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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 28, 2007, 07:45:16 PM
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Curious.
Activism. In an effective cause theres usually a "better way" proposed to deal with a controversial method being criticized.
Yet I see none here. None at all that are not some idealists delusional romantic, visionary dream that kids have options.
This is very very frustrating. Not only because its seems theres so many people here simply bent on closing TC's, but that theres simply no other options out there for kids who CANNOT function is public schools or at home.
My general impression is that many here believe a childs issues can be resolved while they are still in the home. Or with psychotropic drugs, or confinement in some other state run or state sanctioned facility with NO emphasis on social interactions, education or behavior. The fact is, in a medical facility, a child is labeled, and the LABEL is treated. The illness is treated and none of the outlying issues are considered.
Ive played three different roles and couldnt handle it. I was a disturbed young person, I went on to work at a TC, and then on to a psychiatric facility to work as well. I can say this, every kid a met along the way needed to be somewhere.
All three were horrible, yet these kids HAVE to be placed into a controlled environment because they are OUT of control!
Interested in what people have to say about options to the TC's youre all trying to close down.
While youre pounding the keys, consider another question...Can TCs change and be effective?
Have they?
If a TC once had ineffective means to resolve for troubled kids, are they not permitted to do so?
My friend has a 14 year old boy who smokes, steals, doesnt go to school, is violent and causes injury to teachers, his parents, other children. He shook an infant and caused brain damage. He broke his older sisters nose. He has caused so much damage to property that his parents have had to sell off their property and claim bankruptcy. and they are GOOD people and parents! Two other kids are GREAT happy kids!
What do they do with a kid like this? He will NOT take medication. He is in and out of boot camps. State detention centers etc.
Is it in anyone opinion that this kid shouldnt be exposed to whatever injustices a TC may contain in a last ditch effort to either keep him from killing someone or himself?
Is this cause within this board helping or hurting?
Lets say all the TCs listed here closed today.
What then?
And please, dont fuckin lecture me about poor parenting. My parents were awesome and I still put them through hell.
Theres a bazillion kids out there the same way. What do we do with them?
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Theres a bazillion kids out there the same way. What do we do with them?
You kill them!!
I kill children
I love to see them die
I kill children
And make their mamas cry
Crush 'em under my car
I wanna hear them scream
Feed 'em poison candy
To spoil their Halloween
So your're in the kids' ward
You're in there cos you're ill
How about some Pavulon
So I can see you chill
Time to hit the scool bus
I think I'll shoot the tires
Offer them a helping hand
Of open telephone wires
Ever wanted to die?
Of course you have
But I won't till I get my revenge
I don't wanna see people any more
Things I never ever saw before
Make me see them for the shit they are
Take as many as I can away with me
Anyone can be king for a day
So I kill children
I love to see them die
I kill children
And make their mamas cry
I bang their heads in doors
I kill children
Can hardly wait for yours
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Curious. Ackivism, dawgone it. In an effeckive cuz thars usually a "better way" proposed t'deal wif a corntrovahsial method bein' criticized, cuss it all t' tarnation. Yet ah see none hyar. None at all thet is not some idealists delushunal romannic, vishunary dream thet kids haf opshuns. This hyar is mighty mighty frestratin'. Not only on account o' its seems thars so menny varmints hyar simply bent on closin' TC's, but thet thars simply no other opshuns out thar fo' kids who CANNOT funckshun is public skoos o' at home. Mah juneral impresshun is thet menny hyar believe a chiles issues kin be resolved while they is still in th' home. Or wif psychotropic drugs, o' cornfinement in some other state helter-skelter o' state sanckshuned facility wif NO emphasis on social interackshuns, ejoocayshun o' behavio'. Th' fack is, in a medical facility, a chile is labeled, an' th' LABEL is treated, cuss it all t' tarnation. Th' illness is treated an' none