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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: TheWho on April 29, 2007, 11:16:26 AM
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Hey Y'all! Its Porsche again...Yesturday i posted an apology to HLA, HLA staff and students for sneaking onto this website and using it to bash HLA. What i forgot to mention was that i was not asked or forced to do this by HLA at all. They did NOT make me send that apology. It was my choice, therefor it WAS NOT coerced. After talking with HLA staff, my friends, and my family, I realized how much hurt i have caused them, so i decided to make the apology. it was the right thing to do, and again i do apologize for my actions.
Porsche Taylor
P.S. I know now that i should wait to voice my opinions until i am free and to voice them in an appropriate way.
Porsche, Sounds like you are growing up and maturing. That was nicely put.
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Hey Y'all! Its Porsche again...Yesturday i posted an apology to HLA, HLA staff and students for sneaking onto this website and using it to bash HLA. What i forgot to mention was that i was not asked or forced to do this by HLA at all. They did NOT make me send that apology. It was my choice, therefor it WAS NOT coerced. After talking with HLA staff, my friends, and my family, I realized how much hurt i have caused them, so i decided to make the apology. it was the right thing to do, and again i do apologize for my actions.
Porsche Taylor
P.S. I know now that i should wait to voice my opinions until i am free and to voice them in an appropriate way.
Porsche, Sounds like you are growing up and maturing. That was nicely put.
You're just as dumb and gullible as they come, Who. Just like your daughter "grew and matured" at ASR only to go right back to drinking, drugging and partying with her "old crowd" within days of her return. If you believe this "apology" I have a program to sell you...
In any case, I'd like to inform readers that this is not a coerced apology from Pooschie. She didn't even write it in fact.
"How could you possibly know if it was or wasn't her?" you may ask.
Simple. It was posted from a Kinko's in New York City, not HLA This "apology" is a phony, posted most likely by the kid's mom who lives in NYC.
Nice try, mommy, but I won't allow you to carry HLA's water with lies. If you have something to say, just say it. But don't pose as your kid making a genuine apology, as everyone already knows that the second she turns 18, she's walking, as she posted from HLA's network.
Just thought I'd end the speculation and clear this up for everyone.
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You're just as dumb and gullible as they come, Who. Just like your daughter "grew and matured" at ASR only to go right back to drinking, drugging and partying with her "old crowd" within days of her return. If you believe this "apology" I have a program to sell you...
Still hurting after I exposed your lies. Can always tell when you get cornered... the personal attacks come out against people and their families, what hurts the most, that ASR has licensed counselors or that the land deal didnt fall thru in New York, I forget Ha,Ha,Ha, .... So much for your inside sources, Huh?
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You're just as dumb and gullible as they come, Who. Just like your daughter "grew and matured" at ASR only to go right back to drinking, drugging and partying with her "old crowd" within days of her return. If you believe this "apology" I have a program to sell you...
Still hurting after I exposed your lies. Can always tell when you get cornered... the personal attacks come out against people and their families, what hurts the most, that ASR has licensed counselors or that the land deal didnt fall thru in New York, I forget Ha,Ha,Ha, .... So much for your inside sources, Huh?
i think you're just sore that all that money you spent on a program was wasted and the program's lies cost you an arm and a leg for no results. remember you are the one who posted that your daughter went back to her old ways as soon as she came home and then stopped talking to you entirely. you told your story online and now you'll have to live with it. sorry, but it's your own fault for posting it! don't try to take it out on others here!
anyway, the important point here is that this girl didn't even write the post and had no apology to offer. not even a coerced one.
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Still hurting after I exposed your lies. Can always tell when you get cornered... the personal attacks come out against people and their families, what hurts the most, that ASR has licensed counselors or that the land deal didnt fall thru in New York, I forget Ha,Ha,Ha, .... So much for your inside sources, Huh?
Youve never exposed anyone's lies. You can't even acknowledge your own.
Why don't you run along and continue offering support for yourself and your licensed social workers anonmously. No one will ever know its you in disguise. 8-)
Stay away from the HLA thread. You know even less about this situation then you do about all the other situations and programs. Considering you don't know anything about them either, that's really saying something.
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No one knows that for sure. It sounds like an apology from the same student , porche. What are people on this thread going to believe, it was from HLA? No way. They are going to try to make everyone believe it was from, Kinkos in NY or a Café in San Jose to serve their purpose.
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No one knows that for sure. It sounds like an apology from the same student , porche. What are people on this thread going to believe, it was from HLA? No way. They are going to try to make everyone believe it was from, Kinkos in NY or a Café in San Jose to serve their purpose.
No, it was posted from a Kinko's in NYC. The moderator can verify.
HLA has a static IP address also and it is very clear when postings come from their network, as the original HLA-bashing posts from Pooschie did.
This is a phony, but I can't say if HLA directed the poster to post it though. No way to tell that.
Deb, can you tell me if this is TheWho posting anon in this forum again? Thanks!
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No one knows that for sure. It sounds like an apology from the same student , porche. What are people on this thread going to believe, it was from HLA? No way. They are going to try to make everyone believe it was from, Kinkos in NY or a Café in San Jose to serve their purpose.
Yeah, its already been checked and verified. I would think at this point all the lapdogs would have learned how easy it is to see whether or not postings are coming from HLA..
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You're just as dumb and gullible as they come, Who. Just like your daughter "grew and matured" at ASR only to go right back to drinking, drugging and partying with her "old crowd" within days of her return. If you believe this "apology" I have a program to sell you...
... the personal attacks come out against people and their families,
Well, OK, I shouldn't have said "dumb," (even though most people reading your posts probably think this - no need to esclate your baby-bahavior unnecessarily :wink: ) but "gullible" you are indeed.
I think it's valid to point out that you said your daughter "grew and matured" but also said that she "went back to her old ways" and "to her old crowd" and as soon as she got home she "quit speaking to" you. You said it - I'm just drawing the parallel your assessment of her "growth" and the "growth" of a girl from HLA, even though it wasn't her posting the "mature" comments.
You say that this kid sounds like she "grew up" and "matured," but it wasn't even her doing the posting.
This is the problem with program parents. They want to believe so badly that what they did to their kids was "right" and "worked" that they overlook the contrary evidence staring them in the face.
A phony post of an "apology" and a kid reverting back to her old behaviors after 22 months in a program - and a hundred therapy sessions - on top of it don't equal "growth"!
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So the moderator is someone who is unbiased?
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The moderator is Deborah, this has never been a secret. She is honest and fair, which is more then any of the lapdogs can claim.
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Whatever her viewpoint, she has always told the truth as born out by the facts. Can't argue with that. Nobody has ever challeged her on the facts at hand. Not to mention she doesn't post anything that can't be proven in court, as HLA tends to be quite litigious - even going as far as to use SLAPP suits against "Jon Doe's".
Sorry, but regardless of your trying to mitigate how bad you made yourself look, AnonWho, you can't. It's not your fault necessarily - you had no way to know this post didn't come from HLA and would desperately want to believe a program caused "growth and maturation" enough to cause you to try to claim this phony post as "evidence". But now that you know it's fake, you ought to lick your wounded pride and try to talk about things you know or understand...
Also, are you calling deb a liar? I know it gets you really mad every time she busts you out for posting anon in these threads and would say anything to try to "get" her. But log in and come out and say you think she's a liar like a man. Don't hide.
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Hmmmm, I think we all got the answer to that one... thanks DJ, Ha,Ha,Ha
Anonwho
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Hmmmm, I think we all got the answer to that one... thanks DJ, Ha,Ha,Ha
What that youre a crybaby coward who emmulates his every action on his role model Veruca Salt?
Cindy we all already knew that about you.
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Hmmmm, I think we all got the answer to that one... thanks DJ, Ha,Ha,Ha
Anonwho
you know what makes him so mad? that he can't post without being identified. this is what REALLY gets people like him, ottawa5 and karenindallas really upset. no anonymity. but i guess he doesn't have the balls to post that deb's a liar because every time he tries to say things about her he's immediately proven to be the one lying. he's nutless.
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You're just as dumb and gullible as they come, Who. Just like your daughter "grew and matured" at ASR only to go right back to drinking, drugging and partying with her "old crowd" within days of her return. If you believe this "apology" I have a program to sell you...
