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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 26, 2007, 10:05:12 PM
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Please people.. Leave the drama of the last thread in that thread. Let's talk about crushing PV.
To start I have some questions I'd like to ask about PV.
1) What was the food like?
2) Where was it served?
3) Was food ever denied?
4) What was the school part of the program like?
5) Where were classes conducted, and what was the classroom support like? IE. Teachers, computers, books etc..
6) Under what circumstances could school be denied?
7) What were the accomodations like for the students not in STU?
8) What sort of clothing did the captives wear, and where did it come from?
9) If you needed a basic necessity where did it come from? Such as tooth paste and things of that nature...
10) Was there a stage/level system at PV?
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Basic employee qualifications for entry level staff?
What sort of training did PV give them?
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I was at PV for 13 months and two other rehab centers as well... over all I was away for 5 years
I will answer the questions the person above has asked
1) What was the food like?
The food varied, somedays it was good depending if it was breakfast lunch and dinner others bad... but then again when you are hungry after a hard days work anything in your stomache is better then nothing. I only became ill after eating the food a few times but it was not due to the foods content but more the taste, thoes food included Keilbasa, Brussel sprouts, Honey buns, beef stroginof (which we called beef stroke me off).
2) Where was it served?
We usualy ate in a huge bulding located on the main campus called the "Y.C." or Youth Center.. this was also where parent events were held and the staff room was in the loft of said building while Boys STU is literaly in the basement below. Sometimes we had to eat at the cabin depending on the circumstaces. When we were on quarintine due to an illness that was floating about we ate at the cabin and had our food brought to us.. it was kind of nice not to have to walk a mile to eat seeing how the boys campus was on the other side. But the strike rule also comes in to play, the strike rule is basicly each month we get three strikes, If any of the males get caught sneaking a peek at the girls... that was a strike for the whole clan, if your clan obtained 3 strikes the clan would have to each day for a week consume every meal on the boys side. That means we had to go to the YC, take the food back to the boys side, eat, and then bring it back to the YC and then go BACK again to the boys side... making us take 4 trips as opposed to the normal 2.
3) Was food ever denied?
Kind of, they really manipulated this one... Based on what ever it was you did, would make you wait to eat untill 15 minutes before said meal was over... that means you have to eat ALL your food and not throw up. Problem was what ever was on the menu you had to get one portion of each type even if you hated it. Also you had to FINISH everythign on your plate or you would get DL (Desert limitation) They always made sure you ate... but they made it hard to enjoy whatever it was you were eating
4) What was the school part of the program like?
We only had school on mondays, wednesdays, and Fridays. I believe the girls had it on alternate days which makes me wonder if they only recieved 2 days of school as opposed to 3. The reason we only had three days of school was so on tuesday, thursday and saturday we could do vocational work... which was the village's cheap ass way of not having to hire anyone to repair anything. We pretty much fixed everything that went broken unless it truly needed to be professionaly done. Whne the cabins needed work, we fixed them, when concrete needed to be layed, we did that, spreading gravel, reshingling the roofs, weeding the front of the admissions office... that was us. This supposedly counted as gym and shop credits but I never saw any of thoes grades come to fruation when I finaly went to normal public school... thanks to PV I was put in 11th grade when I should have been in my senior year on the sole reason I did not have enough credits.
5) Where were classes conducted, and what was the classroom support like? IE. Teachers, computers, books etc..
The classrooms was a class cabin... thats right just like Tom Sawyer. Each clan had a section of the cabin that was "homeroom" with a specific teacher as the clans "homeroom teacher" The teachers were varied.... although there were only four they each had a unique personality and taught specific subjects... one taugh Math, calculus and of the like, Another taught strictly english and literature, another taught Biology and various sciences, and the last taught History, Geography, economics, etc. The books were new and plentiful but they never let you read what you wanted. I remember The english teacher told me to pick out a book as an assignment.. I picked a book called "A confederacy of Dunces" Which I had read before and enjoyed... He said he would not allow me to read it because I was not worthy of such majestic story telling. I agree it was an awsome story, majestice even.. But Iam not worthy to read a fucking book? Instead he made me read this peice of shit horribly written 120 page book titled "A light in the forrest" Which is just a shitty rip off of the book "The education of little tree"
Just for the record... you could not read anything other then A/A N/A material outside of school unless you were a high level and even then the book had to be evaluated and approved by your treatment team.
6) Under what circumstances could school be denied?
If you were sick, or in the burrito (straitjacket) or the time out room.