of th' outlyin' issues is considered, cuss it all t' tarnation. Ive played three diffrunt roles an' c'dnt han'le it. ah was a disturbed yo'ng varmint, ah went on t'wawk at a TC, an' then on t'a psychiatric facility t'wawk as fine. ah can say this, ev'ry kid a met along th' way needed t'be somewhar. All three were ho'rible, yet these kids HAVE t'be placed into a corntrolled invironment on account o' they is OUT of corntrol! Fry mah hide! Interested in whut varmints hafta say about opshuns t'th' TC's yere all tryin' t'close down, as enny fool kin plainly see. While yere poun'in' th' keys, cornsider t'other quesshun...Kin TCs change an' be effeckive? Have they? Eff'n a TC once had ineffeckive means t'resolve fo' troubled kids, is they not permitted t'do so? Mah friend has a 14 year old fella who smokes, steals, doesnt hoof it to skoo, is violent an' cuzs injury t'skoo marms, his parents, other chillun. He shook an infant an' cuzd brain damage. He busted his older sisters nose. He has cuzd so much damage t'propuhty thet his parents haf had t'sell off their propuhty an' claim bankruppcy. an' they is GOOD varmints an' parents! Two other kids is GREAT happy kids! Whut in tarnation does they does wif a kid like this? He will NOT take medicashun. He is in an' outta boot camps. State detenshun centers etc. Is it in ennyone opinion thet this hyar kid sh'dnt be exposed t'whutevah injestices a TC may corntain in a last ditch effo't t'eifer keep him fum killin' someone o' hisse'f? Is this hyar cuz wifin this hyar board he'pin' o' hurtin'? Lets say all th' TCs listed hyar closed today. Whut in tarnation then? An' please, dont fuckin leckure me about pore parentin'. Mah parents were awesome an' ah still put them through hell, ah reckon. Thars a bazillion kids out thar th' same way. Whut in tarnation does we does wif them?
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Cuwious. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Activism. In an effective cause thewes usuawwy a "bettew way" pwoposed to deaw wif a contwovewsiaw method being cwiticized. Yet I see none hewe. None at aww that awe not some ideawists dewusionaw womantic, visionawy dweam that kids have options. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Dis is vewy vewy fwustwating. Not onwy because its seems thewes so many peopwe hewe simpwy bent on cwosing TC's, but that thewes simpwy no othew options out thewe fow kids who CANNOT function is pubwic schoows ow at home. My genewaw impwession is that many hewe bewieve a chiwds issues can be wesowved whiwe they awe stiww in the home. Ow wif psychotwopic dwugs, ow confinement in some othew state wun ow state sanctioned faciwity wif NO emphasis on sociaw intewactions, education ow behaviow. De fact is, in a medicaw faciwity, a chiwd is wabewed, and the WABEW is tweated. De iwwness is tweated and none of the outwying issues awe considewed. Ive pwayed thwee diffewent wowes and couwdnt handwe it. I was a distuwbed young pewson, I went on to wowk at a TC, and then on to a psychiatwic faciwity to wowk as weww. I can say this, evewy kid a met awong the way needed to be somewhewe. Aww thwee wewe howwibwe, yet these kids HAVE to be pwaced into a contwowwed enviwonment because they awe OUT of contwow! Intewested in what peopwe have to say about options to the TC's youwe aww twying to cwose down, uh-hah-hah-hah. Whiwe youwe pounding the keys, considew anothew qwestion, uh-hah-hah-hah. ..Can TCs change and be effective? Have they? If a TC once had ineffective means to wesowve fow twoubwed kids, awe they not pewmitted to do so? My fwiend has a 14 yeaw owd boy who smokes, steaws, doesnt go to schoow, is viowent and causes injuwy to teachews, his pawents, othew chiwdwen, uh-hah-hah-hah. He shook an infant and caused bwain damage. He bwoke his owdew sistews nose. He has caused so much damage to pwopewty that his pawents have had to seww off theiw pwopewty and cwaim bankwuptcy. and they awe GOOD peopwe and pawents! Two othew kids awe GWEAT happy kids! What do they do wif a kid wike this? He wiww NOT take medication, uh-hah-hah-hah. He is in and out of boot camps. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! State detention centews etc. Is it in anyone opinion that this kid shouwdnt be exposed to whatevew injustices a TC may contain in a wast ditch effowt to eithew keep him fwom kiwwing someone ow himsewf? Is this cause within this boawd hewping ow huwting? Wets say aww the TCs wisted hewe cwosed today. What then? And pwease, dont fuckin wectuwe me about poow pawenting. My pawents wewe awesome and I stiww put them thwough heww. Dewes a baziwwion kids out thewe the same way. What do we do wif them?