... the personal attacks come out against people and their families,
Well, OK, I shouldn't have said "dumb," (even though most people reading your posts probably think this - no need to esclate your baby-bahavior unnecessarily :wink: ) but "gullible" you are indeed.
I think it's valid to point out that you said your daughter "grew and matured" but also said that she "went back to her old ways" and "to her old crowd" and as soon as she got home she "quit speaking to" you. You said it - I'm just drawing the parallel your assessment of her "growth" and the "growth" of a girl from HLA, even though it wasn't her posting the "mature" comments.
You say that this kid sounds like she "grew up" and "matured," but it wasn't even her doing the posting.
This is the problem with program parents. They want to believe so badly that what they did to their kids was "right" and "worked" that they overlook the contrary evidence staring them in the face.
A phony post of an "apology" and a kid reverting back to her old behaviors after 22 months in a program - and a hundred therapy sessions - on top of it don't equal "growth"!
You enjoy the half truths don’t you….. why don’t you finish the story? That is why no one believes you DJ because you mislead people.
My Daughter did a tremendous amount of work, came very far…to make a long story short, when she came home she went back to her old group of friends and quickly tired of them because she had grown and matured and they did not. She never stopped speaking to me, we have always had open communication.
You seem to take pleasure in attacking people and their families when you get cornered or exposed. Not a good trait, DJ.
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back to the facts at hand. no need to let thewho posting anonymously derail the thread out of anger and feeling tiny!
here's what we know to be true about the phony post:
Hey Y'all! Its Porsche again...Yesturday i posted an apology to HLA, HLA staff and students for sneaking onto this website and using it to bash HLA. What i forgot to mention was that i was not asked or forced to do this by HLA at all. They did NOT make me send that apology. It was my choice, therefor it WAS NOT coerced. After talking with HLA staff, my friends, and my family, I realized how much hurt i have caused them, so i decided to make the apology. it was the right thing to do, and again i do apologize for my actions.
Porsche Taylor
P.S. I know now that i should wait to voice my opinions until i am free and to voice them in an appropriate way.
Porsche, Sounds like you are growing up and maturing. That was nicely put.
You're just as dumb and gullible as they come, Who. Just like your daughter "grew and matured" at ASR only to go right back to drinking, drugging and partying with her "old crowd" within days of her return. If you believe this "apology" I have a program to sell you...
In any case, I'd like to inform readers that this is not a coerced apology from Pooschie. She didn't even write it in fact.
"How could you possibly know if it was or wasn't her?" you may ask.
Simple. It was posted from a Kinko's in New York City, not HLA This "apology" is a phony, posted most likely by the kid's mom who lives in NYC.
Nice try, mommy, but I won't allow you to carry HLA's water with lies. If you have something to say, just say it. But don't pose as your kid making a genuine apology, as everyone already knows that the second she turns 18, she's walking, as she posted from HLA's network.
Just thought I'd end the speculation and clear this up for everyone.
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DJ Wrote:
Also, are you calling deb a liar? ....... Don't hide.
I am not saying she is a liar, but she has deleted my posts in the past and altered the content without my permission. This exposes people to being misquoted.
I asked if you thought she was unbiased in the case of HLA? Because you are asking her to mediate on whether a post is true or not, that was my meaning.
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=21273 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=21273)
yeah, liars shouldn't be calling people liars! site admin already verified that your posts weren't deleted by deborah. sorry, but it's not true.
if you want to argue about that false accusation, do it in the web hosting forum where you can be addressed by the admin.
just to be clear:
This is the last refuge for someone caught blatantly lying so many times that he has no other excuse but "They altered my posts!" What a LOSER.
:rofl:
That's about the size of it. He hasn't a leg to stand on in an honest debate, so he resorts to attacks and false allegations. I could provide links to many posts that I would've loved to dump. They're still there.
The only one 'editing' Who's posts is Who. Remember the one in which he stated his daughter split and didn't talk to him for 2 years. He apparently forgot he posted that back when he was anon- before he picked a user name. When I linked to it, he promptly deleted it.
Wah, wah, wah. :cry2:
she says she never deleted any of your posts, but you did delete the one in which you admitted your daughter stopped talking to you.
so you're saying she's a liar then?
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=21273
yeah, liars shouldn't be calling people liars! site admin already verified that your posts weren't deleted by deborah. sorry, but it's not true.
if you want to argue about that false accusation, do it in the web hosting forum where you can be addressed by the admin.
just to be clear:
This is the last refuge for someone caught blatantly lying so many times that he has no other excuse but "They altered my posts!" What a LOSER.
:rofl:
That's about the size of it. He hasn't a leg to stand on in an honest debate, so he resorts to attacks and false allegations. I could provide links to many posts that I would've loved to dump. They're still there.
The only one 'editing' Who's posts is Who. Remember the one in which he stated his daughter split and didn't talk to him for 2 years. He apparently forgot he posted that back when he was anon- before he picked a user name. When I linked to it, he promptly deleted it.
Wah, wah, wah. :cry2:
she says she never deleted any of your posts, but you did delete the one in which you admitted your daughter stopped talking to you.
so you're saying she's a liar then?
I am not going to even attempt to fight Fornits on this. I have no way of proving any of it (Deleted or altered posts). There are only 2 people who know the truth. I never made an issue of it until recently and then only brought it up once.
I only asked for it to stop and that my posts be left unaltered.
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back to the facts at hand. no need to let thewho posting anonymously derail the thread out of anger and feeling tiny!
here's what we know to be true about the phony post:
Hey Y'all! Its Porsche again...Yesturday i posted an apology to HLA, HLA staff and students for sneaking onto this website and using it to bash HLA. What i forgot to mention was that i was not asked or forced to do this by HLA at all. They did NOT make me send that apology. It was my choice, therefor it WAS NOT coerced. After talking with HLA staff, my friends, and my family, I realized how much hurt i have caused them, so i decided to make the apology. it was the right thing to do, and again i do apologize for my actions.
Porsche Taylor
P.S. I know now that i should wait to voice my opinions until i am free and to voice them in an appropriate way.
Porsche, Sounds like you are growing up and maturing. That was nicely put.
You're just as dumb and gullible as they come, Who. Just like your daughter "grew and matured" at ASR only to go right back to drinking, drugging and partying with her "old crowd" within days of her return. If you believe this "apology" I have a program to sell you...
In any case, I'd like to inform readers that this is not a coerced apology from Pooschie. She didn't even write it in fact.
"How could you possibly know if it was or wasn't her?" you may ask.
Simple. It was posted from a Kinko's in New York City, not HLA This "apology" is a phony, posted most likely by the kid's mom who lives in NYC.
Nice try, mommy, but I won't allow you to carry HLA's water with lies. If you have something to say, just say it. But don't pose as your kid making a genuine apology, as everyone already knows that the second she turns 18, she's walking, as she posted from HLA's network.
Just thought I'd end the speculation and clear this up for everyone.
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That's what I thought. No balls.
There are more than 2 people who know what happened. All of us know. More specifically, Cassandra and Kelly looked into it and found that you were lying about it. Case closed.
Take it up in the Web Forum thread where it belongs.
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=21273
yeah, liars shouldn't be calling people liars! site admin already verified that your posts weren't deleted by deborah. sorry, but it's not true.
if you want to argue about that false accusation, do it in the web hosting forum where you can be addressed by the admin.
just to be clear:
This is the last refuge for someone caught blatantly lying so many times that he has no other excuse but "They altered my posts!" What a LOSER.
:rofl:
That's about the size of it. He hasn't a leg to stand on in an honest debate, so he resorts to attacks and false allegations. I could provide links to many posts that I would've loved to dump. They're still there.
The only one 'editing' Who's posts is Who. Remember the one in which he stated his daughter split and didn't talk to him for 2 years. He apparently forgot he posted that back when he was anon- before he picked a user name. When I linked to it, he promptly deleted it.
Wah, wah, wah. :cry2:
she says she never deleted any of your posts, but you did delete the one in which you admitted your daughter stopped talking to you.
so you're saying she's a liar then?
I am not going to even attempt to fight Fornits on this. I have no way of proving any of it (Deleted or altered posts). There are only 2 people who know the truth. I never made an issue of it until recently and then only brought it up once.
I only asked for it to stop and that my posts be left unaltered.
no, it's you that edits your posts after you've been caught in lies.
here's just one example where you went back and edited five months later. you're just not believable.
