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Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2007, 09:01:25 AM
What we now know about Hyde, and this is indisputable, is that the school has a history of accepting quite a few deeply troubled students.  Some of these students walk through Hyde's "hallowed" front door with histories of substance abuse, defiant behavior, legal troubles, and very complicated emotional and mental illness issues.

So, what does Hyde do?  Hyde foists upon them lectures about character, as if Hyde's superficial, glib and formulaic preachings are going to get at the root of that kind of complex set of challenges.  Joe Gauld and his minions know how to cure all these ills.

Give me a break.  Hyde takes in these students and doesn't have one iota of bona fide mental health services on its campus.  This is a recipe for disaster, and Hyde has had plenty of them.  What Virginia Tech has taught us, yet again, is that academic institutions, Hyde included, need to have sophisticated protocols in place.  Virginia Tech, at least, has a genuine student mental health center, the way any legitimate, professionally run school would.  (There's only so much a school can do to prevent what happened at Virginia Tech.)  Hyde, on the other hand, takes in a very high-risk population (unlike Virginia Tech) and has NO THERAPISTS ON STAFF.  Is that bizarre, or what?  

What will it take for Hyde to learn? Parents, is this the environment you want your child in?
Title: Re: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2007, 09:36:03 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
What we now know about Hyde, and this is indisputable, is that the school has a history of accepting quite a few deeply troubled students.  Some of these students walk through Hyde's "hallowed" front door with histories of substance abuse, defiant behavior, legal troubles, and very complicated emotional and mental illness issues.

So, what does Hyde do?  Hyde foists upon them lectures about character, as if Hyde's superficial, glib and formulaic preachings are going to get at the root of that kind of complex set of challenges.  Joe Gauld and his minions know how to cure all these ills.

Give me a break.  Hyde takes in these students and doesn't have one iota of bona fide mental health services on its campus.  This is a recipe for disaster, and Hyde has had plenty of them.  What Virginia Tech has taught us, yet again, is that academic institutions, Hyde included, need to have sophisticated protocols in place.  Virginia Tech, at least, has a genuine student mental health center, the way any legitimate, professionally run school would.  (There's only so much a school can do to prevent what happened at Virginia Tech.)  Hyde, on the other hand, takes in a very high-risk population (unlike Virginia Tech) and has NO THERAPISTS ON STAFF.  Is that bizarre, or what?  

What will it take for Hyde to learn? Parents, is this the environment you want your child in?


I don't find it bizarre that Hyde has no therapists on staff. As has been pointed out elsewhere, if therapists are under oath to report psychologically harmful practices by their employers, then it is not in Hyde's best interests to hire them. This forum is a testimonial to Hyde's psychologically harmful practices. Hyde would have to renounce its seminar- and brother's keeper-oriented approach in order to hire therapists. Given the personalities involved, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Mike
Title: Re: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2007, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
What we now know about Hyde, and this is indisputable, is that the school has a history of accepting quite a few deeply troubled students.  Some of these students walk through Hyde's "hallowed" front door with histories of substance abuse, defiant behavior, legal troubles, and very complicated emotional and mental illness issues.

So, what does Hyde do?  Hyde foists upon them lectures about character, as if Hyde's superficial, glib and formulaic preachings are going to get at the root of that kind of complex set of challenges.  Joe Gauld and his minions know how to cure all these ills.

Give me a break.  Hyde takes in these students and doesn't have one iota of bona fide mental health services on its campus.  This is a recipe for disaster, and Hyde has had plenty of them.  What Virginia Tech has taught us, yet again, is that academic institutions, Hyde included, need to have sophisticated protocols in place.  Virginia Tech, at least, has a genuine student mental health center, the way any legitimate, professionally run school would.  (There's only so much a school can do to prevent what happened at Virginia Tech.)  Hyde, on the other hand, takes in a very high-risk population (unlike Virginia Tech) and has NO THERAPISTS ON STAFF.  Is that bizarre, or what?  