Curious. Ackibism. In an effeckibe cuz dehes usual a "betteh way" proposid to deal wid a controbehshul medod beigg kiticized. Yet I see none hehe. None at all dat are not some idealists delushunal romannic, bishun dream dat kids habe opshuns. Dis is behy behy frustratigg. Not on cuz its seems dehes so many peoble hehe sip bent on closigg TC's, duuhhhh, but dat dehes sip no odeh opshuns out dehe f' kids who CANNOT funcshun is public schools or at home. My genehal ipresshun dat many hehe beliebe a childs issues can be resolbid while dey are still in de home. Or wid psychotropic drugs, duuhhhh, or confinemin in some odeh state run or state sancshunid faciltiby wid NO emphasis on social innerackions, duuhhhh, educashun or behabior. De fack is, duuhhhh, in a medical faciltiby, a child is labeled, uh uh uh uh, 'n de LABEL is treated. De illness is treatid and none of de outlyigg issues are considehed. Ibe playid dree diffehent roles 'n cuddnt hanbble it. I was a disturbid young pehson, I webuhnt on t' work at a TC, 'n den on t' a psychiatric faciltiby t' work as webuhll. I can say dis, duuhhhh, ebehy kid a met along the, uh, the way needid to be somewhehe. All dree webuhre horriggle, yet dese kids HABE t' be placid into a controllid enbironmin cuz dey are OUT of control! Doihh, COOL! Innerestid in what peoble habe t' say bou' opshuns t' de TC's youre all tryigg t' close down. While youre poundigg de keys, duuhhhh, consideh anodeh kesshun...Can TCs change 'n be effeckibe, duh...uh...? Habe dey, duh...uh...? If a TC oss had ineffeckibe means t' resolbe f' truggled kids, duuhhhh, are dey not pehmittid to do so, duh...uh...? My friend has a 14 year old boy who smokes, duuhhhh, steals, duuhhhh, doesnt go t' school, is biolent 'n cuzs indgury t' teachehs, duuhhhh, his parents, duuhhhh, odeh children. Duh.He shook an infant 'n cuzd brain damage. He broke his oldeh sistehs nose. He has cuzd so much damage t' propehty dat his parents habe had t' sell off deir propehty 'n claim bankruptcy. and dey are GOOD peoble 'n parents! Huh huh! Two odeh kids are GREAT happy kids! Huh huh! What do dey do wid a kid like dis, duh...uh...? He will NOT take medicashun. Duh.He is in 'n out of boot camps. DOIHH!State detenshun centehs etc. Is it in anyone opinion dat dis kid shuddnt be exposid to whatebeh indgustices a TC may contain in a last ditch eff't t' eideh keep him from killigg someone or himself, duh...uh...? Is dis cuz widin dis board helpigg or hurtigg, duh...uh...? Lets say all de TCs listid hehe closid today. What den, duh...uh...? And blease, uh uh uh, dont fuckin leckure me bou' poor parentigg. My parents webuhre awebuhsome 'n I still put dem drough hell. Dehes a bazillion kids out dehe the, ERRRR, same way. What do webuh do wid dem, duh...uh...?
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Curious.
Activism. In an effective cause theres usually a "better way" proposed to deal with a controversial method being criticized.
Yet I see none here. None at all that are not some idealists delusional romantic, visionary dream that kids have options.
This is very very frustrating. Not only because its seems theres so many people here simply bent on closing TC's, but that theres simply no other options out there for kids who CANNOT function is public schools or at home.
My general impression is that many here believe a childs issues can be resolved while they are still in the home. Or with psychotropic drugs, or confinement in some other state run or state sanctioned facility with NO emphasis on social interactions, education or behavior. The fact is, in a medical facility, a child is labeled, and the LABEL is treated. The illness is treated and none of the outlying issues are considered.