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Deborah, you are a liar. You know you deleted and altered my posts and allowed others to use them as mis quotes.
I have no way of proving this because I am on this side of the database, but you have zero integrity when you use your moderating power this way.
I asked that you stop doing this.... I have no way of fighting it or you.
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Deborah, you are a liar. You know you deleted and altered my posts and allowed others to use them as mis quotes.
I have no way of proving this because I am on this side of the database, but you have zero integrity when you use your moderating power this way.
I asked that you stop doing this.... I have no way of fighting it or you.
:D :D :D :D
Oooopsie! Caught again with your pants down. Grab your ankles!
Case in point. TheWho caught out there again editing his posts to make it appear that he didn't say something that he did... Pretty sad...
I repeated my post because you buried it by responding with identical posts, one from your username which you went back and edited afterwards and one anonymously. You posted originally at 9:46am and edited your post 3 times with the last at 11:36am, right after you claimed that you didn't repeat yourself. So save your baby-games for someone else.
The proof:
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:46 am
I dont think this shows parents seek to have their local school districts place kids at ASR. It is just too expensive for one thing, but since I was asked not to opine I will ask if any of the "Guests" out there could answer this one.
Last edited by TheWho on Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:36 am; edited 3 times in total
Look, I've read your "work" here and I can see your M.O. is to distract from the conversation and to take jabs at people who point out your behavior and then to edit your posts to try to cover up your own behavior when called out. I'm not trying to play games with you and I don't need your snide remarks or to watch you edit posts retroactively to try to make yourself look better.
If you want to play games like this and act like a child, copy my post into your own thread (a disaster area) and make your commentary there. Have at it. But don't insult people's intelligence when anyone can see you edit your posts to try to cover up your cildish commentary and behavior.
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I am humbled to find out that all the code writing and thought that went into the “Edit function” was designed and done specifically for me, since it seems I am the only one who uses it…… thank you everyone…Ha,Ha,Ha,
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No, you're just the only one who blames it on others after you do it! And the only one who goes back and edits his posts six months or a year later to try to hide what you said. That's why everyone quotes you right away now, because you lie all the time!
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Deborah, you are a liar. You know you deleted and altered my posts and allowed others to use them as mis quotes.
I have no way of proving this because I am on this side of the database, but you have zero integrity when you use your moderating power this way.
I asked that you stop doing this.... I have no way of fighting it or you.
Who,
No of course you can't prove it, and I can't disprove it.
You aren't here to share your experience and opinions. You have become a forum terrorist. If it were my decision, you'd be banned.
You have never made such a request to me. A link? A PM?
Links to the posts you claim were altered and caused you to be misquoted?
I shouldn't give you the time of day, but I'm curious as to what you're up to now.
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here are some of thewho's posts back when he was anon and then agreed to have the admin link all his posts to his username. looks like he forgot to edit these ones where he's baiting someone in the hyde forum and lying about his name, etc. all while he was comfortable that he wa anon. tells a lot about this man...
On 2005-12-06 14:18:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"My name is Ed Davis and I graduated from Hyde in 1990. The character development program at Hyde helped me to discover COURAGE! The courage to stand behind what I say and believe. Obviously, all of you anonymous posters could use a little character development especially in the COURAGE department. Therefore, I challenge all of you to dig deep inside and reveal yourself! Say what you believe, it's a free country, but have some pride and stop being a bunch of cowards. So be heard or go away and stop breathing up all the good air!
Ed Davis Scuba_adventures@hotmail.com
By the way, Hyde did not pay me to write this I just felt like somebody should tell you fleas to put up or shut up!
Have a nice day! :smile:
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:27 ][ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 14:28 ]"
Okay -- you first, name, address, phone number and Social security number. Thanks Ed Davis
My name is Albert Nelson Of Newhope, you can call me ANON
:D busted again! quoted for prosperity lying again!
then this :exclaim:
On 2005-12-06 15:16:00, Ed Davis wrote:
"As I expected, these anonymous posts are written by current Hyde students, trying to convince their parents that Hyde is a bad place and that they should be at home. Only a child would write such garbage. Get a life! Punk! You should probably go back to study hall and finish your homework! You still unregistered anonymous user. By the way my contact information is in the alumni directory.
Ed[ This Message was edited by: Ed Davis on 2005-12-06 15:36 ]"
Yea you are right,Ed, I'm sorry, I am going to go back on self study and write about what made me say those things and do some self reflecting. I will then look you up in the directory and try to imagine myself turning out as well as you have. I just hope I can harden to the point where I can say "Get a life !! Punk!! just like Clint Eastwood. Only I think I will follow it up with "Do you feel lucky" (to have graduated from Hyde), "Well do you punk!!!" Wow I do feel good, and I feel superior to everyone else who has logged on, I will not only post my name, but also a picture of my whole family, that will show everyone that I am more open then they are.
Thanks Ed
ANON
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My name is Albert Nelson Of Newhope, you can call me ANON
Before he edited it, he claimed his name was Alan Newman or Newton.
Ah, the fun and games.
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Thewho, I am sorry I altered and deleted your posts. I was angry because you kept pushing the fact that ASR has licensed Counselors and Teachers and you couldn’t let it alone. When you proved your point I have to admit I was pissed off. I PM’d you privately to back off and you wouldn’t so I deleted one of your posts.
Deb thats okay, I just want it to stop. I don’t mind a heated debate but we need to keep the field level. Being a moderator is a responsibility of trust and a person in your position needs to keep a certain level of credibility.
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Thewho, I am sorry I altered and deleted your posts. I was angry because you kept pushing the fact that ASR has licensed Counselors and Teachers and you couldn’t let it alone. When you proved your point I have to admit I was pissed off. I PM’d you privately to back off and you wouldn’t so I deleted one of your posts.
Deb thats okay, I just want it to stop. I don’t mind a heated debate but we need to keep the field level. Being a moderator is a responsibility of trust and a person in your position needs to keep a certain level of credibility.
Please provide the link for the above "quote" :D Every quote must come from a URL to the post. If you don't post the URL to the original post, you're just caught lying again. How low will you go?
Pretty sad that when you're caught lying again, you make up some garbage and put Deb's name on it. Pretty pathetic. Your credibilty is below nil now!
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Oh!, I am sorry are there rules to this? Lets look back at the last several posts/pages....Hmmmm...Dont see any links there either. Maybe we can rush back and alter the posts and then provide the links..... Dam, you know, I dont have access to the database....so I cant alter the posts.
I guess you will just have to believe me!
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Deborah, you are a liar. You know you deleted and altered my posts and allowed others to use them as mis quotes.
I have no way of proving this because I am on this side of the database, but you have zero integrity when you use your moderating power this way.
I asked that you stop doing this.... I have no way of fighting it or you.
To The Who,
I don't know you, though I have read your posts on occasion.
As to your assertion that Deborah is a liar: I used to post at this site. Now I only check it to get information or to find information. For this at least it is useful, by the way, specifically in terms of current hysteria, myths and rumors about various TBS's.
I stopped posting here because my posts were also altered, I can't prove by whom, but certainly not by me. Many times. And in hideous ways.
No interest at all in getting into a big fight with the regulars here: I know when I'm dealing with people who are beyond reason. Very likely this post will get at least some of them all frantic and perhaps start up their little schtick about me being something akin to the Great Satan.
And they will refer back to posts I never wrote to prove it.
Nobody cares much I don't think, least of all me. But to the Who: when I stumbled onto your post as quoted previously, I thought I'd just go ahead and validate the fact that these kinds of things do happen here. Don't let anyone convince you differently.
Which is why nobody (out side of the groupthink crew that you're, for some reason, trying to civilize) cares about this site except as a source of incidental info.
Or counts it as being relevant to anything.
Ottawa
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Oh...This is rich!
"Guest" said:
"That's all you got Ringo? Pretty weak. Start by revealing your own identity and lead by example like a good HLA stoolie should. Bitching about anon posters while remaining anon. Now that takes courage!"
Does anyone else find it funny that an anonymous poster is attacking Ringo for not revealing his identity?
Pretty funny. Go for it Ringo. If what you say is true you're gonna have a lot of fun deflating a lot of plump egos around here!!
This lady
http://http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-05,GGLD:en&q=%22anne+hall%22+minneapolis+mn
claims to be a psychologist and talks a big game while posting anon. She loves to abuse victims of abuse and her mentor was Mel Wasserman :roll: Her goal is to open her own program based on the abusive CEDU model.
