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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 29, 2007, 08:01:40 PM
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Does isolating a teenager, for years, from the opposite sex have any effect on their sexual development or social abilities after they leave?
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None whatsoever... :roll: :oops: :P :flame: :evil: :lol: :skull:
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes
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I'm almost there, baby!
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:lol: .
That's a heavy question but one I've been considering too, so I'm glad you ask. In $tr8 we weren't even supposed to look at girls, which was of course impossible. I was 16 when I went in and there were some really cute bad girls in there. The only time we were allowed to look at a girl was if she was talkin in group, in which case we were required to pay attention and would likely be restrained if we didn't. $tr8 repressed our nature; made us sick with their perversions. Made us feel guilty and ashamed of our natural ways. What a gang 'a' sick fucks who kept us so isolated all that time. They are insecure fearful and weak. Building illusions of security in vain attempts to secure themselves in a world of suffering and death.
They saw us, and their illusions were threatened. Their fear of what we could become gripped them and so they acted on their desperate and cowardly thoughts and took everything from us and stripped us and dehumanized us and raped our minds until we were quiet and willing slaves. They inflicted us with their own fears, fears I had never known before.
Yeah, really, growin up is confusing enough as it is, let alone in a cultic environment of sexual repression. I would say there are definate repercussions. Not to mention all the other social repercussions that are caused by months and years of isolation and psychological duress.
I think this is an important subject.
Fuck Authority!
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yes
it destroys confidence among other things
makes the other sex seem "dirty"
makes sex seem dirty
i could go on but anybody who has been there knows exactly what i'm talking about
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... I mean there we were. Isolated in such a severe way from each other,and especially from the opposite sex, and even separated from ourselves. All the things that we all needed so badly were taken from us: contact with those we loved. We were entirely isolated and made to repress all our natural inclinations. And in the middle of all this deprivation, these beautiful martyred young women, who'd been stripped of everything and who were so enobled, would stand up and movingly tell some shameful story full of incredibly arousing visions...
respectfully, pirate.
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This thread just brought up something sort of related that I'd forgotten. In this one girls' rap, the topic was masturbation. We were made to tell "incidents" related to the topic - usually supposed to be drug/alcohol related, but w/ this particular topic, it didn't matter. Anyway, the chosen story was this one girl's description of how she used to be so proud of masturbation and being able to bring herself to orgasm and now she knew how wrong and "deviant" that was. She explicitly stated how she realized that she was not worth loving, therefore masturbation was perverse. She was excessively praised for whatever that was, she made step one soon after.
That was fucked....
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I have a couple thoughts on this.
Initially I thought the separation was a good thing. Many girls (especially) have body image issues thanks in part to our lookism culture. My daughter actually found being separated from boys liberating. She didn't feel the constant pressure to look a certain way. She was able to put her hair in a pony tail, forgo makeup and wear her comfy loose fitting jeans ... because she wasn't feeling that pressure to 'present' herself in a certain way every day.
However, I have read studies that indicate that when males and females are separated for long periods of time, they will express them selves sexually with the same sex. Happens in prisons, TBS's, etc. Happened in my daughters school. Girls would come in straight, and because they were isolated from males and all 'normal' opportunity to express their sexuality, they would turn to the another girl. I don't believe most of these girls were gay or bisexual. I believe the isolation further confused them. So in that regard, separation was very unhealthy.
Interesting question.
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Actually even at normal single sexed boarding school girls who Identify as straigh will sometimes experiment. To some extent it is a comfort thing
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However, I have read studies that indicate that when males and females are separated for long periods of time, they will express them selves sexually with the same sex.
Can't suppress the forces of nature. I too have heard about this in TBSs, and not just with the girls.
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Rumors of program induced homosexuality, IMO, are greatly exaggerated. For some odd reason this seems to be a fear of many parents though. :oops:
"You ain't turning my kid faggy are yas?!" :flame: :roll: :P
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I saw two guys get 'stood up' for ass faggotry once in Straight Inc.
Some kid was ass-raped by his oldcummer...
(or the 'rape-ee' was perhaps into it, fuck if I know).
I later read about this incident on one of these sites, and some people were able to recall more particulars -- like blood on one of the seats, and maybe one of the kids got terminated or something; not really all that important I guess....
I'm sure that they were warned not to mention it to anyone.. "confidentiality" and all, don'tcha know...
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I was worried all day today.
My daughter is five years old, and I have run out of books.
Without books, there is no stories to tell her.
Without stories to tell her, she never goes to bed.
If she doesn't go to bed, she's tired at school.
If she's tired at school, she gets bad grades.
If she gets bad grades she will not go to college.
If she doesn't go to college she will be poor.
If she is poor she might not have any books.
If she doesn't have any books what will she read her kids?
Alas, I have found a story to tell her.
You have not only saved her life.
But countless future generations.
God bless you and your story.