Ive played three different roles and couldnt handle it. I was a disturbed young person, I went on to work at a TC, and then on to a psychiatric facility to work as well. I can say this, every kid a met along the way needed to be somewhere.
All three were horrible, yet these kids HAVE to be placed into a controlled environment because they are OUT of control!
Interested in what people have to say about options to the TC's youre all trying to close down.
While youre pounding the keys, consider another question...Can TCs change and be effective?
Have they?
If a TC once had ineffective means to resolve for troubled kids, are they not permitted to do so?
My friend has a 14 year old boy who smokes, steals, doesnt go to school, is violent and causes injury to teachers, his parents, other children. He shook an infant and caused brain damage. He broke his older sisters nose. He has caused so much damage to property that his parents have had to sell off their property and claim bankruptcy. and they are GOOD people and parents! Two other kids are GREAT happy kids!
What do they do with a kid like this? He will NOT take medication. He is in and out of boot camps. State detention centers etc.
Is it in anyone opinion that this kid shouldnt be exposed to whatever injustices a TC may contain in a last ditch effort to either keep him from killing someone or himself?
Is this cause within this board helping or hurting?
Lets say all the TCs listed here closed today.
What then?
And please, dont fuckin lecture me about poor parenting. My parents were awesome and I still put them through hell.
Theres a bazillion kids out there the same way. What do we do with them?
what a bunch of bs. if this kid shook an infant and caused brain damage hed be in prison ...a long time. In texas he'd be shot in the small intestine. You are lying.
If this hypothetical imaginary kid even partly exists in some alternative dimension my suggestion is get him away from that nutty family thats driving him to distraction - take him to a freinds house to live- and let this imaginay kid come to at his own pace
without real life imaginary 'help" that is truely the deliberate infliction of trauma to the youths brain--which in actual, existing, reality honestly does cause brain damage!
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Yet I see none here. None at all that are not some idealists delusional romantic, visionary dream that kids have options.
This is very very frustrating. Not only because its seems theres so many people here simply bent on closing TC's, but that theres simply no other options out there for kids who CANNOT function is public schools or at home.
Yes, there are options. Most program parents don't 'want' those options for thier kids, so they keep chiseling away to make them fit in a round hole.
My general impression is that many here believe a childs issues can be resolved while they are still in the home.
Short of the kid having brain damage or a birth defect, yeh it can be dealt with at home. We need thousands of SuperNannies that go into homes and straighten out the parents so the kid isn't shipped away.
The fact is, in a medical facility, a child is labeled, and the LABEL is treated. The illness is treated and none of the outlying issues are considered.
True. And I for one can tell you that the TBS my son attended without my consent, did not address the 'issues' he had with a sociopathic step-mom. He wasn't even allowed to talk about it.... manipulation, ya know. How the hell does a kid learn to get along with their parents when they're 1,000 miles apart for two years AND the TBS requires a post program placement in a 'selected' boarding school. Read: SCAM These places aren't 'healing' families, aren't building trust. They are making a ton of f'in cash.
Interested in what people have to say about options to the TC's youre all trying to close down.
You're a survivor, worked in one and couldn't handle it. I'm interested in what you think the options/solution is.
While youre pounding the keys, consider another question...Can TCs change and be effective? Have they?
No. Because they're all residential and sever contact between parent and child. They are flawed at the foundation.
That kid you described:
My friend has a 14 year old boy who smokes, steals, doesnt go to school, is violent and causes injury to teachers, his parents, other children. He shook an infant and caused brain damage. He broke his older sisters nose. He has caused so much damage to property that his parents have had to sell off their property and claim bankruptcy. and they are GOOD people and parents! Two other kids are GREAT happy kids!
would not be a candidate for a TBS, based on the disclaimers they now put on their websites and advertising. Although, we all know that they need head in beds, so they do take them. But, the program parent whose kid is there for flucking algebra or talking back doesn't want their kid hanging with a violent criminal. That kid 'might' be openly a candidate for a religious (beat the devil out of em) program or a Tranquility Bay type facility.