What will it take for Hyde to learn? Parents, is this the environment you want your child in?

I don't find it bizarre that Hyde has no therapists on staff. As has been pointed out elsewhere, if therapists are under oath to report psychologically harmful practices by their employers, then it is not in Hyde's best interests to hire them. This forum is a testimonial to Hyde's psychologically harmful practices. Hyde would have to renounce its seminar- and brother's keeper-oriented approach in order to hire therapists. Given the personalities involved, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Mike


I think you're right, Mike.  Hyde is not likely to admit that many of its students need serious mental health counseling.  And no professional mental health therapist would last at Hyde; they'd be caught in a horrible double bind, given the emotional abuse and negligence at Hyde.

So . . . Hyde is making its own bed.  Everyone knows that a significant portion of Hyde's student body is troubled.  Hyde's own materials acknowledge that.  Hyde's narrow-mindedness and arrogance are now biting them where it hurts, in the admissions department.  Because of Fornits, word about Hyde's noteworthy and glaring shortcomings is now spreading far and wide.  Hyde is getting what it has deserved for a very long time.
Title: Re: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2007, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Hyde is making its own bed.  Everyone knows that a significant portion of Hyde's student body is troubled.  Hyde's own materials acknowledge that.  Hyde's narrow-mindedness and arrogance are now biting them where it hurts, in the admissions department.  Because of Fornits, word about Hyde's noteworthy and glaring shortcomings is now spreading far and wide.  Hyde is getting what it has deserved for a very long time.


I am less sanguine than you about the effect Fornits is having on Hyde's ultimate, long-term survival.

Mike
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Ursus on April 18, 2007, 10:32:17 AM
Time to resurrect the old Time Magazine article, to shed some light on Joe Gauld's contempt for dissenting opinion, not to mention children in general!  I know this has been brought up and discussed before, but I'm not sure that anyone bothered to cut and paste it....  This originally appeared in the Monday, August 9th, 1976 issue.  I don't think much has changed about his attitude, ha!

------------------------------

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 95,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,914495,00.html)

School of Hard Knocks

"Andrew, do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" asked Teacher Jim Searles of the shy, withdrawn teen-ager who had come for an interview at the Hyde School in Bath, Me.  Andrew was close to tears, but Searles was only following the sock-it-to-'em pedagogic philosophy of his boss, Hyde Founder Joseph Gauld, 50. Faced with a rebellious applicant, Gauld once shouted, "Listen, I'm telling you either change your attitude around me or I will jam it down your throat."

Although annual fees for tuition, board and room add up to a hefty $4,700, life at the small (enrollment: 175) coed boarding school is almost as rigorous as that of a Marine boot camp. Many of the students are troubled, and short-tempered Gauld treats them like a drill instructor faced with a platoon of left-footed recruits. He occasionally slaps and routinely humiliates the kids--with their parents' tacit consent--in a no-holds-barred effort to toughen them up and build their characters. "The rod is only wrong in the wrong hands," Gauld likes to say. When he finds that a student has what he considers a "bad attitude," Gauld may order him to wear a sign saying I ACT LIKE A BABY, or tell him to dig a 6-ft. by 6-ft. trench and then fill it up. He has even conducted a public paddling ceremony at Hyde.

As headmaster at Berwick Academy in South Berwick, Me., in the early '60s, Gauld (who has degrees from Bowdoin College and Boston University) grew discouraged with what he saw as the "coddling" of students, and an overemphasis on grades. With $100,000 borrowed from family and friends, Gauld bought an old mansion on the Maine coast and set up a school devoted to developing self-confidence and self-discipline. Novel and untested, Hyde could not hope to attract outstanding students; thus Gauld started by accepting teen-agers with a history of mental illness or drug problems. The student body now includes less disturbed youngsters. However, all of them, Gauld says, "have problems." He feels such pupils have a greater capacity for growth than conventional, "successful" children.