:o :( :x :evil:
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:roll: ::huh:: ::phone::
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However, I have read studies that indicate that when males and females are separated for long periods of time, they will express them selves sexually with the same sex.
Can't suppress the forces of nature. I too have heard about this in TBSs, and not just with the girls.
Yeah... but when you get caught.. they are more than willing to tell your parents.. I'm waiting for the first kid to kill his/herself after that happens... Doh... wait. it probably already has.
Even if it didn't happen, they're more than willing to tell your parents it did... For example, I, allegedly, gave head to a plunger with a condom on it... WTF... we weren't even allowed condoms in program. Needless to say, my parents were suitably shocked... Hey.. They knew what buttons to push and they jammed em all HARD.
Ah the lovable Carl Janowitz.. and all the tales he spun... I hope his cancer kills him slowly.
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Even if it didn't happen, they're more than willing to tell your parents it did... For example, I, allegedly, gave head to a plunger with a condom on it... WTF... we weren't even allowed condoms in program. Needless to say, my parents were suitably shocked...
Why would they do this? Why did they tell this bullshit to your parents?
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Actually even at normal single sexed boarding school girls who Identify as straigh will sometimes experiment. To some extent it is a comfort thing
Well duh.. Personally I think everybody has experimented at some point in time.. If not, they should. Problem is... when most people experiment, they aren't brought out in front of group and told to reveal in great explicit detail what happened.... And this happened.
Two girls who were playing around with sticking their tongue through their fingers were called out in front of group for being lesbian. They were best friends, but not lovers. Didn't matter. Rumor was enough for permanent bans.
Hey.. howabout the girl who masturbated with the spatula and was put on bans with cookware... They limited her apartment's utensils, counted them, and searched under her bed... Well since they didn't allow electric toothbrushes, porn, or any sort of sex-toy... people improvise. Again.. girl was humiliated in front of group.
Or the guy was caught with a dildo... well apparantly he just wanted to feel what it was like... so he managed to get one. You can imagine how bad that was for him in group considering he wasn't gay (but they tried to tell him he was).
Or the tape recording of sex (god knows how he got a tape recorder in) one partner made secretly... Well... After finding the tape, they played it for group.
How about the girl that accused a guy in program of rape... Well she was just a drama queen. Never investigated.
Girls were called sluts in group. no surprise there. Guys... Well they were just being guys. Them girls should keep their legs shut! (to be fair, one female counselor (Joelle) did the opposite and always blamed the guy)
Or how about the counselor (Joelle) who liked to tell stories about how she masturbates while driving.
Or Mike Martin, who once called me a "devil worshiping faggot" (witnessed by Brian W.)
Passing notes... BANS... talking one on one... BANS... a flirtation... BANS... God help you if they found you fucking. You can pretty much guarantee never talking to her/him again.
We were trained see the "wee wee" and "ta ta" as evil.
People still did their business... they just felt dirty about it. I really wish ill on program for that. I wish a great deal of ill. I used to be able to ask girls out. not anymore. too shy. i used to flirt. I used to be charming. Now people think: oh.. he's just some cold intellectual... I want who I used to be back.
Jayne longnecker: I hope you burn in hell.
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Even if it didn't happen, they're more than willing to tell your parents it did... For example, I, allegedly, gave head to a plunger with a condom on it... WTF... we weren't even allowed condoms in program. Needless to say, my parents were suitably shocked...
Why would they do this? Why did they tell this bullshit to your parents?
Why else? To demonstrate you're a wild monster.. far worse than they realized. To keep you there longer. To make more money. To discredit you when you denied it. To build mistrust. To further the rift between parent and child. Programs can't work if they don't control communication, and you can permanantly damage/sever communication by doing such things.
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Why else? To demonstrate you're a wild monster.. far worse than they realized. To keep you there longer. To make more money. To discredit you when you denied it. To build mistrust. To further the rift between parent and child. Programs can't work if they don't control communication, and you can permanantly damage/sever communication by doing such things.
Yeah but that just sounds like such a bizarre thing to make up about someone.. you know?
I mean you gotta wonder how those a-holes came up with that one.. :roll:
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Jayne Longnecker
Jesus Christ.. :rofl: . What a name... ::bwahaha::
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Jayne Longnecker
Jesus Christ.. :rofl: . What a name... ::bwahaha::
deepthroater?
Yeah... and a personality to match.
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Why else? To demonstrate you're a wild monster.. far worse than they realized. To keep you there longer. To make more money. To discredit you when you denied it. To build mistrust. To further the rift between parent and child. Programs can't work if they don't control communication, and you can permanantly damage/sever communication by doing such things.
Yeah but that just sounds like such a bizarre thing to make up about someone.. you know?
I mean you gotta wonder how those a-holes came up with that one.. :roll:
I have no clue... It is possible it was a rumor somebody made up (but i doubt that since I didn't hear of it till my parents told me...). Rumors were enough to get ppl in trouble. My parents, given their background, bought it, hook, line, and sinker. According to their shrink (who doesn't work for benchmark, but gets most of his business from them), i was headed to the bathhouses of San-Franisisco, where I would get aids and die... Parents bought that one too...