You can see her other work here under the name Ottawa5.
See some of the commentary about this disturbed woman here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... =anne+hall (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=13566&highlight=anne+hall)
Welcome back, Anne, or as she's called among the people who know her personally, "Amoral Annie".
Two of the biggest liars ever to post on fornits who both got very embarrassed when their anon posts were linked to their usernames. I'd be embarrassed too if I behaved like Anne Hall or TheWho. :D
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Just copy what TheWho wrote (and claimed Deb wrote it :lol: ) and plug it into the search feature and you get exactly two hits, the very first one (the first place those words have ever appeared in the database; the second is a quote of TheWho's post in the web admin forum) is TheWho's post.
:D :D What a liar! And caught and burned again! :D :D
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Gorrila coming for The Who!!!
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Deborah, you are a liar. You know you deleted and altered my posts and allowed others to use them as mis quotes.
I have no way of proving this because I am on this side of the database, but you have zero integrity when you use your moderating power this way.
I asked that you stop doing this.... I have no way of fighting it or you.
To The Who,
I don't know you, though I have read your posts on occasion.
As to your assertion that Deborah is a liar: I used to post at this site. Now I only check it to get information or to find information. For this at least it is useful, by the way, specifically in terms of current hysteria, myths and rumors about various TBS's.
I stopped posting here because my posts were also altered, I can't prove by whom, but certainly not by me. Many times. And in hideous ways.
No interest at all in getting into a big fight with the regulars here: I know when I'm dealing with people who are beyond reason. Very likely this post will get at least some of them all frantic and perhaps start up their little schtick about me being something akin to the Great Satan.
And they will refer back to posts I never wrote to prove it.
Nobody cares much I don't think, least of all me. But to the Who: when I stumbled onto your post as quoted previously, I thought I'd just go ahead and validate the fact that these kinds of things do happen here. Don't let anyone convince you differently.
Which is why nobody (out side of the groupthink crew that you're, for some reason, trying to civilize) cares about this site except as a source of incidental info.
Or counts it as being relevant to anything.
Ottawa
Thank you, Ottawa, for validating what is happening here. It is tough being one against many....especially when they are holding all the cards and can change your words and then turn them against you.
Tough crowd here!!
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Just copy what TheWho wrote (and claimed Deb wrote it :lol: ) and plug it into the search feature and you get exactly two hits, the very first one (the first place those words have ever appeared in the database; the second is a quote of TheWho's post in the web admin forum) is TheWho's post.
:D :D What a liar! And caught and burned again! :D :D
Proof's in the pudding! TheWho was caught again! ha,ha,ha...
Try to take it easy, Who. Digging your hole deeper by phonying up quotes only hurts your credibility more Ha, ha, ha...
Game over. Time to move on to some other WhoLies...
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Thank you everyone, I think it is time to split this off again, Ha,Ha,Ha....The trolls are out in force tonight !
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Look who the professor has teamed up with now. Couldnt ask for a better team mate in your corner Who.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... &start=350 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=15260&start=350)
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To The Who,
I don't know you, though I have read your posts on occasion.
As to your assertion that Deborah is a liar: I used to post at this site. Now I only check it to get information or to find information. For this at least it is useful, by the way, specifically in terms of current hysteria, myths and rumors about various TBS's.
I stopped posting here because my posts were also altered, I can't prove by whom, but certainly not by me. Many times. And in hideous ways.
No interest at all in getting into a big fight with the regulars here: I know when I'm dealing with people who are beyond reason. Very likely this post will get at least some of them all frantic and perhaps start up their little schtick about me being something akin to the Great Satan.
And they will refer back to posts I never wrote to prove it.
Nobody cares much I don't think, least of all me. But to the Who: when I stumbled onto your post as quoted previously, I thought I'd just go ahead and validate the fact that these kinds of things do happen here. Don't let anyone convince you differently.
Which is why nobody (out side of the groupthink crew that you're, for some reason, trying to civilize) cares about this site except as a source of incidental info.
Or counts it as being relevant to anything.
Ottawa
Thank you, Ottawa, for validating what is happening here. It is tough being one against many....especially when they are holding all the cards and can change your words and then turn them against you.
Tough crowd here!!
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yes, since you can't hide or change the truth, the last option is to run from it ha, ha, ha...
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Just copy what TheWho wrote (and claimed Deb wrote it :lol: ) and plug it into the search feature and you get exactly two hits, the very first one (the first place those words have ever appeared in the database; the second is a quote of TheWho's post in the web admin forum) is TheWho's post.
:D :D What a liar! And caught and burned again! :D :D
Proof's in the pudding! TheWho was caught again! ha,ha,ha...
Try to take it easy, Who. Digging your hole deeper by phonying up quotes only hurts your credibility more Ha, ha, ha...
Game over. Time to move on to some other WhoLies...
Game, set, match. It's sad that program parents are so desperate they'll resort to the very behaviors for which they sent their kids to shit-pits. :cry: :oops:
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Game, set, match. It's sad that program parents are so desperate they'll resort to the very behaviors for which they sent their kids to shit-pits.
What are you talking about? I thought all the kids were sent there for no reason!! Ha,Ha,Ha,
Now give me $100 and the keys to the car...ya gatta trust me right? I'm good for it.....Ha,Ha,Ha,
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I'd try to laugh off being caught in so many lies, too. Too bad it's too late and you've been caught lying so many times. :oops:
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TheWho: What's up with the "Ha,Ha,Ha" bullshit in all of your posts? Is that your nervous tick showing up when you've been exposed for being a liar and a fraud?
Again, why do you keep posting on this forum? You don't know anyone personally who attended HLA nor do you have any real connection. Is this just your attempt to justify what you did to your daughter? How about just apologizing to your daughter and moving on with your life - or is it just too hard to admit you made a huge mistake? Is that what your guilt has done to you?
Now you try to discredit Deborah and others on this forum by stating that people are altering your posts... seriously, there's medication and therapy for your paranioa. Get some help before it's too late.
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TheWho: What's up with the "Ha,Ha,Ha" bullshit in all of your posts? Is that your nervous tick showing up when you've been exposed for being a liar and a fraud?
Again, why do you keep posting on this forum? You don't know anyone personally who attended HLA nor do you have any real connection. Is this just your attempt to justify what you did to your daughter? How about just apologizing to your daughter and moving on with your life - or is it just too hard to admit you made a huge mistake? Is that what your guilt has done to you?
Now you try to discredit Deborah and others on this forum by stating that people are altering your posts... seriously, there's medication and therapy for your paranioa. Get some help before it's too late.
The Ha,Ha,Ha?,…….Personally I think it is because he is having a good time. Fornits can be fun. I don’t think he appreciates his posts getting deleted or changed, but then I wouldn’t blame him, I wouldn’t like it either. I have read that it happens to other people here too, How do you protect yourself from it? But it seems he takes it all in stride and doesn’t let it get to him.
You have to admit it is funny blaming him for trolling and hijacking threads when it is usually TheWho that is getting attacked and he is only trying to protect himself. But that is why I keep coming back to read here, there is always something going on.
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He's having a good time being owned and embarrassed at every turn?
Did you have a good time when we did it to you Anne of St. Paul Minnesota?
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He's having a good time being owned and embarrassed at every turn?
Did you have a good time when we did it to you Anne of St. Paul Minnesota?
Look again Bruce, I think you need to go back to school. You are the one embarrassed.
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Really? What about?
Also tell me more about what it is you think you want?
It's too bad I couldnt attend your program, but then I heard you never did get it off the ground.
What happened Anne?
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No shit! Well Deb has spoken, I haven't altered any posts. I'll ask Kelly, but I seriously doubt she'd do anything like that.
i just saw this but nope i haven't altered anything either, nor would i. i've altered a guest post once when they asked if i could and i could verify it was them, but it was simply editing a formatting error nothing malicious.
Nobody changed any of TheWho's or Ottawa's posts. It's against the policy of the site and if anyone attempts to do this they will be banned from moderating.
Turns out they're just two people (TheWho and Anne Hall) who are really embarrassed by being caught for saying things they either wish they hadn't said, or, more importantly, wish they didn't get exposed for saying them.
Thanks, admin.