7) What were the accomodations like for the students not in STU?
Could you please be more specific about this question?
8) What sort of clothing did the captives wear, and where did it come from? We were to wear white T shirts, working jeans, shirts tucked in with belt, normal tennis shoes for school days and steel toed boots for work days. Every 2 months or so we would have something called inventory day where we would clean the cabin from top to bottom and go over a liost of clothes we needed... There was actualy a list with the items required and the ammount we should have that we had to have a staff verify and sign. Kids usualy recieved the clothes from their parents... but the kids whoes parents could not afford it or simply refused to send them things had to go find the items from what is known as "The eagles Nest" Basicly The eagles nest was a storage space for all the clothes that was ever left by a former patient... over 17 years of rehab patian clothes reside in that nest... and woe to the poor sap who had to get his clothes from that place...
9) If you needed a basic necessity where did it come from? Such as tooth paste and things of that nature...
The village provided that, also your parents could send you hygenic things if need be
10) Was there a stage/level system at PV? Yes, both in STU and in the Cabin program but they differ greatly. IN STU you have Levels 1,2, and 3. You come in as an "outcast" and have to earn your way in to the group by writing a 10 page journey paper about why you were sent to PV... once you complete it you are in the group. Depending on a kids writing level this project could take a few hours or for others 2 months. When u are in the group you are a level one. You have to kiss ass and ragg on your fellow captives to show your are able to be a level 2... you then have to send in a request and staff will review it. Level threes have the most privelege and I found out that all you have to do to get level 3 is ask... but most dont because when anyone talked about thinking about going for a level 3 they were manipulated in to not even bothering because they would be rejected and it would be a waste of time.
The cabin system was different and very intricate.... the levels were based off the Native American medicine wheel. The levels were Premouse, Mouse, Senior mouse (this level has been abolished) Bear, Bear Adoha, Eagle, and Buffalo. Each level ment something and it would take waaay to long to explain each meaning and how to obtain each level because each way is different based on what Clan you are put in to. Also when you recieve a level there is a ceramony among your Clan members that takes place by a fire in an almost cult like ritual that is supposed to be "mystical" but once again each ceramony was different depending on what clan you were in
Basic employee qualifications for entry level staff?
We were never informed of their qualifications and even if we asked wouldent tell us
Many claimed to be off duty marines... but when 9/11 happened I always mention how it was strange how they were not asked to ship out.
What sort of training did PV give them?
On the field training... get sone stupid intern and place him with a clan.
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7) What were the accomodations like for the students not in STU?
Could you please be more specific about this question?
Hey dude.. Dan from Cafety here.. I started this thread.. sorry to do it under a different name, but I'm glad you showed up.
What I mean by this question is where do the kids live when they aren't in STU? I understand they have cabins?
Describe?
Also.. Please talk about medical care and how you went about obtaining it. Did they have a nurse? Did they limit medical care? Was your medical needs ever neglected?
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Basicly we worked all the time. But in my mind we had more priveleges in the cabins because we were allowed to walk and move without getting in trouble and we got to see sunlight everyday as opposed to being locked in STU... I don't like being locked up so outside was better then inside
Threre were a variety of nurses.. I was put on Cylexia even thought I do not suffer from depression... you Hvae spoke to em on the phone Dan... do I sound Like a deppressed person? Also they had me on resperidol which is an anti psychotic.
I personaly was never rejected medical treatment, but thats not ot say it never happened
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And just in case anyone from PV see's this and comes on with their slimey spy like behaviors I hope you read this
EAAAAAT SHIT. I am livng well, I own my own fucking bussiness, I have my own place, I have a kick ass girlfriend whom I love dearly, still have relationships with all my friends you said did not give a shit about me.... I still drink like a fucking fish and tomarrow Iam going to DISNEYLAND to stay at the GRAND CALIFORNIAN HOTEL paid by the money I made even though you FUCKED over my education, YOU GUYS ARE GOING DOWN... IAM LUCKY THAT YOUR PSYCOLOGICAL BRAINWASHING DID NOT PHASE ME BUT YOU ARE GONNA PAY FOR ALL THE LIVES YOU MANGLED, AND JUST YOU WAIT... IF YOU THOUGHT I GAVE YOU HELL WHEN I WAS A PATIENT YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET... IAM GONNA SHOW YOU THE TRUE DEFINITION OF DEFIANT YOU SOCIOPATHIC, COMMUNISTIC, SELF RIGHTIOUS,, UNDERQUALIFIED NAZI'S.