Hilarious thing was, I'm not the promiscuous type... at all.
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I have no clue... It is possible it was a rumor somebody made up (but i doubt that since I didn't hear of it till my parents told me...). Rumors were enough to get ppl in trouble. My parents, given their background, bought it, hook, line, and sinker. According to their shrink (who doesn't work for benchmark, but gets most of his business from them), i was headed to the bathhouses of San-Franisisco, where I would get aids and die... Parents bought that one too...
Hilarious thing was, I'm not the promiscuous type... at all.
Yeah it's really fucked how the program will misread & misunderstand people to ludicrous degrees like that.
So it was probably staff who made up that shit about you I guess.
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One of the best things about being kept away from boys is that any man, no matter how old, what he has to do with the program, whether he is your houseparent, or your shrink, maybe even perhaps an owner, can get lucky lol???? They get their pick of all of us young girls. We almost welcome it. We get taken advantage of in a way?!! But, who cares right?
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One of the best things about being kept away from boys is that any man, no matter how old, what he has to do with the program, whether he is your houseparent, or your shrink, maybe even perhaps an owner, can get lucky lol???? They get their pick of all of us young girls. We almost welcome it. We get taken advantage of in a way?!! But, who cares right?
Lots of people care, and so should you. Under those circumstances it is rape.
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One of the best things about being kept away from boys is that any man, no matter how old, what he has to do with the program, whether he is your houseparent, or your shrink, maybe even perhaps an owner, can get lucky lol???? They get their pick of all of us young girls. We almost welcome it. We get taken advantage of in a way?!! But, who cares right?
Kids in this situation do get taken advantage of by sick adults. You may not be aware CCM that some kids who are victims of incest find it confusing because they did not find the experience physically unpleasant this doesnt make it ok.
Over here (and I assume in the US) shrinks who have even a consensual relationship with their adult patients are in HUGE trouble. So when underage kids are involved, some of whom may have significant issues the moral wrong is very grave.
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One of the best things about being kept away from boys is that any man, no matter how old, what he has to do with the program, whether he is your houseparent, or your shrink, maybe even perhaps an owner, can get lucky lol???? They get their pick of all of us young girls. We almost welcome it. We get taken advantage of in a way?!! But, who cares right?
Kids in this situation do get taken advantage of by sick adults. You may not be aware CCM that some kids who are victims of incest find it confusing because they did not find the experience physically unpleasant this doesnt make it ok.
"Houseparent" doesn't usually refer to your actual parents - just whatever program parent gets to take you home for the night. Also known as "foster parents", "host home parents", etc.
Rachael
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Yeah i was aware, i guess I was more drawing the analogy :)
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I guess that poses a more interesting question... Is a sexual interaction with a program parent on the same level as incest? You have the same power dynamic as with an abusive parent, so in many ways it is the same. Hmm, something to think about.
Rachael
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One of the best things about being kept away from boys is that any man, no matter how old, what he has to do with the program, whether he is your houseparent, or your shrink, maybe even perhaps an owner, can get lucky lol???? They get their pick of all of us young girls. We almost welcome it. We get taken advantage of in a way?!! But, who cares right?
I care, Who's up for some draw and quartering (medieval torture and such)?
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http://www.therealexcel.tk/# (http://www.therealexcel.tk/#)
....to this day can't even walk up to a girl a talk to her because of the imprint Excel has left on me. I feel like I'm doing something terribly wrong. To be fair I am a much better person with what most who know me would say a very kind and generous character, but I am unable to deal with everyday social interactions with females like a normal person. I used to be quite the casanova, but now I haven't even had a girlfriend in the almost year I've been back from Excel. I was there for almost 3 years. The funny thing is, and I don't want to sound arrogant, many people have told me that I'm a very attractive man. I can't even explain the feelings of shame and guilt i feel when look at a woman.
http://www.therealexcel.tk/# (http://www.therealexcel.tk/#)
Long story short i was in conroe, texas for 4 and a half years. Sure I graduated but was it really necessary? By the time i left i felt like a Vietnam Veteran, coming back from war. I had no social skills outside of Excel nor did I feel safe or confident in any situation besides that of being enclosed within Excel walls.
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One of the best things about being kept away from boys is that any man, no matter how old, what he has to do with the program, whether he is your houseparent, or your shrink, maybe even perhaps an owner, can get lucky lol???? They get their pick of all of us young girls. We almost welcome it. We get taken advantage of in a way?!! But, who cares right?
Hey, it worked for Warren Jeffs.
Isolation also makes it easier to confuse the girls into thinking they "asked for it" or that it really was somehow consensual. They don't have any active crushes on boys their own age, boys who are actually present day in and day out, to compare their reactions against.
Not to mention the notorious "transference" effect where patients become infatuated with their doctor or therapist.
Julie