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No shit! Well Deb has spoken, I haven't altered any posts. I'll ask Kelly, but I seriously doubt she'd do anything like that.
i just saw this but nope i haven't altered anything either, nor would i. i've altered a guest post once when they asked if i could and i could verify it was them, but it was simply editing a formatting error nothing malicious.
Nobody changed any of TheWho's or Ottawa's posts. It's against the policy of the site and if anyone attempts to do this they will be banned from moderating.
Turns out they're just two people (TheWho and Anne Hall) who are really embarrassed by being caught for saying things they either wish they hadn't said, or, more importantly, wish they didn't get exposed for saying them.
Thanks, admin.
Hmmmm an admin that poses as a guest. Of course no one changes any post here, its against the rules...Ha,Ha,Ha, and we all want to keep our standards up dont we.
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You might have missed the quote here.
No shit! Well Deb has spoken, I haven't altered any posts. I'll ask Kelly, but I seriously doubt she'd do anything like that.
i just saw this but nope i haven't altered anything either, nor would i. i've altered a guest post once when they asked if i could and i could verify it was them, but it was simply editing a formatting error nothing malicious.
This is the site admin quoting another site admin, both verifying that your posts weren't modified by anyone except you. Nobody is posing as anything. "Thanks, admin" is the poster thanking the admin for their effort to debunk your story, not an admin signing off. Try to read for compehension next time so you don't put your foot in your mouth.
I suppose that since you're backed up in the corner again, you have to make personal attacks on people like Kelly who is a professional DBA and has no interest in "the industry" - she just runs the DB.
Sorry that you feel the need to attack her personally just because you have been embarrassed. It's not her fault and she does a good job. I'm not sure why you're trying to smear her other than to try to get the focus off you.
Just provide the links of the posts you claim have been altered (links to the original posts) and Kelley can research your claim. Until you provide links to support your claims, you're just going to be viewed as a liar and a sore loser - "The Boy Who Cried Wolf".
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I am not speculating or making personal attacks on admins, I am not accusing webdiva. I have made it clear who altered and deleted my posts…. I don’t need an investigation or feed back. I just asked that it be stopped. New people coming on here will not feel comfortable if they know that once they get a user name their posts are subject to being changed or lost.
It is not healthy for the forum or its integrity to allow this to continue….we/I can talk about this till we are blue in the face…the fact is I am on this side of the database and cannot prove anything because I don’t have access, people can view me as a liar if they want doesn’t matter to me, but if the post changing and deleting continues there will be no credibility here at all for anyone.
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Speak for yourself. Your false comments, posing as other people, making up quotes, etc impugns only your credibility. You're not dragging anyone into the mud with you.
You claimed specific posts were altered, but you won't say which ones, you just complain. Kelly can straighten it out, but you won't let her. This is a clear signal that you are not being truthful.
Remember the "Duke Rape Case"? You're the stripper.
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DJ Wrote:
Remember the "Duke Rape Case"? You're the stripper.
That is so appropriate DJ, so lets see ….and you are the strippers, lawyer, Nifong….
“…Nifong's career as a lawyer may be over once the state bar adjudicates the ethics charges against him.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13392547/site/newsweek/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13392547/site/newsweek/)
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Just wanted to confirm that not only do you not have any links or evidence of tampering, but you won't cooperate with the admin to help you address your accusation, like the stripper. Throw out names and cry "rape, rape, rape," but when it comes time to testify against those you accused, withdraw.
That settles this issue then. It never happened, just like the "rape" case.
Time for a new topic.
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Time for a new topic
I agree.....
Nifong's career as a lawyer may be over once the state bar adjudicates the ethics charges against him
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As well it should be. And the "accuser" should also be prosecuted for making false statements to law enforcement, much like you have done here. It shows low character and lack of credibility.
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I am not speculating or making personal attacks on admins, I am not accusing webdiva. I have made it clear who altered and deleted my posts…. I don’t need an investigation or feed back. I just asked that it be stopped. New people coming on here will not feel comfortable if they know that once they get a user name their posts are subject to being changed or lost.
It is not healthy for the forum or its integrity to allow this to continue….we/I can talk about this till we are blue in the face…the fact is I am on this side of the database and cannot prove anything because I don’t have access, people can view me as a liar if they want doesn’t matter to me, but if the post changing and deleting continues there will be no credibility here at all for anyone.
The only one who altered or deleted your post was you. Youve already been exposed as a liar Cindy, best not to press the matter further.
DJ last night Cindy posted a PM (several times) from Anne in which she expressed her sympathy and stated the she too had been victim to have her posts altered. Cindy used this as evidence that his posts had been altered and then to bolster the claim he wrote on the bottom "last edited by Deborah" in a feeble attempt to discredit Deb.
Cindy not being known for either his intelligence or his prowess on fornits forgot to actually change anything from the original post, thus proving Deborah had not edited anything.
When I pointed this out to him he quickly when back and changed all the "last edited by Deborah" to "last edited by TheWho". Since then he's anonmously claimed ignorance but Deborah and I both saw what he tried to get away with. None of his post have ever been edited by anyone but him. He's just far too much of a little bitch to ever acknowledge he lied.
One more reason why no one takes anything he says seriously and why he has no credibility. He's just shown himself to be a liar too many times.
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I agree. I was asking him all morning to explain why he was posting posing as a Hyde student and provided links to those posts. He admitted he did it, but wouldn't say why.
I think everyone understands that he phonies up posts, edits his posts when caught lying and tried to blame everyone else. When he gets caught red-handed, he just says "I'm not going to explain anything" - the true tell of the liar. So, whatever... Time to move on to more productive business...
DJ
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I am not speculating or making personal attacks on admins, I am not accusing webdiva. I have made it clear who altered and deleted my posts…. I don’t need an investigation or feed back. I just asked that it be stopped. New people coming on here will not feel comfortable if they know that once they get a user name their posts are subject to being changed or lost.
It is not healthy for the forum or its integrity to allow this to continue….we/I can talk about this till we are blue in the face…the fact is I am on this side of the database and cannot prove anything because I don’t have access, people can view me as a liar if they want doesn’t matter to me, but if the post changing and deleting continues there will be no credibility here at all for anyone.
The only one who altered or deleted your post was you. Youve already been exposed as a liar Cindy, best not to press the matter further.
DJ last night Cindy posted a PM (several times) from Anne in which she expressed her sympathy and stated the she too had been victim to have her posts altered. Cindy used this as evidence that his posts had been altered and then to bolster the claim he wrote on the bottom "last edited by Deborah" in a feeble attempt to discredit Deb.
Cindy not being known for either his intelligence or his prowess on fornits forgot to actually change anything from the original post, thus proving Deborah had not edited anything.
When I pointed this out to him he quickly when back and changed all the "last edited by Deborah" to "last edited by TheWho". Since then he's anonmously claimed ignorance but Deborah and I both saw what he tried to get away with. None of his post have ever been edited by anyone but him. He's just far too much of a little bitch to ever acknowledge he lied.
One more reason why no one takes anything he says seriously and why he has no credibility. He's just shown himself to be a liar too many times.
Hmmmm... another lie Devon... can you provide all of us with a link to where this occured?
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Is it a lie Cindy? Are you stating unequivically that none of your posting ever said "edited by Deborah"
Yes or no?
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So what you are saying is I altered a post, but since it was altered there is no proof…Hmmmm sounds like the same predicament I am in… my posts are altered but since the alteration is done, I cant prove it.
Is this a double standard again? If I need to prove my posts were altered you will need to show the same.
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Simple yes or no Cindy, that's all I'm looking for.
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To The Who,
I don't know you, though I have read your posts on occasion.
As to your assertion that Deborah is a liar: I used to post at this site. Now I only check it to get information or to find information. For this at least it is useful, by the way, specifically in terms of current hysteria, myths and rumors about various TBS's.
I stopped posting here because my posts were also altered, I can't prove by whom, but certainly not by me. Many times. And in hideous ways.
No interest at all in getting into a big fight with the regulars here: I know when I'm dealing with people who are beyond reason. Very likely this post will get at least some of them all frantic and perhaps start up their little schtick about me being something akin to the Great Satan.
And they will refer back to posts I never wrote to prove it.
Nobody cares much I don't think, least of all me. But to the Who: when I stumbled onto your post as quoted previously, I thought I'd just go ahead and validate the fact that these kinds of things do happen here. Don't let anyone convince you differently.