Character Grades. Success at Hyde is measured largely by "character growth" rather than academic excellence. Students are given two sets of grades: one for performance in a traditional curriculum laden with remedial courses; the other, which is considered more important, for overcoming personal problems such as being shy or cowardly, as shown in survival tests the school has copied from Outward Bound. The grades in character development are hammered out in a kind of encounter group, where classmates and teachers urge a student to confess his strengths and weaknesses. In similar sessions, teachers are evaluated publicly by the students.

So, in a way, are parents. As one alumnus puts it, "A family, not a kid, comes to Hyde." Parents are required to make a strong commitment to Hyde's philosophy. They participate in two encounter weekend seminars annually, at which everyone criticizes everyone else. One father, for example, may say to another: "Mr. Smith, I have to agree with Bill. You do seem more concerned with your own image than anything else."

Loyal Alumni. For students, the emotional turmoil can be difficult to take. Says Margie Malone, 17: "Everyone wants to run away from here sometime." In fact, each year about 50 students do run away--and 20 never return. Gauld blames the dropout rate on the parents' failure to uphold their pledge to make runaways return to Hyde. Margie ran away, but returned because "my mother stuck by her commitment. It brought us closer together."

Gauld believes all schools could benefit from his methods. For a while he gave up his headmaster post to travel around the country lecturing about Hyde, and he is now writing a book about it. As part of its proselytizing effort, the school also put on a traveling Bicentennial road show called America's Spirit. Starring Hyde teachers and pupils, the show played in Broadway's Circle in the Square theater because the theater's director, Ted Mann, is a Hyde parent.

Despite its small enrollment, Hyde turns out exceptionally good athletic teams, and 95% of its graduates, according to Gauld, have gone on to college. Many are loyal alumni. Says Will Collins, 22, a student at Grinnell College in Iowa: "Hyde is a conservative school advocating not a return to traditional values but to excellence." Some parents credit the school with changing their own lives for the better, as well as "remarkably" improving their children.

But Hyde also has plenty of critics.

Asks J.B. Satterthwaite, retired head of the English department at Groton School in Groton, Mass.: "If a teen-ager is publicly humiliated, does this build his character? Does it build the character of other students who are encouraged to take part in such a show?" The school's first teacher, Ray Fisher, who quit because Gauld permitted no disagreement with his own hawkish views on Viet Nam, charges that Gauld "is completely obsessed. You find that the kids are in effect brainwashed." Doris Vladimiroff, director of HEW'S Upward Bound program in Maine, whose son went to a Hyde summer session, complains: "Gauld's techniques are nothing less than demoniacal."

Despite the large number of problem children, there are no psychologists on the school's staff, because Hyde teachers prefer to "use our gut feelings." When that approach fails, Gauld has referred students to Richard Evans, a psychiatrist in Brunswick, Me. Like many parents of Hyde students, Evans is willing to give the school the benefit of the doubt. Says he: "Frankly, I'm puzzled. But ordinary methods don't work with the kinds of kids going to Hyde. The school does make a real effort to reach these children. It is doing something no one else is willing to do."
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Ursus on April 18, 2007, 10:36:21 AM
By the way, I never heard of this psychiatrist, Richard Evans, nor heard of his services being employed.  And yet, I do believe that Hyde tried to pass off my later dissatisfaction with the place by implying that I was "crazy."  Yeah, right. :rofl:  :rofl:
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2007, 02:04:44 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Time to resurrect the old Time Magazine article, to shed some light on Joe Gauld's contempt for dissenting opinion, not to mention children in general!  I know this has been brought up and discussed before, but I'm not sure that anyone bothered to cut and paste it....  This originally appeared in the Monday, August 9th, 1976 issue.  I don't think much has changed about his attitude, ha!

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 95,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,914495,00.html)

School of Hard Knocks

"Andrew, do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" asked Teacher Jim Searles of the shy, withdrawn teen-ager who had come for an interview at the Hyde School in Bath, Me.  Andrew was close to tears, but Searles was only following the sock-it-to-'em pedagogic philosophy of his boss, Hyde Founder Joseph Gauld, 50. Faced with a rebellious applicant, Gauld once shouted, "Listen, I'm telling you either change your attitude around me or I will jam it down your throat."