HEY TODD ROBERTS....YOU WERE A PRICK THEN YOU ARE A PRICK NOW, AND YOU WERE NEVER IN THE FUCKING MILITARY SO LOSE THE STUPID CRUE CUT
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Hey man you want to get a user account? I'd like to move this discussion down to my own forum. To keep it from dissolving into a total wreck. Not worried about you my good man. However, if you want to keep it here its cool.
No I haven't talked to you on the phone, but Zen vouches for you and you are Irish so depression is not likely.
Next question..
Describe your intake to the program.
How were you informed of your departure to the program?
How were you transported to the program?
On arrival what happened?
In short what I would like is a brief run down of your first day or two in the program.
Thanks.. Dan/TSW
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wait... I thought this WAS zen... Iam confused... I thought you were the person who I talked to on the phone... my mistake
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And just in case anyone from PV see's this and comes on with their slimey spy like behaviors I hope you read this
EAAAAAT SHIT. I am livng well, I own my own fucking bussiness, I have my own place, I have a kick ass girlfriend whom I love dearly, still have relationships with all my friends you said did not give a shit about me.... I still drink like a fucking fish and tomarrow Iam going to DISNEYLAND to stay at the GRAND CALIFORNIAN HOTEL paid by the money I made even though you FUCKED over my education, YOU GUYS ARE GOING DOWN... IAM LUCKY THAT YOUR PSYCOLOGICAL BRAINWASHING DID NOT PHASE ME BUT YOU ARE GONNA PAY FOR ALL THE LIVES YOU MANGLED, AND JUST YOU WAIT... IF YOU THOUGHT I GAVE YOU HELL WHEN I WAS A PATIENT YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET... IAM GONNA SHOW YOU THE TRUE DEFINITION OF DEFIANT YOU SOCIOPATHIC, COMMUNISTIC, SELF RIGHTIOUS,, UNDERQUALIFIED NAZI'S.
HEY TODD ROBERTS....YOU WERE A PRICK THEN YOU ARE A PRICK NOW, AND YOU WERE NEVER IN THE FUCKING MILITARY SO LOSE THE STUPID CRUE CUT
LMAO.. hehehe this is why I love fornits. Amen dude.. fuck PV.
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wait... I thought this WAS zen... Iam confused... I thought you were the person who I talked to on the phone... my mistake
No, but Zen did tell me a little about you. He said you were a stand up young man who wasn't afraid of anything. Glad to have you on fornits.
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no, Iam afraid of things... just not overbearing, bible thumping, halfwitted rednecks who waive their authority around as if it means something
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Good onya.. shall we continue with the question and answer?
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Thanks TSW and DYS for getting back on track to some informative dialogue about PV.
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Thanks for the thanks.
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DYS! Let's crash the Village idiot mascot celebration in June.
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- Were you fully informed of your rights, rights limitations, and responsibilities?
- Were you able to freely voice grievances or report abuse to the facility staff, or an outside
representative of your choice without fear of restraint, interference, coercion, discrimination, or reprisal?
- Did PV assist you in exercising your rights? (I know, I know.. bare with me)
- Were you allowed to send mail unopened or have any unmonitored phone calls with family?
- Were you allowed to associate and communicate freely and/or privately with persons of your choice
including receiving visitors at reasonable hours? If not, what was the reason given to you or listed in
your file?
- Did you experience or witness any verbal, emotional, or physical abuse?
- Would you say that any abuses experienced or witnessed were isolated events, or do you feel that any
abuses experienced or witnessed were institutional and part of the program?
- Did PV setup a service plan specifically for you or was it a one size fits all kinda thing?
I'll have more later....
Also register I want to send you a PM...
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I was at PV for 13 months and two other rehab centers as well... over all I was away for 5 years
I will answer the questions the person above has asked
6) Under what circumstances could school be denied?
If you were sick, or in the burrito (straitjacket) or the time out room.
Interesting you refer to it as the "burrito"...I read about the burrito online (on the blog of another PV survivor) and when I asked PV clinicians about the burrito they laughed and acted as though they did not know what I was talking about. Is it possible that this is a term used only among lower level staff?
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Boy this is an odd site, seems all calm and almost pro PV? HMMMMM what bull nothing strange here, no PV damage control
oh my God, we have to make them think we aren't Nazis
quick get online and talk about school and "a light in the forest"
make it sound like normal stuff
kids angry at boot camp,
not sadistic undereducated Nazi freaks torturing thirteen year olds
"die yuppie scum?" What's up?