Which is why nobody (out side of the groupthink crew that you're, for some reason, trying to civilize) cares about this site except as a source of incidental info.
Or counts it as being relevant to anything.
Ottawa
Thank you, Ottawa, for validating what is happening here. It is tough being one against many....especially when they are holding all the cards and can change your words and then turn them against you.
Tough crowd here!! [Last edited by Deborah, edited 1 time in total]
Here's that post from the cache. TheWho wasn't smart enough to make it look authentic. Didn't correctly set the font size or get the wording right. But there it is, proof positive that RB is telling it straight.
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To The Who,
I don't know you, though I have read your posts on occasion.
As to your assertion that Deborah is a liar: I used to post at this site. Now I only check it to get information or to find information. For this at least it is useful, by the way, specifically in terms of current hysteria, myths and rumors about various TBS's.
I stopped posting here because my posts were also altered, I can't prove by whom, but certainly not by me. Many times. And in hideous ways.
No interest at all in getting into a big fight with the regulars here: I know when I'm dealing with people who are beyond reason. Very likely this post will get at least some of them all frantic and perhaps start up their little schtick about me being something akin to the Great Satan.
And they will refer back to posts I never wrote to prove it.
Nobody cares much I don't think, least of all me. But to the Who: when I stumbled onto your post as quoted previously, I thought I'd just go ahead and validate the fact that these kinds of things do happen here. Don't let anyone convince you differently.
Which is why nobody (out side of the groupthink crew that you're, for some reason, trying to civilize) cares about this site except as a source of incidental info.
Or counts it as being relevant to anything.
Ottawa
Thank you, Ottawa, for validating what is happening here. It is tough being one against many....especially when they are holding all the cards and can change your words and then turn them against you.
Tough crowd here!! [Last edited by Deborah, edited 1 time in total]
Here's that post from the cache. TheWho wasn't smart enough to make it look authentic. Didn't correctly set the font size or get the wording right. But there it is, proof positive that RB is telling it straight.
Well, I guess we all have to believe that... it just about says it all, doesnt it? Ha,Ha,Ha,
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That's an interesting point he brought up though Cindy. Why did you use the wrong font size when you tried to claim Deborah had edited your post?
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That's an interesting point he brought up though Cindy. Why did you use the wrong font size when you tried to claim Deborah had edited your post?
That is funny on so many levels....go back and read the post...I think you all missed it.
This is priceless...
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It stopped being priceless for us long ago. I mean weve caught you in so many lies it's started to get a bit stale. Still funny, but stale. So then the question remains, why did you use the wrong font size when you attempted to claim Deborah edited your posts.
Honestly Cindy, you know what you did, and you know youve been busted.
Why bother denying it?
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I wonder if the admin could make all of TheWho's posts uneditable? This would solve the his so-called problem entirely. Just make them so nobody can edit them. Then everyone can be satisfied that nothing was changed. If he wants to clarify or amend, he can quote himself and explain, but the OP will always be there. Simple!
Also, he gave permission to have all of his anon posts linked together under his username and it looks like it's time to update that data, as he's been doing a lot of anon posting that he's given permission already to link to his username. How 'bout it? Will save arguments over accusations!
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People - please stop wasting time posting to TheWho. He is a complete moron who has nothing intelligent to offer.
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I wonder if the admin could make all of TheWho's posts uneditable? This would solve the his so-called problem entirely. Just make them so nobody can edit them. Then everyone can be satisfied that nothing was changed. If he wants to clarify or amend, he can quote himself and explain, but the OP will always be there. Simple!
Also, he gave permission to have all of his anon posts linked together under his username and it looks like it's time to update that data, as he's been doing a lot of anon posting that he's given permission already to link to his username. How 'bout it? Will save arguments over accusations!
Ha, Ha, Ha... You people are too much. I have nothing to hide, you're just on a witch hunt to try to prove a point that you're not telling the truth about. Do you really want to do all that work, just to be proven wrong again Ha, Ha, Ha. If that's what you want to do, it will only prove my point, so go for it. Go ahead link up my posts if you think that's the solution to your credibility problems, you can start with this one!
anonWho
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I wonder if the admin could make all of TheWho's posts uneditable? This would solve the his so-called problem entirely. Just make them so nobody can edit them. Then everyone can be satisfied that nothing was changed. If he wants to clarify or amend, he can quote himself and explain, but the OP will always be there. Simple!
Also, he gave permission to have all of his anon posts linked together under his username and it looks like it's time to update that data, as he's been doing a lot of anon posting that he's given permission already to link to his username. How 'bout it? Will save arguments over accusations!
Ha, Ha, Ha... You people are too much. I have nothing to hide, you're just on a witch hunt to try to prove a point that you're not telling the truth about. Do you really want to do all that work, just to be proven wrong again Ha, Ha, Ha. If that's what you want to do, it will only prove my point, so go for it. Go ahead link up my posts if you think that's the solution to your credibility problems, you can start with this one!
anonWho
We'll get right on that Cindy.
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While that's being taken care of....
you're just on a witch hunt to try to prove a point that you're not telling the truth about
What arent we telling the truth about Cindy? We've proven you to be a liar regarding the situation last night. What else are you refering to?
Do you really want to do all that work, just to be proven wrong again
Again? When was the first time?
it will only prove my point
Which is what exactly? Do you even know anymore/
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Sorry, not my post, I didnt write that... have it checked if you like.
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But you said the checkers can't be trusted before. Hmmm... Maybe you might want to stop impersonating people and making up phony quotes that aren't from the person you try to pin it on? Maybe log in instead of anon-bombing all the threads. Then maybe the confusion would be alleviated.
Anyway, you had previously asked the admin to link your posts to bring clarity, which is why it was done in the first place, so this will just be an update linking all your newer anon posts under the legacy agreement. Either way, it's time to link them up and get your posts up to date with your username.
You said you "didn't write" that post, but it's realy hard for anyone to believe you because you have been doing a lot of really nasty things lately and trying to destroy personal reputations based on phony postings because you were caught lying so many times and got embarrassed. Now you'll need to "grow up" and "take responsibility" We'll help you do that.
I believe you did write it and now have cold feet after rereading your anon posts that may prove embarrassing. Also, you didn't say not to link them up either, so we'll link them for you, just for clarity. It'll take a few days to get them all together, but we'll get it done for you.
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But you said the checkers can't be trusted before. Hmmm...
Your right!! Ha,Ha,Ha, kind of a catch 22...Hmmmm......when the admin goes in to check they will see I didnt write or authorize it, someone elses IP will be tagged to it. They can have their posts linked together if they so choose, but I didnt ask for mine to be.
The last time I authorized to have my posts strung together there were problems and I ended up with someone elses posts in with mine (Ginger will remember) a person named "Little cats" I believe. Any way I dont want to run the risk of having that happen so that is why I wouldnt approve it. Other people can do it if they like, but I will pass.
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Well, why not allow us to, then we can clear the whole matter up and do away with any possible confusion.
Are you game?
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The last time I authorized to have my posts strung together there were problems and I ended up with someone elses posts in with mine (Ginger will remember) a person named "Little cats" I believe. Any way I dont want to run the risk of having that happen so that is why I wouldnt approve it. Other people can do it if they like, but I will pass.
It's true a mistake was made the last time, however it was quickly corrected and Ginger apologized to you. As it stands now you have an opportunity to clear up any confusion and try and make your case concerning statements youve made which you claim have been altered. If youve been honest and forthright with us you shouldnt have anything to lose.
Right?
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It's true a mistake was made the last time, however it was quickly corrected and Ginger apologized to you.
I didnt mean anything against Ginger, I know it was a mistake, I was asking for it to be done at the time and working some bugs out, just dont want to run the risk of errors right now.
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Well on the off chance that another mistake is made Im sure shell again correct it. Can I ask what has you so concerned about it?
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this will just be an update linking all your newer anon posts under the legacy agreement[/b]
No need to ask permission. It's already been given. Start the work!
Maybe we can hold off if he admits to lying about Deborah and phonying up a quote he said was her (where he made it look as if Deb altered his postings and admitted to it). No admission of guilt by Who, no plea bargain; we move ahead based on his earlier agreement. He has absolutely no chip to bargain, so he's not going to dictate anything.
No need to negotiate beyond that. He intentionally tried to destroy years of good work that is undisputed by any facts through a slanderous lie and a good person's reputation.