Although annual fees for tuition, board and room add up to a hefty $4,700, life at the small (enrollment: 175) coed boarding school is almost as rigorous as that of a Marine boot camp. Many of the students are troubled, and short-tempered Gauld treats them like a drill instructor faced with a platoon of left-footed recruits. He occasionally slaps and routinely humiliates the kids--with their parents' tacit consent--in a no-holds-barred effort to toughen them up and build their characters. "The rod is only wrong in the wrong hands," Gauld likes to say. When he finds that a student has what he considers a "bad attitude," Gauld may order him to wear a sign saying I ACT LIKE A BABY, or tell him to dig a 6-ft. by 6-ft. trench and then fill it up. He has even conducted a public paddling ceremony at Hyde.

As headmaster at Berwick Academy in South Berwick, Me., in the early '60s, Gauld (who has degrees from Bowdoin College and Boston University) grew discouraged with what he saw as the "coddling" of students, and an overemphasis on grades. With $100,000 borrowed from family and friends, Gauld bought an old mansion on the Maine coast and set up a school devoted to developing self-confidence and self-discipline. Novel and untested, Hyde could not hope to attract outstanding students; thus Gauld started by accepting teen-agers with a history of mental illness or drug problems. The student body now includes less disturbed youngsters. However, all of them, Gauld says, "have problems." He feels such pupils have a greater capacity for growth than conventional, "successful" children.

Character Grades. Success at Hyde is measured largely by "character growth" rather than academic excellence. Students are given two sets of grades: one for performance in a traditional curriculum laden with remedial courses; the other, which is considered more important, for overcoming personal problems such as being shy or cowardly, as shown in survival tests the school has copied from Outward Bound. The grades in character development are hammered out in a kind of encounter group, where classmates and teachers urge a student to confess his strengths and weaknesses. In similar sessions, teachers are evaluated publicly by the students.

So, in a way, are parents. As one alumnus puts it, "A family, not a kid, comes to Hyde." Parents are required to make a strong commitment to Hyde's philosophy. They participate in two encounter weekend seminars annually, at which everyone criticizes everyone else. One father, for example, may say to another: "Mr. Smith, I have to agree with Bill. You do seem more concerned with your own image than anything else."

Loyal Alumni. For students, the emotional turmoil can be difficult to take. Says Margie Malone, 17: "Everyone wants to run away from here sometime." In fact, each year about 50 students do run away--and 20 never return. Gauld blames the dropout rate on the parents' failure to uphold their pledge to make runaways return to Hyde. Margie ran away, but returned because "my mother stuck by her commitment. It brought us closer together."

Gauld believes all schools could benefit from his methods. For a while he gave up his headmaster post to travel around the country lecturing about Hyde, and he is now writing a book about it. As part of its proselytizing effort, the school also put on a traveling Bicentennial road show called America's Spirit. Starring Hyde teachers and pupils, the show played in Broadway's Circle in the Square theater because the theater's director, Ted Mann, is a Hyde parent.

Despite its small enrollment, Hyde turns out exceptionally good athletic teams, and 95% of its graduates, according to Gauld, have gone on to college. Many are loyal alumni. Says Will Collins, 22, a student at Grinnell College in Iowa: "Hyde is a conservative school advocating not a return to traditional values but to excellence." Some parents credit the school with changing their own lives for the better, as well as "remarkably" improving their children.

But Hyde also has plenty of critics.

Asks J.B. Satterthwaite, retired head of the English department at Groton School in Groton, Mass.: "If a teen-ager is publicly humiliated, does this build his character? Does it build the character of other students who are encouraged to take part in such a show?" The school's first teacher, Ray Fisher, who quit because Gauld permitted no disagreement with his own hawkish views on Viet Nam, charges that Gauld "is completely obsessed. You find that the kids are in effect brainwashed." Doris Vladimiroff, director of HEW'S Upward Bound program in Maine, whose son went to a Hyde summer session, complains: "Gauld's techniques are nothing less than demoniacal."