Now what "guest" wrote sounds more accurate.
Give up, the true stories, like PTS girl being restrained 16 times a week and left in a bed net to rot on thorazine for nothing
that's PV
not this happy "just like Tom Sawyer"
pile of crap
real PV people have already posted enough stuff give up
Guest pops on
PV is the devil the devil I hate you the devil ahhhhhhh
right after you fools try to talk about "tom sawyer" and a
"light in the forest"
this ain't going to work,
now that the internet age is here to stay, cover of TIME magazine says
Guests are always going to be popping up talking like, well like Guest,
like PV is what it is, you can't disguise the truth
people can't make stuff this accurate and in depth up.
As long as real PV teens keep posting
this stupid tactic is done.
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Guest don't register,
nobody register,
it is the same people on all the PV threads and they got real weird to the last PV person, go look up the other Fornits PV thread.
It is so obviouse at least some of these people are PV. Nobody register!! Just keep posting!!
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Dear Guest
you are the coolest person ever, I hope everything you do in life goes perfect for you. I hope you have a mansion with a pool in the nicest city ever on the beach, I am so glad to hear you voice saying what PV really is. And I am so glad you are doing well despite what those pigs do to people. I'm always so afraid people out of PV won't make it. Bless you :D 8-) I am so glad to hear that PV didn't kill people and we are stong and happy inspite of them.
Don't talk to the people on this site, there is something wrong with the! Go read the other thread, it gets really bad!! They beat the hell out of this girl PV style. Give you flash backs, I'm sorry. Don't look. Just don't talk to these people or give them you address
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Were you fully informed of your rights, rights limitations, and responsibilities?
Any rights we had were "restricted" That is honestly the term they used for it. They restrict your right to recieve mail, the right to hold on to a valid form of I.D., the right to speak to any type of attorney or AA/NA sponser, even your own family. They inform you on your "rights" via video tape on your second or third day of STU
Were you able to freely voice grievances or report abuse to the facility staff, or an outside
representative of your choice without fear of restraint, interference, coercion, discrimination, or reprisal?
No, can't get any more clear then that.
Did PV assist you in exercising your rights? (I know, I know.. bare with me)
See the above
Were you allowed to send mail unopened or have any unmonitored phone calls with family?
You could send mail but it had to be approved by staff and you could only make an unmonitored call if you were a bear level or higher.... but that was still loosely monitored
Were you allowed to associate and communicate freely and/or privately with persons of your choice
including receiving visitors at reasonable hours? If not, what was the reason given to you or listed in
your file? Only your parents could visit you and that had to be approved by your therapist. Occasionaly your siblings could come too
Did you experience or witness any verbal, emotional, or physical abuse?
Many counts
Would you say that any abuses experienced or witnessed were isolated events, or do you feel that any
abuses experienced or witnessed were institutional and part of the program?
A mix of both really. Staff could be vindicitive... some did it as revenge, some did it because they liked to feel as if they had power
Did PV setup a service plan specifically for you or was it a one size fits all kinda thing? What kind of serveice are you refering to?
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By service plan I think the sort of treatment you recieved via the "Therapists".
What sort of therapy was the norm at PV?
Was it all group therapy, or was it a mix of individual therapy and group therapy?
What sort of level system did you have?
Explain each level and how you achieved them please.
Who determined you gained a level and what was the decision an objective decision based on observed facts or a subjective decision base on the instincts of the staff?
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Also.. If you did have time with a Therapist was is considered private?
Or did the Therapist feel free to share information you divuluged during a session?
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As an on-topic aside, I got banned from "Camp Peninsula Village" on Facebook. I asked what happened at the retreat, if they got restrained and put in burritos, or if they all shared a few spikes of Klonopine for old times sake. Some wealthy alumnus (they all have rich girl names) asked "Uh, dude? Did you, like, go to PV, even?" I said "Yeah, I'm Andy Klepper, the homerun kid," and I made some remarks about them being mascots, and they were a bold bunch for risking E.Coli infection by bunking so near the porta-shats. The last word came when some Muffy mewled, "Dude, you seem like, really bitter, and maybe you should rant elsewhere, k?" I defended my right to rant, and damn, they ejected me, Mr. Botwa Mofutu, from the ranks of the Honored PV Alumni. Ain't that a bitch?
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Thanks for responding I can tell you for sure that Peninsula Village unlawfully restricted your rights. This isn't a hunch....