A full "mea culpa" with a direct apology for lying repeatedly is the only way to even consider not doing this. Short of that, we do it.
We're waiting.
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If RB is who I think he is he and I were at Hidden Lake around the same time. Alot of what he's saying is being taken seriously out of context.
I didn't like HLA either but I can at least recognize its benefits. Something you might want to try someday guy.
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If RB is who I think he is he and I were at Hidden Lake around the same time. Alot of what he's saying is being taken seriously out of context.
Such as? Specifically.
I didn't like HLA either but I can at least recognize its benefits. Something you might want to try someday guy.
Sorry champ, I'm not willing to lie about it. I in no way shape or form benefitted from my time at HLA, it caused me far more harm then good. If it worked for you then more power to you. You were one of the lucky ones I guess.
You let me know about those specific claims.
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there's a good chance Q is of indian decent. they like to use the word "guy" alot at the end of scentences. that might help maybe figure who he is.
ever hear that skit...goes sumthin like this
"hey you fucking guy you, you kicked my dog you guy. fucking guy you.....etc..."
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Dude I'm not gonna get into this big thing with you. Im also not gonna go digging around on here looking for every comment youve made thats "sort of true". I will give you this one though, you talked about a guy who was on restriction for eight months straight. Your talking about Pinko right? I was in his peer group and yeah he was on restriction for eight months but it was never for just one thing. He kept fucking up so they had to keep putting him on new restrictions. You cant blame the counselors for giving him consequences for his actions.
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I have no idea who "Pinko" is, nor do I see why his being a overlapping restriction versus one eight month long restriction for a single infraction would make a difference.
The fact of the matter is however you slice it, he was on restriction for eight months. Or in this case both of these kids were, since the kid I'm refering to was not called "Pinko" by anyone.
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I have no idea who "Pinko" is, nor do I see why his being a overlapping restriction versus one eight month long restriction for a single infraction would make a difference.
The fact of the matter is however you slice it, he was on restriction for eight months. Or in this case both of these kids were, since the kid I'm refering to was not called "Pinko" by anyone.
There is a perceived difference that you don’t understand or don’t care to.
Devon, That is a classic Half truth… Its like saying I know a person who stole candy from a candy store and has been in jail for 30 years (trying to imply the judge, or system, was unreasonably harsh)….when in fact he only spent 3 days in jail for the candy offense, but he kept screwing up over the next 30 years and kept going back. This why I personally don’t believe you when you speak of your time and experiences at HLA.
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I don't think that matters.
At no point in my claim did I state he was on restriction for a single offense. I simply stated it didnt matter.
I still feel you would be better suited remaining out of the HLA forum. Your lack of knowledge on this program and refusal to learn the truth offer nothing constructive to the conversation.
Not trying to sound harsh I just dont think you can really add anything here.
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I don't think that matters.
At no point in my claim did I state he was on restriction for a single offense. I simply stated it didnt matter.
I still feel you would be better suited remaining out of the HLA forum. Your lack of knowledge on this program and refusal to learn the truth offer nothing constructive to the conversation.
Not trying to sound harsh I just dont think you can really add anything here.
I was invited here by you, Devon. You post over on the ASR and Aspen forum, you have never attend one of those have you? I dont understand the difference?
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Because Im not speculating on anything regarding ASR or Aspen programs. I'm going by what I can verify as facts.
Youre dismissing claims about HLA when you have no means of knowing whats true and whats not.
Oh and when did I invite you?
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Because Im not speculating on anything regarding ASR or Aspen programs. I'm going by what I can verify as facts.
Youre dismissing claims about HLA when you have no means of knowing whats true and whats not.
Oh and when did I invite you?
Good, lets keep it that way... I am here just to keep you honest and try to add some perspective that is missing sometimes.
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Keep it what way? Is false information a nessecary perspective.
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I have no idea who "Pinko" is, nor do I see why his being a overlapping restriction versus one eight month long restriction for a single infraction would make a difference.
The fact of the matter is however you slice it, he was on restriction for eight months. Or in this case both of these kids were, since the kid I'm refering to was not called "Pinko" by anyone.
There is a perceived difference that you don’t understand or don’t care to.
Devon, That is a classic Half truth… Its like saying I know a person who stole candy from a candy store and has been in jail for 30 years (trying to imply the judge, or system, was unreasonably harsh)….when in fact he only spent 3 days in jail for the candy offense, but he kept screwing up over the next 30 years and kept going back. This why I personally don’t believe you when you speak of your time and experiences at HLA.
The fact is that eight months of restrictions is completely against any treatment plan and screams "We can't help this kid but we don't care!"
Everything looks like a nail when your only tool is a hammer.
EIGHT MONTHS STRAIGHT ON RESTRICTIONS? You need to look at the program and the counselors if that's all they could do for a kid. Who pays $48,000 to have their kid move a rockpile for eight months? (Oh yeah, TheWho does!)
You say RB overlooks the point, Who. What fucking planet are from where this is justified? You are an idiot and your judgement is incredibly flawed. Obviously you know absolutely zero about how treatment works. ZERO.
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Relax guy, take it easy on TheWho. Maybe he knows more then he's telling.
TheWho man what's your story? Are you connected to HLA somehow?
RB let me ask you something. Do you think every action should result in consequences?
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You need to look at the program and the counselors if that's all they could do for a kid
That piece I may agree with. If it wasn’t working for him then he should have gone elsewhere. But the point I was trying to make was there is a big difference between an 8 month restriction and a series of restrictions where the kids was given options and kept screwing up.
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What options? Can you detail what was involved with being put on a restriction and how one got off?
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no, he has no connection to hla. he forced his daughter to go to asr for two years for basically no reason and as soon as she got out, within a day or two, she was drinking and getting high and then she cut off thewho completely. she no longer has anything to do with him, which is why he always says 'she'll have to share that here with you someday,' only someday will never come because she hates him and stays away from him while he hides his obsession with fornits from his wife (tough to hide 20+ hours a day of fornits though). he's a failure parent and asr was a waste of time that only broke up his family. look under the troubled teen forum for thewho's thread. it's 250 pages of him acting like an asshole. great read. so, q, do some reading before you defend this scumbag.
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I want you to look at the program and the counselors if that's all they could do for a kid
That piece I may agree with. If it wasn’t working for him then he should have gone elsewhere. But the point I was trying to make was there is a big difference between an 8 month restriction and a series of restrictions where the kids was given options and kept screwing up.
No, there isn't. Either way it's gross and abject neglect and abuse. And it's wrong. Don't justify mistreating kids. This is why people can't stand you. You justify hurting children.
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no, he has no connection to hla. he forced his daughter to go to asr for two years for basically no reason and as soon as she got out, within a day or two, she was drinking and getting high and then she cut off thewho completely. she no longer has anything to do with him, which is why he always says 'she'll have to share that here with you someday,' only someday will never come because she hates him and stays away from him while he hides his obsession with fornits from his wife (tough to hide 20+ hours a day of fornits though). he's a failure parent and asr was a waste of time that only broke up his family. look under the troubled teen forum for thewho's thread. it's 250 pages of him acting like an asshole. great read. so, q, do some reading before you defend this scumbag.
You forgot to mention she joined al-Qaida and works part time as an Ed con and has a goal of being on the board of directors for Aspen Ed...Ha,Ha,Ha,
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no, he has no connection to hla. he forced his daughter to go to asr for two years for basically no reason and as soon as she got out, within a day or two, she was drinking and getting high and then she cut off thewho completely. she no longer has anything to do with him, which is why he always says 'she'll have to share that here with you someday,' only someday will never come because she hates him and stays away from him while he hides his obsession with fornits from his wife (tough to hide 20+ hours a day of fornits though). he's a failure parent and asr was a waste of time that only broke up his family. look under the troubled teen forum for thewho's thread. it's 250 pages of him acting like an asshole. great read. so, q, do some reading before you defend this scumbag.
Relax guy, I'm not defending anyone, I'm just trying to find out what everyone is about.
TheWho is this stuff true about your kid? What about your connection to HLA?
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RB let me ask you something. Do you think every action should result in consequences?
Of course. I just believe in levels of severity for consequences.