Despite the large number of problem children, there are no psychologists on the school's staff, because Hyde teachers prefer to "use our gut feelings." When that approach fails, Gauld has referred students to Richard Evans, a psychiatrist in Brunswick, Me. Like many parents of Hyde students, Evans is willing to give the school the benefit of the doubt. Says he: "Frankly, I'm puzzled. But ordinary methods don't work with the kinds of kids going to Hyde. The school does make a real effort to reach these children. It is doing something no one else is willing to do."


Well, not much has changed at Hyde other than trying to curtail the physical abuse ie slapping or hitting kids.  The only reason they stopped that was because it is now illegal!  My opinion is that Joey G probably is very frustrated he cannot still hit these kids.

I am glad you posted this old article.  It is shocking, yet validating to what I experienced.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Ursus on April 18, 2007, 02:26:58 PM
Hopefully the tennis balls and carpet material will suffice to satisfy his longings.  If not, I've got some lignacious material that needs shredding before being added to the compost pile...
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Jesus H Christ on April 19, 2007, 11:24:56 AM
Jim Searles ... What is he doing now?  Did he leave with Joe or get kicked out when he came back?
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Ursus on April 19, 2007, 01:21:06 PM
Quote from: ""JoeSoulBro""
Jim Searles ... What is he doing now?  Did he leave with Joe or get kicked out when he came back?


Not a clue; however, there is a James W. and Claudia F. Searles listed as residing in Bath, Maine.  Perhaps they are still involved with the school.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Jesus H Christ on April 19, 2007, 03:23:59 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""JoeSoulBro""
Jim Searles ... What is he doing now?  Did he leave with Joe or get kicked out when he came back?

Not a clue; however, there is a James W. and Claudia F. Searles listed as residing in Bath, Maine.  Perhaps they are still involved with the school.



  That is highly unlikely.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Ursus on April 19, 2007, 03:30:17 PM
Well... I wouldn't really know, and you must know them considerably better.  They always struck me as "good sorts," not of the more rabid proselytizing ilk.  The address is not 616 High Street, for what it's worth.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Jesus H Christ on April 19, 2007, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Well... I wouldn't really know, and you must know them considerably better.  They always struck me as "good sorts," not of the more rabid proselytizing ilk.  The address is not 616 High Street, for what it's worth.


  Everyone who was not related to a Gauld by blood or marriage is gone from those days.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Ursus on April 19, 2007, 04:38:07 PM
Quote from: ""JoeSoulBro""
Everyone who was not related to a Gauld by blood or marriage is gone from those days.


A most telling statement, eh?
Title: Re: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2007, 09:18:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Hyde is making its own bed.  Everyone knows that a significant portion of Hyde's student body is troubled.  Hyde's own materials acknowledge that.  Hyde's narrow-mindedness and arrogance are now biting them where it hurts, in the admissions department.  Because of Fornits, word about Hyde's noteworthy and glaring shortcomings is now spreading far and wide.  Hyde is getting what it has deserved for a very long time.

I am less sanguine than you about the effect Fornits is having on Hyde's ultimate, long-term survival.

Mike


"More than 80,000 people die each year from coronary heart diseases caused by smoking."
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter. ... ifier=4549 (http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4549)

It says that cigarettes will kill you right in the pack.  

What is a web site going to do to parents who send their kids to Hyde.  Remember, they are sending their kids to Hyde in part because they are, in some cases, bad parents, so they are already self selected.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2007, 03:53:58 PM
Speaking of blood and marriage, whatever happened to all the other siblings of Laura and Claire?  Weren't there like one or two more at Hyde?
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2007, 05:42:09 PM
Beth is married with kids nothing to do with Hyde and Debbie Jones is in TX with no ties.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2007, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Beth is married with kids nothing to do with Hyde and Debbie Jones is in TX with no ties.