So they video taped themselves informing you of your rights... Could you get a copy of this tape with your records? Have you ever tried to get your records from Peninsula Village? Others have told me that it's almost impossible considering the hoops they make you jump through.
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The "reasonable cost" of having PV retrieve and send the files is unreasonable. One former patient was asking for her records, was told she could have "limited selections" and the fee was just under $300. That's a lot of money to shell out for files you can expect to see about three weeks after your request, if they acknowledge you. That's a lot of time for PV to pick and choose info and "misplace" the parts that could leave the program legally exposed. I'm not saying they would, but it's possible.
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I looked at the camp peninsula thing and apparently that is a whole other ball of wax... while the program IS on the same grounds it is NOT a rehab program... they do not have the same experiences or punishments we did because it is a day camp. So thats why the kids you spoke to do not recognise what you are talking about
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by the way, whats with all the redundant questions?
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And just in case anyone from PV see's this and comes on with their slimey spy like behaviors I hope you read this
EAAAAAT SHIT. I am livng well, I own my own fucking bussiness, I have my own place, I have a kick ass girlfriend whom I love dearly, still have relationships with all my friends you said did not give a shit about me.... I still drink like a fucking fish and tomarrow Iam going to DISNEYLAND to stay at the GRAND CALIFORNIAN HOTEL paid by the money I made even though you FUCKED over my education, YOU GUYS ARE GOING DOWN... IAM LUCKY THAT YOUR PSYCOLOGICAL BRAINWASHING DID NOT PHASE ME BUT YOU ARE GONNA PAY FOR ALL THE LIVES YOU MANGLED, AND JUST YOU WAIT... IF YOU THOUGHT I GAVE YOU HELL WHEN I WAS A PATIENT YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET... IAM GONNA SHOW YOU THE TRUE DEFINITION OF DEFIANT YOU SOCIOPATHIC, COMMUNISTIC, SELF RIGHTIOUS,, UNDERQUALIFIED NAZI'S.
HEY TODD ROBERTS....YOU WERE A PRICK THEN YOU ARE A PRICK NOW, AND YOU WERE NEVER IN THE FUCKING MILITARY SO LOSE THE STUPID CRUE CUT
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Why is the dude above me simply repeating what I said?
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Personally i think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
You're a terrible person AND a liar.
1. I never wrote anything like that burst of ill will to WANF. I asked you to re-post anything I wrote like that. You didn't.
Free, you are what the goons would label Narcissistic. You are unbelievably self-centered. You play every card in the book, too. Racism, sexism, religion, you'll take any remark as offensive and reel off into incoherent ranting and raving. You throw PV into the mix occasionally, but all you're doing is agitating, and seriously messed up or not, you are a troll.
What do you want to do about PV? What you're ranting about is off the map. No doubt this will wind you up and you'll spin like a top for pages.
So...what is it that you want? You want help? Or do you want to put PV in a fucking legal straitjacket? Anything other than the latter is out of place here.Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:13 pm
I made a parellel, as in, "You said WANF is crazy, well your step-d is crazy. Would ya lke it is I said that?". You genuinely meant the insult to be accurate. I did not mean the insult and used it only to illustrate such conduct is hurful. Unacceptable
Before it starts: I've got an agenda, and that's obvious. I don't give a good goddamn if you think I'm a bastard or not. Your agenda is not so clear. A social crusade is okay, we're a little more focused on one fucking issue than you seem to be.Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:32 pm
You know, I tried that...if you look back, way back in this thread, you'll see a lot of people tried that. She wants nothing but confrontation, and sympathy or offers of consultation are ignored, or misinterpreted and attacked, and it's not the place. Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:46 pm
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...And I apologized. Do the same, "guest". Duchess Nelson.
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all I can say is WHAT THE FUCK :question: :question: :question: :question:
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Ok DYS do you want to take this interview down to my forum away from CC... I mean the guest's constant trolling?
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Personally i think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
You're a terrible person AND a liar.
1. I never wrote anything like that burst of ill will to WANF. I asked you to re-post anything I wrote like that. You didn't.
Free, you are what the goons would label Narcissistic. You are unbelievably self-centered. You play every card in the book, too. Racism, sexism, religion, you'll take any remark as offensive and reel off into incoherent ranting and raving. You throw PV into the mix occasionally, but all you're doing is agitating, and seriously messed up or not, you are a troll.
What do you want to do about PV? What you're ranting about is off the map. No doubt this will wind you up and you'll spin like a top for pages.
