these children live in.The food they fed I am told is the same crap.
They have the former head of education from the state on the payroll. I bet he provides a good cover for in-state inspections.However he was not able to stop the NY state from removing their perspective children from the hell hole.
Back in the 70's,Joe was a clever man who hid money well. But with today's laws and such,its harder to hide the abuse.Abuse of power.Abuse of children.Abuse of monies entrusted to Elan for the care of children.Abuse of billing parents,school districts,insurance co's for things they never provided.
I completely believe they killed this kid.
I also believe that its the tip of the iceberg
Here's another thought as to how they get away with it: Who owns essentially all the media outlets in the state of Maine?
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The Elan gif deal crashes some of my browsers consistently. But no problem to work around it..
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That graphic is great, very 1984 vibe to it
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That one is much more fitting...
That's actually pretty sad
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=7990#7990 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=7990#7990)
This couldn't possibly be the same Elan I was at in the 80's.Allthough what you mentioned was not appropriate, Much worse things happened there. I witnessed a close fried die in the boxing ring. Phil was a Coordinator Trainee,who complained of headaches. The Staff felt he was malingering so as not have to be C.O.D. and give haircuts from the incident book. it all boiled down to a GM and Phil was put into the ring. after 2 rounds, he fell to the floor, started vomiting and was dead. The next day, they had that hack they called a nurse come tell us he died of an anorism. There were far too many attrocities for me to post here, People on house rejection in the dead of winter, people scrubbing out dumpsters with tooth brushes. And a post above told of "strengths" beating a splitee. This was a common practice. Trackers were give what was called "open physical violence" against anyone who ran away. The house I was in was Elan 7 aka the State house. Many degrading and yes abusive things happened there. Even when you walked in the door, you were made to clean toilets with your bare hands. It was like being thrust into an alien world. I'll agree, there was some "bad" staff there, but remember, they didn't do much of the dirty work, they had us, the residents to run the asylum.
I hope things have gotten better there. They used to call themselves the "Last Resort". It's like no resort I ever want to return to.....
What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson
In the early 90's when I hit the scene it had calmed down a tad..
What was "House rejection"?
I got booted the fuck out of my original house in a GM is that what you meant?
My God that was humiliating! The way Marc did it was ...was..I can not even think of a word good enough to describe it!
People did clean the dumpster outside of the Elan 3 kitchen door...They would bring bucket after bucket of hot water out and "GI". Although I recall no one ever "scrubbing" the insides.
You are right though, The staff just "supervised" the students "beating up" on one another..They baited them and they took the bait...They happily participated in the goings on in the house they were in..
Who is really at fault at times I wonder..I KNEW it was dead fucking wrong to treat others that way so I would not participate..something called a conscience I guess..YET...the need to "survive" overtook ones conscience at times....Kinda a fucked position to be in as a not even adult yet huh?
I used to think of a movie I saw once before Elan..A lady was told to pick one of her 2 kids to die, if she did not make the choice BOTH would die..
Elan "forced the hand" of people who would of otherwise never acted a certain way to act that way to "survive". It took a stronger person to go against the grain than to go with it in my opinion.
We all know what happened to those who went against the grain..It was not pretty my friends..No it was not...Still some were troopers and stuck to their guns..God bless em..Some called them stupid..some thought they were great..I wonder what their psychiatrists charged them after Elan to get their heads back on straight again..if ever.
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U can all stop bitching about it, because in 2000 Elan has eliminated the ring from its program.
Oh, and that one wee aspect totally changes the mindfuckery?
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NO it certainly does not. But, it is a start. All you have to do to find peace, at least for me, is remember the good things because there were a few. As for the bad shit , just throw up your middle finger and move on.
And let the new kids suffer in Elan?
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NO it certainly does not. But, it is a start. All you have to do to find peace, at least for me, is remember the good things because there were a few. As for the bad shit , just throw up your middle finger and move on.
Seems to me that perhaps the good things just were 'cause people are people, and friends will be friends, no matter what. No matter where you were during this time of your life, you would have some good memories.
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NO it certainly does not. But, it is a start. All you have to do to find peace, at least for me, is remember the good things because there were a few. As for the bad shit , just throw up your middle finger and move on.
Seems to me that perhaps the good things just were 'cause people are people, and friends will be friends, no matter what. No matter where you were during this time of your life, you would have some good memories.
Please, please do not misunderstand me I hate Elan, my thoughts are not an attempt to gain any kind of sympathy for Elan what so ever. I just feel that complaining does very little. If anyone wants to actually do something tangible about Elan I am with you all the way.
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NO it certainly does not. But, it is a start. All you have to do to find peace, at least for me, is remember the good things because there were a few. As for the bad shit , just throw up your middle finger and move on.
Seems to me that perhaps the good things just were 'cause people are people, and friends will be friends, no matter what. No matter where you were during this time of your life, you would have some good memories.
Please, please do not misunderstand me I hate Elan, my thoughts are not an attempt to gain any kind of sympathy for Elan what so ever. I just feel that complaining does very little. If anyone wants to actually do something tangible about Elan I am with you all the way.
Didn't intend to undercut your intentions, sorry if it appeared that way.
I do want to point out, however, that "complaining" is sometimes necessary for some people to heal. I do think you need to respect the "to each his own" philosophy, as much as is possible... It also helps people to read that others went through the same or similar thing, so "commiserating" is not necessarily a bad thing. Hopefully it is but the first step to understanding, and thence on to change, and bigger and better pastures?
Just my humble opinion, for what's worth... :)
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I wouldn't have learned about any of this stuff if no one complained. Same goes for program parents, some come on here thinking they've found a "safe" program because they can't find any complaints or abuse allegations. Truth is many abusive places slide under the radar, and then something horrible happens and everyone is shocked. I also believe that no matter when the abuse occurred the program responsible should be shutdown and held accountable for any harm caused. It's not right for any facility to abuse kids, deny it, and then go along it's merry way. Letting the issue go only shows abusers that they can get away with it, and chances are they'll do it again.
I don't know what can be done besides raising awareness, which is a great start. I'm still trying to get a grasp on what Elan was/is exactly, but what I have learned already seems bad. I wish I could offer some real suggestions beyond the obvious.
But yeah keep talking if you can, keeps folks educated...