 Beth is still beautiful.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Ursus on April 23, 2007, 08:03:41 PM
I remember Debbie... did she stay very long?  For some reason I have a recollection of Hyde not influencing her overly much, but I could be wrong.

Beth I can but barely recollect.  I remember her having very long hair and a very nice smile.

Four kids is a lot of tuition!
Title: Re: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2007, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
What we now know about Hyde, and this is indisputable, is that the school has a history of accepting quite a few deeply troubled students.  Some of these students walk through Hyde's "hallowed" front door with histories of substance abuse, defiant behavior, legal troubles, and very complicated emotional and mental illness issues.

So, what does Hyde do?  Hyde foists upon them lectures about character, as if Hyde's superficial, glib and formulaic preachings are going to get at the root of that kind of complex set of challenges.  Joe Gauld and his minions know how to cure all these ills.

Give me a break.  Hyde takes in these students and doesn't have one iota of bona fide mental health services on its campus.  This is a recipe for disaster, and Hyde has had plenty of them.  What Virginia Tech has taught us, yet again, is that academic institutions, Hyde included, need to have sophisticated protocols in place.  Virginia Tech, at least, has a genuine student mental health center, the way any legitimate, professionally run school would.  (There's only so much a school can do to prevent what happened at Virginia Tech.)  Hyde, on the other hand, takes in a very high-risk population (unlike Virginia Tech) and has NO THERAPISTS ON STAFF.  Is that bizarre, or what?  

What will it take for Hyde to learn? Parents, is this the environment you want your child in?

I don't find it bizarre that Hyde has no therapists on staff. As has been pointed out elsewhere, if therapists are under oath to report psychologically harmful practices by their employers, then it is not in Hyde's best interests to hire them. This forum is a testimonial to Hyde's psychologically harmful practices. Hyde would have to renounce its seminar- and brother's keeper-oriented approach in order to hire therapists. Given the personalities involved, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Mike

I think you're right, Mike.  Hyde is not likely to admit that many of its students need serious mental health counseling.  And no professional mental health therapist would last at Hyde; they'd be caught in a horrible double bind, given the emotional abuse and negligence at Hyde.

So . . . Hyde is making its own bed.  Everyone knows that a significant portion of Hyde's student body is troubled.  Hyde's own materials acknowledge that.  Hyde's narrow-mindedness and arrogance are now biting them where it hurts, in the admissions department.  Because of Fornits, word about Hyde's noteworthy and glaring shortcomings is now spreading far and wide.  Hyde is getting what it has deserved for a very long time.


The horribly sad, tragic event at Virginia Tech has alerted the world to the raw violence that can erupt when troubled students are in schools that, for whatever reason, aren't able to meet their emotional and psychiatric needs.  This kind of thing can happen anywhere, of course.

Virginia Tech is an institution that serves mostly "normal" students.  In contrast, Hyde serves an incredibly large number of troubled students.  The grand irony is that Hyde doesn't have a sophisticated cadre of professionals who are trained to deal with troubled students.  As a result, every year Hyde has its share of students who completely melt down, run away, use drugs, get tossed out, etc.  You'd think that Hyde would get with the program and hire staff who know what the hell they're doing with troubled students.  Instead, Hyde persists in its naive belief that the Gauld mantra --  attitude, attitude, attitude . . . -- will be sufficient with a population of students who have an amazing array of emotional disturbances.  No wonder Hyde produces horror stories every year.  Until recently, these horror stories were kept fairly quiet.  Now, the Internet is bringing them to light.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Ursus on April 23, 2007, 09:50:09 PM
I was on a website recently, the result of some search; I didn't find what I was looking for so I can't even remember why I was there...  It was some kind of  reunion-facilitating site for Maine high schools.  One of those heavily advertisement-laden numbers.  