So...what is it that you want? You want help? Or do you want to put PV in a fucking legal straitjacket? Anything other than the latter is out of place here.Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:13 pm
I made a parellel, as in, "You said WANF is crazy, well your step-d is crazy. Would ya lke it is I said that?". You genuinely meant the insult to be accurate. I did not mean the insult and used it only to illustrate such conduct is hurful. Unacceptable
Before it starts: I've got an agenda, and that's obvious. I don't give a good goddamn if you think I'm a bastard or not. Your agenda is not so clear. A social crusade is okay, we're a little more focused on one fucking issue than you seem to be.Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:32 pm
You know, I tried that...if you look back, way back in this thread, you'll see a lot of people tried that. She wants nothing but confrontation, and sympathy or offers of consultation are ignored, or misinterpreted and attacked, and it's not the place. Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:46 pm
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Fuck this bullshit. :roll: :roll: ::phone::
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Personally i think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
You're a terrible person AND a liar.
1. I never wrote anything like that burst of ill will to WANF. I asked you to re-post anything I wrote like that. You didn't.
Free, you are what the goons would label Narcissistic. You are unbelievably self-centered. You play every card in the book, too. Racism, sexism, religion, you'll take any remark as offensive and reel off into incoherent ranting and raving. You throw PV into the mix occasionally, but all you're doing is agitating, and seriously messed up or not, you are a troll.
What do you want to do about PV? What you're ranting about is off the map. No doubt this will wind you up and you'll spin like a top for pages.
So...what is it that you want? You want help? Or do you want to put PV in a fucking legal straitjacket? Anything other than the latter is out of place here.Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:13 pm
I made a parellel, as in, "You said WANF is crazy, well your step-d is crazy. Would ya lke it is I said that?". You genuinely meant the insult to be accurate. I did not mean the insult and used it only to illustrate such conduct is hurful. Unacceptable
Before it starts: I've got an agenda, and that's obvious. I don't give a good goddamn if you think I'm a bastard or not. Your agenda is not so clear. A social crusade is okay, we're a little more focused on one fucking issue than you seem to be.Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:32 pm
You know, I tried that...if you look back, way back in this thread, you'll see a lot of people tried that. She wants nothing but confrontation, and sympathy or offers of consultation are ignored, or misinterpreted and attacked, and it's not the place. Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:46 pm
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Fuck this bullshit. :roll: :roll: ::phone::
What did I tell you about overuse of the "roll eyes" emoticon, Duchess Nelson? We know who you are.
Trolls come out at night...
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No,no Zen.. you've got it all wrong.. I'm an anonymous poster annoyed with this person following you around like a pile of glue. I'd like to snap their satupid fucking neck. And now back to your reg. sched. prog.
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Oh! Sorry! I couldn't tell. I told the Duchess to quit using the "roll eyes" emoticon, I thought is was her. She is an annoying troll, isn't she? Been up my ass like a suppository. But she's not a PV staffer...oh, no. At least, not anymore.
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Is she CCM Girl?
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Is she CCM Girl?
No, she's superwoman! :roll:
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Nah...former PV child abuser/staff.
I've been reading a PV counselor's blog where she's talking about looking for daycare, and she's worried her child could be abused, she's heard some of these places have a reputation for being abusive...
Well, fuck me. Why doesn't she know the reputation the place she works at has? Her blog certainly didn't raise the bar for PV's reputation as a safe and nurturing place for kids, as much as she says she's blameless.
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Ok then.. However, either we all agree to ignore the trolling or we move this thread down to my own forum. I'm not interested in working in the middle of a 3 ring circus. I'd rather take a big shit on PeeVee.
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You can knock out this trollage on your forum, right? It seems like a much better place to do serious work than this Ringling Bros. tent. I'm getting very tired of the clowns and their stupid dog tricks.
Let's take this party downtown, then.
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ok, if anyone has any questions ask me ONE question at a time so I can reply and not feel overwhelmed
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ok, if anyone has any questions ask me ONE question at a time so I can reply and not feel overwhelmed
Deal
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Absolutely DYS.
for Zen
I will start a thread down in my own forum. Trollage can most certainly be destroyed. I'll cut and paste the pertinent posts down to a new thread when I get home from work.
Stand by for the commencement of question.. number 1.
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21438 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21438)
up and running. Post away when ready.
TSW
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You can knock out this trollage on your forum, right? It seems like a much better place to do serious work than this Ringling Bros. tent. I'm getting very tired of the clowns and their stupid dog tricks.
Let's take this party downtown, then.
Yeah, let's take this party downstairs.