What do they do with a kid like this? He will NOT take medication. He is in and out of boot camps. State detention centers etc.
Isn't that the parents issue? If he's perpetrating crimes of violence, isn't that is where he should be?
Is it in anyone opinion that this kid shouldnt be exposed to whatever injustices a TC may contain in a last ditch effort to either keep him from killing someone or himself?
You're kidding right? Have you read any of the stories about kids with this profile and what they do when they leave the bm warehouse? If others are in danger, he needs to be in a juvenile detention center, preferable close to home so he can have weekly contact with his parents.
Is this cause within this board helping or hurting?
Lets say all the TCs listed here closed today.
What then?
Then middle class white folk wouldn't have an OPTION to keep their kid out of the JJ system or the college of the parent's choice.
Theres a bazillion kids out there the same way. What do we do with them?
What do WE do with them? Who is we? First, you realize that IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING JOB TO TAKE CARE OF OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS. IT'S NOT SOCIETY OR GOVERNMENTS JOB EITHER.
If you want to help, go into homes and help families figure out what the hell's going on. Teach them communication skills. Find out what's buggin the kid. Does he have any medical/neurological issues that aren't being addressed. Does he hate school and would rather be in a smaller setting or some artsy or vocational school. Is he acting out because he's being molested? Why is he hopeless and lacking passion for something.
Allowing about a month per family, you aught to be able to help 12 families a year.
There are OPTIONS. And shipping the kid off to total strangers shouldn't be one of them. Just happens to be the easiest.
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I was a disturbed young person, I went on to work at a TC, and then on to a psychiatric facility to work as well.
Oh, you are one of THEM! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Only the pansies and losers stayed behind at the program I was at, you must be a complete tool, eh?
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The converts are always the most rabid.
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Guest you have posed a question whos answer has been absent on fornits since I have been here. There doesn’t seem to be a better solution suggested here, except to turn their backs on them, do nothing and take the risk that the child gets thru it, which most parents are not willing to do.
The big push here for many posters here on fornits is not to help kids but merely to attack schools and parents who utilize them to help their children. The hatred runs so deep here that some even post names and pictures of recent college graduates (who are trying to get some experience working with children) and poking fun of their career choice and try to discredit their attempt to help these kids.
Most kids who attend Therapeutic boarding schools or TC’s have had the opportunity to work with a variety of local services (inside and outside the public sector) before their parents had to make the decision to seek treatment outside the home.
Anyone who suggests that sending their child away is the easy solution is either not a parent themselves or has an unhealthy relationship with their own children and never bonded properly and therefore cannot understand how difficult it is to have a family member leave prematurely or in the midst of a problem, it is gut wrenching at the very least.
The only viable solution (that any of us willing to recognize that these kids are at risk) is to continue to improve the industry, plug the holes where they exist and focus on getting the kids the help they deserve and need.
As more outcome studies are done and released to the public the awareness will spread, the ineffective schools will close down, the ineffective models will gravitate to more effective ones as the system grows and evolves.
The mentality of shutting down schools, hospitals or church’s because of a problem with a few of them in the past is born on the shoulders of ignorance and fear.
Lets focus on getting the kids the help they need.
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I don't feel this way often, but I think I hate you.
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Who, no.
We cite specific, systemic issues and back them up with evidence, it is not hatred and bashing.
Your choice to disregard them (even though this forum is full of them) is your choice but does not represent the actual reality that anyone with the ability to read the forums can see for themselves.
Also, you're crusin' for an aping.
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Guest you have posed a question whos answer has been absent on fornits since I have been here. There doesn’t seem to be a better solution suggested here, except to turn their backs on them, do nothing and take the risk that the child gets thru it, which most parents are not willing to do.
That's so not true, I've talked about the way I've dealt with it without using a program....I am willing to do whatever it takes along with the rest of the family, I've brought this issue up many a time, it doesn't mean doing nothing and hoping for the best, it means working bloody hard with the family to make sure everyopne is heard and the issues are dealt with.
Lets focus on getting the kids the help they need
Absolutely
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