I clicked on Hyde... just the address, contact phone number for the school plus website link showed in the relevant box.  The rest of the page was covered with ads for military schools, troubled teen sites, other "therapeutic boarding schools," hotlines, etc.  

I checked out a few of the other schools, both public as well as private.  The advertisements for these schools were for "find your old friends" type of sites, etc.  Nothing at all like Hyde's.  Curious.
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2007, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
I was on a website recently, the result of some search; I didn't find what I was looking for so I can't even remember why I was there...  It was some kind of  reunion-facilitating site for Maine high schools.  One of those heavily advertisement-laden numbers.  

I clicked on Hyde... just the address, contact phone number for the school plus website link showed in the relevant box.  The rest of the page was covered with ads for military schools, troubled teen sites, other "therapeutic boarding schools," hotlines, etc.  

I checked out a few of the other schools, both public as well as private.  The advertisements for these schools were for "find your old friends" type of sites, etc.  Nothing at all like Hyde's.  Curious.


I have said all along that Hyde needs to figure out who they want to be and then stick to it and advertise accordingly.  On one hand they want troubled kids to enroll, and on the other hand they are saying they are a prep school with character education therefore accepting kids who are basically good kids but might need a little motivation.  These "good kids" are then exposed to some pretty rough characters! This is dishonesty at it's best Hyde!!  You are trying to rake in the dough without any regard to the kids whose lives you damage!
Title: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Ursus on April 23, 2007, 11:21:03 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I have said all along that Hyde needs to figure out who they want to be and then stick to it and advertise accordingly. On one hand they want troubled kids to enroll, and on the other hand they are saying they are a prep school with character education therefore accepting kids who are basically good kids but might need a little motivation.


I hate to say it, but I think they really do want it that way.  Either population, by itself, is not going to make the kind of community they want.  Each has something to offer the other, and the mix is potentially more than the sum.

Kind of like what Charles Dederich was trying to do with Synanon.  He started out in AA, ran into some authority and methodology issues there, so struck out on his own, taking in drug addicts as well as alcoholics.  By and by he also started taking in "Straight Gamers," i.e., folks with no history of alcohol or drug problems but who were attracted to the idealism of the community.  The mix made for the incredibly vibrant and creative community Synanon was in its heyday.

It didn't last.  It depended too much on the vision and charisma of a sole person, a fallible human, as are we all.  Control issues developed, and core values were compromised, ultimately taking down the whole shebang.
Title: Re: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2008, 01:27:36 AM
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Despite the large number of problem children, there are no psychologists on the school's staff, because Hyde teachers prefer to "use our gut feelings." When that approach fails, Gauld has referred students to Richard Evans, a psychiatrist in Brunswick, Me. Like many parents of Hyde students, Evans is willing to give the school the benefit of the doubt. Says he: "Frankly, I'm puzzled. But ordinary methods don't work with the kinds of kids going to Hyde. The school does make a real effort to reach these children. It is doing something no one else is willing to do."

So, this from that old Time article. Did anybody ever SEE this guy? He was a friggen TRUSTEE for crying out loud. "The kinds of kids" - what kinds of kids? Most of the kids were pretty NORMAL if you ask me (maybe some badasses sure).
Title: Re: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2008, 10:41:02 PM
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Despite the large number of problem children, there are no psychologists on the school's staff, because Hyde teachers prefer to "use our gut feelings." When that approach fails, Gauld has referred students to Richard Evans, a psychiatrist in Brunswick, Me. Like many parents of Hyde students, Evans is willing to give the school the benefit of the doubt. Says he: "Frankly, I'm puzzled. But ordinary methods don't work with the kinds of kids going to Hyde. The school does make a real effort to reach these children. It is doing something no one else is willing to do."

So, this from that old Time article. Did anybody ever SEE this guy? He was a friggen TRUSTEE for crying out loud. "The kinds of kids" - what kinds of kids? Most of the kids were pretty NORMAL if you ask me (maybe some badasses sure).

Which came 1st? Being a trustee, or being the invisible psychiatrist?