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Bring it yo.
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You can knock out this trollage on your forum, right? It seems like a much better place to do serious work than this Ringling Bros. tent. I'm getting very tired of the clowns and their stupid dog tricks.
Let's take this party downtown, then.
Yeah, let's take this party downstairs.
Bring it yo.
well now, taking that party downstairs seems to have produced some meaningful discussion on the PV topic after all. I'll jump in with some of my own observations soon enough.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21438 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21438)
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Not many survivors like being bothered with routine questions. I can't stand asking half the time either. However, it has to be done. Thus far both Die Yuppie Scum and Hrt2brk have been decent about providing me with more information on PV than I've seen to date about the day to day operations of the place.
In my mind it is already a foregone conclusion that the place would benifit from a cruise missile strike, but my sort of insight into TBS programs comes at the sort of price I think most semi-normal people would be better off avoiding.
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I'm sending you one more PV survivor, TSW. It's the young lady who was restrained I think three hundred times. She's also the girl who had no substance abuse problems, so PV told her she was addicted Thorazine, Klonopine and Halperidol...the very sedatives they were giving her in health-threatening quantities. She's very clear and angry at PV, with damn good reason...
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This isn't at all amusing. A fucking tragedy more than anything. And I have to add I have a dream. One day all the little white girls and all the little black girls and all the little multiculturalistic genetic crossbreeds will take it upon themselves to launch a cruise missle attack on the vile place.
sighs..
Send her on in, should be interesting to have all three of these young men and women answering and discussing.
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This is from Knoxville's Sentinel. Quick background: A counselor from Peninsula Hospital named Johnia Berry was murdered in 2004, and the case is still unsolved. She was very attractive and much-loved, and her murder was absolutely senseless with no clear motive.
Peninsula Hospital is the adult version of Peninsula Village.
I'm posting this because I know several former patients of PV have had extreme difficulty obtaining copies of their records. As this article shows, even the police investigating the murder of one of Peninsula's own staff hit the same stone wall.
"Patient Confidentiality" is supposed to protect the patient, and not used as a shield to keep an abusive facility from being exposed.
Berry investigators seek patients' names
By JIM BALLOCH, balloch@knews.com
April 24, 2007
Knox County Sheriff's Office investigators, probing the murder of Johnia Berry, are trying to get the names of men who were patients at Peninsula Hospital in a period of time leading up to her death.
But officials at the mental health facility, concerned with patient confidentiality issues, are resisting compliance with a subpoena for the records.
The issue was debated today in a hearing before a three-judge panel of the state Court of Criminal Appeals.
Berry, 21, an East Tennessee State University senior from Bristol had worked at the hospital briefly, Assistant Knox County Attorney General John Bledsoe told the judges.
She was stabbed to death in her home on Dec. 6, 2004. Her male roommate, Jason Aymami, was injured in the attack. The blood of a third person, an unidentified white male, was found at the scene.
Bledsoe told the panel that there is no current evidence linking the crime to anyone at Peninsula. He said investigators are not seeking medical information, only the names of and contact information for white males who were patients at the hospital for a specific period of time, so they can be located and interviewed, Bledsoe said.
A investigative subpoena for the information, based on affidavits by a forensic psychologist and an FBI profiler, was issued by Criminal Court Judge Mary Beth Leibowitz,
All court documents pertaining to the legal clash over the subpoena were filed under seal and remained so after today's hearing.
More details as they develop online and in Wednesday's News Sentinel.
Jim Balloch may be reached at 865-342-6315.
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Formal written requests for records to the intake services director apparently just get passed around amongst PV personnel for a good snigger.
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Five Pages of the best way to KILL A PERSON???? :question: :question: :question: :question: :question:
That is unproductive and not very nice.
Shouldn't we redirect our attention toward abusive facilities like PV and the Troubled Teen Industry?[/i]
PV held their graduation yesterday. I wondered if kids were free to leave after they graduated, or do they just have to take their diplomas from PV back to the cabins or STU and wait? What if they are on the two year plan like I was supposed to be? I am so happy to be graduating with all the kids I have been with since pre-school.
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Five Pages of the best way to KILL A PERSON???? :question: :question: :question: :question: :question:
That is unproductive and not very nice.
Shouldn't we redirect our attention toward abusive facilities like PV and the Troubled Teen Industry?[/i]
Ditto
PV held their graduation yesterday. I wondered if kids were free to leave after they graduated, or do they just have to take their diplomas from PV back to the cabins or STU and wait? What if they are on the two year plan like I was supposed to be? I am so happy to be graduating with all the kids I have been with since pre-school.