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no, he has no connection to hla. he forced his daughter to go to asr for two years for basically no reason and as soon as she got out, within a day or two, she was drinking and getting high and then she cut off thewho completely. she no longer has anything to do with him, which is why he always says 'she'll have to share that here with you someday,' only someday will never come because she hates him and stays away from him while he hides his obsession with fornits from his wife (tough to hide 20+ hours a day of fornits though). he's a failure parent and asr was a waste of time that only broke up his family. look under the troubled teen forum for thewho's thread. it's 250 pages of him acting like an asshole. great read. so, q, do some reading before you defend this scumbag.
Relax guy, I'm not defending anyone, I'm just trying to find out what everyone is about.
TheWho is this stuff true about your kid? What about your connection to HLA?
Again, half truths….this seems to be the MO here on this thread. At the time ASR didn’t have a very good transition program and when my daughter first got home she asked if she could see her old friends, which I wasn’t happy about, but gave her the space she needed or wanted. As it turns out she went back to her old friends and drank and smoked but quickly grew tired of her friends because she had outgrown them and was more mature. So after 3 weeks she stopped seeing them. I was nervous, but the big difference was we had better communication after ASR and I knew her head was on straight so I wasn’t as worried (although I was worried). I think the big difference with her before and after ASR was her ability to communicate how she felt which has really helped her. We are able to talk freely about that time and her experiences as well as the rest of the families experiences during that time period.
I don’t have any connection with HLA, never knew anyone who went there except Devon.
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As it turns out she went back to her old friends and drank and smoked but quickly grew tired of her friends because she had outgrown them and was more mature. .
Sounds like an effective program.
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Who you believe we now know each other? Hate to burst your bubble sport but you dont even have my name right. You don't know me at all, the only things you know about me are the things Ive been generous enough to share with you.
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As it turns out she went back to her old friends and drank and smoked but quickly grew tired of her friends because she had outgrown them and was more mature. .
Sounds like an effective program.
It was, ASR is not a good match for everyone, not all kids will be accepted into their program. Not all the kids do well either, some dont make it to graduation, but most move on and get back on track with their lives.
No I dont have any studies to present, Ha,Ha,Ha, but based on what I have read and the parents I know who had kids who were in the program, it seems to be a good assessment.
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It was, ASR is not a good match for everyone, not all kids will be accepted into their program.
First off, no program is a match for anyone. And saying that they don't accept everyone is bullshit. If you flash the cash, they will torture your kid. No questions asked...
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Q - TheWho wants an audience to justify his actions for sending away his daughter. His goal is to make everyone think ASR is the best thing since sliced bread. He also attempts to belittle the experiences of the students who attended HLA and what parents went through while there kids were enrolled there.
Our child was attacked by another student and nothing was done. Not even an apology. We were told our child had a possible eating disorder by Clay Erickson (HLA's addiction counselor who lost his medical license and is not a licensed addiction counselor in GA). We can't even imagine why we were told this was so - maybe so we'd feel we were getting my money's worth out of their program? Students who were considered suicidal had to sleep on the floor outside of the room - the term was "Fresh Air" - and they were truly suicidal. Why weren't they given the help they needed in a psychiatric facility? How many of these kids felt suicidal because their medications weren't properly dispensed? The list goes on and on - the crazy part is the few examples stated are just from the first couple of months of being at HLA.
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Never had to deal with Clay Ericson, we had a different addictions counselor during my time at HLA.
Im sorry for what happened to your kid if its true. That would really suck if it was. I dont remember anything like that ever happening when I was there.
I think the thing people need to remember is that all of the kids there were there for a reason, and even if they dont see it now I think eventually theyll understand that they were better off for having gone to HLA.
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:D :) :lol: :roll: :oops: :cry: :evil: ::noway:: ::puke::
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If you say that kids are better off for attending HLA, you must be smoking crack or hallucinating! :roll:
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Lots of kids there had learning differences and instead of helping them, they put them on academic restrictions all the time. Makes no sense to punish kids for having learning difficulties. Constant negative reinforcements does not help children build healthy self esteem.
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Lots of kids there had learning differences and instead of helping them, they put them on academic restrictions all the time. Makes no sense to punish kids for having learning difficulties. Constant negative reinforcements does not help children build healthy self esteem.
Yeh, what's the logic there? They were 'faking' their learning differences? Using them to 'manipulate'?
The goal, in my opinion, is not to foster healthy self-esteem, but to break the kids and render compliant little robots who learn to 'act' with respect. Those who don't break are tortured the worse.
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You can see here one of the fundamental flaws of HLA. Len was always changing the program. People from just a few years apart all have different experiences. Some went through the restrictions meal, some didn't. Some went through the constant med problems, others can remember a time when alomost no one at HLA took meds. Len continually moved the school away from it's original design. He could never be happy with things the way they were and it ultimately hurt the school.
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The favorite word at HLA is manipulate. They always tell you that your child is manipulating. The only people at HLA that manipulate are the HLA staff members. Some of the staff at HLA are nice people, however I do not think they realize that they are just the puppets being played by Bucci the Puppeteer.
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You can see here one of the fundamental flaws of HLA. Len was always changing the program. People from just a few years apart all have different experiences. Some went through the restrictions meal, some didn't. Some went through the constant med problems, others can remember a time when alomost no one at HLA took meds. Len continually moved the school away from it's original design. He could never be happy with things the way they were and it ultimately hurt the school.
Oh, now we're back to the Blame Len Game. God, it really gets old C.A.
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I suppose you'd rather blame the kids then. Len is the reason HLA is soooooo fucked up. His policies, his direction, his breaking the law, his fraud. Can't wipe that away.
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I suppose you'd rather blame the kids then. Len is the reason HLA is soooooo fucked up. His policies, his direction, his breaking the law, his fraud. Can't wipe that away.
Nope, they'd rather blame us. In their minds we're the reason all the problems exist at HLA, bunch of disgruntled bastards.
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I think the thing people need to remember is that all of the kids there were there for a reason, and even if they dont see it now I think eventually theyll understand that they were better off for having gone to HLA.
All of the kids? You're beginning to sound alot like Aften. You remember her don't you? Tell me something else though as well, how do you know we were better off for having gone to HLA?
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I suppose you'd rather blame the kids then. Len is the reason HLA is soooooo fucked up. His policies, his direction, his breaking the law, his fraud. Can't wipe that away.
Why would anyone blame the kids? They didn't make the policies or enforce them.
But you all stayed there so your hands are just as dirty. You could have walked away, but you choose to stay. And you can't wipe that away.
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i think that the staff who were good and stayed did so because they really thought that their being there was good for the kids...that in some way they could go around the rules in a way that they could really help some of the kids...and some of the staff really did connect with the students...but in the end, they would get called down because they weren't following whatever rule of the week was supposed to be implemented...so the staff that was actually doing good were either fired or forced to quit...
now that isn't everyone...but i did see some that were like that...
and yes, the rules constantly changed...in the sense of...the big 3 "agreements" were the same (drugs, sex, violence) but what constituted as drugs, sex and violence seemed to be very subjective...especially the violence part...
and what made up a 3 day or a 7 day depended on who caught you and what kind of mood they were in ...that was just a little piece for the students...the staff rules changed constantly...and don't even get started with the parent handbook...you couldn't get a new edition out without having to tell THOSE parents that the book they got was already in need of editing...
when departments or staff were rolling smoothly and things seemed to be working in the machine...BAM! change...len strives on chaos...ask anyone who worked for them...the only thing that was constant was the change...
"I think the thing people need to remember is that all of the kids there were there for a reason, and even if they dont see it now I think eventually theyll understand that they were better off for having gone to HLA."
hmmm...sounds like a staff...wonder if this is fj under guest now??
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I suppose you'd rather blame the kids then. Len is the reason HLA is soooooo fucked up. His policies, his direction, his breaking the law, his fraud. Can't wipe that away.
Why would anyone blame the kids? They didn't make the policies or enforce them.
But you all stayed there so your hands are just as dirty. You could have walked away, but you choose to stay. And you can't wipe that away.
I don't want to wipe it away. I did nothing that I regret at HLA. I still hear from many of the kids I worked with at HLA who thank me for playing a part in helping them. The only regret that I have is what HLA evolved into because of poor leadership.
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I truly think that HLA has a few good employees that are good people, but if you worked at HLA, you know that HLA is not a Democracy. It is a Dictatorship with Bucci calling all the shots and ruining any chance of a good program with his false promises etc. I can see why parents are bringing suit for being misled on many fronts. :(