Congratulations!! All of the good stuff happens after high school, you can actually learn what you want ::rocker::
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You stay at PV whether you have graduated or not. As long as there is an interested parent and money they will find a reason to keep you there, but I think you already knew that.
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The whole Graduation thing was moronic... they got their diplomas on a field. I remember how idiotic it was and how they made it seem like it was a big deal when it really wasn't. They even had the girls side sing Vitamin C's "Graduation Song"
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The whole Graduation thing was moronic... they got their diplomas on a field. I remember how idiotic it was and how they made it seem like it was a big deal when it really wasn't. They even had the girls side sing Vitamin C's "Graduation Song"
I've heard it was a bit of a dog and pony show. PV was encouraging local advocates to attend the graduation, none went that I know of. We forewarned them it is NOT a normal day at Peni Ville. You know as well as I do why PV wants visits scheduled well in advance: to notify staff not to use the air horns, and for Chrissake, no public takedowns.
Wish you lived nearby, I had a guerilla warfare tactic in mind that would have caused chaos, and the administrator would have lost control of his bowels. I needed a guy with good inside knowledge of PV and brass balls. There will be another occasion...
Sorry I missed your call, DYS. I spent last Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday in the grip of some kind of stomach flu that had me wishing for a toilet by the bed or death. You had some info on a new program with a reverse policy on possessions? That's interesting...
I'll be here in Knoxville until Tuesday morning if you want to call, or I can call you at a specified time. I feel like I interrupted your stroll on the beach last week.
Tomorrow's my step daughter's Honor Society ceremony, I can't miss that. The president of my company was amazed that despite the trauma she went through, she re-grouped and did well. She's like you, man, a crass and brass warrior.
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call whene ever you wish. Seeing how I am my own boss and make my own hours I can recieve calls even dead smack in the middle of the work day.
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and while you are at it ban Peninsula Village
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Seems like the crappers are once again overflowing down on the Peninsula. My heartfelt sympathy to the prisoners there.
Sincerely,
Your gainfully unemployed servant
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so I called one of my other RTC's known as Island View and asked if I could recieve a copy of my files and such... they told me it would cost me 100 bucks... and that if I wanted it I had better do it sooner rather then later because they eventualy destroy the copies when they get around to it... this leads me to believe that other RTC's follow the same proactice to cover their asses. Basicly they charge you up the ass to get a copy of all the shit you know in your head in order to discourage getting ahold of it... and because the patient never comes to claim it they concider it "case closed" and destroy the files... is that not illegal?
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What about filing a complaint with State, I'm sure they would have to pull your records. I gotta get off my ass and back to work on this, I'll send you a pm DYS
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no dice.... in oh so many words... they basicly said not only is it outside their discretion seeing how it is a "private facility"... they falt out don't care.
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an excerpt posted on the PV facility Q and A thread.
"Staff had me by the arms and I was becoming very resistant to them. I tried to break free because, like I said, all I wanted was my mom. The crowd of staff members made some pretty swift movements and all of the sudden I was down on the ground, the deck leading into the unit. My head was being mashed onto chicken wire that I could feel cutting me on my face closer to my eyes. I could also feel it tearing the skin on my elbows, wrists, knees, ankles, and feet. I was screaming and couldn't stop. An alarm was going off in the background. I could feel someone sitting on my upper back, knees, and bottom. Then all of the sudden I was above each of their heads, floating across the unit into the time out room where I could again feel my head being mashed into the floor and the weight of people on my body. I heard someone say "she's bleeding!" and the voices of 8 or so staff members in the time out room, and even more standing around it on the unit. I couldn't breathe at all. My hair was in my mouth and, with the weight of a body on my back and my head being held down, I could not feel the normal sensation of my lungs exchanging oxygen for carbon dioxide. After a while I could feel my clothes being yanked off of me and my shoes taken off. Some women lifted me up and put what I thought was a sheet under me, then realized that I was supposed to be putting my arms through the sleeved of a set of hospital gowns. I ate in the time out room with no utensils and waited for what seemed like hours until they let me out again. Group therapy was terrible after that."
the rest of the story is on the thread
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Since we be talkin about ca ca fatcats and shit.
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and literally eating shit.
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KREFLO! You watch your mouth!
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KREFLO! You watch your mouth!
Talkin bout PV
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KREFLO! You watch your mouth!
Talkin bout PV
We can dig it!